@@mon94key probably. Sending it to tech youtubers is much better than just sending them to the landfill and we can look at non standard hardware. The radeon W cards look actually really good. I wish gaming gpu manufacturers did something similar instead of the gamer rgb designs
@@zekiz774 Guess how much non-fullscreen HDR content they show. I've been deep diving on Linux HDR support recently and the code on Chromecast (whether it is Linux or not) will not be relevant to supporting HDR on a Linux Desktop.
@@MustacheMerlin I agree mostly, however, for the use case of game streaming, ie steam play, would be useful. Also a step in the right direction. undoubtedly, stadia engineers will have solved issues at some levels of the HDR stack.
@@TonyMurray I would love to be able to run 1 app full screen in HDR. I don’t think that the stadia code could even do that, but it a piece of the puzzle.
Right? There’s no way this kind of technology could ever fail, especially not because google never promoted it properly or anything! Everybody is just going to see one, maybe two ads ever for it and instantly be sold on the product!
Gonna sit on a shelf until the end times. Right next to google glass. Shame google was so fucking stupid. The most likely to be able to succeed due to sheer amount of existing infrastructure, and they squander it by making it so you have to already own the games. Mind you, I don't think there's much of a future for cloud gaming at this point. It'll end up in history as an in between moment, like HD CRTs. We're already seeing companies invest money into putting power into a portable format, like the steam deck. Companies like logitech and razer seem keen to follow that idea (also set by Aya and ultimately switch), but they are getting it wrong. No one wants to pay hundreds of dollars for a replacement for their android phone when, for the same price, you can get an android phone that can do the same thing. Eventually, though, other companies will jump into this space and one of them will realize that people want portable PCs, not portable phone gaming systems. Valve has even paved the way by allowing literally anyone to use steam OS free. You could go make your own home made portable hackjob and put steam OS, instantly giving it a free OS with maximum compatibility. I wouldn't be surprised to see google step into this space. Cloud gaming is cool in theory. Hell, I use my steam deck while at home to play games on my pc but from elsewhere. It's light on the battery. But in the long run, it's just not here yet. The stability over the internet isn't really there.
@@_Livid_ And it's definitely not the kind of hardware that I got for free in late 2020 by signing up for the free trial of its premium service, only to cancel it the day the hardware arrived and then flip it for $50 to some poor bastard on eBay. I would only do that to a product that was terminally ill at launch. But this thing? This thing has promise.
@@TurtleSauceGaming the reason a lot of solutions use ARM SoC's is because x86_64 devices are bulky. They require a lot of power, they produce a lot of heat, and they don't have a proper standby mode. All this makes them unideal for portable devices. Qualcomm has amped up arm SoC's like the SQ3, but companies aren't really using them. So far really only in VR.
I'm sad this is dead. With health issues, I spend a lot of time in hospitals and doctors' offices. Stadia got me through a lot of long nights in the hospital. Even on public hospital wifi, it always ran great and I played a ton of Destiny, Doom, and Dirt. It just worked so well. Also, I can't afford a Steam Deck so $10 a month was awesome. I'm going to miss Stadia.
I'm a game developer and this video was really accurate on the process of making games! As well as being super fascinating as I haven't dealt with anything Stadia related but it sounds like a nightmare to use...
Destiny 2 developers said that Stadia was their favourite platform to develop games on, but they did not have local test device, they connected directly with Stadia servers and tested on cloud.
LTT should have a tech museum. You have so many passionate employees who have experience with past tech and likely have old tech laying around. Gaming, computers, niche products, etc. it seems like a business/project that could be successful.
@@AlexusMaximusDE making both insult about someone look and talking "objective" things without stating reason, are you speedrunning youttube in "toxic comment" category?
The (Front) IO as part of the board makes the motherboard very hard to replace. This is why he calls it stupid. You can't move the PCs guts if you ever want to upgrade it to a standard case size and it also make it impossible to replace the motherboard with a standard size one as they also tend to use proprietary PSU connectors and non standard PSU units so repairability becomes a nightmare just a scant 2 years after release. Lenovo is probably not as bad with parts support longer term than HP and Acer in this regard but they definitely don't keep around enough spares for every non standard part they use so it becomes very scarce and EXPENSIVE despite the parts themselves not being high performance. This might not pose much of a problem for wealthy users but businesses tend to want to keep production hardware around longer than that since changing hardware without long term validation tends to break compatibility with the other stuff they use on their workflows.
I really appreciate this call out for sure, it's so frustrating, especially because they mentioned they'd update the controller with that feature on it's specs.
The Stadia Controller is actually one of my favorite controllers. Here's hoping they do the good thing and let us use it as a regular Bluetooth controller! I have 4 of them that I'd love to keep using.
I’m a technician for a certain company with popular tech products and I serviced a guy’s phone who personally worked on the Stadia team. He told me everyone who worked on the team internally knew it wasn’t gonna last about 6 months into working on the project
Well, in their defense, if I ever had my hands on some rare tech, I'd want to send it to Linus Media Group because I know they'd do the best job documenting it for all to see.
I honestly feel so bad for all the developers and engineers working on some of Google's projects. All that passion and love to create something, just for it to get chopped 3 years later.
google only pays devs for the duration that they work on the project, so they can afford to drop stuff whenever since they're only paying maintenance at that point
I remember a couple years ago there was a deal where you got a stadia controller and a Chromecast and the deal was like 80% off, so the whole combo was like 25 dollars. Didn't really care about the Chromecast but was looking for a controller that wasn't terrible and not 80 dollars. So I bought 4 and still have them to this day using them with emulation and steam games. Fantastic controller for 25 dollars, decent for it's normal price. And PLEASE Google, release the firmware or apply a patch so I can use the Bluetooth capabilities. I don't mind plugging them in but it would be so nice to just use them wherever.
Even before that there was a deal in 2020 for every YT-Premium User to get like 1 month of stadia, a chromecast ultra and a controller for free. Man was i sad that i got my YT-Premium a freaking day to late to apply to that offer.
The buile quality on the controller was the only thing that felt well done. And it was really, really well done. I've got big hands and that thing fits great and feesl really sturdy. Too bad their software sucked so bad that it was a chore to get it synched up.
I can't say anything bad about Stadia really. I was a founder, have great internet, and enjoyed my experiences with it. Sad that it never really caught on or saw its full potential. Crazy, but amazing, that they're providing full refunds (HW + Games) and are super consumer friendly as to the closure. I've already received my refunds on everything, and now have free controllers and Chromecasts to boot. Love it or hate it, they really didn't burn anyone in the end - just a no harm no foul experiment.
Ya, despite all the memes, I loved stadia. It worked extremely well and no one else came close to it functionally and in terms of user friendliness. Happy to have my refunds but I wish it had kept going.
@@ceritops I played cyberpunk back when that came out on stadia. It was bug-free compared to the console versions and didn't force me, as a high school student without an income and during covid, to get an xbox or playstation. only $60, and that included the controller and a chromecast too.
As fast as I've seen, it ran well and was generally a smooth user experience. My only real gripe (besides Google's love of killing products) was that you were forced to buy your games again or accept your library is locked to Stadia forever, whereas GeForce Now would let you play most of your Steam library no extra cost required (assuming they bothered to include the game you wanted). That made it a big no go for me but I can see how people without existing libraries wouldn't mind. Good that they properly refunded purchases, that was a decent move by tech corpo standards even if they seem intent on denying the controllers any Bluetooth usage
Dude! I didn’t know Stadia had started refunding yet. Those refunds just hit my account this week and helped save me from the loss of a client shorting me for work. Stadia just saved Christmas!!!! Thanks LTT for the heads up. 👍
I figured it was going to die the second it came out but lasted longer than I thought it was. It just kind of felt like the equivalent of Google's attempt at getting into social media with google+ to me
It's honestly sad because as someone who use Stadia it was very good service, worked very well. Their technology (despite the memes) was really cutting edge in comparison to other streaming services and it felt good to launch a triple A title from my shitty notebook with a decent quality and no noticeable latency.
Very interesting video! I never wondered how they would develop those games, but it gives some perspective how this tech is/was working. As a former Stadia Pro subscriber (I still would be if they hadn't canceled this), I absolutely loved the Stadia experience till the end. Only very very rarely it got laggy and even then I could play it through with some potato resolution, but it was still very much playable. Oh and that nice customer support is totally true, 6/5 experience for me (even without the refunding all of the purchased games). What I noticed though, is that in this last year there was less and less new AAA or "mainstream" games in the Stadia Store. But what it was worth, I really was enjoying my time (and still do) and it is so sad to see Stadia to be killed.
I'm in the same boat as you, granted I never REALLY got it working on phone, but the PC experience was great. We even got 2 cotrollers and was sharing on the family plan. Lag was an issue, but I've played full on Destiny 2 battle royal without noticing any lag.
My friend was working on the development of a game that was going to be released for Stadia, and I must say, it was not bad. Did not take that long to send our builds and our game is massive. Test today a build for pc, works good, send it to stadia tomorrow and run basic startup checks. That way you reduce the incidence of big crashes that would require rebooting it. Now what he said is: "Google shut down this crap and did not even announce it to us. We found out that it was cancelled because someone twitted. Not even our Stadia point of contact was aware when our producer called them." I don't understand why they had to shut it down like this
For some reason, this brings me back to the days when I was developing Sinclair Spectrum games downloaded from a Tatung Eintstein (another Zilog Z80 machine), which was a just a wooden box because it was the 14th prototype to be made.
Google refunding everything for everyone was a gigachad move. I stopped making fun of Stadia when they did that, and I enjoyed making fun of Stadia a whole lot.
Gamers nexus bought a stadia dev kit from japan off ebay, they just installed Windows on it, the gpu accepts vega 56 drivers. They also do a complete tear down. Interesting video that focuses more on the hardware
If you really want to get that graphics card working, since it is an AMD card, I would heavily recommend that you try Linux because Linux has all the amd drivers baked into the Linux kernel. And if you do something like lspci, you can tell what Linux registers it as and you can figure out how much system resources are actually on the card using Linux however you cannot do so in Windows because no drivers exist. Not to mention if the stadium controllers show up over Bluetooth in the first place Linux can connect to it.
Stadia really helped us during the lockdown. It was a great way to have our builds tested by QA without them needing access to any dev hardware. It's definitely isn't the smoothest development experience, but it has just enough benefits during remote work that maintaining a Stadia port was absolutely worth it. I have no idea what sort of income the studio made on the Stadia versions, and whether it would have made financial sense to do this if we were still working from the office, but I would have liked to have access to it for future projects just for the convenience if working remotely. So I'm a little bummed that this option is going away.
Google Play Music's music discovery algorithms were leagues ahead of what Spotify has to offer today imho. Unfortunately it meant that often it gave me suggestions for music from small independent creators and not big studios so I can see why no one is trying to create anything like that again
I love how Linus has the Bandaid on his thumb from when he cut it in the lasts video. Such amazing attention to detail and great lore for those of us who watch every episode.
"Attention to detail" he didn't have the bandaid on to preserve the LTT canon or whatever, lmfao, the cut probably hadn't fully healed between recordings.
As an IT worker, it really sounds as if Stadia wasn't meant to be shutdown. I mean, WHO would approve inviting a business partner a day before the cancellation anouncement? Really looks like the higher-up decided to shutdown Stadia in an hurry, probably to save some personal privilege like a bonus on no-loses on a budget or something.
8:26 considering I have my xbox on the energy saving power mode, I pretty much power cycle the thing every time I use it so it happens fairly often. Last time I played it was two days ago so that was the last time it was power cycled!
I used Play Music for YEARS, uploading CD rips to it as part of an archive, and even buying music through it because I loved the interface (other than the lack of dark mode). I lost all my original CD rips just before they annouced the closing and I didn't have any access to full quality, just MP3 versions... I switched to Bandcamp for buying new music since and keep everything locally stored from now on (other than backups)
I love my Stadia controller, I’m kinda glad to have one as a souvenir of this weird little chapter in gaming history lol. Hopefully they make it more PC compatible!!
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz no, only wired works. And even then it’s not XInput (or something), so it doesn’t work with a lot of games (luckily Steam supports it so that works easily)
I love Stadia. As a gamer whose let his interest lapse and cant really financially keep up with hardware, it was a godsend. If you're used to consoles it was flawless with a decent internet connection. It let me play games I was super interested in that I couldnt have without it. Short of shutting down, I think Google has handled this super well. Ive gotten almost every dollar Ive spent on the service refunded, which is awesome. Looking for an alternative, I went to GeForce Now, and it just made me miss Stadia even more.
just wanna say I appreciate you blurring not only the board but even small parts like the RAM -- anyone who never worked with system building or PC parts would be surprised what gets logged into inventory
I basically used Stadia to get a free Chromecast when they were offloading those alongside the controllers for free to RU-vid Premium subscribers. Played a bit on it, liked Gylt, but just dropped it. The controller is decent, I hope it gets Bluetooth support! It'd be nice to use on my PC or with my 8bitdo adapter on Switch, given that my DS4 is dying.
I am so glad you did this. Google sent me a free Stadia controller and a membership. I travel a lot so it was nice, ended up playing a bunch of DOOM on hotel Wi-Fi. To be honest, I am sad to see it go, though I understand why; it didn't take off. I was always curious how it worked though. Only 2 minutes in but I am happy I will learn today! Thanks LTT!
Turns out - Google created a "Switch To Bluetooth" option which is now available on the original Stadia website. That's actually how I came across this video :P
It's amazing to hold and the vibration is really good, incredibly responsive too (to compensate for any streaming lag.) I have 4 and I hope they get that bluetooth opened up at some point!
One interesting thing about Stadia is that a lot of games were built on Vulkan for it while some games that also shipped on Steam were using DirectX instead like Cyberpunk
@@RemziCavdar Might make sense if they're porting it to the Xbox as well. That uses DirectX and a Windows-like OS. They probably figured they might as well reuse their Xbox code for the Windows version.
I've definitely seen a lot of anger from a few developers who had been developing Stadia games for early 2023 release which obviously won't be happening.
I used stadia since launch and was gutted to see it go. It just worked for me and made so much sense. I was gutted that after Sekiro it never got Elden Ring. Based on playing Elden Ring on the PS4 and the load times I bet loads of people would have given it a shot on Stadia if it had the equivalent PS5 load times
@@Gatorade69 Steve did reply to a comment about that. Hopefully GN gets to take apart a server one day. Maybe even do a video about converting hot swap to wires.
@@DoctorWhom Yeah I like Steve and he can be nitpicky which can be both a good and bad thing. He obviously has a consumer mindset, which I do too but I think power supplies like that are awesome. Just swap them out, no wires. I hate wires.
I've worked on a AAA game that was ported to Stadia (with 24 years of game dev experience in total) - Nope, most tests are done on desktop PCs locally for both PC and console dev. Testers usually have Visual Studio installed with the code in it so it is possible to debug on their PCs for hard to repro issues (this is not that common anymore interestingly) - Nope, most devs don't have devkits at all. In general only render engineers need them and only those who work on the console version. GPPs (Gameplay programmers), Designers, Audio, Art and most of QC&QA don't have them. We develop games on PCs. I started my career on PS1 and Dreamcast and back then we needed more devkits but it is much easier today as current consoles are practically PCs with custom OS - The stadia build time is not an issue unless you develop games specifically for Stadia and in that case it is still doable - The 64GB RAM is actually not much. I have 128 in my work PC as AAA games loaded in editor + game mode alone can easily eat 40-50 GB RAM while in development - Any seasoned developer knew that the business model was DOA and the only thing that kept developers in was the money we got from Google
Can we all take a minute to appreciate that sponsors and intros are at 10s intervals in order to skip through without losing the material we came to watch?
I think the writing on the wall was there as soon as Google announced Stadia. That’s the Google way, go all in, don’t get the results they wanted, and kill it. However, as a casual gamer, I enjoyed Stadia greatly. I’ve simply moved over to Xbox cloud gaming.
I've been collecting odd input devices for over a decade now, and my collection is starting to read like a great tech idea graveyard. I have a Stadia controller, two Steam controllers (along with two Steam Links), and a Space Navigator... Still need to get my hands on a Novint Falcon though.
The Novint Falcon has to have been one of the strangest input devices out there, and that's saying a lot. I actually have and regularly use a Steam Link. I use it stream my 3rd floor gaming PC to my basement rec room. Not so much for gaming, although it's great for it (if you can live with 1080p) but for video streaming and desktop use.
Most google products are made to exist, not succeed. The way google promotes people up the corporate ladder is based on how many projects they've started, not how many succeeded. So there are a bunch of poorly planned projects shoved out the door that are then almost immediately abandoned.
I really have to disagree - cloud gaming has fundamental problems that can't be overcome so easily. The latency hurdles are utterly insurmountable unless you want to put full-on data centers literally everywhere. Not just geographically, but also as far as the network topology is concerned. Not even Google has enough money for that. These are laws-of-physics type limits, at the end of the day. And ultimately with devices like the Steam Deck there's only so much of a value proposition cloud gaming can offer.
@@PhysicsGamer see, you do have a point here, yet it is limited to currently active technology. Stadia is a showcase to basically a far greater accessibility for the best gaming experience without the actual cost of a high tier system and such. Tech like stadia creates reason for pursuing better connectivity tech. Can you honestly not see the application of such a tech in the certain future ?
As someone who loved stadia and spent a ton on there props to Google for giving full refunds completely on all purchases. No other game gives you your money back when the servers are turned off years later.
I bought Doom 2016 on stadia back in Jan or Feb last year, and had such a wonderful experience playing it (at 1080p) on my CCU-enabled 4k TV that I paid for Stadia Pro just to experience that game in 4k. Then earlier this year I bought Doom eternal and had a similar experience. Stadia got a lot of stick, and deservedly so in some cases, but the tech behind it was so fantastic that it's a shame devs had to deal with so much behind the scenes.
Thank you for advocating for the controller users. Open it up and let us at least use it as a bluetooth controller. It already has bluetooth. The right move is to save these controllers from the dump and look like heros to the people.
RU-vid Music is finally to the point where it's at least useable for me. Google Play Music is still better solely for the "I'm feeling lucky" radio feature, but RU-vid Music has finally come closer with all the "Made for You" selections that don't just play the same 10 songs over and over again. They're closer to 30 songs, so they still need to work on constantly randomizing an "infinite" length playlist instead of a set number.
It's fascinating how much control companies exert on these Dev kits even once they shut down the service. Also, did anyone else notice this video seemed more shaky then usual? I was staring at the background for some reason and was captivated by the door frame moving up and down.
Stadia was cursed, and by having a dev kit you have now inherited the curse Just waiting on the documentary: "How Linus dropped a battery and LTT burned to the ground. They forgot to pay their insurance and got forced into bankruptcy"
Stadia was fucking epic. If Google had put any effort in to it it could have been a real competitor. No other game streaming service has come close to the stream consistency.
@@fartmachine5000 i don't see them making any of the already on going series Xbox exclusive. Probably get stuff early but will more than likely it will still be full cross plat.
@@haelkerzael7589 GeForce Now never worked as good as stadia did for me. It pretty much depends on where you are in the world. Stadia had the advantage with their infrastructure. But well, if you don't advertise your product, like, at all, it's nor surprise it doesn't pick up
@@haelkerzael7589 stadia refunded every single game dlc and hardware purchase. So i could have repurchased all the games again. In fact i did use it to buy cyberpunk on PC. That whole you'll just lose your games shit was entirely the trolls hating stadia for no reason.
Steve was confused by the idea of a workstation that is easy to repair in the field. Let's see if Linus is as critical. Edit: nope. He's seen them. He has that gpu out faster than Steve could sneeze.
It's hard to be upset about an outcome you knew was going to happen from the moment something was announced. Everyone was just waiting for the day that Google officially announced they were killing it. Only surprise is how long they tried to hold on to it.
The stadia shutdown really sucks. I understand all the crique behind it, but out of all cloud gaming services (geforce, game pass, etc. (shadow is pretty much the only acception)), stadia is the only one that I could play with and genuilely couldn't tell the diffrence. Plus being able to simply hit a couple of buttons on the controller and have desinty booted up on my chromecast was a plus!
Try this card With Linux as the open drivers use to support all Radeon Pro cards so unless this has a totally custom firmware to block this it should work
Since hardware wise it's just an x86 server, I wonder if Google has any locks in the BIOS that would prevent you from just plugging in a USB stick and installing your own OS on it for benchmarking. Could be an interesting video. Alternatively booting up a live Linux ISO and reverse engineering it from the filesystem could also be fun. All that assumes that it can USB boot at all
lol ok I love that advert at the end "the wittle fwash light" haha. it's honestly the only time & reason I'd watch and in-vid advert all the way through, cus of some funny mini-skit 😂🤣
The landfill problem is actually quite serious if you consider the amount of controllers that are just going to sit there never being used then thrown out..