Love how the unprocessed kit sounds so good. And processing doesn't unnaturally change the sound characteristics but just enhances it totally to another level.
I do the detuning one lug thing to all of my shells from the snare to the base drum and it still surprises me at just how much you can get out of it. Gets rid of any annoying overtones and ringing, gives it a really punchy and warm tone that cuts through the mix well and is really quick. I also like that it gives the head some rebound which benefits my playing and it lowers the volume a bit where you still hear it clearly, but you don't have to use any moon gel, tape or whatever. I spent many years trying different things, different head combinations, watching hours worth of tuning tips, using stuff like a tension measuring gadgets and more, and still could never quite get my toms to sound the way I wished, there was always something. The detuning one log thing got rid of all of that and saves you a ton of time.
Got a couple questions: 1. How much do you detune the 1 lug? All the way back to finger tight? Pls define 2. Do you tune the head a little higher than usual so that it comes back to a good pitch when you detune?
I am not one who flows others on how to turn your drums, that is because< I feel turning your drums is a personal preference. As a drummer of 62 years, I played Ludwig drums most of my life. In August of 2021, I went and bought myself a DW Collector's Series in Blue Oyster Pale. It is a 8 piece drum set. It came with stocked heads and within a week of playing the drums, I went and re-headed all the drums with Evens Heads and kept, the bottom heads with the stock head, which are what the drum set came with. I love the sound that I get from my tuning. I love low, deep toms and my two floor toms are turned low and deep. It is only my advice...changing the heads on your drum set gives you freedom of a wide arrange of drum Turing.
Probably, one of the "Top 5" best sounding toms I've heard. Great model to how good toms can sound at the deep levels while still projecting excellent tonality -- A sound that I would imitate for sure...good job bro!
I’ve come across a video and learnd to finger right quarter turn all the way around the loaen one lug all the way down and then finger tight the one you loosened it takes a lot of the ring out and gives that punchy sound!
I've always liked this method for live sound, Tony Williams used to do the same thing. Finger tight and quarter turn. Great video, just now found this channel, very cool.
I love that sound. I bought a kit three years ago after not playing for 35 years. Put Evans coated G2 on them and they sound great like yours do. I love that warm sound from the coated heads. Now if I can ever get as good as I once was. Lol
Even without processing your toms sound amazing! My toms sound horrible raw. I had to spend countless hours heavily processing mine to get them to sound decent.
12 inch toms are tough! They're usually hard to tune away the ringing from the bass drum, but try to put some cotton inside the drum and tune the bottom head a bit tighter than the top head!
@@ThatSwedishDrummer thanks a lot my friend,had practice every day with my drum lessons with my teacher and with your videos ,keep doing this excellent work ,with your videos i loved more the drums ,practice ,practice and practice,and you give some great ideas to make my drumming play better for my new recording songs for my band
I kind of stumbled on that too. I tune up slightly higher batter, for feel, and JAW on all resos, then one lug, until I hit that punch and low end. Why does that work? I have no idea. But it just does. And a real time saver too.
Sounds good, the floor toms sound completely dead. I don't know if that's what you were going for. I like my floor toms to ring out like the rack toms. They sound like you have towels over the head to me, all punch and attack, no tone. Check out Bob Gatzen video on drum tuning. It's about 1:30:00 but he has the best tuning advice i've ever heard. Specially, hitting the tom and detuning and re-tuning within that one hit. That way you can even out all the lugs. Normally going over the heads like that when it sounds funky, you'll hit that one lug that clears everything up. Best drum tuning video i've ever seen. Bob Gatzen
Thanks you! I've seen Bob Gatzen's videos, and met him in person too. It's a very good tuning video, BUT; it doesn't apply to all types of drums, depending on shell thickness, wood type and of course it depends on what sound you're after. Especially for my floor toms, I'm going for more of a "Benny Greb" type of sound. They still have tone, but I'm utilizing the absolute bottom end of the floor toms so they kind of resemble a more tonal bass drum. For my drumming style and sound, ringing toms wouldn't go in my favor ;) Thanks again!! 👍
I would pay this guy to come tune my drums. Sonor SQ2 Maple Medium shells square sized toms and floor toms 8, 10, 12, 14, 16. Remo Clear Emperor batter side, and stock Sonor clear medium ( equivalent to Remo Ambassador ) on the reso side.
Thank you! Yeah it's a great technique. I think I first heard Benny Greb doing it, and it works awesomely! It totally depends on size of your drum, but in my 14" I put about 6 cotton balls and about 7-8 in my 16"! :D
Great job and yes those toms sound really warm and 🤛🏿 punchy too!!!! Question 🙋🏽♂️…. What kind of microphones are you using for the Toms! Thanks 🙏!!!!😊
Those toms sound really good!! Should check out Rob Brown's tom tuning videos. You can quickly and easily get any tom sounding good with his tuning method!
Thanks buddy! Yeah I've seen Rob's video before and I've used that technique before too! It's usually a good starting point to get the wrinkles out and then fine tune the drum relative to the pitch :) I use more of a Gavin Harrison method, where after tuning it evenly, I press down a finger to eliminate disturbing frequencies to hear every lugs pitch! 💪
Man, I like it! Going for similar sound with hydraulic heads on a Vintage Slingerland kit I've got coming to me this week. Btw, did you keep this tone change as your go-to?
Nice! Kind of, yeah. I mean, I fine tune and change the tuning sometimes to fit certain music I'm playing for. And if I find a tuning that works well in my studio, I'll keep it like that for a while. Next time I change heads, I'll use different heads so the sound will be a bit different as well.
Awesome playing, I hear a lot of Gavin influences which is very nice. Toms sound great, they all sound the same which is hard. Most often there is one tom you can't get to sound as good as the rest. The 12" one usually for some reason. Är du från sverige?
Carl, Whoa Baby. That's The Sound that Evades me. I'm tuning my Toms like a OCD patient!! I can't get to THIS sound on my PDP Concept maple kit. Using G2s Coated batter heads and Clear Remos (came with the kit ). Sounds like a Piccolo Snare?
Hey fenrir! You should check the channel "Sounds like A drum". They teach a lot about tunning and how to find your sound. I think its impossible to not learn from them. this is not an AD LOL
What are your thoughts on making the toms louder, so they don't get overwhelmed by the snare? Or just lower the volume on the snare so the rest of the drums don't get lost? I always hear drum levels being set and they seem to sound OK. But once the whole band is playing, the snare sounds like a firecracker, and the toms just disappear. Happens all the time. ALL the time. ALL THE TIME.
True that! I totally hear you. I always mix in different ways, depending on what style I’m playing for and I think it’s just a “to each their own” thing when it comes to drums. Luckily in this video, no band is playing in the way of the drums 😉
Sound great but you didn't actually explain how you got the sound? Ie how tight or loose you did them. What's the relationship between top and bottom heads. And it would have been good to see what you actually did with the cotton balls in the floor toms? Are they left loose or did you tape them to the top or bottom heads?
I’m planning a full walkthrough of tuning, so stay tuned (pun intended) The cotton is loose in side the drum to act like a natural gate. I never tune toms with a specific pitch relative to the heads, I only go for the sound I like. 🤙🔥
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Thanks for taking the time to reply. I know every drum is different and the heads make a huge difference. But it would have been interesting to know for instance if the great tuning you ended with was by tuning each rod 2 and half times or four times etc. Then when you detuned the one rod was that completely off or two turns down etc. Ditto bottom head . was that tuned higher or lower. It would give a start point for us to try to replicate the sound. I've had good results in the past using Tunebot and their recommeded tunings . Lately I've been using Rob 'Downbeat' Browns system of putting pressure in centre of the loose head and tighening each lug until the wrinkles just disapear. Thats a simple and quite effective method but I do then tweek it to get the sound that I like and to minimise snare buzz. This morning I tried thicker resonant heads and it did help to reduce the overtones a bit. Ill certainly try the cotton balls idea - must add to my next shopping list.
Just a thing to add that a coated batter head isn't good on a 10 inch Tom, it's so small in area that the lighter, thinner batter head allows the drum to resonate properly. Sure it looks a little funny to just leave one clear batter head on there but once you try it, actually you could just flip your current 10 upside down, try it and retune it. You might love the emperor as a reso head?
I don't agree. It's a to each their own-situation. Some like thinner heads on smaller drums and some like thicker heads. Since I made this video, I've tuned my drums in different ways and, funny enough, I keep getting comments like "Wow! Your drums sound fantastic!" So, I'm doing something right ^^
On the batter sound! It can in some cases get rid of some annoying overtones, but you sacrifice a bit of the overall tone as well. You gotta try and try again until you find your ideal sound 🙌
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Great video! Would you say they are tuned a hair tighter than before you detune one lug or after you detune one lug? I see wonderful videos like this but the resos are often not talked about on their relation to the batter head. I really like what you did here!
Woooha! The sound of that first floor tom made my day man! Loved it! You gain a subscriber right now, I found you on Drumico's channel and so glad to meet you! If you want to pass by my channel it would be awesome! Greetings from Menorca!
Do you know what Hz your lugs are or what notes your toms are? They sound great and I would like to get in the same rang for my drums. Maybe a silly question...
Not a silly question at all! But I always tune my drums by ear, never with a tune bot or something similar. And you also gotta take several factors into consideration when it comes to drum sound. What wood type is the shell, ply thickness, the drum heads, the room etc. 🙌🔥
@@ThatSwedishDrummer I usually tune by ear but I work at a place where they want the same sound each time we change heads etc.. They have a tune bot. Do you use damping inside or moon gels outside? Is your reso head tune lower and batter head tighter or vice versa? I'm just trying to get a good starting point. We do not want a lot of Resonation.Any help would be appriciated.
I've been tuning up my new Reference kit all weekend getting ready for a session, and was trying some more (typical) higher tunings, and they just didn't sound good until I went lower. It's funny you mentioned the detuning one lug thing too, because I literally just landed on that today with the rack tom's, and it literally like did the trick, then I got home and found this video lol. How are you tuning your reso's here compared to the batters? Higher or Lower, or same? They sound deadly here man!
It also depends on what kind of heads you use! (and also the room, how you play etc. when it comes to recording) The bottom heads are a bit tighter than the batter head.
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Yeah, no totally haha. I know that with audio questions, getting sounds, etc, it's never just simple, or just one way. Always a lot of factors to take into account for sure! That said, I'm fairly happy with my Toms, but can I ask just because you know the drum well, how do you like to tune your Reference kick(for the most part)? I'm still kinda struggling with it. It's a recording situation, and quite a small room(about 18ft x 18ft and 12 ft Ceiling) But with minimal, but some treatment)Remo PS3 Coated on the Batter, and Ambassador Coated on Reso with a Hole. Ive kinda landed on a little higher than wrinkles out, but struggling to find a place I like the Reso. Any suggestions?
@@ThatSwedishDrummer i mean the extra drumhead skinnon a floor tom?… guess I could cut an old head and find out🤷🏻♂️😂…. Thanks for replying, I really enjoyed your videos and subscribe… I really like that 10 minute warm up you put up… very effective 🙌
Ok I tune my 10" tom quite low (two plies on both sides) 12" tom very high (single ply both sides, use as second snare... without snares :D ) and my 18" tom (two ply + single plys) and 14x8 snare (very thick two ply) are just finger tightned. Did I something wrong..??
@@ThatSwedishDrummer I'm not asking. I just wanted to show that whatever you do and you think it is the sound you are going for, do it! I did it : yes my LP Banda (steel 14x8, 12 lugs, 42 strand snare wire, equiped with a non-coated 17mil double plys Aquarian Refletctor) is only finger tight. It fat, low, and loud. Believe it or not!!
Thanks buddy, I’m happy you like it!! They’re tuned slightly higher than the batter head. I don’t really measure the interval between them, I just go by feel and sound. Tuning drums is such an imperfect science 🤣
Nope! I use EQ and Compression. I add some stereo spread, multipressor and limiter on the master signal, but since I’m only recording drums, I don’t have to gate.
All drums have a certain “pitch” in their shells, but it’s tricky to not tune them in a “too tonal” way, if that makes sense 😅 If the resonant or batter head is too far away from their relative pitch, you’re gonna hear 2 tones clashing into each other.
Haha that's awesome, thank you, buddy! The snare is a Benny Greb Signature snare, made by Sonor. 13x5.75" beech wood snare with a Remo CS on top and Hazy 300 on the bottom. Really tight tuning!
