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"I Am A Deserter But I Am A Patriot! Were They? 

David Hoffman
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The sailors who deserted the USS Intrepid in 1967, shown here, including John Barilla, Michael Lindner and Craig Anderson, were part of a group known as the "Intrepid Four." They traveled to the Soviet Union where they stayed for about a month before traveling to Sweden in December 1967.
Sweden granted the "Intrepid Four" humanitarian asylum marking them as the first American deserters to receive international press coverage for their actions. This incident significantly affected Swedish-American diplomatic relations at the time. Craig Anderson eventually left Sweden for Canada and then sneaked back into the U.S., where he was arrested in 1972 and served eight months in prison before receiving a bad conduct discharge from the Navy. As of the last reports, Barilla was living in Canada, and Bailey and Lindner (Sutherland) were still in Sweden. The ship from which they deserted, the USS Intrepid, has since become a museum in New York City, featuring an exhibit called "Dissent On Board" that tells their story​​​​.
Their desertion, while statistically minor, had a significant impact by emboldening the antiwar movement and challenging the U.S. government's stance on the Vietnam War. Despite their initial portrayal as heroes in the Soviet media, their motivations were complex, driven by personal disillusionment with military life and a principled opposition to the war.
Public perceptions of deserters in 1967 were often polarized, mirroring the broader societal divisions over the Vietnam War. Some viewed deserters as cowards or traitors who failed to fulfill their patriotic duty, while others saw them as individuals taking a principled stand against what they viewed as an unjust or immoral conflict. This divide was reflected in media coverage, political discourse, and social attitudes of the time.
During the Vietnam War era, the perspectives on patriotism, duty, and the war itself were deeply divided. One side of the debate was represented by individuals and groups who maintained a "my country, right or wrong" stance, believing strongly in supporting their country's actions and policies, including the war effort in Vietnam. This viewpoint often reflected a sense of national loyalty and a belief in the importance of standing behind one's country's decisions, particularly during times of conflict.
On the other side were those who believed that dissent and opposition to the war could also be forms of patriotism. These individuals often felt that true patriotism involved holding one's country to higher standards and principles, even if that meant opposing its actions. They argued that by refusing to participate in what they viewed as an unjust or immoral conflict, they were upholding the values of democracy, freedom, and human rights.
The question of whether a deserter can be considered a patriot is subjective. From a legal standpoint, desertion is seen as a criminal act, especially during times of war, as it involves abandoning one's duty to the military and, by extension, to one's country. However, moral and ethical considerations can complicate this view. Some argue that true patriotism sometimes requires challenging unjust or immoral policies. In this view, a deserter who refuses to serve in what they believe to be an unjust or immoral conflict might be seen as acting in the best interests of their country's true values, thus framing their actions as a form of patriotic resistance.
In times of widespread support for a military action, deserters are more likely to be vilified. Conversely, in situations where public opinion turns against a conflict, deserters who acted on moral or ethical grounds may gain more sympathy and even admiration for their courage to resist.
Some philosophers and ethicists argue that patriotism should not be uncritically synonymous with government or military policy support, believing that a true patriot might be someone who acts according to their conscience, striving to uphold their nation's values even when that means opposing its policies or military actions.
Legally a deserter is a member of the armed forces who willfully abandons their duty without the intention to return. The Uniform Code of Military Justice which is the foundation of military law in the U.S., specifies the penalties for desertion. Under the law desertion carries severe penalties, including the possibility of imprisonment, forfeiture of pay, dishonorable discharge, and even the death penalty under certain wartime conditions, although the latter was rarely applied by 1967.
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Комментарии : 51   
@StephanieJeanne
@StephanieJeanne 7 месяцев назад
Great video, David. Thank you for letting us know what became of them.
@smhs1262
@smhs1262 7 месяцев назад
I appreciate your video on this particular subject of American history. In 1971 the Stop Our Ship (SOS) anti-war movement began on the USS Coral Sea after 1000 sailors signed a petition to keep their carrier from deploying to Vietnam. Support for the SOS movement started to grow and spread to other carries, public support was the only protection these sailors had against being singled out and buried under military repression. My dad was a sailor aboard the Coral Sea in '71, his story always interested me and I'm happy to see your video, although my father's story is a little different.Thank you!
@flossymaserati6466
@flossymaserati6466 2 дня назад
Amazing historical footage! This channel never disappoints💯 these men are courageous and have my utmost respect.
@tamarrajames3590
@tamarrajames3590 7 месяцев назад
This was such a hard time, these young men simply wanted to do the right thing…not what they were TOLD was the right thing. I was part of a group that helped draft dodgers to come to Canada. We had no enmity toward those who went to fight in Vietnam, we simply felt they should have a choice because their country was not threatened, or under attack by Vietnam.🖤🇨🇦
@reneburger4317
@reneburger4317 2 дня назад
Since WW2 USA hasn't really won a single war but the military industrial complex thrived.
@loubydal7812
@loubydal7812 7 месяцев назад
It's very different to fight to defend your country attacked by an army on our land than to fight just for geopolitical interests, unjustified wars killing innocent civilians that sooner or later will undermine the troops moral and flee. No surprise the U.S. military is on a downfall as less people want to join the army for unethical wars, add also how U.S. veterans are practically abandoned or have to deal too much with mental problems. Great footage David, let the truth be known to avoid the same mistakes and pain over and over again. Thanks.
@poireauer6517
@poireauer6517 6 месяцев назад
👍👍
@Stahlgewitter
@Stahlgewitter 7 месяцев назад
I remember turning 18 and receiving a "Selective Service" card in the mail. I asked my father (who protested Vietnam) if this is basically The Draft under a new euphemism. He took a look and pronounced that he believed so. I ceremoniously burned it in the fireplace to the applause of both of my parents.
@poireauer6517
@poireauer6517 6 месяцев назад
Good on you , Sir ! 👏👏
@Archie583
@Archie583 5 месяцев назад
I burned mine in front of my father when there was still a draft! Hs response was definitely different from your parents'. Then again, I'm in my 70's and burned mine during Viet Nam. (Spoiler -- I already knew my lottery number was 330, so there was no chance I was getting drafted...but it still felt good to burn it).
@KathysTube
@KathysTube 7 месяцев назад
Great history lesson... I have a friend who jumped ship because he didn't want to kill innocent people. Thanks David 😎👍
@LindaCasey
@LindaCasey 7 месяцев назад
As friend of mine came back from VietNam and said we were fighting on the wrong side. War is just stupid .. fought by real human beings through the fully protected men of high rank playing board games behind the scenes.
@poireauer6517
@poireauer6517 6 месяцев назад
👍👍👏👏
@Archie583
@Archie583 5 месяцев назад
Lol "A real substantial sort of idea that a man can hang on to, like...Manifest Destiny." 😂 I bet he looks back on *that* one with regret...at least I *hope* he does. Nothing we Americans have been able to embrace any tighter than nationalism, imperialism and racism! I think David is good at catching the absurd hidden inside these clips where everyone is trying to be honest and sincere. I also like how the TV coverage immediately tried to compare these sailors' disloyalty to the loyalty of Americans fighting in three wars on our own soil! That said, Muhammad Ali was a true anti-war hero, as he didn't go anywhere after refusing induction, and specifically offered to go to prison for his beliefs. His attorneys managed to keep him out of jail while they appealed the court's decision all the way to the Supreme Court, but unlike these guys, one of whom said, "I know I would have a lengthy prison sentence if caught," Ali said, "Here I am. I'm not going anywhere, but if you need to put me in prison, I will do that before I go kill people who ain't done nothin' to me."
@DeepVerma728
@DeepVerma728 7 месяцев назад
You joined the Navy to get out of going to Vietnam.
@talltexan6432
@talltexan6432 7 месяцев назад
No kidding. Exactly right.
@jamesdelcol3701
@jamesdelcol3701 7 месяцев назад
These are Pats. The CIA grabbed a couple of them and had Hippie Navy Boys serving MK Ultra checking out the American Hippie. My Uncle was one of them. Allen Weisenmuller. Navy Boy CIA.
@jodawgsup
@jodawgsup 7 месяцев назад
What?
@Stahlgewitter
@Stahlgewitter 7 месяцев назад
​@jodawgsup You really oughtta look it up. MK Ultra. It has became fairly common knowledge by now, but many people just don't encounter the information commonly.
@jodawgsup
@jodawgsup 7 месяцев назад
@@Stahlgewitter I know what it is, but I'm not sure what else you were trying to say?
@AndrewJames91
@AndrewJames91 7 месяцев назад
Yeah if you’re up for it I’d love a further breakdown of this!
@jamesdelcol3701
@jamesdelcol3701 6 месяцев назад
@@Stahlgewitter My uncle was friends with Brian Wilson and the Grateful Dead down on Height / Ashbury and he knew about that ranch. He was in the US Navy. I believe he told Brian Wilson to leave that area, that there was something going on over there. That's why Brian sold his house and Sharon Tate was there murdered instead of Brian Wilson. They were all over Brian to produce music with them. They scared him while on LSD. My uncle told him to skedaddle. He bolted. And then the murders happened.
@djchaiwallah
@djchaiwallah 7 месяцев назад
They didn’t say if they were drafted, but it makes me wonder if there weren’t a draft lottery if they would have chosen to enlist. In 2005 as a senior in High School during the Iraq War I had to register for the draft but my generation was never put through a draft lottery.
@drewpall2598
@drewpall2598 7 месяцев назад
Please take the time to read through David Hoffman Filmmaker description write up he provide additional information on the video he is presenting or the time period in which it took place. as in this one he let us know what became of these four guys. 😊
@carmelbrain7399
@carmelbrain7399 7 месяцев назад
where are they now?
@drewpall2598
@drewpall2598 7 месяцев назад
@carmelbrain7399... Please read through David Hoffman Filmmaker description write up you'll find the answer to your question. 😊
@mikejohnson2098
@mikejohnson2098 Час назад
Interesting
@0037kevin
@0037kevin 6 месяцев назад
Imagine the one smart thing that our future President would do would be to dodge the draft. And he would one day glorify this very same activity. And a Republican to boot. And they love him for it. Imagine that.
@blackhawk7r221
@blackhawk7r221 6 месяцев назад
An actual x-ray bone spur. Got it. His democratic opposition? 5 deferments. Got it. Both are despicable. Possessing a DD214 proves you’ve walked the walk and paid your dues.
@LC-go1uh
@LC-go1uh 5 месяцев назад
Most people don't love him. They just like him much better than the other choice. At least he didn't makes millions off of cottupt deal with other countries. At least we don't have a gaf every time he speaks. I can name at least 1000 reasons I prefer Trump over Biden.
@PerspectiveEngineer
@PerspectiveEngineer 7 месяцев назад
1:58 that guy
@RAEckart22
@RAEckart22 7 месяцев назад
The part that hurts worst is leaving your fellow crewmen, the guys that were counting on you to have their back. And running to the U.S.S.R.? Oh brother, that ain't no peacetime move, gents. Navies from the past would have had severe punishment beyond what they got, which was appropriate.
@poireauer6517
@poireauer6517 6 месяцев назад
They choose their lives as did the guys who stayed on board If you don t agree , you leave It s no more complicated than that What use is it if the guy next to you doesn t believe he should be there in the 1st place ?
@PerspectiveEngineer
@PerspectiveEngineer 7 месяцев назад
Slavery is slavery... kids an American
@richardbigouette3651
@richardbigouette3651 7 месяцев назад
They're deserters to me. Conscripted or volunteered if you leave your brothers in the battlefield it makes you a coward in my eyes.
@poireauer6517
@poireauer6517 6 месяцев назад
A coward is somebody who doesn t live up to his beliefs They did They didn t leave anyone behind The guys who went to war could have refused , just like they did If you wanna die in a war thanks to a Gov representing the interests of the deep state , be my guest but don t blame me for choosing a path different than yours
@cleokey
@cleokey 7 месяцев назад
I got drafted during the 60s and served in Vietnam, I didn’t agree with the war. Very few did. These Navy guys were not on swift boats getting shot at all day, just regular duty. If they were conscience objectors, they could have simply gone to prison like Mohammed Ali for the length of time they were supposed to be in service, not complicated, imo. Once they deserted, they should have been in prison. That's the consequences, every soldier gets the speech.
@talkinginhexagons2218
@talkinginhexagons2218 6 месяцев назад
Congrats on having no integrity, fighting in a war you thought was wrong, killing innocent people. You definitely are in a position to lecture others about standing up for their beliefs.
@PerspectiveEngineer
@PerspectiveEngineer 7 месяцев назад
2:40 straw man whatever
@MIck-M
@MIck-M 7 месяцев назад
I will label them traitors and cowards because they ran to an enemy - Cuba were/are really bad guys. If they had refused to fight and faced the consequence at home, it would be different perhaps. They signed and pledged an agreement when they joined and weren't committed enough to follow through. My sentence - 10 years in the stockade with min 5 to be served.
@drtg101we7
@drtg101we7 7 месяцев назад
The United States colonized Cuba, exploited Cuba and meddled in its affairs until Bautista was overthrown. When you colonize and exploit a people by using them as cheap whores and slave labor, they will hate you... WITH GOOD REASON!!
@lemilemi5385
@lemilemi5385 7 месяцев назад
perhaps they were conscripted?
@Ohnyet
@Ohnyet 7 месяцев назад
@@lemilemi5385nope!
@MIck-M
@MIck-M 7 месяцев назад
@@lemilemi5385 If they had of refused to sign/swear loyalty or even later refused while standing up to the consequences' my sentence would have been a few months in the hole and then dishonourable discharge. It was the running away part that sunk them in my book.
@annew1362
@annew1362 7 месяцев назад
"... and even the death penalty under certain wartime conditions, although the latter was rarely applied by 1967" Here is your answer. Rare, but still a possibility... even today.
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