First of all they dont just replace cats for no reason. There are guidelines for replacements and my guess is that either the car has some type of fuel issue or excessive blowby.
I just retired after 25 yrs as the director of Finance from a Ford dealership and we had some lemon law cars I wouldnt give to anyone. Thats how bad they were. However though, there are some situations that it makes sense to buy a car and take a chance on it. I totally agree with you that if the previous owner was elderly and most ( not all ) senior citizens dont like or understand the new tech on these cars and I totally agree that the stop/start feature could easily have contributed to this case I would love to know if you have had any issues on this car since u got it ..... I am a new subscriber and love what you do !!
I know, old comment and all. But wanted to put few cents on it. Its not just elderly who hates start-stop with passion. Im 27 and I would NEVER buy start-stop car. XD
Arunix .... Why not?? My new car has stop start & when I start the engine I just switch it off🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ The car is awesome, if I insisted on no stop start, I couldn’t have bought it..
@@MC-nb6jx everyone has preferences, I personally dont like the idea of it,nwith some cars it feels less secure too if you dont even have to press anything to unlock it
the car has an actual issue. engine shuts off mid drive and won't start again. he took it to Ford 3 times or so and can't be fixed. I wouldn't buy a lemon.. you need a lawyer in most states to get a car lemon'd so it's not like it's easy to lemon law it
David Anderson I just bought a used 17 gt350 yesterday.. same color but with a few more options... price was $9000k more.. it only had 7k miles... I am kinda kicking myself but then I go in my garage, start it up and I’m ok again... wait... how much did I just pay!?!?!?!(Back to the garage)
As someone who had Ford buy a lemon back, I have to give you a reality check here. It is NOT easy to get a manufacturer to buy a car back. They take a huge loss and will do everything in their power to convince you to keep the car. Many people even get attorneys to force the buyback (I'm not an attorney but I have been an expert witness in court, so I can hold my own.) The point here is that Ford would NEVER buy back this car unless there was something seriously wrong with it. They would never replace the catalyst TWICE and fix electrical problems unless there was actually a legitimate issue. Also warning lights don't just show up at random; something makes them turn on. The car I made Ford buy back had the transmission serviced once and totally replaced twice. I asked them to give me a new car, but they refused even though I told them that if they didn't, I would file a lemon law claim. They also told me that almost nobody gets cars bought back and it's their policy to keep fixing a car until it's fixed no matter how many times they try! Finally, at the hearing, they offered to replace my car, which had 17,000 miles at that point, with a brand new one. I told them that it was too late; if they did that at the dealer 4 months earlier, when I clearly showed all my documentation proving my car was a lemon, I would have accepted, but to offer this at the lemon law hearing was downright offensive. I also watched Paul K's RU-vid video a few months ago when he explained his saga getting rid of his Dodge Challenger Hellcat lemon, and you can see what a difficult process it was - this is the case for EVERYONE! All of this should demonstrate that this was NOT a car that was returned because a person didn't understand the engine autostart/stop and just wasn't happy with the car. Even if the salespeople never mentioned it, the first time a person would bring it in for service, they would explain that it's how the car works and NOT fix wiring issues or replace a catalyst! A car will be steeply discounted for a reason. Whether it's from accident damage, excessively high mileage, or because it was a lemon, the discount reflects the issues with the car. You are not going to get a nearly new car for over 50% off because it's perfect and the original owner didn't like it. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it is.
Some times things aren’t too good to be true. Sometimes people just don’t want something so they pretty much give it away (not talking about cars though).
Mikem 2k my Kia has 8 starters replaced a computer system fuse box was replaced and head lights brake lights and windows and dash light and instrument cluster would randomly still stop while driving it also did it at night
I work at a GM dealership and we have a whole lot off site for auction/online sales that is all lemon cars and it matches our current inventory if not beats it. Mainly anything to do with a GM truck chassis due to their terrible vibration issues.
I live in the United States and I don't know how he did that. Cheapest flights I can ever find are like $200/person. I must be looking on the wrong websites?
Turkey Creek Jack Johnson all American cars are basically worse shitter made fiats a with no thoughts given to design and with possibly the worst build quality ever, especially car interiors lol 😂 ohhh my god they look horrendous
Do not buy Lemon Cars unless you're really informed. Buybacks happened because the manufacture could not fix the issue 100% and it's been attempted several times. Very few get buy getting their vehicle bought back because of being lied to about a packages etc. So, buying one of these you will definitely be using the warranty and also some documents are not always provided to the consumer. Consider bad electrical -something that would have to be replaced. or extreme cases of complete engine replacement.
That couldnt be further from the truth... since dealerships are independently owned and not by the manufacturer, the service advisors just want to make a quick dollar and since it is under warranty they take a cost cut. The longer it takes for a repair, The lower their commission is because they are stuck on one customer. In all of the cases i have seen a buyback could have been avoided if they would have involved the engineers the second time it came in. Other than that if the vehicle has been out of service for 30 days they qualify for lemon law, and most of the time the reason it is out of service is because the parts supplier didnt build the part fast enough
bessem mabrouk of course. If you search Covington Ford on google it’s located in Covington, GA, about 45 minutes East of Atlanta, GA. Like Sam said, they have a bunch of great deals on the lemons, if you’re willing to take the chance!
Loved how on the test drive you can see a hand try to cover the Chik Fil A logo on a cup in the rear seat cup holder!!! No free plug for Chic Fil A?? haha
I had a car bought back by the manufacturer as a lemon once. My car kept having turbo related issues where the wastegate would get stuck open. It turns out that the dealership was using the wrong oil for the 5000 mile service intervals. We ended up getting another vehicle from the same manufacturer, which started having a repeated issue at around 50K miles. I traded that car in for another manufacturer vehicle and have had that car for 16 years now. Personally I would never buy a lemon car, but you may be lucky.
Bought an 06 Buick lucerne from an arizona snowbird who sold it up here in MN for 6k.Only 75k miles, no rust, previous owner has replaced alternator, battery, intake manifold gasket, water pump and radiator.However previous owner never changed coolant until about 2019 which in combination with poor materials for intake manifold gasket and "coolant elbows" contributed to that issue.Only myself had a minor issue with a MAF sensor, otherwise been a great car.I was wary due to its history of total repairs (this is just a summary) but part of what made me buy it is that it was NOT the SAME issue repeatedly.Also since its 14 years old there is plenty of info available to consumers and Buick master technicians. Have had it about 9 months, taken on several trips.Plenty of features and life left in this Buick.
Those wheels are painted silver on the European market mk2 rs if they had the logo on the centre and the rs emblem in the squares They would look more oem
that engine start/stop feature that kills the power steering seems ridiculous. I can easily see how someone that didn't know about it would think something is wrong with the car.
I just bought a car with a rebuilt title and I couldn’t be more happy! It looks like it just came from the factory and I got a really great price for it, I studied this channel for a long time before buying! 2005 Mustang GT Premium
So... before everyone thinks you truley saved $20,000k, private party value on kbb(more than any dealership would consider) in perfect condition .. that SUV is worth between $26k-28k..non lemon.. so, you realistically only saved between $3k-$5k... and bought a lemon car........you didnt save $20,000.... besides, lincolns for some reason dont hold their value and, you would be unwise to purchase one new. Great video and an 'alright' deal
What KBB are you looking at? Blue Book is 34-36k for that 2017 with same mileage, trim, color... So it's more like half his quote of 10k, not 20k, but still...
Go be an investment banker and quit with you and people like constantly talking about holding value so you can resale at some point and not lose much. You can always buy a belly button, me too Honda, Mazda or Toyota, drive a boring car and have resale because most people will overpay for perceived value.
I bought my '15 MKC CPO Dec 15. It's had so many issues. Multiple battery failures. Rear tire well flooding when rains. Leaking from front windshield. A trunk module that repeatedly locked when the car was off till it failed and needed replacement. Transmission lurching. It has a 100k CPO warranty and it's comfortable. Those are the only reasons why I keep it. I chalked up these issues to 1st year model growing pains. I still managed to get my best friend to buy one brand new. A 2017 Reserve in white. A 4yr 50k warranty and anytime you need service or repair, Lincoln will come to your house or work and give you another Lincoln to drive and take your car for whatever it needs. All for free. In or out of warranty. And whether it was new or used. Just has to be a 17 or newer. I sold it on it being comfortable, luxurious and never have to go to a dealer again. You got an amazing deal indeed! And I thought I did good buying one 7k less than it was worth. Wow!!
I’m all for features that save gas, or reduce emissions, but I feel like “start stop technology“ is just a cheap cop out, it saves very little fuel, and puts unnecessary wear on the starter system. If cars are going to use a start stop system they need a more robust power reserve to allow power steering and other features to remain operational. Riding with a friend in their new impala over the winter, the start stop was only able to shut the engine off for a few second before the battery drain from the heat caused it to fire back up again. And the shutter when it starts is annoying and makes the car feel cheap. I drive a hybrid so it’s considerably different, but a conventional car should not cut off at a light.
In the right driving environment-urban environments with a lot of horrible traffic-start stop can save a lot of gas. A badly implemented system can be obnoxious but a well done system has beefed up components that make it work right.
Agreed it's not for everyone and there should be an option to disable it. In some instances it can use more fuel, and does cause more wear to the engine itself, not the starter as it's designed for the job. Fact is though, the engine is still going to complete more revolutions with zero/low oil pressure than an equivalent model without the feature.
I am 74 years old and I am sure all of our daddys' told us "You get what you pay for." never forget that. Learned it as a young age and has been good advice all my life!
I think you hit the nail right on the head with the auto start stop that guy just didn't like it and I bet you they bought it back to keep a long term customer happy
I had a Ford truck rental while my GMC went in for bodywork, and I was surprised by the engine stop-start. I thought it was clever, but managed to find the setting to disable it as well.
That whole “Lincoln Lawyer Lemon Lincoln” bit earned you a new Subscriber! Also Congratulations on the new car! I’m going to go check out your other videos
If it was a buyback because it repeatedly could not be fixed, remind us of why you think it got really fixed this time around? And what happens if it still has those problems? Auto-stop-start systems usually can be disabled, check the setup options.
Most of those cars still have warranty. For someone like samcrac that can be patient with a car that's constantly being repaired (for free) it could work out. Would be a bad choice for someone who only has one car that they commute to work in.
You'd be surprised. There are so many factors that contribute to a car being bought back. Honestly what I've seen the most is buyers remorse, or people abusing a car beyond the way its intended to be driven. Then get mad when it needs fixed repeatedly. They arent necessarily lemons. I personally fixed a buy back. In the service history there was a repeat battery replacement. Turns out customers were keeping keys in the car and the computer was staying awake, so the manufacturer had a reprogram available for the computer so it would go back to sleep mode. Did that and it fixed it and it got resold.
I think you got an incredible deal. That is the best way in my opinion to get a brand new car. I will probably never buy brand new. Thanks for this video. I'm definitely going to look at lemon cars in the future when I'm ready to purchase again. That is definitely a nice car with the vented seats, too! Especially living in Florida (Cocoa Beach here).
Kick ass deal. Thank you for opening my eyes that these were even an option. My husband and I watched this while eating our favorite #9 Jersey Mike's! Husband said, "wow! That was a really good video. Super informative". I hope it's all well and the car goes strong for miles to come. Cheers to you and your wife and her new car. (Haha {her} new car)
be careful with lemon cars, almost all of them aren't like this, most exist because there's a problem hindering functionality, and the manufacture cannot find the cause, so if you go in thinking you'll find a good deal, you almost always end up paying 10-20k for something that doesn't work, so unless you're extremely knowledgeable with car you're interested, including all of mechanical and electrical systems, and understand how to repair the problems that not even the manufacturer could fix, it's just not advised.
If only it were this easy. No joke -- I WOULDN'T TOUCH A LEMON WITH A 10FT POLE!!!!!! I've owned one before (a Ford Focus that I bought new) and, like this car, it was plagued with all kinds of mysterious problems -- and the dealership was clueless and often unable to reproduce them. It was literally in the shop 40% of the time I owned it. To make matters worse, every time the car came back from the dealership, it was damaged in some way. It is VERY believable a car could be lemoned within 850 miles. My car developed two bad wheel bearings on the first drive home from the dealership, after signing the papers. And a couple weeks after that the throttle stuck open and it had to be towed. And the list goes on, and on, and on. Point is: These cars can be your absolute worst nightmare especially if there are safety issues (like randomly shutting off is not safe). OBVIOUSLY, YOUR CAR IS STILL A LEMON, since the repair records themselves state that the main issue was never even reproducible. Do not think, for a second, that the issues have been resolved. I hate to say it, but based on the documentation you shared with us, you are probably fucked. Your only saving grace is that you have many, many, other cars to drive, while yours will be in the shop. I was NOT so fortunate -- which added a lot of stress to my situation. BUT you will NEVER be able to trust this car enough to go on a road trip. NEVER. It is not worth it, man. Seriously: Dump this thing ASAP. A Ford dealership mechanic will never spend the necessary time to track down the root cause of the issue -- the system isn't setup to even allow them to do that. Warranty work pays shit and they are incentivized to get the cars out of the shop ASAP. -- so they road test them and say, "can't reproduce" (obviously, because it is an intermittent issue). They cannot spend hours troubleshooting a mysterious problem with no result, as they will not get paid. So they push it out the door for the next guy to deal with -- like a hot potato that nobody wants to touch.
This guys handy enough to buy a lemon and not be sold BS from a dealer. It may not be worth it for you but those of us handy it’s no problem and you don’t need to save us from ourselves man. Take a pill.... relax.
I have to agree with you: whether it is a barely used car or not, it was bought back not for a simply "I got a flat tire". The vehicle was plagued with issues. There are videos online of people who have gone through the RAV program and mustangs have gone through 2 engines and 1 trans, some 2 trans, etc etc etc. I "Hope" sam doesn't have repeat issues but I highly suspect that he will.....
I had a John Cooper Mini and by the time they were done with all the unfixed problems & recalls it had been in the shop 11 times in 3 years. Couldn't lemon it because they were all DIFFERENT problems with the exception of the Turbo. It took 3 turbos in that time and after the last one traded it in for a Jeep. 5 years in and the Jeep and last year spent 5 weeks in the shop because they couldn't diagnose a bare wire in the TIPM pigtail that blew out 2 units....
I Agree 100%..... Ive worked for Ford for over 5 years and i have seen some shit that no way some random backyarder could diagnose bet alone repair. This guy in the video seems to make a point that its "new" I hate to say it buddy, but a manufacturing fault is from the factory..... say for example,,, this will blow ur mind.... did u know there is known issues that can only be fixed under warranty if the customer complains???? even if I notice the fault, i can't repair it unless u complaint. (this does not apply to safety equipment) Example of one, on a "import" brand car........ "clunk when front window goes down", caused by window glass hitting the door loome, corrected by "following a procedure with supplied part" in short.... bolted loome to door..... a specific month never got the bolt.... and if u dont complain, u car will never get the missing bolt.... These cars are only really economical for wrecking yards, generally its considerably easier and faster to throw parts at it until the problem is fixed rather than diagnosis it especially with lemon cars that have already had repair attempts.
"...they found some loose wires." I bought a Chevy Prizm new back in the day. The throttle would sometimes stick after I floored it. The dealer replaced most of the throttle linkage under warranty. When it happened again after the warranty expired, they said just to remove the after-market floor mats which would 'catch' the throttle pedal. That solved the problem permanently. Maybe everything was ok and your dealership tried whatever to fix "the stalling" because the manufacturer was picking up the tab.
The big Lincolns are typically bought by retirees. The Ford dealers/salesmen are notorious for not explaining major new driving experiences as car basics change. The PowerShift automatic was a case in point. No explanation to any buyer that this was not a hydromatic, but was instead a automatic electric clutch car. It will not hold a hill forever while you put your foot from brake to gas, you slip back (scary for Secretary Jane who bashes the car behind her). It was designed for Europeans so you're supposed to put your foot in it hard like an Italian tuneup. Secretary Jane putters about in stop and go traffic. Same thing happened in 1992 when brake depress was required to shift from Park into any gear. No explanation by the salesman. They don't want to talk about it because they might scare off the sale. Pretend cars are the same as 1970, forever. Sounds like the exact thing happened with this autostop. Car stops, driver confused, driver turns key off and restarts car, driver assumes car is defective.
The funny thing about this is your not entirely wrong many cases and went mini dealership a lot of features are not explained or shown thoroughly one of the ways I mean a lot of my half deals with some of the sales people was in fact showing the features after the sale if anyone had questions or the sales people are not bothered it they would just asked me hey do you mind showing off these features are going around
To be fair, the auto stop-start is stupidly designed on this car. The power steering should never cut out while you are sitting at the light. Assuming that's working as intended, that makes no sense.
I had a Lincoln LS and it a was a Lemon. Got rid of it and got a LTZ Malibu which was a great car plus the Malibu V6 good run circles around the LS V6.
Great video and information !! Subbed. Looking for another car now sounds like the lemon route could be a good way to go. Are some states better than other ?
I think it is a great deal, I never even knew that a "lemon law" existed, I don't think we have that here in Canada. And indeed we do not have that, just looked it up. I do recall buying a brand new vehicle and at 800 km (~550 miles) I was back in the shop getting new rotors and calipers, something with it had been sitting for a while, yada-yadah-yah. At 2600 I had issues with the brakes again and that is when I basically told them that I would not want the car anymore if this kept going. I mean, come on, two sets of brake repairs, thank god it was the warranty. After this it never had a problem again and I drove close to 200,000 km with it. Huh.... lemon law.... we need that here.
@@BillMan2002 what kind of inspection? I mean I have no idea what qualifies as a lemon in US but being in a dealership sometimes the complaints I hear is ridiculous.
We've had start-stop in Europe for a few years now and it can be a real pain. There's no consistency with electric power steering . I've had one car where it still functioned when the engine was stopped and my current car where there's no assistance when the engine is stopped..... but we do get a button to disable the start-stop system completely
The engine start stop is a thing that helps save on fuel it’s something that makes it so the engine isn’t useing fuel at the light like most other cars without that feature
Great video, have you found any dealerships in Florida that carry lemon lawed vehicles? Also, have you had any issues with the MKC since you bought it, I also have a MKC.
When the very first ford escape came out i went to a dealer to check it out. Walked through the lit and noticed very fast how most of them were rushed through production to meet whatever deadline was established for launching the product. Missing parts, wyper blades, etc. The most intriguing was one having V6 badges all around but a 4-cyl motor under the hood.
I bought a brand new 2003 Escape V6 AWD , a car in it's 2nd year of production. I HATED it pretty much the first week I owned it, but stuck with it for six months until I just couldn't anymore. It's the only car I've ever owned that made me feel emasculated which is crazy of course - it was black, not bright pink, but anyway, yeah I just didn't like the fucker. So, no doubt I lost thousands, but I ended up buying a used wholesale (high miles) Expedition I drove for a year then bought the new body style (at the time) 2004 F150 Lariat in black/black leather and I was fine after that. Then many more after THAT, but yeah that was my Escape experience...
Something is weird about that dealer. You look at that RS and it lists for 25.9 but what you click on the car for pictures and details the price changes to 33.9. lol Something isnt right here.
I recently had a 2018 rental vehicle and besides being slightly biased toward another brand was overall pleased with the packaging. However auto start/stop was a deal breaker for me as it is extremely annoying if you aren’t used to it. Hybrids seem to me like the best compromise since you get full if not enhanced power off the line without the weird interrupt when you want to sprint ahead of traffic from a stand still.
I work at a ford dealer and I'm not surprised it was lemon lawed. Lincoln customers have such a high standards and complain about the tiniest issues. And if we can't duplicate the issue described, we can't replace anything. So not really surprised! Good purchase! They are very nice cars
I know the Ford Explorer has a problem with its exhaust leaking into the cab. I was kind of wondering if this Lincoln and the Ford Explorer are not based off the same platform? I would assume that they are. That may explain them replacing the catalytic converters.
Had this issue on a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee altitude. Turned out to be auxiliary battery was worn out. Was ready to lemon it, but asked the dealer to fix the auxiliary battery. Car died at 300 miles and again at 1200.
Because that's insanely irresponsible driving, driving when you're that tired is equally dangerous as drunk driving. A high school classmate of mine and an entire family died in a head on collision because one of them fell asleep while driving and drove into the other lane on a two lane mountain road. If you're falling asleep even once pull the hell over and take a nap and get a coffee.
I bought my car from the same dealer. My 2014 Ford Fiesta Titanium was branded a buyback, got it at 9k miles. Now has 72k and it's doing fantastic. It's been in the shop for the same issue numerous times, but it's finally fixed.
There are other things that can cause a P0420 code. Usually the cc is the culprit, but there could also be small exhaust leaks, faulty O2 sensors, with this being a Ford, the KAM memory probably needed to be reset, or it might also be the PCM needs to be reflashed.
