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Anybody that wants to have a bit of fun in the UK is always shut down. Big brother health and safety laws they would rather you were locked up in your home.
Pedal assist is brilliant, I got 16 miles on throttle on my 250w 13ah kit and with pedal assist level 3-4 got 42 miles, also most throttles are junk had it for 2 weeks and briloke did not bother replacing as not needed
I'm in Australia and I have never and do not intent to ever follow the laws regarding ebikes. I've spoken to police about my bike they had no issues with it, despite the fact I ride it in full motorcycle gear.
@@JudeTheRU-vidPoopersubscribe hey bro I got 1,500w 48v 40mph 29" fat tire ebike, I'm in uk want to group up and find other people and go on mad rides to London bridge ?
It's a nice looking build, and I absolutely agree a throttle is much more precise. That "delay" for pedal assist depends on the pedal sensor and the controller programming. I use a Phaserunner controller on mine, and have the pedal assist set to engage the motor right when my natural pedaling takes the slack out of the chain. It's about a quarter turn of the crank when the bike is already moving, and I also programmed it to apply the power smoothly instead of just turning it on abruptly. Your example of going that fast with only 250 watts is why limiting power is not a logical method of restricting speed. In the US, they don't pay much attention to power, as long as the speed is limited. Many bike companies that sell over here openly advertise 1000, 2000, 3000 watt peak motors, but if they are delivered with a 20mph speed limit, it's ok. Thanks for the video!
I have found the same with my e-trike that the number of magnets and brand of the pedal-assist along with programming the LCD control makes a big difference for the 'delay'. I also limit the maximum speed to comply with UK regulations at 15.5mph.
on my mid drive bike a non intentional half turn of the pedal will engage the motor, it tries to throw you into trees, lamposts, walls, oncoming traffic, just when you try to adjust balance without thinking, its something you have to learn to get used to. PAS is fun though when you do want to psuedo-pedal. not sure how the professional bikes deal with this unintentional jumping forward issue.
@@ash0787 When you need to not be thrown by the motor use the brake cut off switch to keep the motor from engaging. Just pull the least "tight" brake lever just enough to disable the motor but not engage the brake pads. Instant temporary manual mode. If you have the brake cutoff installed. That's how I've gotten used to my factory bikes tendency to attempt suicide with me aboard.
If we had the US laws here I wouldn't even bother going through this whole DIY rigmarole. At least some states have 28mph variants, seems pretty perfect to me. I think maybe some type of 1-2hr course or something being required for safety with >20mph variants would be better but still, should definitely be allowed.
@@ddood8563exactly the same here mate, if we had the USA laws of 28mph allowed with pedal assist then I'd have an off the shelf bike. Doing the diy builds is fun but a pain in the ass sometimes. I only want to go in the 28-30mph range anyway (drove mopeds or 50cc scooters for years and that's how quick they go).
That depends mine on the highest assist burns more than the throttle. It also goes 24-25 mph by just spinning the pedals no push from me. 28 if I actually put it in a gear where I csn help push.
Ride safe everyone. I’ve ridden a 2350w 52v 21ah battery powered kit for over 2 years. Doing 40mph on the road is fun as heck and since I’ve over heated my yellow phaze wire box and replaced with good bullet connectors. It’s like having a new ebike now even 2 years later more acceleration less overheating.
When your waiting behind a car i find you have more control with the throttle, i used the peddles only once and all of a sudden the motor kicked in and i nearly hit the car in front, thats with traffic stop, starting, so the throttle is a must to get going!
Very nice job. I would love to do a front motor kit on my existing rear hub bike. Not sure where to put the controller, battery and stuff. Maybe just all in a bag on the back rack. Add a thumb throttle to the left side and just keep it all active as I ride with the right side half twist. Not sure what size motor I can get on the front of an Ariel Rider Kepler. Couple torque arms will need to be custom fit.
If you tried a torque assist like the Tongsheng TSDz2 mid-mount the pedal assist is virtually instant both for on & off. They also give a more natural feel. Also available from 250w & 48V (legal) up to 750w. You can still have your throttle but will eliminate your concerns regarding lack power control on pedal & ghost pedalling. Worth a try
I've put near a thousand miles on my little 36v 250 Tongsheng over the last 6 months and it's been surprisingly bomb proof. Probably conk out now I've said that!
Its absoloutley a great wee system the tongshen i was a bit snobby at first and overlooked it but afyer buying and fitting it it outshines a lot of hub drives direct or geared and unlike some others its very natural feeling my other bike has lag getting on the power and off again the tongshen is instant and responsive
yeah i was gonna say, a torque sensor is way better than a cadence sensor, feels like a normal bike except that it just goes faster, no idea why any motors even come with cadence sensors anymore especially high end ones
Depends on your likes and needs. I prefer cadence, I've had torque sensing on all my mid drive bikes and it gets on my tits lol I want to just sit back and cruse effortlessly with no force from my legs (unless going up a steep hill), It's all about the chill ride for me.. I work my ass off on my feet all day and using muscles, Bike time is chill time! And when I speed, I don't want to do any work for it. I don't want to deal with gears very much either which is one of the reasons I gave up mid drives, Too high maintenance and too much gear changing. Just give me the simple life baby :)
I've got a Haibike with Bosch 250w motor. Do you know any way that I can add a throttle? You're dead right about how dodgy pedal assist is in tight technical corners.
I'm confused, did you fit two kits in one here or add parts to one or other of the kit types? I'm new to the ebike thing so, yeah, just not sure what you bought exactly. I do like the simple look of it though. And why do they say on his site, for off road use only?
Trouble is…having a 48v batt still makes it illegal. The regs say 36v…just to ensure it is gutless on hills for overweight, older riders with shot knees. Also…as you say…it goes over the 15.5 mph….so illegal. Its all Government overreach BS, there is no need for such stringency huh! I reckon 750w motors maxing at 20mph electronically restricted, like America should be the aim.
I agree, up to 1kw and restricted to 20mph would suit most people. No need for any faster than 20mph on a bicycle and people can always peddle at that point if they want to do faster. The extra grunt of 1kw gets people easily up hills using motor and also keeps fatties (me included) accelerating on the flats.
Funny enough Steve I've just build a small pedal assist bike. I found u have to be really careful riding slow speeds then the assist comes in when u don't want it caught me out a couple of times
I built a Dillenger what they call *Street Legal* bike in 2016 with a nice thumb throttle. hardly ever use the peddles. In the instrument panel you can change max speed. Max speed on a straight path hits 22MPH ........... Strange thing is a 250W battery but the control panel will hit 550W using full throttle. Anyway like UK the legal is 15MPH here in Denmark.
ive seen so many people get into ebikes and escooters from all walks of life classes and ages its been really cool to see people get them ive seen the elderley on e-scooters because walking long distances can be tiring but there not quite ready for a mobility scooter ive seen guys in there 40s/50s/60s using them for fishing with little trailers and as daily run arounds to get them about the warehouse crowd LOVES them especially those on mornings and afternoons as the missus can keep the car for the school run and running errands and he can nip 2 and from work without needing a second car or hop onto the bus if the weathers rough delivery drivers running uuber and just eat food around saving on petrol and emissions i ADORE mine ive got a 20x4 folding fat tyre ive thrown panniers on the back i have a rear baskett and a folding storage box up front and a trailer hookup should i need a little more and it takes care of everything ive put almost 1,000 miles on mine since i got it in april/may last year(2022) 17 months ago i use it for everything
Here in Australia we have similar restrictions(25kph - 250w) I have a BBSHD electric fat bike that I like to ride on sand dunes and the beach so have set it up for 250w@ 25kph for street use and 1740w with unrestricted speed for offroad use. Works well.
@@ManiacInTheShed Hi, no I have abandon the use of a BBSHD for différent reason, like the fact that the power of the motor is visible on the outside, so you can't hide it. Also the rpm of the motor are too high and it is not a fit for someone who don't use trottle but pedal only.
@@ManiacInTheShed yeah but all that money to use lvl 1 only ... I have choose to use à real road bike. I will check in few years if the offer for electric bike is better.
Hi ya Steve I am am interested to buy a 250 for Commuting How much would it cost me for you to do a bike like that for me? And can mudguards be fitted to back and front? Thanks mate Regards Ali
I was never a fan of pedal assist ( pedal throttle) one thing I like it for is I can take my hand off the throttle and keep going. Happy trails my friend!
pedal assist has always been the most pointless thing for every day use ive found maybe if you have torque sensing its ok but cadence sensing is just nothing or full power which is totally what you want on a powered vehicle is for it to just launch off at full power every time you so much as touch the pedals or when your trying to move slowly having to keep cranking up and down the power settings to find the one you need the ONLY use it has is being able to drop off the throttle and maintain full power as you go along i wish the law would see sense and just allow the throttle because its way safer as you get fine controll over your speed and i feel the only reason its even banned is the people who made the law think that it works by requiring you to pedal faster to go faster when it reality a 2 year old could get full speed out of one i know this because my niece and nephew 2 and 3 love playing with my pedals when its parked in the back yard and on 2 occasions managed to engage the rear motor with just there tiny little hands moving the pedals about 30 degrees of course they wont theyll just get egg on there face and throw a tantrum and cave into bosch and the other big manufacturers of useless garage fillers and force some stupid certification through that just compleatly kills the ebike community by mandating only uk registered and certified ebikes with some hefty fee to test are allowed in the uk killing off competition and making every ebike a sporty piece of crap mountain bike that costs 1500 quid for a lackluster spec that comes in mountain bike, mountain bike,brompton,mountain bike or if your feeling silly road bike with skinny clear weather tires all with amazingly tiny and shit batterys and then the goverment will go back to moaning about how no one will consider cycling or greener transport
You mention a "kit" a few times .. what is the "kit" and can it be used on any e-bike. I have a Fiido D1.. got because it was cheap (ish) and didn't want to spend Thousands on fist e-bike, and it be a waste of money.. (as i have chronic illness).. so any more info would be great.
I am confused. I have people telling me that a 250w bike battery only last for One Hour, from full charge. Others say they last longer, If you keep it to 15mph, on peddle assist. So what Is the truth about these?.
My mates is pretty good not good for speed but the amount of torqe it makes is mad he can pull me along while were both fully loaded with fishing tackle to 40mph without breaking a sweat his wheel bearings in the back hub went after 3000 miles on it so not bad really an thats of road canal toe paths an all sorts
Your Video is better then any of Andy kirby boom boom acid rave music🤣 i have a giant fallon 250w yamaha mid drive..is it possible for me to turn it into throttle only?? Our could i run a 1000w hub motter through my 500w giant battery??
Has anyone had experience with the Hailon G56 battery, as far as I can see the 12.5AH have "Chinese made cells" the 15AH has Samsung cells, are they safe, reliable etc?
I have a Scott scale 3kW rear motor with a 64 /72 lithium battery 🔋 it goes like shit off a shovel ,,using pedal assist mode 1-2 I can get 60 plus mile and only use the throttle when needed ie Hills ,E bikes are a great adon to any training regime ,plus the Mrs comes out with me on her Chinese 500w bike …..
Can you tell us where you bought your 3K watt rear hub motor and battery? Has to be fast because my 2K watt mid drive is a beast. I too use my e-bike for recovery days from training on my carbon fiber drop bar bike. I just love to be biking, motor or no motor.
Nice build Steve 👍🏻. Is the 48v battery an option on the 250w kit from Andy? Does this increase the output to 330 is watts running at 7 ish amps? What’s the weight like on the front wheel? Loving your work mate
i dont want to go fast , i just want to get up hills, without burning my legs and having to push. speed i dont need it, i got a motorbike licence,i had the fast bikes. motorbikes you can do over 200 mph. if you want speed. or if you got the money electric motorbikes.
Have any of the idiots who make the legislation actually tried it out?? Pedal assist is a joke and is deadly to any rider your perfectly correct the delay is too slow for start and stop
My ebike has been great over the past 6 months. I initially considered 250w but decided to go with a cheap 250w restricted 36v 500w kit. After a couple of months though as I got used to the acceleration power when restricted to 250w, I decided to remove the limiter and have it running at the full 500w/720w peak for the extra torque. After another month I decided to start shunt modding the kit and it’s currently peaking at 1500w(35A) at full charge. The battery definitely doesn’t like the draw and my range has suffered quite a lot on throttle only. Yes it’s illegal but I’ve had no issues from police despite riding past them quite often on my way to work(I don’t go mad, 16-17mph usually but it can reach around 25MPH when i’m helping it out.) The difference between 250w restricted and the way it is currently with the restrictor turned off it can easily get the front wheel up(a little too much as I found out earlier 😂)
The police couldn't be less interested in a Bicyclist if they tried. There is far more money and therefore interest in the police hiding in bushes catching grannies going 35mph in a 30 zone with camera's and issuing fines...
Appreciate the video. Please be aware that if an ebike has a throttle and or can exceed pedelec speed limits it is illegal. I know the police stopped me on this issue and tested bike.
I have a hybrid bike which has recently been serviced with new v brake pads and it stops fine..I'm tempted just to get a front hub motor say 500 and stick it on. I can't really be arsed taking off the crank shaft or the rear cassette.
@@ashab1 I ordered what I thought was a front hub but a rear one came so I ended up fitting that. I've not bothered with the crank shaft removal for pedal assist, I just use the throttle for my assist. The kit came with its own cassette so I just used that . The gears aren't properly indexed as a result but I can live with it.
Short video from London Bike that ev like this are sold with speed limit software built in and can be reduced to the 12mph legal road requirement for uk so what rules are now using to take ev cycle bikes off ppl at radum as some make there way to work and for the ppl doing delivery jobs Can't have biggest cycle shops selling these item for them to snatched off ppl for free
I had a 250watt foldable ebike and I found that fast enough, though I’m told due to the 20ins wheels they’r not as quick as an ebike with a 26ins wheel normal mountain bike. It made mist hills a breeze as well.
the 250w rule is garbage, the big 4 (bosch, broose, yamaha, shimano) all use the 250w mark on their motors but that is nominal, while in fact those motors usually run at 400 to 600w and can peak at 800 to 1000w, also in hill countries like portugal italy and spain 250w is not usable like in germany or holland as those countries are flat as pancakes, Eu needs to revise this whole law
Being illegal.and enforceable are two different things. They would have to stop virtually every delivery RIDER in London otherwise. I spoke to one guy the other day. He had a 750w motor on his bike. Capable of 28mph. He has never been stopped. The laws are retarded. Even road bike riders can cruise at 20 plus miles an hour.
They also gave me 250 watt stickers for my bafang mid 750 watts.i only use it off-road like😉.but ye the laws bollocks.rather than slow traffic down and dangerous overtaken n shit that doesn't happen when Ur bike goes 28 just under the speed limit in towns n shit. So going at just under the speed limits actually safer than crawling along at fkn 15 as your keeping up with traffic
Cadence sensor is ok on low power bikes like this but j much prefer torque sensor and more power. 15.5mph however ok off road is dangerous on the road because drivers get frustrated with you . But if you nust stay legal it has to be done ( throttle is illegal too ).
I'm actually getting more confused watching these. I want one but don't know what wattage whatnsize frame as i havent been on a bike since the 80s what price, torque, amp gours voltage damn. Any support would be nice
Hi, One thing I never hear you mention when talking about ebikes is what type of brakes you use. For ie, the make and model of brakes, as I assume you are using hydraulic disc brakes. Or correct if im wrong. I would like to know what you use and what you think of them with regards to stopping from speeds. Thanks, hope you can answer.
Anything over 500w I would always look to use hydraulic brakes, either new bike or very well serviced, working perfectly. I never upgrade anything just maintain
@@thatstory1092 not really I've even had some mechanical disc brakes that are better than hydraulic, I always test ride a bike before buying it see how the brakes feel, any mtb from 500 pounds upwards should have pretty good brakes as standard these days, unless you buy something unusual
Me personally: speed, not interested, i would rather be allowed to have more power, for the purpose of having much higher torque. Living in wales. there is nothing but hills and valleys
When did you get your 250w kit? My 1.5/2Kw hub arrived on the 18th Aug, and I'm still waiting for the battery to date. The speed legality issue is crap. On my recumbent trike, I get 45mph down one of my steepest country roads. And that's just pedal power. But the opposite direction is slower than walking pace coz you have to 'winch' your way up. The hub should remedy this and help me escape our local psycho tractor drivers, who hate cyclists.
have a bosch mid drive ebike pedal assist , yeah 15mph limit is just stupid as you can easily ride 20mph with no assist on any other bike, could do with finding some kind of derestrictor for it
Look up speed box, I’ve installed one on my emtb. You can completely unrestricted it, or you can restrict it at 20 mph 25, 28, 30 or whatever you want , it’s great fun even in the roads. I average about 22 mph on the roads when commuting 15 miles.
I have a conversion similar to yours which I bought last year. I am worried about getting caught in a good old UK downpour, and whether the electrics and battery will be ok. What's your exp?
Most of the LCD screens will eventually die if exposed to too much water so wrap a bag around the display if there might be rain showers on the day. Batteries and motors are sealed units and can handle rain. Obviously don't submerge anything and you'll be good.
I always think its better to have hydraulic brakes on anything 500w or above, but these mechanics disc brakes when working perfectly are pretty decent.
@@DudeStuff probably just get the 500w version. Although having the built in controller on the 250w is nice. Whats the shipping time like at the moment?
@@Starå.Luxanova Yeah, i caught him early on when he first started the s73 content, ive seen you comment on other ebike related vloggers a few times before, mostly DT's, im a brit though so i watch a lot of uk ebike stuff, ie steves stuff, andy kirby, vorteks, boots on the ground, moto machinez, ty xtra, london eats and many others etc. though im not averse to watching schreddie and dt and many others over the other side of the pond.
Cool beans! I've started watching DT when he first started his super 73 vlog last year. I also follow Brits vlogs on eBikes. Sad situation in Britain about the whole scene. Keep it underground!
Can anyone tell me how to get more power out of my ebike, its 250w motor 36v 12.5amp =450wh and 60torque.. I've heard I could put swop the 36v 12.5ah batery for 52v 20ah batery this would give it more speed and range is this true?
Okay thanks I'm just gony get the 2000w Andy kirby kit, I've watched your videos and I've heard the andy kirby kits are good quality so gony get the 2000w kit, thanks for advice 👍
Forgot to ask if I was to put bigger batery on bike I would need to change controller aswell wouldn't I? I'm getting the 2000w kit anyways but just wanted to know? There's alot of diff answers to this question when I tried to find out online its confusing, cheers
I wonder if any manufacturer makes a throttle that only works when pedaling, so you can have the nice smooth application of power but it just rides like a normal bicycle if you don't touch the throttle and also gets around any "rules and regulations".
Those rules and regulations are TOTALLY UNENFORCEABLE. So long as you arent tearing down the street on a scooter or electric scrambler at 25 plus Miles per hour. You arent likely to ever be stopped. I've been riding a 350w ADO A20 for 8 months. It can cover my round trip to work and back of 21 miles. Without me having to ever free pedal. But is also capable of 21mph when unlocked. If I see any police. I just pedal at no more than 15mph on PAS 3. Really nobody cares. There are thousands of delivery riders with souped up 500w PLUS ebikes. Flying around london at 20mph PLUS. Nobodies stopping them. RELAX. Once they see pedals and a chain. Nobody cares.
@@fender1000100 I have a 750 watt with no speed cutoff (probably closer to 1000 in practice, maximum power input is 1200 so that minus efficiency losses). Only time I got stopped was because my back light was running low and police were concerned I'd get hit by a car.
@@fender1000100 I know two people now given 6 points on the driving license for driving an unregistered vehicle without insurance (e scooter). I don't know any ebike riders but only have to Google to see many police forces doing the same to high powered ebike riders. Personally I value my driving license so will stay within 250w rated motor with peddle assist. I will however be taking a punt on using a thumb throttle as that is not so cut and dry on conversion kits.
@@briangilson apparently it's only up to 3.7 mph (walking pace) for pedal free throttle for later than 2016 models, although I doubt police would even know or care as long as you don't blast down pavements and do follow road rules and the bike doesn't look like a motorcycle too much, oh and you don't pull a wheelie off the lights.
Is anyone living near hull who could comvert my bike for me if i pay them and what would it cost i want it to go as fast as possible but throttle control and pedal assist also needs a decent battery length
Having massive nuts has always made long distant cycling rather challenging, even as a kid. A throttle only set up for me would be a game changer, legs still 😂. I have a home built pedal assist set up at the moment. As funds allow will change controller and add a throttle, current controller only has port for pas. Unless that would take a throttle? Good vids inspiring me to go bike only. I do need some better brakes.
P=VxI (Power, in Watts = Volts x Amps) If you change the battery voltage, the wattage goes up assuming the controller supplies the same amps. The motor doesn't determine the wattage.
In the UK I dont think E bikes are legal that can only operate off a throttle, unless built before 2016. Although plenty of companies sell kits that do claiming they are legal I have found my 250w kit does 20mph on throttle only
Odd as to why UK is so behind on the times. 15mph limit? How strange. I can do that without a motor. Think they would get with the future and encourage no emissions on the roads. My build is going to be a trek verve 3 with a diy kit. 1000w mid drive motor with 2 batteries . $2500 total.
@@jimjr9143 yup the UK laws around this is terrible. Like on my road bike going downhill I can be over 30mph easily but my ebike has to cut off at 15.5mph. they should allow pedal assist up to 28mph a ton of car drivers in cities would ditch the car and it would be great for the environment.
Nice build, I added a 250w tsdz2 mid drive to my hellcat, did have a rear hub on my old whyte 603, the mid drive feels more natural, the 250w is continuous draw but they can peak at 300w to 400w, the issue with these kits is the throttles are not legal in the uk unfortunately. But they are great fun
Debatable on the throttle, they are not legal on manufactured e-bikes made after 2016 but converting a bike is not so cut and dry, The DVLA said they wouldn't consider it a powered vehicle so long as it's 250w with pedal assist. They also said however that it might need to be tested in court at some point to get a solid answer. I'll be using a throttle on my 250w mid drive conversion.
@@RandomShart’ve been using a 52v, 21ah, 2350w on the road for 2 years almost. Had many lucky escapes, crashes and bumps but I’ve never got stick from any police. Ride sensibly. Bumps and crashes are eras to learn from especially with cars. It’s been so much fun and will always be. Aha
