I can’t believe this is $200 - Playstation Portal Review 

Thank. You. Every single person hyping this up just forgets that Sony has already done this and so much MORE.... For the SAME price 10 YEARS ago...

Yeah, I remember being very excited for the Vita... then the memory chips thing... and also the flop of the COD game didn't help. (though I'm not a COD gamer normally, a good shooter at launch would have been convincing).

@@Roofhack the uncharted game was great imo, and then there was best and last game to ever grace the wipeout series, wipeout 2048, i have thousands of hours in it, in my opinion it's the magnus opus of the entire genre that is anti-grav racing, god that thing is good, if it ever released on PC or any of the "big" playstations, i'd buy a playstation just for it, if you have a vita, you must pick it up, besides, they are easy as cake to homebrew, psp games are practically hardware compatable once you homebrew it too, you can pretty much run the entire psp firmware within a vita homebrew app

The vita was probably Sony's best ever console to date. Not from a hardware perspective, it's extremely outdated... I'm talking from a customer experience point. I remember having one when I was younger, then seeing new consoles... I'm on PC now. It's just easier, even if I need to miss out on exclusives because of it. :D

@@GoToSleep1993 same price? 10 years ago? I guess someone forgot about something called inflation.

stick drift...........sticks arent replacable and it doesnt use hall effect sticks so once it does drift (and it will) it'll be useless anyways

It is kinda baffling that they recently launched PS5 streaming, but you can't stream anything. If all the PS3, PS4 and PS5 games were streamable plus remote play I think it would be more well rounded.

stick problem, having to own a ps5, price (good price if it had these features but its doesn't), not being able to stream games with ps plus, not working with bad internet, having an airplane mode 😂, no bluetooth support, and not being a vita 2. idk why anyone would buy this

​@@Kenjionigodi agree

Like why would i buy a 200$ device when I can just stream on my phone,I just don't get it.

steam link is better i can even use it on my vr headset.

They didn't because Greedy Sony wants you to buy a overpriced 4 year old console with hardware from stone age

@@Aimero hardware from stone age? bruh its equivalent to a 3060~ which is the most popular GPU on PC. Which is $300 by itself, and the ps5 digital is only $400, so its not overpriced either.

@@Aimerothey already said they’re looking into it and want to add the feature

Sony has decided that they can make more money off of this concept by selling it as a console companion and forcing you into buying the games to go with it, which makes sense seeing as the hardware in the PS5 should also be manufacturable at profit now.

So I need to be near my ps5 to use this?

The portal can only connect to a PS5. It’s too much lag to stream to a PS5 and then re-stream it to a portal. Also from a technical perspective the PS5 can’t play HEVC at 4k at the same time it encodes HEVC at 1080p. Now perhaps one day it can stream directly from the servers.

Servers cost would increase

@@JuanSinMiedo441 People pay for the streaming service already. If you have the capacity to stream to a console, you have the capacity to… stream to a console.

@@joemamr710 You're right. What people are talking about though is the ability to stream games from PS+ to the PS Portal directly.

That's an issue with his particular setup. It sounds like his Portal is connecting to a 2.4 GHz AP instead of 5 GHz. I'm getting around 16-32ms total for my Portal. Most of which is from hardware encode/decode than the actual WiFi connection (1-3ms WiFi latency). Or he may have the PS5 connected to a display via HDMI as this is commonly reported to be a major source of input delay.

I think Critical Linus went on honeymoon as optimistic Linus wants a cloud peripheral gaming device, I'm constantly asking where is critical Linus that's dunking on the obviously stupid hologram badge device thing, but that could have interesting potential features to showcase. Something some podcast people asked a while ago when it came to a similar device like this, who is this for? I honestly don't know who this kind of device is for, Most console peeps would much prefer the big screen couch experience rather then a small device like this. Only thing I could see is parents who want their kids off the big screen to play the Playstation on, but I also don't see those kinds of parents forking over 200 dollars for that kind of solution at that price they'd just buy a cheap TV. As it wouldn't be more accident breaking prone. Every time I look at this and see the specs for this I'm reminded of the WiiU, there's a reason that Nintendo abandoned that concept.

@@SamWulfignYou are really overthinking this far too hard. Isn't it obvious who this is for? It's exactly what they market it as on the box. It's for people who own a PS5, but want the best PlayStation Remote Play experience with a DualSense-based handheld. There is nothing out there that offers the same quality of experience for this. I'm not sure why you'd think to generalize an entire group of people as wanting to play games in one and only one location in their household on a single TV. Why do you think people like the Nintendo Switch so much? People want this for all the same reasons they like playing games on the Switch. Maybe the wife is watching TV and you want to sit with her while playing your games. Or vice versa, maybe you want to watch something while the wife plays a game on the handheld. Maybe you want to play PS5 games from the comfort of bed instead of sitting in the living room. Perhaps there are some genres of games that you prefer playing in handheld, and others that you prefer on the TV. Or perhaps you're more in the mood to play with a handheld. I'm sure a lot of people want to bring their PS5 games with them to the toilet. As far as children are concerned, I'm sure there are many children that'd enjoy the same kinds of perks to having the option of playing games in handheld mode. But this is likely going to be more appealing to working adults.

@@mmstick The reason people like the Nintendo switch so much is it's a portable console on the go... this isn't a Console. What people really wanted was the next Sony handheld, this isn't it.

@@SamWulfignYou've clearly missed the point entirely.

Especially when that 150ms latency (which I assume is also on top of your internet latency) makes it unplayable for the games I like to play, Rocket League, online shooters etc.

its mostly for future proofing

I can testify to latency. My use case was Quest 3 with a direct connection from my PC's wireless card (Intel AX1690). The latency added by encoding/decoding the Air Link from my machine? 3 milliseconds. I could not perceive the difference in VR, coming from the original Rift and Rift S, and boundary setup is simple as gazing around your room. Despite holding out hope for a SteamVR standalone headset, Meta knocked it out of the park.

You expect LTT do know stuff? They are just marketing for companies at this point

@@jakub7244why would they market for a company that A. doesn’t sponsor them, and B. They literally criticise all disadvantages of the hardware and bad decisions.

Same price as the dual sense edge though. Basically just another specialized controller. My only actual gripe is I can’t use media apps like Netflix on it and I don’t really like it’s charging port. It needs some kind of shield over it to protect the cable from wiggling and damaging the port. Some kind of magnetic cable would have been nice or wireless charging. Wifi 6 would have been nice too, I get most people don’t have it but it would help future proof it a bit. Lack of Bluetooth is what it is - can’t even do it with PS4/5.

​@@rickybobby5153 Exactly, specialized controller are over priced garbage for fan boys

Streaming in any way is not a "massive improvement" Streaming is the bare minimum Sony could have done. Real hardware would be a massive improvement.

Exactly

That's the thing. For the price this should have either been a full fledge console that can play it's own games or play your PS games from your account without having to connect ri your PS5. Or it should have been a lot cheaper in its current form. If this thing was $100 (realistically just a little bit more expensive than a Dualsense controller.) I think it'd be much easier to accept it for what it can do.

The vita cost almost twice as much, in 2012 dollars, and it had no L2/R2, so it sucked at playing games, and it had no haptic feedback or adaptive triggers. And of course the stream was low bitrate 540p. It sucked and there was a reason it flopped. The portal is a much better device than the vita, even if it’s not perfect by today’s standards. All of like to see is an OLED screen and it’d be perfect.

@@joemamr710 I'm not going to deny that the Vita was overpriced or that it's remote play features were not nearly as good as modern day devices. But saying that the Playstation Portal, a device that does not have its own library of games and can only be used as a gaming accessory to the PS5 , is a better device than the Vita is wild. The Vita had its own library of games. Sure it was lacking variety, but there were a lot of good games in there. Not to mention you could play a wide selection of digital PSP, PS1, and minis on it. You could browse the Internet, it has apps like RU-vid, Netflix, ect. And could do remote play (which, yes it sucked but it could still do it, on top of everything else.) The portal can just stream your PS5 games. How in the hell is it a better device? If your PS5 dies you just have a $200 paper weight. You can't even hack or modify it to do anything else. Which, once you hack the Vita it can do even more than it already did.

@@MrSupersonic2012 Streaming PS5 games is the only thing that people WANT to do, in the playstation handheld environment. That is why the vita failed. If the vita were a 1080p PS4 streaming device that cost half as much it would have probably sold more, just like the PS portal is selling out all over the place for months now. It's not 2006 anymore. Game companies can't develop for that many platforms. It's too expensive and time consuming to add all these platforms. Sony and Microsoft have one single API for their consoles, unless the portal was 100% fully compatible with PS5 games it was never going to get a good library, just like the vita never got one. There is no market for cut down playstation games, and the vita proved that. There is a market for very high quality streaming devices though.

​@@joemamr710hit the nail in the coffin there. I bought the Portal and I couldnt be happier about it. The market doesnt want a ps portal with cut down Playstation games where most developers dont even bother developing Games for it, exactly like it was with the vita. I think the people who hate on the Portal are all Pc masterrace guys. The Portal is a cheap and good working Option to play Ps5 games in your bed or where ever you are comfortable. People like me for example , like it to just pick up the portal and play a few hours on it. Its a much easier barrier to entry to play just a few hours, often times I dont have the energy to sit on my chair at my desk and play on the monitor. I rather play in my bed for a few hours. I totally get that this is not for everyone, alot of people dont get it because they rather play on the monitor, and then it is obviously pointless to buy it. But to hate it because its not a device for them is dumb. The price imo is fair, it works very good for me, the delay is very playable and sony worked on the delay to make it better than on a Smartphone or tablet. The delay is much better than on the Ps Remote Play app. The criticism about no Bluetooth though is absolutely warranted, and the excuse of delay is dumb. Sony did what the Switch did for a long time, lock Bluetooth on the Software side. They just could of gave people the choice to use Bluetooth with delay.

At that point you might as well want to get other portable consoles or get retro emulation consoles which can also do cloud gaming.

When it's on clearance a year or two from now I'll definitely pick one up

The thing is, $50-$100 might not be a lot of money to YOU, but to a LOT of people that is literally several months worth of income saved up.

Lmao they’d be losing money at $100, to $150. Steam doesn’t sell via retailers, hence how it’s able to have lower price points but even so, it’s still significantly more expensive ($150 is definitely significant). If they were selling with retailers, it’d be even more expensive (think $75+ more expensive).

This ... get a steamdeck and dont look back. if this would do the streaming PLUS be a modern PS Vita. they would have had a winner here. but yeah. steamdeck trounces this hard unless you only ever play PS5 games.

Yeap, a good entry level 200$ phone does much more then this

It’s useless

This is how I felt after buying the PSVR2 when I learned its not compatible with any VR media. Don't get me wrong, it does what it's meant to do REALLY well, but considering I spent more money on it than the PS5 itself I don't see why Sony restricted so many features. I'm just left confused.. Like, if anyone made VR with native 3D Blu-ray compatibility you'd expect it to be Sony.

a $200 phone has haptic feedback and dualsense triggers? @@Tigerhearty

The price is part of the problem. I can get behind a very limited product as long as it works fine and it's priced correctly. They are charging you $200 for what basically is a $70 DualSense with a screen and cheap SoC. The cost breakdown in this video is wrong on so many levels. $150 would've been a fair retail price.

If I could plug it into a pc or something as an external display I wouldn't mind being cabled down. But if you have shit internet and you use this, you're screwed. Literally unusable product here in australia where our internet is horse shit

jesus youre slow LMAO

@@kronostvx LMAO

My thoughts exactly. And the controllers aren't removable like the non lite nintendo switch. It could've been more than that, even if it would mean to cost a bit more.

@@killertruth186 why tf does the controllers need to be removable genius. if someone wanted a portal they would already need a ps5 that already comes WITH a ps5 dualsense.

I mean, this is not even cloud gaming. It's connecting to your PS5 and it's streaming from that rather than a server. So, you own local internet can be a bottleneck if it isn't a good connection.

Also the second it has stuck drift you more than likely have to throw the whole thing away, If it's out of warranty. There's to little people buy so there it will be hard or expensive for any shop to repair a more complex and niche device

I bet you were still one of those that poo pooed Google Stadia

Backbone and the PS app aren't as stable as the Portal though in my experience with both

The Portal’s not supposed to be for Cloud Gaming to begin with

Lower latency requires DFS via 160mhz bonding on 5G. Guard interval on WIFI5/AC is technically faster otherwise (400 vs 800ns), at least with the 80mhz standard limitation per block. PS5 is a 80mhz Device. The biggest benefit to a newer gen Router is honestly faster internal clock speeds from QCA/BCM HW, but there will always be outliers. IE: Some flagship WIFI5 routers being technically superior all around outside of internal Network processing being stuck at 800mhz.. WIFI6 gen pushed internal processing to 1.5-1.7 for flagship devices. In general, WIFI6 has around a 10%~ improvement for QAM bonding via same block config. WIF5 routers capable of 80+80 DFS (not technically 160mhz) can do like 2133mbps with Same QAM config/compatible flagship Router via 2x2 client.. WIFI6 is 2400mbps. PS: WIFI5 Beamfoams.. Has since 2013-2014 with Broadcom hardware.

neither are enough to make game streaming good

@@journeyfms WIFI5 is fine for the use case considering the PS5 is a 80mhz device with standard channel certification. Only benefit from AX would be a 10%~ improvement at same QAM spec vs range. This is mostly due to guard interval changes from AC> AX like I mentioned above. Would only be better if DFS worked on PS5/PS portal. Local Interference is a general WIFI problem. I would point to other things more so than "WIFI5" being the problem, though the hardware itself could just be weak..

@@user-pz2gw1on4i I don't need you to break down the technology, I already know all of that. I used to Portal myself and it sucks on 80mhz, 40mhz, 160mhz anything on 5 or 6ghz, sucks 1 inch away from a WiFi 5 or 6 router, even if the PS5 is plugged in with Ethernet. Just a terrible device for the current Internet technology in this world.

Does playing FPS games suck?

exactly

The Wii u is a console though. How is this the same?

Not for the first time either the psp could remote play to the ps3 The vita could remote play to the ps3 and the ps4

@@rorynolan2322 Use your head... PS5 to Portal is like the WiiU to the Controller with the Screen. It's almost exactly the same product. So much so, I'm surprised Linus didn't mention it. "Sony's WiiU has landed."

@@rorynolan2322 probably because it's similar to the Wii U controller which had a built in screen and did the same thing.

@Agent067 you do know the controller wasn't the console right?. it just had a built in screen

besides, saying you already pay as much for just the controller is nothing but a major point *against* the *controller* . the whole price justification segment is a bit of a joke

What about stick drift? Modern controllers are not known for their quality. If it was built like the fancy controller with removable sticks the price would make more sense. @@gidelix

@@MADCATMK3103 just grab a hall effect controller instead, can get a good one for like 60

not a defend but if there's an 8-Inch screen handheld with rumble as good as the ps5 controller that's as portable as the ps portal is less than 200$? i would like to buy that.

That's laughable that you think a Retroid or even an Ayn Odin is comparable to a DualSense handheld with a high quality 8" 1080p display with official PS remote play support.

Even better, you can mod a switch lite and get ps remote play on it AS WELL AS PS+ streaming, game pass, and still ply switch games. Lol

​@@kristopherthompson1342switch lite modding is a pain in the ass.

Technically you still have to buy games for PS5, so your point is valid

@@kristopherthompson1342true but then you have to game at 720p on a smaller screen.

The people that this device targets already have switches, most likely switch OLEDs even. If you own a PS5 and are interested in a PS Portal, you want a PS Portal specifically to play PS5 games off TV.

One of the head employees mentioned they want to get it right before launching on the Portal. The Beta for PS5 Cloud Streaming to it's launch wasn't that long. I think it will be added mid next year or so.

@@Rowann1 it says USD right next to it

@@ZackMuffinManYeah my bad, didnt get that far into the video yet. That price is the CAD price though so they must have just mixed up the two.

Where I live it's like 470 dollars 💀

This is exactly what I was thinking. There is going to be a non-zero quantity of low income parents who can't afford a PS5, so they'll buy this thing for their kids. Just in time for the Holidays.

@@Busterblade20 A "non-zero quantity?" Bruh. Yeah, I bet this is going to happen a lot and it's rough but it isn't Sony's problem. Hopefully the kids and/or parents don't smash it in frustration and the stores have a good returns policy.

Very valid point. There should be a big red sticker on the packaging with "requires a PS5 console" in big block letters.

Isn't that the parent's responsibility to do research before spending money on something though?

@@MobikSaysStuff Yes it is, but most people (not just parent) are very unsavvy with tech and even those that are can find it hard to keep up. Just a clear disclaimer that you need the full console to be able to use it should kind of be the minimum expectation here for Sony.

Thing is if you have an android tablet then you can just buy a clip to clip onto your tablet and PS5 controller and then you got a PS portal that can do all the things you want it to do

@@Tyreker Honestly though I dislike the weight distribution of a phone on the top of one of those clips. So i'd hate having a tablet attached like that. I'd rather have the weight in the center like a backbone, but with a way bigger screen.

@@Yodagamer1it’d be cool if Sony sold this but without the center screen portion, basically the controller cut in half with an adjustable center piece to fit a tablet

Just buy a smartphone, they are really popular these days.

@r710 I really dislike gaming on phones tbh, I'd rather have a dedicated device for it so i'd rather not.

I was interested recently in the Xbox elite controller. Is it really good? The reviews online are not good at all, mainly because everyone writes there are many defects coming up within a short period of time

mind you the XBOX elite controller is also hot garbage that breaks every 2 weeks... but at least the battery life there lasts more than 2 hours they are both awful controllers tho

​@@nathanaelniklaus2981 I'd recommend the Razor Wolverine 1 controller, you can get it pretty cheap these days n' personally the best controller I've used didn't care for the Official elite that broke when I took the wire out once.

@@nathanaelniklaus2981 The first generation of it had the grip peeling off for my friend (which sucked because I bought it for his birthday) but the second generation has served me and my friend well with no issue. That's an anecdote from 2 people so your mileage still vary. I really enjoy the controller and don't regret the purchase at all.

​@@jesusbarrera6916 mine lasted four months before the left bumper stops functioning, I sent in twice to customer service and they only last a few days before going bad again, so I just self repaired, and it's been fine for the last five months now, so... Whatever the hell Microsoft is doing is worse than my self repair of putting some isopropyl alcohol into the button.

What do you mean by "unusual case scenario"? Basically every single family fits that "niche" scenario. If the family owns only one PS5 and it's in the living room then this device is useful.

@@Jehty21 what he meant by "really niche and unusual case scenario" is "it wouldnt apply to me and saying it like this helps my argument".

@@Jehty21 The issue is why wouldn't you use the other devices that you already have to remote play? Also, if there is only one ps5 in a single family and you're talking about people fighting over the tv and the ps5 then you could.. just buy a tv for the price of the portal and just use that instead.. The only thing the portal really have going for it is the better controller and ergonomic which may be worth $200 for some people but I honestly don't see it for most. Then you got other cloud handheld that you could probably remote play from for a similar price that have way better battery life (and you can actually stream from the cloud on them). It gets really hard to justify this specific product if you just look at the options out there.

@@Jehty21And that’s the only place it can be played. If you try to connect to a public WiFi hotspot out in the world you can’t even connect because there’s no web browser to display the interstitial page. Such a ridiculous oversight, just to prevent people from using it on competing game streaming services.

@@Shadowninja1200 What other devices? Maybe if the kid has a laptop for school? But other than that? I wouldn't want to play on a smartphone. And many parents don't want their children to have a TV in their bedroom. So buying a second TV is not an option. A handheld console with a decent controller for $200? Can you name one?

Is it a Tab A7? I have one and it's pretty good (I like that it has four speakers), but I have never used it for game steaming before.

But you can take the Wii U anywhere and hook it up to the WiFi and just play? No you can’t.

the Wii U only works within about 30 ft to and 720p

Not quite a fair comparison but not completely wrong either

The switch is more portable than ps portal also don't need 2 entire systems to play if I. Wanted ps5 I'll just get that I'm not gonna spend 700 just to play ps5 games over what could be laggy to begin with

They will have likely had to have engineered the PS5 hardware to support such a thing though, and this is pretty clearly something they’re tacking on. But given how limited this device is-and really, it’s not something that is going to deliver a decent experience over WAN; that is marketing nonsense-it should have been much cheaper.

Don’t forget you can also Remote Play to any laptop with your Dualsense. I can’t think of a scenario where the awkwardly shaped Portal is more convenient to lug around than a laptop + controller. You need a case or a backpack either way. It’s not like the Portal fits in your pocket.

They are bought by Sony. Just sold their arses for a pocket of green paper to convince that shoit is not shoit.

Exactly. Very true. It's just a further locked down version of the same thing. And the performance isn't even that great to make up for it. Laggy, blocky and 150ms despite being on the same network. Moonlight and Sunshine is substantially better. You'd think a first party product which has the sole purpose of streaming from one device on the network would be better than this.

Sony must have paid big bucks for this level of shill.

Yeah UFDtechs coverage is largely the same here. Something fishy is going on. This product is just straight trash. Even the price justification. For a little more you can just buy a Steam Deck with a better screen and way more features and better battery life

Yes because the vita is known for being a massive success! The reality is nobody wants to make games for a portable outside of the switch. Nobody wants another entirely separate platform, they want full console games on the go.

​@joemamr710 a quick Google search says the Vita was a massive marketing failure...

@@joemamr710 PS Vita sold 16 million copies which is probably 16 times what this pathetic device will sell 😂and who said they have to be a seperate platform? If they were to make a PSP / Vita, they would definitely follow the trend of other handhelds popping up that can do "console games on the go". Maybe think before you cry next time lil pup 💀

@@HK1_11 PS Vita sold 10 million, and it was pathetically low. The portal will probably outsell it, despite also requiring a ps5. It's simply a much better and more practical device in todays world. The vita was nothing more than a below average android tablet with crappy thin joysticks, no vibration, no L2/R2, and very bad and low res 504p remote play, and I have the OLED one and bought it at launch. They already made a PSP2, and it was the vita, and Sony themselves said it was a massive failure, and a PSP3 would definitely do worse in today's world. It's too hard to develop for that many disparate platforms.

Another big problem with this device (and the marketing) is most ordinary people's WiFi setups are bad. LTT tested this in pretty ideal conditions, close to the PS5, which was likely connected to ethernet, but they didnt even mention this... It's kind of a big miss in the review to not even test the streaming quality in different situations when the whole experience you have with the device is likely dependent on your Wi-Fi....

It's about a 10ms improvement, in this situation it would made little difference.

@@kraaitje closeness to PS5 doesn't matter, its closeness to router

@@kraaitje Yes this video was not very well. I would also have like to know how good the experience is if you use 4g or 5g mobile network via a hotspot with your phone.

Also, Wifi 6 is better than Wifi 5 at range, it holds higher speeds at the same distance, very noticeable.

No vita 2, get this! *slaps portal* ©Sony

Especially considering that the PSVita was equally priced at $199 soon after launch

They should have made a new psp with backwards compatibility for the ps2 (if they were able to give the first one backwards compatibility with the ps1 I'm sure they could pull this off, hell they could probably do ps3 too) and psp and ps vita obviously. Let people download the old games for like 5-10 dollars, it's not like the devs need to do literally anything to them other than have an intern run through them once to make sure they function. Boom you now have a handheld with a massive library of good, popular and affordable games out of the gate. Do you know how many people would kill for a handheld that can do native ps2?

well if the leaks about sony and qualcome "the makers of the snapdragon CPU for phones" to be believed. i think we should get one soon

When Sony pull their heads out of their read end...

How does a device thats meant to be portable in 2023 not have captive portal support??? You can’t justify why not.

​@@newellslab The reason is because the browser is a common way to find exploits to jailbreak the devices. Even the Switch makes you wait like 5 minutes trying to connect to a network before giving you a browser. At least there are other ways to share Wi-Fi if it comes to it.

I dont agree with linus there. latency 150ms is quite allot. and you can clearly feel it even if you arent playing any competetive game

Oh you'll feel it. But gotta be realistic

For what it's worth I think Linus's LAN is probably the issue here and not the device.

Yeah idk how theyre caculating the entire chain, ik moonlight gets me a 8, 8, so 16 ms added to the regular pc latency. At 120fps, and that is very playable on a controller.

absolutely, that would get annoying fast! and next to unplayable for anything slightly competitive

Yet this device can't even do cloud streaming . . . It's worth even less than a cloud streaming device but Sony wants $200 for it?!

The Deck has shown that pricey handhelds are way too niche to be profitable.

@@MorrisseyMuse how so? have you seen the sales numbers for the deck? they were so bad that valve just released a new updated one, are you high on copium or what?

It would have been 600 or even more (prob 800) to do what exactly? To play ps5 games at 1080p??? Or lower? 60hz max? For 2 hours?

​@@MeaningPlum1995the deck hasnt even sold 5 million 😂, I swear everybody with a deck is on youtube 😂, the switch 2 will annihalete the deck

@@SWOTHDRA So you're saying the Steamdeck, which was estimated to sell 3 million units at ~400 dollars each (nearing half a billion in sales), which directly ties buyers into the Steam infrastructure just by buying it... is a failure, and Sony has no business doing something similar with Playstation and their streaming library at a lower price. Yet you laud the Switch which is literally the same thing but for Nintendo and runs much less powerful games natively.

Also have to remember that Sony pretty regularly puts the Dualsense on sale for $50 USD

That is not at all how margin works. And misses the point being made. Each component supplier has to make their own margin, then the retail and distributers also need to make margin. It's not double dipping, these are separate companies along the supply chain.

@@robertt9825 Except Sony makes the controller, which has mostly the same components except the SOC and the screen. Linus used the retail price of the DualSense, plus retail prices for all those components, and still looked for margins. I agree with OP, the margins are there already.

@@giangallo Sony doesn't make individual components. They buy them from from various vendors.

@@robertt9825 But since Sony is buying in bulk in the ten to hundred thousands the cost for each components are much much lower than their retail price. The dual sense controllers for example probably cost them 30-40 bucks for manufacturing (excluding R&D) at most if they want to even make a profit.

I think they were talking about end-to-end latency, not network alone

This is the whole chain not a ping test. - LS

​​@@LinusTechTipsyeah - that's still unusually high. Moonlight stats show 33ms (steam shows less but I don't think they're inclusive of everything) with all latencies added up together for me right now in a 1440p stream, albeit I'm next to the AP. Even accounting for decode times, display latency, input lag AND THEN network on top - that's still considerably high.

PS5 Remote Play feels very laggy to me too. I tried it on 4 different phones/tablets and the latency felt awful on all of them. Yet Steam Link feels reasonable by comparison so I don't think it's my router. Actually I tried playing Hollow Knight via PS Remote Play too and the lag was so bad that it was unplayable. I was really hoping the PS Portal would have some special hardware to connect to the PS5 directly like the Wii U.

Wonder how many parents bought it finding out you need to have a PS5 to use it haha Oh and you can only use official Sony earbuds which are $100+.

​@@Anastasia2048wait no headset?

200 bucks though ....

@@silvafox07 indeed... if given the choice between the two, I would say the Portal. If I had to pay, I would choose neither 😄

Latency, unlike the Wii U gamepad

Luke 12:13-21 The Parable of the Rich Fool 13 Then one from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” 14 But He said to him, “Man, who made Me a judge or an arbitrator over you?” 15 And He said to them, *“Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.”* 16 Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully. 17 And he thought within himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops?’ 18 So he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all my crops and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry.” ’ 20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?’ 21 “So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.” Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, *and covetousness, which is idolatry:* From the 1773 Rothschild 25 Point Plan 2. Preach “Liberalism” to usurp political power. --2 Peter 2:19-20 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 3. Initiate class warfare. 7. Use Mob Psychology to control the masses. “Without absolute despotism one cannot rule efficiently.” 8. Advocate the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption and all forms of vice, used systematically by “agenteurs” to corrupt the youth. 15. Infiltrate Freemasonry to take advantage of the Grand Orient Lodges to cloak the true nature of their work in philanthropy. *Spread their atheistic-materialistic ideology amongst the "Goyim" (gentiles).* Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

While true... How many of us have an 8-in screen on our phones?v I've been contemplating getting an 8-in eink tablet for reading books and taking notes because I want something with a bigger screen than my phone has.

@@aaronlandry3947 I'm sure there are a few scenarios where a Portal would perfectly fit someone's needs, but there are so many other devices out there that can do so much more, like tablets, android retro handhelds, and PC handhelds (some of which have screens that are just as big or even bigger) that it's hard to see many use cases where a Portal wouldn't be more frivolous than practical.

@@aaronlandry3947 i don't know about 8 inches, but most phones are 6 inches or larger now. and given that those 2 inches aren't doing a ton, which you shouldn't care about anyway because nobody should need to pay for a whole device for 2 inches of display.

​​@@aaronlandry3947then someone could get a tablet and a controller and be better off..sure might be a lil bit more expensive but u get to stream and everything else...or just get a steamdeck that can do it too

​@@aaronlandry3947buy tablet and use your dualsense from ps5

Right :D why play on this when you have tv in front of you :D I bet playing in metro, or backseat of car on higway is really pleasure experience :D

​@@tomaslacus8086not everyone has a TV Infront of them whenever they want it

@@akumakurosawa If what you want is to play video game while not annoying your kids or wife, for that price point, why not buy a Switch then?

@@gundamzerostrike I like the Switch, but you have to buy new games, new accessories, etc. And it can't play every game either.

@@akumakurosawaif your wife and kids are at home why wouldn’t you know chill with them? Do you really need to spend every second looking at a small screen?

the price of admission linus talks about is way more worth it for a steam deck. and if you dont have a ps5 its cheaper depending on the model you get

While more expensive, the Steam Deck can natively not just games, but also other productivity apps. Plus you can use the Steam Deck as an extra monitor or even its own standalone pc.

Just adding Bluetooth and a web browser (so you could connect to public wifi) would already help a ton. It wouldn't make it great, but at least it wouldn't be insultingly bad

I played Stray on my steam deck and natively it would run at 40fps, but streaming from my PC it was a perfect 60fps with no noticeable lag

Chiaki4 deck is what ya want. It allows ya to use the steamdeck trrackpads in place of the dual senses track pad

Yeah you can use Chiaki to stream from your PS5 to your steam deck too.

Parsec will help with this

Steamdeck is way too expensive though, this Portal is definitely a cheaper alternative for those that want to play anywhere in their house or at a friend's house.

Kind of hard to walk around the house with a 65in TV.

​@@joemamr710OK, maybe, but have you considered how awesome that is going to be for your biceps? :v

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That sounds like a Sony Wii U. Never was a big fan of segregated HUD elements or a-like between the 2 displays and i kinda understand why it has not made a comeback. Changing between looking at the TV and looking at the controller which is on your hands really takes away from the gaming experience IMO. It worked on the DS cause the two screens where 1cm apart, it was more like a long screen with a big bezzle in the middle.

those were the best wii u games, ones that properly used the function of the controller screen as an extension of the ui like inventory and menus

It's almost like.....the Wii U 😂

That's exactly what I was thinking

Yea. atleast when nintendo did it they didnt try to sell you something to solve the problem they created (atleast i dont think they did)

Bluetooth does suck for gaming though. I've tried it many times and it's unbearable. I absolutely hate it. I have tried many adapters, many headphones, aptX protocol, everything. And the audio is always noticeably behind the video and sounds like crap. I have no problem with bluetooth for video or music, and use it multiple times a day every day, but I will not use bluetooth for gaming. It is unbearable.

​@@CentreMetrethey did

I get the warranty at gamestop and switch mine out every year before it expires lol.

They use PSVR2 sticks, which are less prone to drift than the ones in the regular DualSense controller.

Why do I feel like the only person on the internet who doesn't get stick drift problems? I have 2 dualsense, a steam deck, a switch and a switch lite. The only problem I have across all those sticks is the switch lite's feel mushy and don't spring back as well as they used to. But they do not drift at rest. Not trying to say people aren't having real problems but it sounds insane to me that people out there are changing sticks every 8 months.

@@scrub_jayYou're not. I still have a launch day PS5 controller that's just fine. Own three DualSense pads now and none of them have drift. Never had issue with drift on the Switch either.

@@scrub_jay My shortest record was 5 months for one of my old Dualshock 4's. I went through 7 of those over the course of 4 years.

Love it when I see people who don’t understand how the world works.

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Agreed! I used a razer Kishi and a iPhone 11 before buying a rog ally. Very enjoyable and playable experience!

An 8-inch screen is way better for console games than a smaller phone screen. That is just the flat-out truth.

​@Tempo1337 A bigger screen is better, but it is cheap.

The backbone is absolutely not the way. Smartphones make for terrible displays for games. You only get ~4" of usable display area due to the unusual aspect ratio. It also drains your battery while constantly giving you annoying popup notifications. Don't mix games with your personal phone. The Backbone by itself is upwards to $120, and to get an 8" 16:9 screen you'd need to invest in a $200-300 Android tablet. You also instantly lose support for the official Playstation Remote Play app since it requires a DualSense pad. So you have to pay for an unofficial third party app to emulate the DualSense support poorly. At that point, you've just committed to wasting a lot of cash for a sub-par experience.

@@Tempo1337 so buy a tablet then

The thing is, the Portal is $200, but PS+ premium is $160 a year, and adding up both of those things gets you to $360 which is nearly the price of a PS5 digital. And you'd also need a pretty decent internet connection for cloud streaming. So, I don't think cloud streaming on the Portal would undercut console sales. The main reason is probably due to the fact that the PS Portal runs some version of Android, and there is currently no Android app for PS+ cloud streaming. So, they could be developing an Android app right now. Sony did just release cloud streaming for PS5 games, but only on PS5, so I guess they're working towards an Android app.

@@ginatailsthat’s true. And they probably is hesitant to develop the app, because if someone manages to mod their portal. They could probably extract the app. And mod it. And they don’t want this in every android phone users hand.

thats why the pc app remains shitty... lmao you cant even search for a game, in 2023. you have scroll through alphabetically

Because you'd have to Stream.... That's why.

it dosent look like the portal is really usable without a ps5 in the first place though. so you need a ps5 and a portal anyway.

It's Nintendo so it's still shit value

I agree. My happiness with latency starts to suffer around 30 ms latency so 150 ms latency would appear acceptable for playing Chess or card games.

Thats almost a full roll worth of iFrames in dark souls…

So basically a switch made by Sony 🤣

exactly@@luffytaro689

@@luffytaro689except switch can play its own games

Yep, they showed the prices of components including the profit margin, because they are the final prices for consumers. Sony probably already makes some $20 with every Dualsense sold for example, so the extra $50 of profit margin they argue at the end of this LTT "calculation" would be on top of all those individual profits. They are either being dumb or disingenuous, Sony is probably selling these with a pretty large markup, and it's terrible value for consumers.

@@Veon1 Sony is getting way more than $20 over the controller, do you think during sale like at $50 they are loosing money? Their cost is probably less than $10 per controller so their margin usually is over 600% (and honestly I don't even like the controller itself, tiring on hands, is doing shitty job with fighting games and battery life is quite limited, and yes ofc I bought one to try it).

Right. This is like figuring out the cost of a car by going to your local auto parts store and buying every single piece off the rack. By this logic, you could justify the cost of basically any exhorbitantly priced bit of tech. You need to compare its price to devices that can do the same thing, like the backbone, or devices that do more than it, like the steam deck. And in that context, it is way too expensive to compete with gaming tablets/phone controller setups, and lacks way too many features to compare to a full handheld like the Deck. No shade to anyone who wants one or buys one. If I had a PS5, I probably would. But the price is too high.

I mean it's going to be a few ms of a difference. Can't really see any scenario where that's worth an extra $200 if u have a steam deck lol

Other than no adaptive trigger and weaker rumble probably comparable, and Deck would probably last longer battery-wise. That is until $ony bans Chiaki as a desperate push for Project Q(uit).

@voidmain7902 There'd also be the fact you'd need to port forward in order to use it outside of your internet.

Yeah, I'm a little irritated that they don't bring up Chiaki at all. It turns any PC, including handheld PCs like the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, Lenovo Go, etc., into a Portal that can do more. And they can do this without any of the limitations. You can use your own Bluetooth headphones, a browser for public wifi sign-ins, other controllers and dongles, VPNs, and do stand-alone things like run other games. So spend 200 bucks to only play PS5 games remotely and nothing else, or pay a little bit more for something that does the same and much more.

​@@mda187the reason why it doesn't get mentioned because its a hassle to setup

you can can't you? your ps5 acts as it normally would, just sit infront of your tv and it should work

You can use it as a controller. I play split screen zombies with my wife and with her controller connected she’s watching the tv(still split screen) and while using the portal I can still watch the tv and play or play thru the portal. Only problem is the screen on the portal is split screen too so it’s even smaller 😂

Why u lion son

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​@@clappedshinobi2863wow they couldn't even properly copy the Wii U

They live in one of the richest cities in the world so it's expected that they're completely out of touch with things like pricing and internet speeds. I've got 5mb download here in UK, and my family with "high speed fibre optic" in the city get 30mb down which STILL isn't enough for this device. 😂

@@lmperiozyou gotta find a better provider. I’m with community fibre and get 1gbps, first year is free and then it’s £30 a month after that.

they never leave office when they test usefulness of this :D

Even with the best Wifi network he still getting 150ms lag which is horrible, watching the lag in real time and calling it playable was a joke.

​@@lmperioz over 50% of UK homes have access to gigabit broadband, going up to 85% by 2025.

Nobody wants to spend the inevitable time tinkering and optimising to get a program to work on the Deck with its awful Proton setup, so streaming on Deck is always going to be a niche, just like the device itself

I don't want a stream deck but I want this. They also don't serve the same purpose. There isn't even much crossover in the libraries of games.

I would say no, it doesn't beat the steamdeck for the price. Primarily because the steamdeck is a standalone console, the portal is just a screen your Ps5 connects to. I'm not spending US$700 + the price of a portable router just to get the Portal to function outside the house. A steamdeck would be cheaper and more functional to set up if we're comparing the Portal to actual consoles, and not thinking of it in the same light as just another TV screen As a screen and nothing else, ok. Go for it if you already have a Ps5 and are confident your WiFi isn't going to have issues streaming. If you're looking for it to be a console though.... it's not a console and would be way too expensive setting it up to be an appealing option over anything that is a proper handheld console.

I think that's the same argument as used in PC vs console gaming. I would never buy a console again because PC master race. But people still buy consoles. Even though of the limitations of them. Other people prefer consoles over PCs for various reasons. So I guess if you are a PC gamer than the Steamdeck is the obvious choice. But for console gamers? For starters a steamdeck can't play PS5 exclusives.

@@MorrisseyMuse It's just as easy to stream on a smartphone with backbone. Logitech cloud handheld seems to have no issue doing it either, Neither does a laptop, and so on. All these options I mentioned also do actual cloud streaming too so you're not just limited to the play-station library.

How is a 1000 dollar phone and 60 dollar controller a cheaper alternative lol

@@L_Zant cause you already have you phone, whether or not you have a ps5

​@@assassinfan1000what if I don't have a phone but have a playstation

​@@Yelo88get better priorities

@@bobu6966 uh what if i want a portal because portal.

the tablet was literally bundled in with the wii u and the best use case games had for it was putting a minimap there no way developers are going out of their way to add features to their game for a $200 accessory which no one bought