I Cracked 8 Vintage PSA Cards and Submitted to SGC. Here Are the Results...

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@tommayrant2279 2 месяца назад

That '67 Mantle was definitely the deal maker! Thanks for taking the time to do this experiment! Have a very successful National!

@jimfalkler9361 2 месяца назад

Hi Chris. I think vintage cards look great in SGC slabs. Thank you for sharing the video.

@parkimports 2 месяца назад

I haven't really collected cards since 2009. SGC has made collecting fun for me again with their pricing, turnaround times, & overall solid reputation in the collecting community. Thanks for the video.

@whitesoxfancardcollector 2 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing this with us. I think many of us believed this was a good idea.

@markstein1916 2 месяца назад

Not only did you receive better/more consistent grades... the aesthetics and overall presentation of the cards is infinitely better in the SGC slabs. So much more attractive than the unflattering PSA slabs, it's not even close. People are finally waking up to this, it seems.

@Johndeplume. 2 месяца назад

Another fantastic upload, Chris. It certainly reinforces, to me at least, the subjecte nature of card grading, and the pitfalls of a company that is a clear market-leader (when you crunch the numbers). Keep up the great content, and thank you for sharing your experiments with us all. Very educational!

@southern7002x 2 месяца назад

Nice video Chris! Recently, I had some vintage cards I was considering sending to SGC for grading. You convinced me that was the right choice after watching your PSA reveal video a month ago. Two of the cards were a 1967 Topps Hank Aaron #250 and a 1971 Topps Hank Aaron #400, both in PSA 6. I cracked both of them and sent five additional cards (7 total) to SGC a couple of weeks ago. The order returned today and both of the Aaron cards received a grade of SGC 7.5. Based on the average VCP price this equated to a $125 increase in value for the ‘71 and a $200 plus increase in value for the ‘67. As others have mentioned, they also look great in SGC slabs. All these cards were PC for me.

@DiamondyardSportscards 2 месяца назад

Great video, Chris. Further community evidence PSA’s 19 year-old graders are ill trained, overworked, and careless.

@theboringchannel2027 2 месяца назад

1964 Jim Brown, the Pink Cadillac in the background is his personal car. You will find other cards from that year of his team mates in front of the same car.

@jeffsmith989 2 месяца назад

I've been a card dealer since the late 80s. My first 10 years of submitting to PSA I was 90% spot on with my grading. The last 10 years it has dropped to around 80%. Which tells me there is definitely some inconsistenties of late. I use a loop and literally triple check my vintage submissions. The worst thing i remember was when PSA decided to go to half grades. I sent in a bunch of high end 8s hoping for 8.5s. Two came back 7s? Unfortunately Bird/Magic rookie and a 67 Clemente. So then I cracked and sent to Beckett and both came back 8.5s. Quite a hassle but just shows the inconsistencies.

@adambye2531 2 месяца назад

I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I’ve been saying for years that these grading companies are pop controlling those Ray Benge cards.

@collectorinvestordealer 2 месяца назад

Haha love it

@matthewelliott2213 2 месяца назад

I mean, it's easy to see once you realize the grader hates the Packers... just rearrange the letters of Ray Benge and you get Green Bay... hence the low score...😂😅🤣😆

@bdablader95 2 месяца назад

PSA pop controls pokemon, especially XY Evolutions, that's the set responsible for the PSA backup in 2020, clowns were sending in thousands of cards try to get a Gemed master set or hundreds of charizards to pass off to the clowns who think it'll be the next Vase set😂

@robinrahmani4705 2 месяца назад

Wouldn’t be surprised if that is the case. Also, I trust SGC more than PSA when it comes to vintage. I also believe the SGC slab looks better when it comes to vintage. I hope collectors stop giving PSA a big edge when it comes to valuation of vintage cards. They should be held in equal regard

@diegomeredith-marquez929 2 месяца назад

A few years ago, a RU-vid channel by the name of Vintage Card Curator made a number of videos scrutinizing PSA's practices ("pop control" allegations, authenticating and grading altered cards, etc.). Well worth checking out even in 2024.

@georgetravlos1499 2 месяца назад

You did the right thing on this. Nice work listening to the comments! Even though the Jordan wasn't part of the original 8 card experiment, you should look at that as a positive in SGC's favor as well!

@gabriels1163 2 месяца назад

They look sooo much better in sgc slabs. I can't imagine choosing psa over sgc for a personal collection

@mookiechillson 2 месяца назад

I have found that SGC grades consistently reflect SGC standards more accurately. this experiment confirms my own anecdotal observation. I think this is a perfect example of why, for collectors, SGC has been taking market share away from PSA: their grades and our eyeballs are in harmony.

@Mr.JonDoE 2 месяца назад

Thier grades are slightly higher but bring slightly less money it's almost beautiful how it all works out so harmonic the card in psa holder with a 4 brings same money as the card in sgc 5 it actually is one aspect of grading that this 1 time made complete sense

@josephdill3776 2 месяца назад

Totally agree…..about 2 months after the 2022 induction, I sent a Tony Oliva 1963 Topps rookie to PSA. They gave it a 4 and I assumed it would be a 6 or 7, based off of recent ones that had been graded. I cracked it and sent it to SGC and got a 7.5 on it And at that point, ir had been about 4 months post-induction. I then sold the card (on eBay) for $427 and looked the next week and saw that a PSA 5 had sold for $378. The discrepancy in prices IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS between PSA & SGC. Imo the SGC slabs look WAAAAAAAAY BETTER on most vintage. They grade more fairly and they’re quicker. I wish people would wake up and see that PSA IS A GIANT PONZI SCHEME, built by the hobby elite (who spend so much $ with PSA that they get grades that us collecting peons could never afford). PSA is the sports card equivalent of governmental kickbacks!!! It is DISGRACEFUL!

@matthewgreeley3099 2 месяца назад

@@Mr.JonDoEagree. From MY experience I believe SGC grades easier.

@jeffkoll4002 2 месяца назад

I have graded with all the four major grading companies. My experience mirrors yours, in that I have seen more inconsistencies with PSA grades than any of the other companies. To call them puzzlers is interesting. I have cracked a few to get comparisons like you did in this video. My experience has been that it’s more like a two grade miss from PSA, so a little bit more off than what you had in this sample. To be clear, I don’t think PSA gets it wrong every time. But when they miss, it seems to be relatively egregious. Thanks for all of your videos! I really enjoy all of your content.

@jpcards 2 месяца назад

Really interesting results, yet not all that surprising. Thanks for taking the time to follow through with this, it's very helpful.

@wheetie7 2 месяца назад

Good job chris!! Hope you offer more of these for us following

@SACRJC 2 месяца назад

Agree with you on multiple points. If I were in your position, I think I would go completely with SGC on vintage cards. Use PSA for the modern, only because of the resale value.

@tonyhamilton9764 2 месяца назад

The eye appeal on the Doer makes it a premium seller. Put it next to any other 2.5 with edge wear, etc. and this one will sell first every time. It looks so good. Also on a mini documentary or short for PSA they showed them using a scanner. Possibly small creases are seen in a scan and not to the naked eye? The cards in general have great eye appeal.

@stuke1976 2 месяца назад

Appreciate the experiment, Chris! From my experience, PSA is usually at what I expect or higher, SGC a grade lower, but consistant. There are certain graders at PSA that grade lower than expected too.

@Final50Meters 2 месяца назад

SGC is the way to go. Thanks for the info. GREAT VID!

@JC-pu7gi 2 месяца назад

I did the same Please Submit Again and every card got 1 to 3.5 better I don’t trust these people with my cards GO SGC

@Eugene67 2 месяца назад

One item of note - if you are afraid of damaging the card when you crack it out from the slab (like I am), for the same $15 grading fee you can send the slabbed cards to SGC and specify the lowest grade you will accept in your "crossover" attempt to an SGC holder. This will take a bit longer than the regular 5-10 day business day turnaround time but may be worth it if you want to maintain the current grade in a PSA slab. I've used this service a few times and you can include a crossover attempt in your regular raw card SGC grading submissions.

@williambartenslager4134 2 месяца назад

Do you think it affects the grade they issue, for example, SGC sees the card in a PSA 3 slab, and figure they shouldn’t grade it much higher?

@trollerskater 2 месяца назад

A lot of people think the current grade will affect the grader which is why they crack them. Most people will tell you there’s very low success with crossovers

@RobertLee-wi5kc 2 месяца назад

I think it is human nature to look closely but I doubt that all of his cards would have gotten the bump perhaps a few but you can't unsee the PSA grades so it has to affect it.

@MrJmangini 2 месяца назад

Rumor is that’s Jim Brown’s Caddy in the background.

@dynamitelii501 2 месяца назад

That 100% is his Pink Caddilac, he requested that he be photographed with it behind him.

@gridironstars 2 месяца назад

Check out the rest of the Browns from that set. All of them have the parking lot background. LOL

@RWorfel1 2 месяца назад

That is NOT Jim Brown’s Cadillac in the background. 100%

@RWorfel1 2 месяца назад

@@gridironstarscorrect, it was Not his car

@craigs.t.3321 2 месяца назад

Not sure if you financially benefited as much your chart says…. Even one grade lower I wouldn’t be shocked if the PSA copy would’ve sold for higher anyway. But def improvement in the brooks psa 3 and mantle authentic. Great video!!

@thomasshenton577 Месяц назад

It's not what you know, it's who you know. Fact's 💯

@pocketfullgold 2 месяца назад

I trust Chris and his experience over whoever did the grading for psa. Proves psa is not to be trusted. Yet people slavishly send them their cards.

@DansVintageBaseballPC 2 месяца назад

As one of the original commenters who suggested this, I feel kind of vindicated. With the caveats that I know 1) you know the hobby better than I do 2) do this for a living, and 3) PSA resale is generally higher than SGC, I still feel like some of your takeaways match my personal experience. SGC is faster, more consistent, has better customer service, and seems to understand vintage grading better than PSA. If this experiment causes you to use SGC more frequently for vintage than previously, I feel like its going to benefit you more financially and benefit the hobby, as your influence would help other vintage collectors. Thanks as always for your transparent, fair, and well presented videos.

@drobertnigh946 2 месяца назад

Exactly my experience after grading hundreds of cards with both companies. SGC now gets the bulk of my business as a result

@nyyanks7 2 месяца назад

Saw the end of the video got my answer. Thanks for the video.

@bops5555 2 месяца назад

I am totally with you on this one Chris I recently sent a Jake lamotta leaf rookie in to P S.A. And it came get back ungraded, Then I cracked it and sent it to SCG, it came back a 5 P S.A. Has really become inconsistent

@roycehuffman399 2 месяца назад

You are very polite, Chris. "Puzzler" sounds like a euphemism for "wrong."

@dmf1914 2 месяца назад

No, not "wrong" but tougher graders. I rather buy those slabs.

@Aut0KAD 2 месяца назад

in general, I subtract 1 from the grade on SGC which mostly lines up with this

@davidbrasfield6720 2 месяца назад

Appreciate the experiment. I submitted nice 1938 churchman joe louis and jack johnson to psa and they came back 3s. I cracked and resubmitted to psa again and one came back a 5 and 6. Different graders i guess. Nice to get the grades i expected. Too bad only psa made money on the deal.

@oximo_ 2 месяца назад

Chris you didn’t pick any outliers. Its well-known PSA has become super strict on vintage as of late. Although it sucks to have a low-grade, the well-known vintage collector will know the difference between a new and old serial number. The condition contrast is so vast. I’ve seen quite a range of sales history vary between the same card/grades depending on how recently it was submitted.

@chrishayes4166 2 месяца назад

That Goudey looked rough in the PSA slab I had a feeling you were SOL on that one with the resub even with SGC's slightly easier usual results. The 2 looks appropriate to me with those rounded corners (surface obviously tougher to gauge via video). I will pay at/near PSA same grade prices for high eye appeal/centered SGC though.

@kennethschumacher7078 2 месяца назад

I sent 15 cards to PSA and was majorly disappointed . Some of them I am the original owner and I've had since I was a kid and they were kept in an album . I had a Jerry rice rookie , Steve Young rookie's that were absolutely beautiful . Sharp corners very well centered and came back with moderate grades . Next time I will go to Beckett or SGC

@WinningScore-e6z 2 месяца назад

Great video, thanks for sharing this one!

@RawGradeFlip 2 месяца назад

It would be interesting to assign the research department the task of taking one of your recent PSA vintage orders and comping out the PSA grade values, the equivalent SGC grade value and maybe SGC +1 grade values and then see in theory what would have been best to send to.

@TheCardDeal 2 месяца назад

Gotta factor in your time as well. I did this with similar order, 10 vintage cards SGC VS PSA, mine was done in reverse.

@marcamy 2 месяца назад

Jim's caddy was a 9 back in that day of the photograph. Today it has no original parts, and does not run, so it's now an "Authentic Altered". ;)

@TalkingBallCards 2 месяца назад

Very cool experiment! SGC gets most of my vintage and I do pretty well value wise. They just get it right more often.

@Mr.JonDoE 2 месяца назад

The authentic bump to 4.5 was the hit. The rest made absolutely no difference. The bump makes up for the sgc price difference from psa this is the 1 time i actually have to say grading was in balance the psa 5 was worth about the same as sgc 6. For once the grading makes sense. Please more video's like this to help people understand it is what it is but its level across the board.

@imamisfit445 2 месяца назад

They just sit back, collect the money and hope people resend them back to collect more.

@kevinheckeler 2 месяца назад

There's often no other explanation than this. And I'm not one for wearing tin foil hats. Or PSA is just so bad at what they do. Either way, this reflects poorly on them.

@scottstuber5857 2 месяца назад

I have always felt that SGC gives vintage cards the grade(s) they deserve, and PSA gives vintage cards 1-2 grades lower then they deserve. This logic seems to hold true based on your video findings.

@TheCardDeal 2 месяца назад

I wish that were true, myself and thousands more would be buying anything PSA under 6 and crossing flipping. Maybe they are doing it...time will tell.

@markstein1916 2 месяца назад

Chris, you are sooooo polite! Sorry you had to waste more time and money on grading, due to PSA's incompetence. But perhaps you'll make it back if/when you go to sell these cards with their proper new grades. Thanks for the update!

@tartuffethespry 2 месяца назад

This basically validated PSAs thoughts when you consider SGC is usually a little softer

@Cards-In-The-Closet 2 месяца назад

I’m of the opinion that PSA was softer, and recently started to get get harder.

@kevinheckeler 2 месяца назад

Or... SGC is in line with proper, industry grading standards and PSA is heading off the deep end in overcompensating and going TOO strict. There's charts that outline what constitutes an approximate grade for each major card feature (centering, corners, edges, etc). These things have been known for 75 years in collecting. When Chris says "I think this should get a # ", that's the historic data/standard he's pulling from.

@scottyboy6269 2 месяца назад

Psa waaay softer, clear dimples on cards getting 10’s. people use psa for their horrid grading standards

@thomasshenton577 Месяц назад

Beckett brings more value... Real collector's want that. J.s

@brutusonbaseball 2 месяца назад

Great analysis, thanks Chris!

@approachingtarget.4503 2 месяца назад

I'll stick with old faithful. Mint,good,fair,used. The way it has been graded by those who lived it.

@andrewg5672 2 месяца назад

I think i would have to DISAGREE with you on a previous point you made that psa is grading tougher to meet the demands of the market. They are clearly grading tougher in order to skew and control pop reports as this is reflected in your grade assessment, SGCs and even mine (i thought most were way undergraded by psa as well just by eye test). In no way did psa reflect what any of us thought and knowing the trends of the market where psa high grade brings top dollar, their actions actively prove that. It is major a statistical anomaly to have most cards grade higher and not a single one grade lower. Literally near impossible unless they are making a statement to selectively make things more difficult to grade higher. Earlier you said their standards have changed as the consumer have changed, but this is NOT what consumers want and its unfortunate what you had to go through. The only way now is to grade SGC or alternative, and it starts with dealers like you... I would put personal values over card value and psa obviously just doesnt care anymore as they get backlogged and raise prices with near none customer service, subpar standards, and artificially lowering grades as is the case here. They dont care anymore so why should we?

@kc8767 2 месяца назад

Overall vintage just looks better in SGC slab

@stuckin66 2 месяца назад

Your experience with PSA crossovers to SGC is similar to mine. Try higher end card crossovers (PSA 7-9) as well... you'll be pleased and surprised.

@willg.2045 2 месяца назад

Definitely interesting results, particularly with some cards that were close in grades, but SGC was never below the PSA grade. I assume the Doerr and Benge have some hard-to-see wrinkle that is obvious under magnification but not to the naked eye. I wonder if the PSA guarantee makes them particularly tough graders, particularly after PSA was purchased by a large company that wanted to reign in any grade guarantee claims and make the guarantee less of a liability.

@adamlee1562 2 месяца назад

I would argue you would have also gotten similar results just sending back to PSA. Would be an interesting for a second test for the "puzzlers". Just got a small order back with a heavy percentage of "puzzlers" myself. Used to be just one or two per order, this last one was 40% of the order total head scratchers

@jp82cards30 2 месяца назад

those Doerr grades are a joke, a very minor stain on the back of the card should not knock that down so low.. i can see it being a 6-7 range knocked down to like a 4-5, but 2 suggests it's almost ruined

@lovetruth1776 2 месяца назад

Seems like sgc saw the same micro defects as psa but gave you a higher grade for centering.

@djtsuks863 2 месяца назад

It may well be Brown's Caddy in the background. But the reason it's there is Philadelphia used that generic photo as the background for many of the Brown's cards that year(it's an obvious photoshop).

@Philly_Joe 2 месяца назад

Thank you for the very interesting experement! Other than the Mantle, I would have not cracked the PSA slabs and resubmitted - risk / reward not woth it to me.. PS - Mntle is probably worth abot $100 more non-auction from when yoiur analysis was done. Good stuff!!!

@dynamitelii501 2 месяца назад

Are you using magnification when looking these over? As always, SGC actually gives you what you pay for when you submit. PSA tends to only give around 60-80% of what you pay for...great company to support along with all the lemmings!

@Mountainrock70 2 месяца назад

Ive found I like my cards in one screw or magnetic holders best. Anyone who has collected a long time can look at a card and be within a grade at worst case. No need to waste our money. Sure go grade that Mantel RC but… I have a lot more cards, because I don’t give my money to graders.

@phillipmcdoniel2236 2 месяца назад

PSA continues to be harsh on vintage, thanks for sharing this

@goldennuggetofwisdom5068 Месяц назад

You didn't add the psa grading costs. Did u buy them already slabbed?

@theboringchannel2027 2 месяца назад

The PSA order with the 8 bad grades, did you notice where it was shipped from? CA or NJ ?

@dot2562 2 месяца назад

shoulda send dem back to psa and check out their.... consistancy

@pjt03 2 месяца назад

SGC certainly has more integrity w/ grades imo

@adamscardcloset9020 2 месяца назад

Agree sgc is more consistent with their cards

@juanharrington2109 2 месяца назад

I have been collecting for along time and have yet to send any of my PC cards to get graded with concerns over the different grading companies practices. I am curious on vintage cards if they grade based on the time period of the card at all. My opinion a grading of a modern card vs vintage should be different. A modern card graded a 10 is not equal to a 10 of a vintage card coming from lets says 1959. Printing practices, packaging, etc were different back then compared to now. What are your thoughts on the differences?

@David-fv7zg 2 месяца назад

Did I hear you say you submitted PSA grades to SGC as well? I couldn't tell from the rewind, if so, Im not sure this would be a fair eval, I would like to see them go with no info.

@kevinheckeler 2 месяца назад

You didn't factor the cost (and loss) of the original PSA grading into the equation. Had you not sent them to PSA in the first place you'd be well ahead versus now where you effectively paid them to drop the ball. It's definitely a feather in SGC's cap if you don't want to roll the dice with PSA's "outlier" results, which for all you know could be more often than you might realize.

@Red-mp3to 2 месяца назад

The problem is obvious...and I'll state the obvious. The problem is that the "major companies" rely on human beings to complete the grading. So naturally you'll get, and continue to get, puzzlers. I'm convinced the only accurate rating would be through these computer generated grading companies (ie: TAG, AGS, etc). I refuse and will NEVER submit any of my cards to PSA, SGC or any other human graded company. I've watched too many of these sort of videos and have learned that lesson without having to spend one penny.

@twoshedsjohnson8540 2 месяца назад

My last 2 PSA submissions have seriously turned me off to getting cards graded as an investment business model. Any grading "surprises" were always a worse grade than expected, never higher. Just too many "puzzlers" that got me pretty pissed. I have one more submission and that will be the last chance for PSA. If I get burned there, I'll be closing my account with them.

@garygor1960 2 месяца назад

@@twoshedsjohnson8540 do you use a magnifying glass for the corners and edges? Do you measure at least to 1/64 of an inch tolerance?

@twoshedsjohnson8540 2 месяца назад

@@garygor1960 I do use a lighted magnifying glass and am thorough checking corners/edges/surface. Will say though that PSA contacted me about my recent submission and wanted me to confirm/accept 3 grades that would push the value of the graded card over the dollar limit for that submission. Getting them back today, so excited to see if this will be a redemption for them. Crossing my fingers.

@bobo44donemilking51 2 месяца назад

Great video,I haven't sent any vintage to PSA in 2 years

@danielstovall8664 2 месяца назад

I honestly was just thinking about this all this week. I have probably about 10 big vintage cards that have qualifiers from PSA and I’m definitely busting them out and sending them to SGC.💪🏽👍🏽🤲🏽

@blaneevans803 2 месяца назад

Good idea. I had a Doby rookie in a PSA 1 holder with a MK qualifier. It actually wasn’t a mark but was printing ink. Sent it to SGC and got a 1.5 with no qualifier.

@jamesgillem1294 2 месяца назад

They look so much better in the tux PSA = Please Send Again

@championship_sports-vv9dm 2 месяца назад

CHRIS - Where did that PSA order come back from? I tend to get a fairly high % of the grades correct, but I have noticed something recently. I have been keeping an eye on where my PSA orders are coming back from. I am in CA and have sent in multiple submissions to PSA (at the same time) and some have been getting graded and sent back from LA while others were graded and sent back from New Jersey. First, I don't understand why PSA doesn't just post a Jersey address so we can all just use two locations and cut down on return times. It seems like it would cost them more money and not be worth it to risk shipping orders from LA to Jersey when they are behind, but what do I know. Anyway, my orders that come back from New Jersey always seem like they are graded more harshly. This wasn't just one order, but multiple, and then I noticed it was the case when talking to friends and seeing their results. I have also seen a video or two online where the people said how low their grades seemed and they happened to mention their order came back from Jersey. I am sure not every card is low, but seems like some inconsistency coming out of two different locations. Looking at your grades, I know Brooks Robinson doesn't sell for a ton like other big stars, but I am surprised it jumped from a 3 to a 5.5 and only increased $50. I'd just think it would be more. Last thing, a side note - I think there is too small a gap between 3's and 4's in value. Not that people should run out and buy 4's or anything. However, given that a 3 is the highest grade a card can get if it has a wrinkle, I would think 4's would have more of a jump in value. Not that every 3 has a wrinkle, but it's the first thing I look for on a 3 and I think there is definitely a line between 3 and below and a 4 and above. Just my 2 cents.

@collectorinvestordealer 2 месяца назад

I did not notice where it was sent back from but I'll pay attention to that moving forward.

@kurts6741 2 месяца назад

More proof that grading is subjective, which is why I have a problem with grading.

@fortysomething7667 2 месяца назад

How much was it to grade those cards with psa? Any extortion fees that psa is known for?

@farrenthorpe 2 месяца назад

Do you use different lights or magnifying glasses or rulers to analyze card condition before sending them in? I'm often surprised how lighting can change the way I assess card condition.

@collectorinvestordealer 2 месяца назад

I do not but maybe thats something I should consider.

@sethanderson3130 2 месяца назад

Besides the '67 Mantle, you wouldn't have gained anything from submitting to SGC--therefore, PSA would still make the most sense financially for reselling. However, you did get video revenue I assume for this project so it was worth the effort. I love this type of video segment you create. Thank you

@markstein1916 2 месяца назад

Re-selling is not the only factor. Anyone who wants to display their cards (and isn't vision-impaired) would prefer the aesthetics of the SGC slab. And recent data shows SGC quickly gaining ground + even surpassing PSA in many cases.

@jonathanbeyer7852 2 месяца назад

The grading business has become a racket. It’s like DeBeers and the diamond industry. Control the supply - control the price.

@dcsoda1 2 месяца назад

You see how many cards these companies are grading each month right? You really think they’re that organized to “control the supply”?

@jonathanbeyer7852 2 месяца назад

@@dcsoda1 Maybe? However, don’t you think it’s possible they have all the submissions and grades entered into a spread sheet data base ? The technology is there to track population etc… look at the Topps 78’ Nolan Ryan #400 for proof. And look at who is getting the highest grades. It isn’t “John Doe” The table is tilted - the game is rigged.

@dcsoda1 2 месяца назад

@@jonathanbeyer7852 indeed I do not think that’s possible. Or worth the level of effort you’re describing.

@matthew1072a 2 месяца назад

The one grade higher on average is typical because PSA grades tougher and why they sell for more. The authentic is because PSA looks at every card under a blue light in a dark room which SGC does not! They are not as thorough. PSA saw something on it which is very common for older cards. Also you CANNOT look at these cards with your naked eye and expect to see what the graders are seeing with a loupe.

@chucksadler9968 2 месяца назад

Ive sent card to psa expecting an 8 and received a 10. Ive also sent in perfect cards that come back as an 8. One batch gets an accurate grade and the next is all over the place. Their quality control and consistency is garbage for the past few years.

@nathanmulkey 2 месяца назад

NOPE

@jeffniles7121 2 месяца назад

Have you seen some PSA 10 off centered. PSA owns you literally

@richardbianco9674 2 месяца назад

@matthew1072a that is completely wrong. Differing light sources is used by all the major grading companies and has been talked about by them. The authentic was because psa deemed it to small. Which back then was common and expected considering the printing and cutting processes used back then.

@matthew1072a 2 месяца назад

@@jeffniles7121look at their grading standards. It’s printed on the website. It literally says a 10 can be 60/40. They have been know for going easier on centering for decades.

@warderjack 2 месяца назад

Those 1998 Upper Deck Black Diamonds look great, but are a tough grade. I'm making a set of football from that year, and it's hard to do much better than 8/8.5.

@RobertLee-wi5kc 2 месяца назад

Question is how do you get the respective prices? Market movers? I ask because on Ebay 4.5 SGC on Mantle sold at 338 and 350 about 6 weeks ago.

@collectorinvestordealer 2 месяца назад

I used vintagecardprices.com which takes the average of all recent sales across all major platforms.

@RobertLee-wi5kc 2 месяца назад

@@collectorinvestordealer Thanx I will check it out!!

@bourbonbeltcards6392 2 месяца назад

I’d love to own the Doerr if you’re selling, Chris!

@dzenitahujic9149 2 месяца назад

4 out of the Top 5 All time high selling cards are in a SGC Holder. When it used to be dominated by PSA. Things have changed

@nathanmulkey 2 месяца назад

I sure hope they continue to change......

@jeffniles7121 2 месяца назад

@@nathanmulkeyIt will

@aarond23 2 месяца назад

I think its interesting they were all so close

@Freakmeal 2 месяца назад

Geez, it feels like that grading vintage is just tough-on-tough. Obviously, looking in, I can't feel these cards, but I feel like you could have got a grade one higher on many of these cards.

@scottvaughn9 2 месяца назад

Curious if the PSA slabs you cracked out were the newer (tougher to crack out) ones? Also curious if you considered just running them up the flagpole again at PSA? There’s unfortunately a lot of randomness to the PSA graders and I feel like a lot of folks with a reselling goal in mind try PSA a couple times before moving to SGC. Hopefully graders notes becomes a more common thing across all submission levels in the future.

@collectorinvestordealer 2 месяца назад

They were not the newer harder-to-crack cases. I really do not crack almost ever, so I didn't really consider resending to PSA.

@bretiverson4698 2 месяца назад

@collectorinvestordealer Chris, would you consider selling the 1968 Koosman/Ryan? Thanks Bret

@JoshHallUtah 2 месяца назад

Chris, really nice work as usual. This was really interesting. I don't know if you're familiar with my Frank Robinson rookie situation, I can send you the details. It's pretty wild. They're Just wildly inconsistent. It depends on the greater. It makes me wonder if long-term AI is the answer...

@collectorinvestordealer 2 месяца назад

I am not familiar with your Frank Robinson RC

@JoshHallUtah 2 месяца назад

@@collectorinvestordealer I didn't think so I'll show you the story it was quite the grading adventure

@jordanmouw878 2 месяца назад

And they all went up on appearance being in a TUX!

@Kbunk_Youth_Football_Wrestling 2 месяца назад

I would think most low to mid grade vintage would be the best for SGC in terms of being a dealer. There's not a big difference in prices as those cards usually aren't something that set registry people are looking for. Also, a lot of collectors of those types of cards already use SGC or don't have any issue with buying the slabs....they usually aren't as wedded to PSA.

@richardbianco9674 2 месяца назад

@Kbunk_Youth_Football_Wrestling bingo. When sgc finally gets it's set registry together, this may change though. But that is the one major factor especially with higher graded cards

@wheetie7 2 месяца назад

I think the answers really really easy for you. Low grade vintage is more properly graded. . Less cost. ... And comes back quicker. That is probably a No brainer

@sw1217 2 месяца назад

hard to argue with your logic

@richardbianco9674 2 месяца назад

@wheetie7 that was my original point the first time. Ironically they logic fits even more on modern. With sgc not upcharging on cards 2000 or newer, the grading cost can be vastly different.

@RCA_Dome 2 месяца назад

Guy. What if you cracked out and re-sent back to PSA? Get lucky and get a normal grader not on their pms?

@noloanryanfan34 2 месяца назад

Are you going to ebay that Ryan rookie? I'm interested.

@jimbobrobertson3285 2 месяца назад

As always, thanks for the videos!! Super helpful, I will be using SGC for vintage

@AtomicZombieAndroid 2 месяца назад

haha, win win win! psa sgc and you all made money

@mikekrantz7436 2 месяца назад

As a collector/investor who never sells, I only submit to SGC.

@thesummerhummer 2 месяца назад

genuinely curious, if your never selling and just for PC why waste money grading

@richardbianco9674 2 месяца назад

@@thesummerhummer protection and authentication would be why most do

@ACD1994 2 месяца назад

@@richardbianco9674 Except, PSA and SGC too, have graded trimmed and altered cards

@corfreaky 2 месяца назад

What would you say are your situational requirements for submitting one to SGC versus PSA?

@kenrogers1948 2 месяца назад

The only issue that i have with your experiment is that I have subbed hundreds of times with SGC and PSA and it has been my experience that SGC is more lenient than PSA regarding corners, so I would expect this batch to do a little better with SGC... In your original post I felt that there were several blunted corners in this collection that you missed or discounted... Usually, vintage cards are similar in most respects: corner condition matches surface condition matches edges, etc... But this lot has really nice surfaces and while that's good the grading process is one of subtraction, so i think the blunted corners are the culprit here... thanks for the vid!

@nathanmulkey 2 месяца назад

not sure you are enlightening Mr. Chris Sewall. I'm guessing he absolutely did not "miss" or "discount" this vintage batch.

@kenrogers1948 2 месяца назад

@@nathanmulkey Anyone who grades lots of vintage cards overlooks defects from time to time(myself included)... I think my comments were pretty constructive and I doubt Chris will understand them as anything else...

@chrisojeda7377 2 месяца назад

I think we can all agree that BGS is out of the question when it comes to vintage. I feel like PSA phoning it in since the boom. I have seen way too many videos where people will crack a PSA (7,8 or 9) and resub and obtain a PSA 10. That's ridiculous. I know PSA values etc...,but SGC js more accurate when it comes to vintage.