You and Alex are on the leading edge of EV reviewers. When you two speak, people respect what you say. You have earned it. Can't wait to try out that magna ride for myself.
@@anthonyarcher7268 completely disagree. Interesting that you feel this way; probably best you don’t watch; not how I raised him and you are way off base. Kyle speaks his mind; good or bad and calls it as he sees it. Enjoy your day
Please Do Not Stop On Twisty Mountain Roads! Another car reviewer coming around a corner only to get surprised by you stopped in the middle of the road in the middle of a blind turn is a problem. Even when you pulled to the side of the road, you were significantly still in the road. We all have an obligation to the safety of ourselves and others when testing on public roads. I can’t stand regulations, I much prefer self monitoring but for that to work, everyone needs to be processing awareness outside of themselves. Love the review and the real world evaluation! Excellent
@@mike3271 not a chance. My Mach e was delivered to my dealer on the 20th, unfortunately though Ford issued a recall on the 18th regarding rear seat anchor and I can't take it home until they fix it. Which will be sometime the first week of January. If you order a Mach E you can purchase the car via the ford app or website and avoid the dealership financial person.
@@didiermejia780 I am in the same boat!!! My car got to the dealer the day before the recall but they waited to call me until the next day to come get it and when i was on my way there they called me and told me to turn around because they just found out about the stop sale. I ordered mine July but I am still nervous the dealer is going to try some BS to get me to pay extra somehow, either from addons or just an extra fee. I know the dealer is charging extra for all Mach-e they sell, but I wouldnt think they have the balls to try it on an ordered car, but you never know with these stealerships!!!!
Terrific review and cool to see the enthusiasm for the Mach-E GT! It's hard to imagine the Mach-E and Taycan being mentioned in the same sentence let alone being compared against each other to buy, yet here we are.
Dude.... I've been really excited about this as well. And have been looking forward to driving it next week in Croatia at the European launch... but now I just may order one before even driving it! 😅🤩
Can't wait to see what you think of it! The Mach-E GT is a performance crossover EV that is *just* within stretching distance for families already considering a mid-level EV and more relatable than a Taycan.
Kyle, you are killing it! Your recent reviews of the Lucid Air, the Mercedes EQS and now the Mustang MachE-GT performance is an EV enthusiast's dream! Nice going on landing early drives in those excellent cars!!
You mentioned the Model Y interior noise wasn't as you liked it and that stuck in my head. How is the interior noise in the performance edition of the GT in comparison? Great vid, big thumbs up 👍👍
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry Teslas are definitely quieter in the 2021 Model year vs 2020s, but there's still more noise and ride harshness than there should be. Exactly why I went to ID4 and couldn't be happier.
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry I test drove the model y in July, road noise was quite with the double pane glass and driving felt pretty smooth to me. I am coming from a rav 4 which have a pretty harsh drive.
Great review, good to see someone who has spent a bit of time in the regular Mach E models and noting the differences since that was my only comparison point when ordering my GT back in May. Mine should be showing up any day now and this has me even more amped.
Kyle you are just hilarious and exhausted Kyle has his thought filter dialed down a bit more. I’m so glad to hear the GTPE suspension is light years improved. However still concerned about thermal management. I might need to trade in my First Edition for the GTPE. Or… wait for the EV6 GT?
Awesome review/video. This looks like a really great car. Now on to the bad. I really want a Mach-E and I was looking at one of the lower trims as that is what I can afford. After seeing this review I REALLY want the GTPE. I knew about the GTPE before but figured I didn't need it. Now I NEED IT. Time to go find some stuff to sell.
I just ordered a GT, and actually chose *not* to go with the Performance Edition. I did want the Magnaride, but the racing seats were too, say, narrow for my family, I didn't want summer tires, and won't ever take it to a track (and Long Island lacks canyons). Ford didn't give the suspension alone as an option, and the package cost was too high for options I *really* didn't want. I want a sporty car, but not a sports car given how and where I drive. I'm confident that the base GT will be a good choice. Thanks for your review!
Wow, small world. I also ordered the non -performance version, for similar reasons as you mentioned except I didn’t want the MagneRide suspension- with no evidence to support this just a hunch I felt like it was more likely to break than a standard suspension and more expensive to repair. As I’m not racing around a track or taking quick turns regularly I didn’t think it was needed. I do love the wheels on Performance much better.
Ford should send you a thank you card. You have talked more than a few folks that own or have ordered a GTPE off the ledge. Good to see your unbridled enthusiasm. It makes me hopeful for when mine shows up.
Fantastic review as always. Glad to see they made improvements. I do wish though that they would do some improvements on the lower trim cars. Just watching the rear end bobble around and bounce almost made me car sick watching the video. No vehicle should behave that way. Seems like just a different damper setting would fix it. They might have to go heavier on the dampening. But that would be better than it jumping around like that. Really glad to see significant improvements and that they know that they need to make improvements. It's a really cool car.
It's too bad they didn't include the glass roof on the GT performance by default. To add the glass roof it's $1500, and you have to get the co-pilot 360 for an additional $1900. That puts this at $1k cheaper than the model Y performance after full tax credit. Maybe it's worth it to some people, but with that thermal issue.. eh... It would be great if Ford offered a package on the other trims to add the wider wheels and better suspension.
Thanks, that's another great review! Around the 33 minute mark, it wasn't clear to me how you knew that the Blue Cruise had disengaged and you HAD to be ready to steer manually around that bend else you'd be off the road. What's the car's feedback to the driver like?
You're a genuine pleasant chap in this sea of car reviewers on tube. I like your demeanor and down to earth personality. It's never too late to join the party, and I could see your channel blossoming in the near future. Keep it up and get some sleep, boy! You've been all over the world lately. Btw, did someone ever tell you that you look like a younger version of Zach Galifianakis?
Driving on HWY 1 toward Stinson Beach … ? Crazy road however thermal management needs to get sorted if they limit performance after a few miles pushing it … I hope Ford continues to dial in the MachE … they need to get charging and route planning sorted and also offer an interior that isn’t Darth Vader … fingers crossed Ford can survive the transition to electric transport… love that Yellow paint !
THANK YOU! for making your vids of the mustang mach-E. As a car enthusiast its still hard to pull the trigger on $70K for any car, but I will and you're helping me make this very hard decision on which mach-E. I think I know now.
It seems like it throttles the power pretty quickly. I wonder if it could make it through a lap of the nurburgring without overheating and throttling the heck out of it... I doubt it.
They need to make a more usable wheel/tire available for the northern half of the country. The wheel/tires that come standard on the performance pkg will have you in a snowbank, no the all wheel will not save you.
HI Kyle, Thanks for the video. I've got a Premium 4x on order and am interested in the better suspension of the GTPE but am also concerned about the bolstering in the upper portion of the seat for someone like myself who's 6'4" and 190#. Your thoughts?
Regular Mach e had a slight hesitation when accelerating which cancels out the best thing about EV's an d would be a deal breaker for me. I also could not get comfortable in the seats nor do I like the big vertical screen in vehicles. I wouldn't mind trying this version though to see how it compares to my favorite EV6 GT test drive. Overheating is also a no go and haven't heard about it in the Kia. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for another entertaining and helpful review, Kyle. Given a choice between the GTPE and a Kia EV6, what do you think? I know the wait would be longer, but… Is the Mach-e more fun?
I've driven the GT (not the performance pack option) and Ionic. The GT is a whole different league of performance. The Ionic is a awesome highway car that can dance if needed.
Man, can’t afford this one without stretching finances farther than I should, so hopefully I’ll still enjoy my ext. range awd premium when it’s ready. Almost wished I hadn’t watched this vid! But it was excellent, thanks for all the detailed input you provide.
I bought a 4X, and faced with $15,000 more for a limited power upgrade and better suspension I'd likely go elsewhere. I have hope they fix some issues in the tuning and compared to the X3 M40i I came from the suspension really isn't bad at all. It's very soft and I don't plan to purposely slalom the car.
This is an amazing car! I have driven a Mach-e but now since I have had the opportunity to try other EV's I think the GT might be the one for me, should be placing an order any day now.
I assume Ford isn't yet sure about their batteries, etc. and are still calibrating for 8 year longevity? Maybe they'll retune it in a couple years when they get more data and since the kids always wrap their Mustang's around trees maybe they're trying to prevent that now that EV let's them do that.
I’ve read and seen different opinions on the PE’s Magneride suspension. Some love it and others are like meh. If you are going to track the car, definitely get the PE. Otherwise, it’s a toss up.
I could not afford to wait for my EV nor could I afford the FMME GT-PE this year. Went with a FMME Premium with Extended Battery. My plan is when I come off my 4 year Options Lease, I will see if there is any used GT-PEs around. Of course, in 4 years, who know what will be available in performance EVs. Still hoping for a convertible/targa top EV by then. Maybe a flashback T-Top edition. BTW, totally agree with the ride of the FMME. Hoping an aftermarket vendor will come up with a solution.
Kyle, would you be able to clarify if the brakes felt the same between the GT and GTPE? Was the suspension/ride the primary noticeable difference between the two options (along with tires factoring into that)?
I have to say.. this overheating thing, it's like building a fast track car and forgetting that you need a good cooling system. Very disappointed that this is a thing in a new car.
November is my date I'm going order one. Make it plan to me please. Which one is the best EV to buy? I drive 140 miles to work a week. Weekend I do Lyft. Please help me. I want a Model X 131k not happening.
here's mu thing... the gt performance edition is so much more expensive than a premium... I don't know how people spend a grand on a single car payment... hits just too much
Because the difference between a $60,000 and $70,000, assuming no trade in/money down, the same interest rate (3.00%) and term at 60 months...is about $150/month. - Trade In/Down Payment - Interest Rate - Term Will all make a difference... Also - various tax credits can improve the situation significantly.
@@ericpost6277 I spoke with a dealer this morning about changing my order, it would put my payment from 608 to 930 a month... that's way more than 150 a month
Kyle, I’m thinking about a Polestar 2 or Mach-e GT PE. Can you provide a little driving dynamic comparison between the two? Acceleration? Ride? Handling? Breaking? Overall canyon carving? MVH? (And perhaps try to keep your personal preference for oversteer out of corners more neutral when comparing.) Thanks!
Big thing is going to be over 60mph power. Polestar 2 awd traps 113 the mache e gt traps like 100 flat somehow. So highway passing power is going to be significantly slower. Got a feeling the polestar will out handle it as well due to weight and the olins dampers on the performance pack.
I hope these sell well, we need more EVs. I will be buying the leading competitor's vehicle though as I prefer to buy a vehicle made in america, always have. I also prefer to support innovation and one company forced legacy to even build EVs so they deserve my dollars.
I think the Ford brakes being touchy are just part of the brand? The brakes on the F-150s since at least the 90s always seemed way more touchy than anything else I've driven at least.
Blue Cruise… I’ve never tried it however I’m getting the impression it’s a poorly executed lane centering ADAS … it can’t handle mild turns on otherwise straight freeways … despite the “curated” aspect. I’m familiar with that portion of HWY 101, those curves are relatively tame … my impression the media is giving Ford a pass on a poorly implemented ADAS system. Is that a fair analysis?
I am not a performance oriented driver and I admit that this aspect of Kyles reviews of the Mach-e really frustrate me. He spends a lot of time harping on stuff that doesn’t really apply to most drivers and he’s the only reviewer I’ve seen complain about this “illusion of speed” thing. I understand the name and some of the stylings suggest sports car but there’s also gotta be space for people who want a good quality Tesla alternative. Like I just want a fun ev that I can afford. Tesla keeps hiking the price on the model 3 and they don’t get the tax credit. Kyle LOVES the id4 but it’s pretty boring and he knows it. I guess it just bothers me that he treats the id4 like perfection but then clearly grades the mach-e on this weird curve.
The Mach e clearly targets the sports car drivers. So it should be measured against it. This is a 70k cat. ID4 does not and they should not target sports car drivers. It doesn’t look like one either. Even though the AWD drives darn sporty.
@@openmind6969 Well given that Ford has two real EVs at the moment, this car cannot only be targeting sports car drivers. To be fair I’m kinda roping in this review with the review of the non GT models. Which are decidedly not targeting sports car drivers. In the same way that the model y isn’t. The Select/Premium/CA Rt1 Mach-E’s are targeting the Model Y (non performance) hence the price points. I imagine you’ll see an EV that actually targets sports car drivers in the coming years akin to the Model S and this point will be even more obvious. This is sporty crossover SUV. It’s just a fun person/gear hauler.
"the suspension is better than model y performance, the driving is better than the model y performance in every possible way". Lets hope that is actually the case. Will be interesting to see the moose test on this new version.
Nice car, but I have more faith in quality in electric motors from tesla. They have basically perfected them, never any heating motor overheating issues in my model 3
Just like this car under normal driving you’ll never thermal throttle. But I can get my Model 3 to thermal throttle after not much time as well. It is better though
I have both Y and GT. Tesla is way ahead of software and ease of charging. GT has more car like feel and at least exterior quality is better. Interior I would give to Tesla.. No hard plastic inside compared to Ford. After driving both for about 2 weeks I would get Tesla. GT phone as a key still not working....too many software bugs but fixable in the future hopefully. Tesla phone control software is far more superior too. If you looking for easy daily living get a Tesla. Superchargers is a major plus too. On my second day of ownership I road trip 800 miles and charging availability is major plus.
The EV6 looks cool and the hardware seems amazing. But I keep seeing the Mach-E and can't stop thinking of how beautiful it looks and how airy the cabin feels. Ford knocked it out of the park with the Mach-E.
@@anthonyc8499 we just drove a Polestar 2 and no real comparison. Ford nailed it. We are waiting Impatiently. But I think an EV6 may be in my future. Hubs has Mach E.
Yes. OTA is coming. Ford people were saying in California that usable battery capacity will go up by 3% and the charge cliff will move to 90% for 2021 cars.
in these types of spirited runs, no, Tesla's cooling system has no issue since they do a better job in routing the coolant lines through the powertrain and battery. The only time they put you in granny mode is at a road course and that can take 2-3 laps before the car puts you in granny mode. The Mach-E GT and GTPE, you can barely get one 0-60 run in before granny mode takes over, so 4 seconds of fun. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this design flaw that limits the amount of fun you can have in the GT & GTPE. You have to set it to Unbridled Extend, which lowers total power output, to have any fun in the car. On the Model Y Performance, you either have Chill or Sport mode and in Sport mode, you can mash the throttle multiple times with no issues, or go to the drag strip and do 10-20+ runs over and over without any concerns of the battery management system throttling back power delivery. This is probably also why the Mach-E, in colder temps, doesn't do as well for preconditioning the battery to warm it up for L3/fast charging. The coolant lines just aren't setup properly to cool the Stator motors and the battery pack.
@@ProfessorHamer It has nothing to do with the dual permanent magnet motors and has to do with how the cooling system, or lack of, results in the Ford battery management system going into granny mode. If you watch the Munroe teardown videos you can see the configuration. the Model 3 and Y use a permanent rear magnet motor an an induction motor in the front. The front induction motor generates more wasted heat but yet Tesla has no issues cooling both motors and the battery pack.
If you are a performance orientated driver ths looks a lot of fun. i confess I'm not. I'm a driver who wants a car that is a comfortable, pleasant place to be with all the power I need to easily keep up with traffic and get myself out of trouble should I need it. Looking at this the power aspect is more than covered but is it comforatble and pleaseant ? I don't know that cabin and dashboard looks so plain and austere I can't imagine it being a place I want to be.
I’d try to find one for a test drive honestly. I finally got to drive a premium a couple of days ago and it was a really nice experience and definitely comfortable. You could describe the cabin as plain or you could describe it as clean. I tend toward the latter but if you’re used to a really busy dash it’s an adjustment.
the ID.4 is fairly comfortable and is better suited for people not looking for 0-60 under 4-4.5 seconds. the upcoming Kia EV76and Hyundai Ioniq 5 might be worth looking at, too. Spending $65k-70k on the GTPE might be overkill for you. The Magneride is great but you'll have to pony up (pun intended) to get it since it's only on the GTPE.
Love the videos Kyle, but that looks slow AF! And solving the thermal issue by making the car slower instead of just fixing the system or over clocking it when needed is a joke by Ford.
Great first drive! Do you think the magneride suspension would bring better driving dynamics to the Premium for those looking for a fun driver, but not looking to go to autocross events and fly down canyon roads like you were? I don't recall feeling like it was necessary when I test drove a Premium AWD Extended Range, but without experiencing it, it's difficult to judge its effect, and its value. If the suspension from the GT-PE was a $2k option in the Premium, would it be a nice-to-have or a no-brainer? I guess I'm hoping that the magneride will become an option package some day, or I can finally compare them to put the issue to rest!
I can only provide personal experience giving a ICE Mustang as reference...but Magneride vs without Magneride is night and day. Soft and smooth when it needs to be but can instantly switch to stiff and grippy. It's black magic almost. It's something that in theory you could add as an aftermarket to an ICE Mustang...but its waaay more expensive and quite a bit of work.
@@ericpost6277 Thanks for the first-hand reference! My 96 GT has a pretty rough ride, and it's frankly the worst aspect of the car. If I get a new one, I'd want to add the Magneride suspension, just based on the ability to fine-tune the ride quality. The Mach-E wasn't bad from what I recall, but it would be nice to see some of the options from the GT/GT-PE trickle down into the Premium, so at least there would be an option if one wanted it.