Thanks for watching! Check out our 2020 Super Duty towing MPG video on TFLtruck: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qbXFrZsiAQE.html and our road trip MPG video on TFLnow: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZOeo1BvQWJA.html
Sorry to say but that course is weak bring it out here to El Paso TX and we will put them to a real test. The rock climbing out here is so tough that it will almost make you 💩💩 in you pants
The world will be out of Gasoline and diesel by then, so I doubt that will happen. Electric Vehicles will be the future of this earth 🌎, said this in 2020.
For 90%+ of HD truck buyers, a 7.3L is more than enough power. Under light to moderate loads, the 7.3L with a 4.30:1 might actually drive better than a diesel. Only under very severe hauling conditions would the diesel shine more, but most of us don't even have a license that allows us to drive with the full capability of either the 7.3L or the 6.7L PSD. Sadly, it's just meat swinging contests for most HD buyers. Having the biggest and the best is all they care about, even when they must overextended themselves financially to make it happen.
@@Sebastian-il5hn 100% 7.3 is the truck for 90% of the people that are going to buy this truck. Hell, it's just going to pound pavement and get McDonalds and maybe some cat litter at WalMart... BUT, if you're going to haul heavy stuff like a tractor or excavator, maybe a travel trailer all over the place in the summertime, the diesel will be a better option. People need to get over the whole, I got the most expensive options shit. These trucks are already stupid expensive, just get the one that makes the most sense with what you're doing!
I would certainly expect the 7.3L to be easier off road since it has more off idle torque. The diesel has massive torque because of the 30psi of boost or so that it has, but doesn't make anywhere in the ballpark of the torque that the 7.3L makes off idle. People mistake the diesel torque numbers for being off idle, but they forget that they don't make that huge torque until the turbo spools. To see what I mean maybe TFL will show it when they get a chance to race them against each other. Race them both from a dead idle. The 7.3L will just destroy the 6.7L off idle because it's torque is a pedal movement away. The diesel is a pedal movement and a turbo lag away. I am a huge diesel fan, but always hearing of their torque numbers when off road driving is just someone who doesn't understand turbo vs natural aspiration power. I am a big GM fan for life, but this is the best truck to buy if you want a truck that can do about everything right from the factory. It's better than the Power Wagon and AT4. GM needs to get Eaton to develop a Truetrac for their front diff or offer the Front Eaton E-Locker from the factory. I would actually like to see Gm offer the Eaton Truetrac front and rear. With their Stabilitrac system it has the ability to make it work well under zero load which is the only weak point for the Truetrac and it would shine under every other point. The Gov-Lock is a decent design, but just not well liked and not a smooth operating system.
I hope they will weigh their black diesel Tremor like they did with the Wrangler. Wrangler's weight distribution was not all that bad, slightly better than 53:47. Maybe this thing is about quite acceptable 60:40, I dunno
@@ldmtag I can guarantee that the rear end of of a heavy duty is much lighter than the front. They are designed for towing a heavy trailer so the significance of weight distribution is different from a SUV or sports car.
@@brianm1916 but in that same video Jeep Gladiator showed even better number. No doubt 6.7 diesel is much heavier than the Pentastar but F250 itself is a much heavier vehicle. I expect the weight distribution to be about 57:43, maybe up to 61:39
@Danish Construction Channel First of all, it's specifically for off-roading and the weight savings is an obvious choice; it's NOT about towing in this video. Secondly, America designed and produces BOTH the 6.7 and 7.3
That's good cause it's a ford gonna need a lot of work... haha jk! But seriously I will wait a year or two before buying any new engine to really know how they are going to hold up. Cant wait to see the bronco soon!
Having owned the best diesel Ford ever had, 7.3, I’m now a gas fan. Unless you really need to tow heavy and often, the gas will do the job at a lot lower initial cost, lower maintenance cost, and lower fuel cost. Unless you are very young, you will never live long enough to break even. Just my opinion and experience.
Just bought a 2012 Ford F-250 XLT V8 6.2. Love it. Love it. Love it. Getting roughly 15 mpg hand calculated over 90 miles commutes. Not bad for a 7,000 lb vehicle.
@@guyod1 That's 15 combined city and freeway. On some stretches it'll get 18 mpg on the freeway this on a commute from Sacramento to San Francisco. Flat and hills. So not bad. But over all a solid 15 mpg over two months of calculation by hand.
Great comparison! A big offroad truck makes sense for people that work in oil fields, loggers etc. It's nice that Ford offers a gas and diesel so the customer has more flexibility but this video also shows why Ram always outfitted the Power Wagon with just a gas over a Cummins.
While I get that LSDs work for general usage, I really wish they'd give the Tremor package an electronic locking differential. This is marketed to be for serious off-roading, not general usage.
@@jonathanmueller2849 I think they did that for the work truck market, lots of patch guys and loggers will be getting the tremor package, and it's a better bet for them to put LSD in the front so that they can get the maintenance revenue from it. Ford always puts these little things in the new pickups designed to wear out during hard abuse because they make so much money from maintenance and replacing wear parts. 90% of stuff getting fixed/replaced on a new superduty is wear parts that ford specifically designed that way.
@@robertchapman4488 so its a limited slip axle until you lock it in. it just not an e locker. but it is nice that you have 4wd without having to get out and lock the hubs in
Yeah but the range & TQ are appreciated, along w/ the better hot weather performance, really depends on the type of off-roading you’re doing, but if weight is an issue for ya then you’re 100% better off w/ an F150 Raptor over a 7.3 Tremor- more Hp/tq, less weight, better mpg & still 36 gal tank…..
If you tow anything, Raptor is out. The 7.3 is a perfect blend of all around capability. It doesn’t tow like a diesel, or as good off-road as a raptor, but it can do both very well when needed. Same can’t be said for the other two. Cannot take a heavy diesel seriously off-roading and you can’t tow 15,000 lbs with a Raptor. But you can do all with a 7.3 Godzilla with the Tremor package pretty damn effectively. It was designed to bridge the gap.
Great review. I am having a very hard time deciding between the diesel and the gasser. My gut tells me diésel but the reviews keep saying gasser. Hmmmm.
Nothing is wrong with the power stroke but where it shines is towing but I’ll take that 7.3 V8 any day just because it has good torque power and is lighter then the powerstroke but you still get a good off-road truck solid front axle coil overs and a good power plant Big block V8 so therefore I’ll take the 7.3 and get a powerstroke to tow the 7.3 to the off-road course 👍
I have the 7.3 Tremor and that thing flat out rips. Getting on the freeway, no problem, just tickle the gas peddle and you're at 75 before you know it! Not to mention how awesome the V8 sounds! Can't wait for a cat back dual exhaust system to hit the market. For you gear heads out there, this engine has that 'muscle car' fun factor.
You guys do awesome reviews , thanks so much . Finally so really feed back on the 7.3 , looks like the one to buy if you don't need that towing capacity . Great job !
These trucks are great. I have a 2019 f250 6.2 FX4. I take my truck to work which means some lease roads and 30,000 miles and evap canister was full of dirt. Ford gave me a hard time with warranty. And said the trucks are not meant to be offroad like that.
I just hate the modern emissions crap on diesels... dpf, def and def injectors, def tank heater, tons of extra sensors what could possibly go wrong. also def freezes in the cold winters
I have 52k on my 17 power stroke XLT here in Texas, and I bet you I could still get around 50k for that pickup. But god damn I love it, I’ll drive it til she dies
ya but is it really worth paying a extra 10k for that? Plus more expensive fuel, you have to pay for def, expensive oil changes, and expensive fuel filters. Plus modern diesels are so complex that they cost a fortune to fix. You could probably have two crate motors in a 7.3 for the price of one diesel rebuild. The only way to really get your money out of a diesel is if you are towing everyday because then the extra 2-3 MPG will add up. Or if you put a lot of miles on your truck but if you are driving a lot with no trailer you mine as will get a half ton or a car. I just do not see how your argument makes sense when factoring all of this in.
All people do is cry to get a cummins in the powerwagon, but now that ford releases a tremor with the diesel, people instantly pick out the gas engine as the best offroader, automatically justifying the engine choice of the powerwagon all along
@@Brenny627 I got a 5.7 hemi that's just fine with 101k miles on it. Mom has a 5.9 magnum that has 243k miles on it. I dont get the hate for Chrysler vehicles.
With off-road applications, the lighter weight of the gasoline engine up front is money. What you give up on overall torque, you make up in throttle response and having less weight over the front wheels. Front end components will thank you for choosing a gasser to go off-roading with, as well.
Love the new tremors. Seems like a great truck, but the 2" blocks in the rear? Did ford call 1990s dodge engineers and ask them for advice on how to save a few bucks? "Axle wrap? Nah, never heard of it..."
I would take that gas motor above that modern diesel. As the diesel ages, it will be an absolute nightmare to do repairs. Looks like they packed everything in tight under the hood.
The limited slip is actually better. You can either put it in rock crawl mode or apply a light touch on the break and the front dif acts like a locker. Also you can drive it on the road in 4 wheel drive without tires barking in the turns.
I did some research for people trying to decide if diesel is worth the cost or not. This is going to be for a base xlt 4x4 supercrew f250. The price with the 7.3 is about 50k and with the diesel it is 58k. (Add $8k because the 7.3 is $2k over the base 6.2.) I got these fuel numbers from fuelly. It seemed most people were avg about 12 MPG in the 7.3 and 16 MPG in the 6.7. This is a mix of people working there truck and doing highway driving. In Texas where I live, gas is $1.89 for 87 octane and diesel is $2.09. Based off the fuel mileage and the additional cost of the diesel, you would have to own the truck for 16 years and drive 20k miles a year to break even on the additional $8k for the diesel. That is 320,000 miles. The average person drives about 13500 miles per year. At that rate, you would have to have the truck for 24 years for the better fuel mileage of the diesel to break even with the gas. Obviously if you tow heavy everyday the diesel would be a good option but for most people the gas is going to be more logical in terms of financially. Over that 16 years though, the diesel is going to be more likely to cost more in repairs and maintenance also. Diesels are not made like they used to be and they simply will not make it to 300k with little to no issues like the older 7.3 powerstroke or the 5.9 cummins. Correct me if my calculations are wrong but they should be pretty close to accurate. I would personally take the 7.3 based on this and what I tow. Do not let all this sway you from the diesel because those new powerstrokes are awesome but they do come at a cost
All he did is prove new trucks can go over super easy stuff super slow, and gas engines are lighter and have more throttle response than diesels. So he proved nothing new🤣
The thing is....no one is buying this truck to take it off road...it does look great though. Also a piece of junk could do everything they did and you could keep your life savings!
TFL criticizes FCA for nondiesel powerwagon option... then says you should get the Tremor in gas citing essentially the reasons FCA have... hmmm 🤔 I completely agree. Weight is the enemy off road. It makes going over obstacles and through terrain more difficult. It places greater strain on your chassis. The HP is there, a little difference but relatively the same, and torque can be augmented through gear ratio choices. So you’re not giving up much capability outside fuel range, but carrying an extra 500 lbs of fuel would give the gasser vastly more range at the same weight albeit better distribution than the diesel. On road the diesel is king for efficiency, longevity, and capability. I’d like to see the tremor package reduce weight further with fiber reinforced polymer body panels and bed.
So you say you felt the 400lb difference in a 7,000lb truck? Yea, ok. So which one to chose from? One with cool "Tremor" stickers, or the one producing 600ftlbs more? Well, I'm not a 10yo, so I'm gonna have to go with the 6.7l diesel.
As they wear down they do get a bit louder,bit my bf Goodrich all terrains did the same also.The Goodyear's also clean out better in clay soil better then the Goodrich do.
7:30 he really doesn’t understand the difference in how these engines generate torque. The gasser probably has very similar off idle torque than the diesel since it’s larger, but the diesel has more efficient combustion with more energy dense fuel. The difference in torque will come when the turbo spools, and also the gear ratio differences between the two vehicles. The diesel and gasser are not making 1050 and 475 ft lbs all the time, and the diesel needs the turbocharger to get its torque up there; so the diesel lags with producing torque.
who cares what the idle torque is? it doesn't take long to build RPMs. TFL did test the 2020 ford diesel on a dyno but I didn't get a clear look a the chart, but it would be interesting to compare gas vs diesel results directly. obviously the diesel isn't needed for offroading but it is significantly more powerful and trying to write that off is ridiculous.
Joe people who have actually off-roaded understand what it means to have torque at very low throttle positions. Not just off idle. The engines don’t make peak torque unless they’re at a specific rpm and at full throttle. And the diesel is only about 10% more powerful and requires full turbocharger pressure to reach it while weighing nearly 8% more. So No it doesn’t have “significantly” more power. And if you read you’d also know I distinguished the fact that the diesel lags with generating torque due to it being dependent on the turbocharger. Huge amounts of torque off-road isn’t actually useful. Watch the video and you’ll rarely hear any turbo noise meaning that truck doesn’t come close except for the hill climb to producing its peak torque value. It’s the low gearing that provides control and torque.
Yes the fuel economy is better with the diesel, but the fuel cost is substantially more and maintenance is.... well gee, just break the bank to change the oil and oil filters on the diesel and more often I believe than the gasser.
What's the point in going offroading with a truck that controls everything for you? The fun part of offroading is testing honing your driving skills, if you are just setting back and letting the truck do everything that's pretty boring, might as well just stay home and play a video game.
@@scarroll625 I just like diesel because it is fundamentally better, everything about the engineering and theory is better, I just cant unsee this stuff having worked on these as an engineer. Its not even a comparison in my opinion. Yea its heavier, and every single gram is worth it.
@@David-eh8rl Look at the compression ratio differences, or the peak cylinder pressure capability differences, or the crankshaft diameter differences or the piston/pin differences, or the block strength differences, or the thermal efficiency differences. Do I need all that? nah. Do I want it? Hell yea
I'll take my F250 7.3 Super cab long bed in dark blue. I'm going to beat an old horse to death, again. I want a manual transmission in my non-epa rated F250!
To be honest it is a matter of preference and needs. In my country diesel fuel is cheaper to buy and most of my needs are towing and highway driving thus I need the diesel torque and fuel efficiency. Where as I got a friend who drives his truck unloaded with no towing his truck of choice is petrol powered.
I wished you guys showed the 7.3 more. You gave it the better rating but almost every shot was the dark blue diesel. You showed way more shots of the diesel than the 7.3. I’m more interested in the Godzilla over the power stroke. But I am happy to hear it did so good on the course.
Shoot, they're way more complicated these days, and the powerstroke is a nightmare to do even the most basic of repairs because how its packaged. I feel sorry for the poor guy that owns one put of warranty. Labor charges are astronomical, that's why I didnt buy one, or a duramax. I didnt want a v8 diesel because of how poorly packaged they are under the hood. I didnt want a Ram but that Cummins inline 6 is much easier to work on. Never even considered the titan xd because the Cummins in it is a v8 and I assumed it would be just as bad under the hood, until I looked under the hood of one. I couldn't believe how much space there was to get to everything! You could literally change injectors without removing anything. Same with the serpentine belt. Butt tons of room. Changing a water pump, alternator or and accessory would he a piece of cake. You can reach behind the intake and touch the transmission Bell housing and bolts. The valve covers, injectors and fuel rail are right there looking at you! You cant even see the valve covers on a powerstroke. I knew I wanted more than a half ton but the more I looked at the xd the more it fit the bill. I didnt need a 3/4 ton but I wanted something I could tow and haul with on the regular. The XDs capabilities were perfect, tows with the same stability as a 3/4 ton with a smoother ride. It's not a 3/4 ton so I don't really compare it to one, but, the difference between the xd and a half ton is remarkable, especially when towing and theres a crosswind. I've put over 40,000 miles on it so far and no mechanical issues. Hopefully it will last. D3l3ted it soon after I bought it so that should help the longevity of the engine.
The 1,050 ft lbs of torque in the 6.7 comes at 30 pounds of boost. When creeping/rock crawling you aren't making any boost. So you're probably at half the peak torque. When you factor in the weight, you are probably getting more torque per pound of truck from the gas.
There both good you just have more options with the 6.7 vs 7.3. Honestly though buy what makes you happy and enjoy it to the max. If it was me 2020 F250 6.7 Powerstroke diesel.
All of those what did you need a truck to do any of that for? No seriously, where's the payload or use of having somethign 20+ feet long. There isn't. That's why Jeep is still the most popular and #1 sold off-road vehicle in the nation. Sorry I love my trucks but my F-450 will come tow your Tremor home when you break it. P.S payin 4k for 35's when you can get them on a stock without a lift (blocks are terrible btw) for under 2k is highway robbery. No DANA 44 or DANA 60's just stock ford axels and 1050 torque when you use maybe 180lb of it, just a waste.
Too bad the Tremor isn't available in the SuperCab Longbed. That's a deal breaker. And what's with blacking out the wheels and all the trim? ....looks goofy and trendy. Trucks are supposed to be BIG and bright!! ....FORD better make that WARN winch available across the entire lineup too. F250 Lariat SC LB, Black (or green or LIGHTNING Blue), 7.3L/10Spd, 4.30:1 E-locker, FX4, CHROME Pkg, Lariat Val Pkg, 20" Wheels, Adaptive Steering, Dual Alt & Batteries, Bed Liner, Clearance Lts, Live Drive PTO, Tailgate Step, Rain Sensing Wipers ...and a few other things...
They all have their own niche and unique perspectives to offer!I've been watching TFL for 5 yrs now, and it has been cool to see their improvements and additions over the years!
well I am sure the 67 is amazing but I have a 2021 7.3 and love it only issues we're at 27,250 miles spark plug wire issue but it was covered under warranty and a power steering issue at 60,275 miles also covered under warranty do to recall I tow between 8,000 to 14,000 I do think if you tow more than 15,000 get the Deisel but again I love mine
When I considered the cost of the diesel v.s the 7.3, and the cost of diesel fuel it was a no brainer for me. I’m not towing anything heavy so really didn’t need the diesel. Either motor is awesome
