The dude was playing a lot of hands, having a good time, bringing action to the game. He was an obvious rec who made a mistake...chop was a legit and classy move for that specific player. I think most people learn a lesson from positivity not negativity. Just my opinion. Thanks for the story Lex!
I would say a chop makes sense if it made the dude happy, but he was still annoyed that he should have the whole pot. It'd be different if his cards were recoverable, or he'd flashed them to someone on the table. I'd probably just give the guy a rebate of a few hundred, it's the qualitatively the same as a chop...more than he deserves and less than he wants.
Classy move Lex, chop was the best deal. It’s hard for me to believe someone playing 5/10 doesn’t know to show his hand. Thanks for the content and hope the run good keeps coming ur way!
Solid by you. Trust your instincts. Consistent winning and profitable. A chop is not a issue for a true pro to that type of player. A farmer knows you don’t shoot the cows, you milk them. The return in massive respect by the “pro” community and value of your reputation is priceless. Sometimes that type of decision helps encourage newer players to come back or come out and play. Otherwise the tables are full of farmers with no cows to milk. GL friend
You did the right thing. Not the easy thing or the right thing BY THE RULES..but you showed sportsmanship and integrity. You’re the man! I would have done the same.
You the man!! Great story! You can sleep at night because you did the right thing. Loved it ans that’s one of the reasons I love watching your videos you are not only a great player but a great human!
1. You said he's good - he can turn over his hand and win 2. You turned over A high - he can turn over a better hand and win 3. You can turn over anything - he can muck and lose
I love you brother. Your such a stand up guy. Never let anyone compromise your integrity. We are supposed to treat others as we want to be treated. With that being said no matter what you decided to do I know you are going to do what you feel is right in your heart and that's all we can ask of you.
I just show when I bluff so it saves time and forces them to show. I actually don’t like it when people say you’re good or something along those lines. I usually just sit there and wait for them to show anyway. That’s me tho. Love your shit Lex!
@@supersmoo7377 If they don’t show.. I wait for them to muck. You never throw your hand in the muck if you’re the winner. At all levels you have to show the winner.
If your read is that this is "never" an angle (and I doubt it was) then either chop the pot or give him his last bet back. Nobody could fault you for keeping the whole pot, but particularly as a pro and ambassador for the game, showing some leniency here is the gracious thing to do.👍
On the fence about this one. I've taught poker etiquette to a lot of new players and tell them when it comes to the showdown you have one thing to do and one only - turn your cards over immediately. Lex was called and didn't do that; he said "You're good" twice. The rec player had three options at that point: 1. Tell Lex he's called his bet and ask him to show his cards. 2. Turn his own cards over 3. Ask Lex or the dealer - is that a muck? If Lex or the dealer said yes, then he takes the pot without showing He should not muck his hand without doing one of those things, yet he did! In Lex's position I would've immediately turned my cards ove, and we would have known if he had a pair or not. While it's highly unlikely he would have hero-called with nothing better than AT, the fact remains he mucked his hand without showing anyone, and on that basis I believe Lex gets the whole pot. No chop, expensive but very valuable lesson.
Lesson learned. I am very much down for the classy move. I play with a guy who will claim a hand he doesn't have, like "Straight" or "Set, " before showing his cards, hoping that someone will muck their winning hand. What a tool. We were all new at some point playing poker, you did right here. You helped him learn a lesson and he will probably never make that mistake again. I had a situation where I bluffed and when she called I said "Do you have a straight?" She thought I said I had a straight and mucked her hand (See the jerk lines above). She mucked her cards saying she had a set. She called a large bluff on the river and misheard what I said. I did what you did and chopped the pot. Way to keep the game, classy sir! First time watching. I go to Florida on occasion, it would be nice to play poker with you someday!
If someone miscalls their hand knowingly at any place I play, they will be kicked out at least for the day if not permanently banned. That's a horrible angle shoot and a big no-no
Tbh I watch your content but not as much as other streamers. After this I will be supporting more, you can tell when someone is genuine and I appreciate the dialogue! Good luck this year Lexo
I know a lot of people will disagree with me and that’s fine, but if I was in your shoes, I would’ve done the exact same thing, and I have a lot of respect for you for doing exactly what you did by chopping that pot!
Classy move Lex. I would have had to get a visual of the 8's to give him any of it. The rules that remain the same from casino to casino, I dont have any give on no matter what confusion there is. If you're comfortable enough w the game that you are risking the money, it's on you to know the universal rules. Many dealers would not let me reach into the muck to turn his cards over (as they are told not to allow it) so if they stop me from doing so, I am walking with the pot. That said, I don't play $5-$10 but 3-5 times a year and I am not as invested in rep. You're a smart and kind hearted guy.
Same thing happened to me when I was new playing 1/2. I rivered a one card gutter with a jack with a pair of aces with AJ. Didn’t even see the straight. Opponent had AK I had AJ and folded thinking his two pair beat mine. I showed person next to me and threw cards into the muck and he was like you had a straight! I tried to grab my cards but the female dealer went off on me saying I can’t touch dead cards. I wish I would have got to chop that pot atleast. I respect the chop Lex, class move!
Bruh you classy asf. Chop was the most fair thing to do, so kind of you to consider the Rec player coz I for sure could’ve been one of them having those mistakes LOL. Good job man 👍🏻
That's crazy the same exact thing happened to me last night. A recreational player limped in middle position and I raise from the SB with AQ, the player calls and its a very dry runout. All three streets are checked through, and I had just won a similar hand against this player with K high, so I figured there's a very good chance my hand is good. After the river goes check check, I say " I have Ace high", he looks a little confused and after I turn over my hand he takes a second and mucks his cards. After the cards are already being shuffled he tells the player next to him that he a had a pair, he looked extremely embarrassed and confused. Luckily this was a very small pot and he handled it very well. But in my opinion if you sit down to play a game and you don't understand all of the rules, that is on you, and in your specific situation I think you should just keep the pot and not feel bad about it all. He mucked his cards, you win.
I've mucked a winning hand and yes I didn't get anything from the opponent. I learned a big lesson. I probably wouldn't give anything to the opponent. Your bad for mucking bro
"But I had the best hand and you said I was good" is next level bluffing - good for him for getting that one through. In all seriousness, It's the dealer's job to control the game. When the rec protested, the dealer should have stepped in and explained. Poker is hard enough without having to pay for other peoples' mistakes. Keep the pot next time - you earned it.
Exactly. I don't buy for a second that the guy was unaware of what Lex said. This one is 100% on the dealer. That was your pot, as played. If Player X can't be bothered to follow the action and complete the hand, that's also on him.
As a for profit player, I wouldn't pay it back. I have a hard time believing what I can't see. That seems predatory but then again what are the odds I would get shown courtesy by the same player when a weird situation occurs. I deal with the players I know, unknown are just passing by in such games
When you started the story, I thought it was going to be that you said, “you’re good,” and then he mucked straight away thinking that that meant you already conceded the pot. If that were the case, you should even consider giving the whole pot for the accidental angle. But that’s not what happened. You did (eventually) table your hand, and he never tabled his. It is possible that he actually called you down with a worse A high. You have no way of knowing he’s not lying. So I’d probably just give him the river action back and not chop the whole pot. I’m not a fan of saying “you’re good” twice, especially against a rec. If he doesn’t react, you should just table your hand.
What you did was the very nice thing to do, I wouldn't say it was the right thing. Either way, I don't hate what you did. Being kind and empathetic is always a good thing to do. The one thing that would've made me keep the pot, was no one ever saw his cards. If he had flashed them to me then mucked and the dealer pushed me the pot because he didn't table them, that would be different. It's nice that you gave him the BOD, kudos to you Lex
1) instead of saying "you're good " try saying "Ace high" . It still provides clarity to your opponent without giving useful info to the table. "Ace high " statement can be AK down to A2. It also doesn't reveal suits. Chopping pot was best decision IMO. 2) QQ was interesting hand, didn't like the way you played it tho. You seemed to hope UTG would do a limp reraise after your call but if he did where would that leave you? Also just calling here opens up the hand to being multi-multi way which we don't want of course. Another great vlog 👍.
Two things…1) poker etiquette does exist at 1/2, 100%. It may not be as consistent as with higher stakes, but it’s certainly there. People don’t just learn poker etiquette once they get to 5/10 and higher. 2) It’s two pair, not two pairs (pair is already plural). That aside, I like your vlogs. Entertaining to watch and you seem like a good human. Cheers
Your pure class for chopping it up. He had to show. Doesn't matter if you said your good. He didn't show. Not many people would do what you did. I've seen and experienced similar situations and no ones ever offered a chop
I love that you include baby doggo Rohge in your videos! Doggos are better than people love us unconditionally even if we get mad at them for something that’s our own fault! Love your videos!
For reference, I play 2/5 at TCH Dallas and 5/10 when I’m in Vegas or somewhere else. That said, I’ve always hated “you’re good”. If I’m caught bluffing I snap show my cards like they are the nuts. They paid for that info. Now, if a clear rec or fish bluffs and tells me I’m good, I will show my cards immediately so they don’t have to turn over. As a pro, I feel you should show immediately if you’re called no matter who is calling. They paid the river bet and deserve to see your cards. If I was heads up against you and called you and you told me I was good, I would tell you you can either muck or show. If you muck, I’ll muck. If you show, I’ll have to show. I paid to see your hand so why do you get to not show info but I have to give info on how light I maybe was willing to call or for others to see what I was calling with pre or how I navigated flop or turn. If you’re caught bluffing, just show and speed the game up.
@@DAWEAP1 I did this one time with a missed straight draw but 3 clubs were on the board. My two cards were a spade and a club but I flipped them over so confidently that the other player looked at my hand (it was like 10 high) and mucked. He thought I had a flush 😂😂
This is one of those times that I show no mercy, if you want to play poker then play poker, if you want to get drunk then do it away from the poker table. No mercy from me for a drunk on the road or at the poker table.
You certainly did the right thing specially the he was a recreational poker this will mean a lot to him. kudos to you !!!! that's why I like watching your videos and as I can see you're gaining a lot of progress. Good Luck
I think you did the right thing. Clearly he messed it up but you should be generous with a rec player. Appreciate that you chopped it. It only shows that you are a person with integrity. Kudos to your action
I think you made the best choice. This guy will always remember that you acted like a great steward of the game and he'll want to continue playing the game and everybody else will also remember your choice that you made. Thanks for being a great guy.
I agree with the chop decision. Ive been put in a similar spot before with newer players at a local game. Chopping is the best way to resolve it, doing more opens yourself up to angles, less is inconsiderate of the action being given to you.
Okay ~ I’m at 7:03 ~ what would I do? I have no clue, part of me says to chop it ~ that’s a fair compromise. Part of me says to keep it ~ well within the rules. I definitely don’t think giving him the entire pot is right ~ he made a large mistake despite whatever you said, you can’t win a pot without showing your cards if your heads up opponent shows… Edit: you chopped! I like that. On the “you’re good” comment, I completely agree with you.
I think you are right do the cop. I had something similar happened to me when I first started playing at the casino, but in my confusion and learning the process of the game the person I wasn't playing again gave me my $50 bet back. It was a good learning point, and a good way to build the pool of people playing
My thought was a chop would be nice but Mr Pocket 8s won't be happy with anything other than the whole pot. Glad you did chop, as opposed to ruining that guy's day, and I hope he was happy enough because, as mentioned, that was a great deal.
Lex - cool blogs - interesting situation w the tipsy reg. Totally familiar with the “you’re good” modus operandi and the reason for it. In Panama we say “me ganaste” which is “you win” lol. My take is his beer soaked mind got stuck at the perception that you had already relinquished your hand when you said “you’re good” - and even though he didn’t want to (or didn’t know he had to after your comment) show his hand - ONCE YOU DO SHOW, in a way that forces him to show a winning hand - and he didn’t. It IS somewhat weird, provided if you had decided to muck YOUR HAND FIRST after saying “you’re good”- he would have won the pot(which is something Ive seen half the time - players say you’re good and muck immediately)….nice gesture to chop pot.
Not sure how I feel about you raggin so hard on football then using a phrase like "Monday morning quarterback" lol but seriously, love your channel, been a fan forever. You are the only vlogger I'll recommend for others to check out. Keep it up!
I learned a lot of lessons the hard way in poker. I would have probably given him back his River call but part of me thinks "F it, thems the rules. Learn them before you put your dough on the table" and kept the whole damn thing. Bet he never forgets that rule again if you keep the pot
Nah, you absolutely made the right call. Let’s encourage him to continue playing and not walk away thinking he got robbed. Good outcome for you as well. Well done Sir!
I watch you all the time Lex and you are extremely professional. You did nothing wrong. I'd definitely take the pot he shouldn't be playing without knowing that very basic rule.
Lex, Let me start off saying I think you are a stand up guy. You are right about some of this. However when a player calls your bet and doesn't instantly turn up their cards. You, as the primary bettor has the obligation to turn over your cards first. If Player 1 bets and Player 2 calls, Player 1 should turn over their cards first unless Player 2 opts to turn over first. That being said after you turned over your cards it is the responsibility of every player to know and understand the rules of the game. In no game would Casino, Home, Card House, etc. will they side with the player that either accidently mucks their hand or inadvertently mucks their hand. I even saw where Player 1 thought they had a King in their hand and announced, Pair of Kings but didn't show right away. Then the other player mucks his cards, but the player didn't have Kings only had Queen, Jack thinking he had King Queen. The casino had them split the pot and the player was issued a warning. They then told the player that it was his responsibility to protect his hand. In this. I'm not in favor of people who are drunk at the table playing. 1 They are sloppy, 2 they are slow, 3 they never pay attention, 4 in some cases are rude and obnoxious. I would like to see the casino take the responsibility to remove drunk players from the game for their own protection as well as other players. Of course this is my opinion and splitting the pot would nice thing to do but in now way necessary. He would have learned an expensive lesson, one I'm sure he would repeat.
Good move on chopping it up and also waiting to reveal what you did at the end of the vlog as the watch time increased. Good move again on the chop. It was the gentlemen thing to do
One time at Resorts World I made a Yahtzee reference and said "small straight" when I flipped over my cards at showdown. One guy mucked and then realized I had 4 to a straight. There actually wasn't even a possible straight out there. I ended up giving the whole pot to the deal because he said he mucked a pair.
Youre good is common to say and completely fine, no fault there. Tough lesson to learn, but if your first times playing poker are at those stakes you dont really care about money anyway. Keep the pot
Thanks Lex love watching your Vlogs and I always Learn something new. One thing I would like to learn from you is that what do you do when you go card dead. ? Do you just keep folding or do you play aggressively ( which I think is a bad idea especially ) when you are card dead and not hitting the board
I think that was honorable what u did with that gentleman I have alot respect for what u did. Good job lex I have watched all of your videos your one of the best keep it up
Your agreeing to chop the pot was very generous Nice of you to do so I don’t agree with you on the matter of poker etiquette I play 1-3 up to 5-10 You may be correct in less issues with the higher stakes But as for etiquette, I find the higher steaks player to be much rudder If they take a bad beat or their bluffs get called light I often see complete meltdown v/s the lower stakes But really enjoy your vlog keep it up
The whole "you're good" thing is dumb. I would proudly table the AJ so I can see what they called me with, which is just as important as making your bluffs a mystery.
First-agree on chopping. Class thing plus keeps a rec player in the game. Second- disagree on etiquette in smaller games. Poker etiquette is poker etiquette. Stakes shouldn’t matter
@Lex O Poker sorry to be nosey but bein a Hawkeye I’m DYING to know your ties to ISU wearing the black clover hat at the end of the video! Not gonna lie the hat has a nice aesthetic 😂😁 might just have to send you the right version as a gift if you’re willing 😎
I like your vlogs, i like the way your adjusting with your content to the audience and i respect what you did. But… in my opinion a real hero thing to do was to give him that pot. U picked a mix between the rules and your personal kidness - cool. Cheers from Poland ;)
Think giving him back the $825 was fair. Sometimes poker lessons cost! I realise he’s a “new” player but he needs to learn. Poker etiquette should be sought at all levels of the game, not just the bigger buy-ins. If you don’t concentrate you may lose your chips. Keep up the good work Lex, your solution to this was a very fair and classy.
I would have kept all the money for one simple fact. He is a rec player. He knows the rules we all do. You have no way of knowing if he was lying or not. So you can’t trust him. He could have had the losing hand and did that just to try and make you feel sorry. No way you should do anything but stack the chips.
More than fair imo. I would have only given back the last call there. If the guy is that unfamiliar with the basic rules of poker, it’s on him for playing in a game that size. For cheaper lessons, play smaller. Kudos to you for a classy decision.
Definitely classy move. I might have given the river bet back, but prob not chopping the pot. If he held them up before mucking or something to where I caught a glipse but he didn't technically "table" them (which has happened to me), then I chop for sure. Discount vs drinking rec definitely in order, just think a chop was generous. But good for you.
That was MORE than a decent thing to do, I feel like the dealer should have recognized what's going on too and asked if he was sure the player folds. But I'm more upset about the hand before you went to get food, what was the winning hand?
Good on you for chopping. If I was a RU-vidr like you ida done that too. I will say you got lucky on that QQ hand but imo I would have 3 bet pre flop. Worked out great though. Your a pro ima rec but an action rec so I woulda been loosing my ass on that QQ run out. Love your content bro. Keep it up.
