I got access to Lifeweaver EARLY!! 

As a tank player, I think playing with a good Lifeweaver will be a huge boon to your ability to be aggressive. Imagine being able to run in as Ram/Rein, build a bunch of ult, then just call for your Lifeweaver to pull you out.

My favourite part of this character is that with just a swap of two letters he goes from Lifeweaver to WifeLeaver

"If you can heal 'em, you can steal 'em. Let me show you what I mean..." idk why but the delivery of that statement was excellent and made me laugh.

I think they should make his left click healing AOE. Like when the flower lands on a teammate, it also releases a small burst of AOE healing that can heal nearby teammates

This character has the highest throw potential of any character. You can even feed and give the enemy healing.

"healing is a bit underwhelming" The best defense is offense

Tbh i like every part of him from what I've seen so far. The role isn't Healer, it's Support; I'm so glad the devs are leaning into that with this character. Can really create some cool support combos with his set.

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The thing I’m afraid of is that this character seems to be a huge potential detriment to your team if they aren’t smart with their abilities. If you have a mercy dying on cooldown, it’s a 4v5 but still a winnable fight. But if your lifeweaver pulls a reinhardt about to hit a shatter, or throws a flower lift that messes up death blossom or something, you’ve lost your win condition on accident. This seems like a character where your mistakes punish not only you, but your entire team

I think a good way to prevent trolling would be a system where the person getting pulled can cancel the pull

I think the cancel pull option is cool. make it the interact button like for a portal, and put the ability on a 5 second timer. Rein charges in with 5 seconds to accept being pulled back to safety would be smart

Congrats on being on trending Flats, heres to more content.

My first thoughts about him upon watching his trailer was that either there's gonna be a good Lifeweaver on your team pulling you and saving you from sticky situations or there's gonna be a bad troll on your team

This hero feels more like a utility support rather than a healing support. Kinda like it, but it'll make the 2nd support have to pick up the heals.

I like the idea of Lightweaver's pull as it's an ability some healers can use in FFXIV and is overall very useful, but that's in an MMO. I feel like the pull is still going to be huge yet at the same time I know and can see the troll potential.

I think a good compromise is fixing lifegrip up like Ana's nano settings. So that weaver attaches the lock-on to someone and it remains with them until they change it off to someone else (Or break LOS for a certain amount of time) and the person being effected is notified ahead of time that they have a safety tether that they now control. like the person getting pulled is likely fighting for their life and finding the time to unexpectedly have to hit F or something to be pulled out probably isn't something most players (MOST, not all, the majority of every community is casual) have the reactions for in such heated situations where they NEED saving. However a preplaced lock on system could be good because now it's an ability that the community as a whole effectively shares when weaver is on your team. It could change your screen like if mercy was boosting or healing you and provide "F for lifegrip" to their UI This also gives characters with combo potential ALOT more control over it. I'm concerned about supports dragging my rein back outta a charge which Im very trigger happy on but if you tell me that I as Rein can charge and then pull myself out through Weavers ability? That's something I will never turn down.

I think the most trolly thing I can think of is when the friendly lifeweaver switches sides and starts fighting for the enemy team

9:50 pour one out for Reaper’s old forgotten ability, collecting soul orbs

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Life grip is going to be a VERY dividing ability. I could absolutely see the devs having to backpetal (heh) on this ability in the future or nerf/rework it over and over. Super excited to see Lifeweaver regardless!!!

with regards to the life grip, i think a decent way to try and give the friendly players more control about if they get pulled or not would be to make it so if they crouch whilst being pulled they escape the grab. this way the trolling could be avoided and also give people a chance to deny the grab if you're making a play like you said.

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As a ball main, I’m equally terrified and excited for that pull ability

I feel like Lifeweaver will have a lot of carry potential. His kit is great for compensating for teammates' mistakes

Truly wonderful to be at the launch of so many characters, and having the opportunity to play them at their most broken state.

In Dota 2, there are a lot of abilities that can target allies, such as granting invulnerability to physical damage, but increasing vulnerability to magical damage on an ally. A regular way to troll is to decrepify your ally (the name of the effect/skill) while they are under heavy burst of magical damage. Another example is to banish an ally (temporarily erase them out of existence for a few seconds). This can save an ally by removing their existence while they are under heavy fire, or troll an ally by banishing them while they're on the run, thus making the enemies catching up to them easily because after the banish ends, ally reemerges at the same spot they were banished. What I'm saying is there are skills that you can use to troll alies in Dota2, and the game's solution is pretty simple. They introduce a button (like the mute button) on each ally that makes that particular ally unable to target them. OW2 can solve this problem by doing the same thing on Life Grip, simply allow us as players to "disable" Life Grip on us for a particular player.

You can adjust the healing lock-on in the hero settings if anyone is wondering.

You should be able to cancel the pull with your interact key. As the person being pulled, you should be able to just hit interact and cancel it yourself so that if you don’t want to be pulled your not pulled however, you still have the option of getting moved the full duration.

I think the team cc could work better if he gave a teammate a "tether" that would last for a short amount of time, that the teammate could then go into battle with, and use when they want to be pulled back to him, like an orb of harmony with no healing, that when you press a key it activates the ability.

I feel like some adjustments could be nice Like make his 1st ability drop his passive but at reduced effectiveness so he has more potential healing output since his current output is low. As for the 2nd ability, they could make it so u can cast it twice after using it. Basically the first cast does the bubble thing and the second cast does the pull. The bubble could give a fortify effect and the pull could do the immortality. They should also increase his primary fire healing a bit too. Either make it fully charge faster or bump up the healing a bit to like 80 / 85 for example. He can't really do much else while healing while other characters can so I feel as though since he's locked out of dealing any damage he should atleast have some decent healing as a result. His platform could also have a manual control instead, so u can do some more coordinated things rather than it activating when only one person steps on it. Just a few suggestions, you can agree or disagree or give suggestions as well if u feel like it

Flats, thank you for being the first streamer I've seen to address the pull ability. Everyone else has been conveniently skipping over the details. This is what I wanted to know!

65 health every 3 seconds or 25 health every second. That's how I see his healing (Of course, I can't see what the animation speed for less than 65 is) but something tells me his healing is better in smaller, but more frequent bursts over a larger, but slower burst

I think a fix is very easy for his pull ability, either make a check for solid ground underneath the lifeweaver, or make it to where he can't use the ability while airborne.

An interesting concept I thought of is if you lower the ammo to maybe like 3-5, however make it so his healing can charge much higher (maybe 100-150). Obviously, it would be slightly slower than it is now, but in my eyes the idea of a charge healer would be someone with very very high healing but low ammo and rate of fire. Just a cool concept that I think would be really good for him since his main healing output is extremely low.

The way I visualize the pull being made more player friendly is it being turned into some kind of temporary personal symm teleporter / translocator you give to the player. At least in triggering it. You use the pull on a player, they have a chance to trigger it such as you would a symm tele through some kind of prompt. Either have the prompt last for 2-3 seconds or something. I like dancing between symm teleports so thats the most satisfying way I can see it being changed. And my tele I just mean in triggering the ability. Just sharing how I would see it flow well. I can imagine falling off the map and spamming my interact key praying to get pulled.

The pull should be similar to Zarya’s shield. stays on you for some time and any moment you hit your interact key and then be pulled back to him. Giving you control over when to be pulled

As a support player, i think this is going to be a very interesting addition. I can see lifegrip as a great way to rescue your other support from being pressured. The healing does feel a bit underwhelming but i could see the charge up time being increased a bit. Overall I'm really excited to see what he feels like in game. His character is very unique and it feels very fresh. He kinda reminds me of a bloodelf so im thrilled lol

I reckon putting a system like hanzo's lunge but reverse on his pull where you can't use pull while mid air and if you jump while doing it, it cancels it Then you can't jump off or walk off a map and pull allies you have to be in contact with the ground

As a support player I'm definitely going to be really reserved using his pull when I'm playing solo. Only using it to save allies from instant death, like if they're pinned, or hooked. And being more loose with the ability when I'm playing with friends. I genuinely think he can be powerful with proper positioning and game sense, but I do see the major potential problems with bad or tolling teammates. I'm also glad Blizzard has already put in more safeguards for the ability. As in the latest test server when over a non surface, like the Well you are locked out of using the ability. Its still possible to kill allies, but it requires a lot of set up. I do see his pull as a useful tool, but I'll just have to wait until I'm able to play him myself to make a final call. And in all honesty, my biggest concern with him is his healing output, it's not great. Especially if my other support picks Zen or Lucio. I really hope Blizzard bumps up his healing a bit to make it feel better, rather than the pitiful amount he does so far. His passive is another concern of mine. I don't like the idea of flanks like Tracer or Sombra or hell, even diving tanks like Winston and Diva getting more of a reward from focusing me. They already have the benefit of killing an enemy support, they don't need to get healing too. His passive would be better imo if it only benefited my allies as they're already at a disadvantage because I died. But, we'll see.

If the pulling ability becomes a big problem I can definitely see the ability being replaced or altered with something that requires the recipient to accept the pull / teleport.

I think heroes like this are what can make the game more interesting and team focused but obviously when you play solo or with randoms, it’s gonna lead to a lot of trolling.

The pull ability should work like this: a flower petal (or a leaf for variety) appears in front of you holographically and tracks with the angle of your chest in case you turn quickly. You press 'C' to use it. It flies you toward Lifeweaver but doesn't drop down to kill you if he goes off the map. It hovers at the edge and you can step off. Also, you can cancel it at any time, and it will break and drop you back down wherever you cancel. To cancel, you can just start walking and walk off the edge of the petal (or leaf). To make it even more interesting, you can modify the ability from Lifeweaver's end by having him choose the destination point when activating, kind of like choosing a teleporter. The petal (or leaf) will then fly toward that destination once accepted by the teammate. Since the game already prevents you from placing teleporters into the void, the same code would prevent the trolling. The main difference then between Symmetra teleporter ability and Lifewweaver pull would be that Symm chooses the destination teleporter location but is herself the source location. Lifeweaver also chooses the destination, but his source location is another teammate. This means he has an extra step during casting, which makes it harder to use in order to gain all this flexibility and anti-trolling. However, I think that's warranted because pull has Invincibility, which sucks and there's already too much of it in the game. So if we are going to have it yet again, we should make it hard to use. Otherwise, if the invincibility aspect gets stripped (as it should) then we can compensate by making the cooldown a little less long.

3 possible pull fixes: 1) it produces a brief mini petal platform to stand on to prevent falling to your death 2) it requires the target to confirm the pull with F 3) requires the target to establish line of sight with lifeweaver to allow for pull-OR they can ping request lifeweaver with F to allow for them to be pulled out Also dash should 1000% be on double jump like Hanzo so thorn volley can be swapped to secondary fire

There's an option with Ana's hero specific settings to confirm your nanos, I think that's how Lifeweaver's pull should work, but for the person you're pulling. If you activate the ability on them, they have to confirm it somehow in order to be pulled. This would completely fix the trolling aspect, but would also kind of defeat the purpose of the pull because in a dangerous situation where youre about to die, you need to react quickly to confirm it.

*Dies as Lifeweaver between Rein and the enemy near a ledge* “I did this for you, now claim glory!!”

100% already been on Orisa working my cool downs in a fight and got pulled away from the enemy allowing them to nudge the payload to point. Great video

You can use the platform to launch up in the air jump backwards pull the person and then dash forwards to land safely.

i think a good way to stop people from throwing with life grip is to just make it so the landing point of the ability snaps to ‘safe ground’ (basically just being the closest piece of solid ground or any area that isn’t directly above a death barrier etc)

I think a cool solve to the low healing could be making the landing have a little splash healing where it would give for example 65 to the core receiver and 30 to near by allies up to a certain amount or so. Just a thought

Finally some more imortality! That was what this game was missing!

9:16 haha I was just thinking about this idea before I got to this point in the video! Nice stuff

I think you could fix getting pulled off the map by giving the pulled character a few coyote frames before they start falling so they can safely walk back to the ground before gently falling to safety

this seems like an interesting new hero can wait to see how he plays

A very good solution for the pull ability could be that if the player being pulled jumps, the pull gets cancelled, but then you would have the problem of players panicking and accidentally pressing the jump early, so maybe with a "double jump" that cancels the ability could feel the best on both ends

Overall this kit looks really fun. I really like the idea of less healing but a lot of utility, it seems pretty engaging. The life grip I feel has an easy solution to the obvious frustration itll cause: give an option for players to choose if they want to accept/ deny a lifegrip, or if they are ok with lifegrip just taking them. In a high elo environment im sure having life grip take would be better because itll make the plays more smooth but for solo queue in the middle to low ranks having an accept/ deny would keep things cohesive in the event that the team isnt in team chat, which happens often until mid/high plat.

Maybe they could implement a feature where when you’re being pulled you can break the pull. So you can choose to take the pull or not while not taking away lifeweavers ability to pull someone out of dangerous situations quickly. This could also get rid of the troll factor cause you could realize you’re being pulled of the map and quickly press whatever button they choose to make it to just break the pull mid pull

support main here, I'm honest to god really excited to play him! I can see him being really good if you can easily communicate with people to know when to grab teammates, and as someone who mainly plays with my friends I think he can really shine as a good character for me personally at least. He does seem really easy to throw and troll with which terrifies me though lol

Easy fix for the grip is to require the receiver to confirm, like when you go through a Sym TP. We don't need to complicate this. I'm a supp main and don't want the power to reposition DPS/Tank whenever I want. I'll know when to use it on a fellow support - I'm a supp main that knows all the supps very well. I know when they're in trouble, or when they're probably fine. I don't know DPS or Tank, and won't pretend to. Allow me to provide a shield, and then a 2 or 3 second confirmation window for the person to get pulled out. That'd make this perfect.

I think one way to solve the troll possibility on life grip is to require that the ability is confirmed through an “interact” button in the same way that people have to interact with a teleporter. When it’s not confirmed it simply goes away and it acts like a very brief Zarya bubble but with no gains to power, no cleanse, and only VERY brief immortality. The target player has to hold or press the button to interact which means they also have to be ready and strategizing with lifeweaver. They could make this distinction by making it a separate color until it’s confirmed or using other haptics. This does destroy some of the fluidity of the ability, but it eliminates trolling and encourages collaboration and communication.

I feel that the pull ability is going to have a command that the ally needs to do like pressing "S" or something and if not done in a certain window of time the ability just disengages or maybe you could be able to kinda mash your "W" key to deny the pull

They should make Life Grip work like Bap's exo boots, where the ability literally can't be used until your feet are on the ground.

I feel like the elevator ability will be strong vs Orisa or Rein to prevent them providing shielding for teammates. You may only get them out the way for a second or two but that could be pretty high impact if it's timed right.

I think a good addition would be that the pull can be an accept such as f. But you can toggle to autoaccept so that high level players with good comms can do it without having to press an extra button

As a support player this looks incredibly fun to play, the life grab seems dangerous. although the danger is part of the fun lol

I promise yall im going to be a menace and pull all of you off the match

The life grip feels as though it will be a very skill dependent ability, I think it's very strong but will need skill and good decision making to use it properly and not tilt your team, Note: I think this ability would be great from protecting a zen or ana getting dived in the backlines.

I think life grip has crazy potential to enable a hero that normally isn’t a flanker, like bastion to make an insanely aggressive play that they normally wouldn’t survive due to lack of mobility cuz they can rely on life grip to pull them out

I think this is a good direction to be taking supports in, focusing less on being heal bots and bringing more utility to your team. they are called supports for a reason, they are there to support and while healing is a part of supporting it is not always the main factor that makes a support (think baptiste's immortality field or mercy's damage boost).

the detail with the flower reminds me of jumping when the elevator stopped when I was a kid

I think he will be amazing with Winston. Winston jumps in does his little dance and you just yank him out and heal him so he can instantly jump in and dance again. I think the rapid dive that's going to be possible with this is gonna be nuts. the free high ground for snipers is just gonna boost people like widow. they will be stupid strong because now they can save their grapple and just use your lift pad. so rapid dive and sniper is gonna be op as hell. wonder if you can pull a hog over a hole and have hog hook mid air while being pulled. the distance you will be able to pull people is gonna be nuts. you think hog was bad before, now he's not just hooking you down the road he's gonna hook you around corners and out of your bed while you sleep. maybe it will break the hook but if it combos with it... that's scary.

I feel like they probably will find a way to prevent pulling teammates off the map. They could just make it so the ability pulls teammates towards the nearest ledge if there’s no ground below you

i think the pull ability is the first ability in the game thats more helpful when other people tell you when to use it. i can definetly see it being used to yoink a genji back to safety after diving into the backline, but it will be the most effective when the genji tells you when to pull

For the pull ability make it so you cant do it mid air or whilst moving. Midair to prevent dying to death and also moving since they can get good timing on moving off the stage.

Problem with lifeweaver balance is the charge rate / to healing done and max healing / to ammo consumed and ammo capacity / to reload rate / to max fire rate. Suggestion would be a bigger burst heal for holding a heal for a longer time. Less ammo capacity and or consumes more ammo holding to max. The healing should never cap Bap's regenerative burst by more than 10 or something close or nano would also need something. Make the reload time longer and or ammo capacity to discharge rate to create a reasonable level of sustain to a single target. Use consumption of ammo to over charge a heal so the 1.75 second holding a burst of 65 healing provides a benefit with a larger while not game breaking level of healing 85 or 90 to the cap stated above. Hard light temp hp as a portion of the heal could work. Whatever lore or game mechanic it up. Just a rough draft of thoughts. Max fire rate of the heal should remain around the same I find it fairly balanced but maybe we are all playing him wrong. Side note. Hey Flats your content has taught me much and I watch your content of what I'm interested in because of your honesty and integrity. Your RU-vid shorts tiktok content reviewing people's thoughts on balance along with other content creators inspired an idea I want to share. Sharing it here because I appreciate your take and want to support you❤ instead of anyone else. Thank you Flats.

I feel like the pull would need a restriction similar to what Cass had with his roll before, where you can only use it when you're on the ground. Combined with the system that doesn't allow you to pull allies off ledges, it should go a long way in stopping you from pulling allies off the map.

I think the low healing could be fixed by allowing his dash to heal allies as well. Allows for a quick burst save with pull, primary, dash for 90 healing and a double reposition

Primary fire should make enemies drop pedals upon being damaged. The pedals can heal your team when they pick them up or up your own heals burst per 5 or 6 pedals idk. But there's ways to add passives that can make him more well-rounded

I feel like maybe a cancel option for the one grabbed could be added that way the troll goes way down or they could do it so that only low health targets or targets in dedicated death zones (i.e the edge of the map) possible ways they could fix the grab. The healing i feel should be a LITTLE bit faster to compensate for the low healing so its a little bit more frequent and better value.

When Flats came in to interrupt Flats my mind was blown, I mean what a crossover! It was like Flatsception!

Here's an idea, since he is like sym in a way and can make things with light, why not when Life Grip is done pulling the target towards you the shield "opens" up like a lotus, rose, whatever to make a small platform they can stand on to prevent that "trolling"

The flower on the floor can also be used to troll , it can save the enemy after a rein shatter or just send a reaper or someone away from the fight.

He seems fun to play and you can have a tug a war with road hog with his pull ability

One thing that wasn't mentioned about the whole trolling is ults, imagine nano blading and then getting pulled away, wasting 2 ults completely

Try placing the Flower platform on the edge of a drop off, jumping to the hanging bit, and pulling someone at the same time. If the person goes to your last known location, it'll drop them into the void every time, most likely.

the tree reminds me of an ability from Shadow Run on xbox 360. cant wait to play him next week!

The life grip might also be used as a strategy to stall point, grabbing teammates from like 5m away from you

Cant wait to play him. There is so much skill/outplay potential, due to his e and right click. Im really looking forward to play him!

I think the reason off-healers work so well is because they're still able to heal a decent amount in some way. For example, lucio has heal aura so he can focus on dmg, and zen has an orb he can just slap on someone and ignore. If you are taking the time to heal instead of damage, I think it should be decent, like mercy. I would love to try 4 second charge up with 100 max charge for a solid 25 hp/sec. Not crazy, but if you know your tank is entering widow sights you can keep that handy. He has a 25% speed penalty while charging so I honestly don't think it'd be super broken

the easy fix for the pulling off the map is to make it where you have to be firmly planted on something before you can pull your teammate. There may be some cheese spots that Im not aware of but it would significantly reduce the pulling people off the map issue. Now pulling your teammates away from or too enemies could still be a very big issue all things considered. Cool character tho and dope video!

I could definitely see the utility of Sym TP at spawn, Sym switches off, then gets pulled by him to catch up with everyone else

I really think Ana-Lifeweaver will be the support comp. Imagine Rein rushes in, gets pulls back to safety by Lifeweaver, then ana splashes him, restoring all his health instantly.

I LOVE "future Flats". We all need a Future Flats showing up every so often to let us know the future! :) Vid is great! Thank you! :)

I'm sure it'll be covered in a Mythbusters but I'm curious how the grab will interact with a charging rein or fortified orisa. Maybe can also be used to reposition Bob back to the fight

Thank you for stating your concerns with the character. We non-streamers can’t try out the character yet, so having a large voice state concerns can possibly influence patches before the character actually releases.

Honestly I’m excited for him, I main Dva so he can definitely save me in a lot of situations if I dive too deep. I also main widow so he could lift me up so I can get a pick or two! And his potential to cause havoc in total mayhem is going to be unrivaled.

i feel like limiting life grip to low health teammates or if theyre over a ledge that would normally lead to death like being hooked by a roadhog would be a pretty simple workaround for the ability to not be abused, i just hope that they find a way to prevent it because of how good it could be for tanks to push more safely and build ult without the entire team falling apart

I'm going to keep saying this. His pull should act like a zarya bubble blocking a small amount of damage. Or maybe gives something weak like zen healing. It also gives the person receiving the pull an option to confirm the pull. You can help your team mates win 1v1s with an option to escape. It's the only way to make having lifeweaver on your team not be incredibly tilting. At least with a confirm ability it only takes some of the agency away from lifeweaver and not every other character in the game. my only concern with the pull ability I described above. Is that players wont have enough time to react to confirm the pull. Giving them extra time to react might prove to be OP, letting players finish off a kill before being pulled away. You might be able to shorten the time the person receiving the pull has to react by a loud obvious sound cue, or a pink filter over their vision. In regards to everyone asking for a way to cancel. I don't think that would feel good at all. If you're playing rein for example. being pulled back just 1 or 2 meters will be enough that you cant confirm a kill.

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They definitely NEED to implement an accept feature on the pull or at least an option in settings that says like "can only be grasped if health is low" or "can only be grasped while crouching" or something.

I feel like to make up for the slowish healing the dash should heal who you run through as well.