This is why I would never work for a startup. "Many hats" is codeword for we need someone we can take advantage of doing work equivalent to multiple roles while paying them like they only work one.
And that's how you lose your chance to be an unique and independent personality. You will never be recognised for your work again and everything you work on will go to the credits of a nicely paying company.
Applied for a job at UPS a while back and at least they were kind enough to reject me with an email. Small companies, It’s not hard to email 5 words to candidates “The position has been filled”
It is pretty lame how companies can make you do free work for them, make you sit through a cringy interview answering their stupid brainteasers, and then ghost you.
If a company asks you to make a project for them before you are hired, I would tell them to fuck off! They should either ask you to write code for a generic problem or ask you to read through code and describe what the code does.
NEVER EVER send code of the interview project to a potential employer, unless it's snippets of code u done before... Some companies actually take your code and ghost u, if they are that interested in seeing your solution ask for a zoom call and u can demonstrate it, if they get bitchy about it, u ghost them and watch how quickly they wanna get back to u as u probably can do the code
It's better to not give such an interview altogether and avoid working for such a bad organization, because if you do then you'll probably regret after being hired as well
Guys I’m not salty, I’m sweet :3 But for real, I think this company is super promising. Most FANG company have their own in-house system for hiring labelers, and I know that it’s extremely valuable for any ML team. Getting trusted, reliable and cost effective labeled data is not easy for smaller companies. I actually feel honored that I even got to interview for them in the super early stages.
so wait? so what's the real china? america or china? so chinese american writes software? and chinese chinese writes software? whose the real chinese? LOLs.
“I’ll try to remember something I learned from one of Joma’s videos during the final” My mind during the final: “Baby cow, Baby cow, Baby cow, Mama cow”
Leaving him without the respond was disrespectful. This shows how the company treats people, makes me sick of them. It`s not all about money, afterall don`t forget the courtesy.
Companies are looking to hire stacks of employees. Yes, they could respond on every one of them, and that is often proven to do more harm than good. People often start asking questions "Why wasn't I hired" and demand the company to hire them or even sue them because they think they didnt hire them for other unfair reasons. By just ghosting them, its just less effort from every side. Dont look it from just one perspective. A company is made out of humans too and they too have their concerns and they also like to look nice, but sometimes being nice is just not worth the shit you'll eat.
@@longphan9194yeuem hehe. Nah I've been ghosted from a dozens of companies too :P Its frustrating, but nothing is perfect. Everything comes with a cost.
@@exapsy My main studies are psychology. And I once read a book writen by a couple of US doctors, The book was titlted Snakes in Suits : When Psychopaths go to work. Its a book about corporate mentality. Nowadays that is called sociopathy by researchers and ghosting is a prevalent method/tactic they used by sociopaths with the rise of internet communications and social media. I am not in the mood for details but you guys are better off not working for people like these.
@@hungrygrimalkin5610 I can agree. But since you're studying psychology you must also know that sociopathy is not something all people dont have. We all have it at times, we all behave sociopathically especially at people we dont know. Best example is TV Shows that show non-actors and people start wishing their death without them even trying to empathize with them and see how they feel. Another example is politicians or rich people. We never try to empathize with rich people or with politicians, and we always wish the worst for them. Or the worst to people we hate. This is by definition sociopathic behavior. It's not something new, its not a mental disorder that only "dangerous people" have. We're all dangerous in our own ways. Just saying "they're sociopathic stay away from them" is a dangerous unprofessional way to behave as a student in psychology who'll sometime become a professional. It's not a logical argument, it's an emotional one.
The ghosting by employers... It really shows a lack of maturity. Seems pretty rampant in the industry, also. Companies don't have to go into specifics and incur liability, but getting back to candidates in a timely manner should happen every time.
It definitely seems like they were fishing for free sample implementations of their basic framework to see different technical directions it could go. Cool approach, but you should be paying people to do that. Asking people to do it for free leads me to to believe you might treat future ethical matters with a total lack of ethics. This is a red flag especially in a machine learning company outsourcing labor, lots of ethical areas where you can violate privacy and take advantage of workers. The founders have shown questionable ethics from the start, so I certainly won't be choosing their service now.
Joma you were solicited for work,it wasn’t a test,this happens a lot,the point of tests is to asses someone’s ability,the reason they said in the beginning not to share with anyone is so that they don’t get caught publicly with this.Dont beat up yourself over it.It was messed up of them.
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats." Ah yeah so that means we are cheap and lazy, you have to do everything but we won't pay you more money for it.
Lol no, it means there is limited budget and the first few employees are going to need to cover multiple roles. Your comment applies to larger companies using that statement, in start ups it’s a very real situation
@@sbdxaric most startup fail so you get equity and stock options on something that doesn't have value... it's like playing poker. In the Bay Area they pay above market because a room rents for 2k a month...
I feel identified with you. I had an interview that they sent me to carry out a project, the application works well and passed the tests, I never had a feedback and they didn't say thank you, that experience taught me not to carry out more projects for startups or any small business anymore. joma you are awesome guy, thank you for sharing your experience
yeah, never do work like this for an interview . just shows whoever you are going to work for doesn't know what they're doing if they think this is a good way to hire people
Reminds me of an interview I had with a company that was in downtown San Francisco. They said we are working with the public, and they are not out there for profit first. Basically trying to justify paying their employees less (I saw the starting salary..about 30% than others were giving for a similar starting position). So they don't want to give competitive salaries, but they want their building to be in San Francisco, and their employees to live in the bay area. Talk about disaster; they probably have to rehire all the time because I'm sure people aren't staying with them for very long.
Just recently read an article of companies getting annoyed that applicants they hired don't even show up on the first day of work. A company quoted "They ghosted us for a better opportunity." Karma is sweet.
Now this is the content for which I subscribed. You are a fantastic software engineer. This episode truly has the charm to bring your views closer to you. Keep up the good work, Joma!
They probably wanted to set you as an unpaid intern... usually when someone presents two options and one is clearly the unfavorable one that is the option they wanted you to take.
What about that hard leetcode question though? That is seriously a wtf.. a tiny start-up asking hard leetcode questions together with a take home project is a no gone zone for me
@@theenigma1109 Can I ask what is so hard about that leetcode question? Because to me it seems like a pretty simple exercise. It's one thing to be asked to implement it in the most efficient manner, but that was just asking to implement it.
@@KingGorrinoIt felt ridiculous bc they need a software engineer, and he literally just implemented part of the software for them, if that doesn't pass the qualification, then it felt like a setup where they don't want to pay you for the full price, and just have you do part of the job for free.
I bet they didn't thought it would be a story on youtube with 2 million + views. Must be really proud of themselves, able to snatch a free code on top of a hundreds of million funding, Thanks for the share Joma, now we know.
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats." Very poor choice of words in a community that deals with coding and programming. Do you mean you want to hire someone who can wear White, Grey, and Black hats and switch said hats when it's convenient?
Someone who can code, cook, clean the dishes, do some 3-D design, SFX editor, able to repair the clogged toilet, drive the CEO's kids back to home and clean his feet
Scale is going to have to pivot soon given that their entire business model is based on providing data sets for training models. A study out of Waterloo about LO-shot learning is gonna change the game.
I've done more than 200 job interviews. I've held more than 500 job interviews. Cool engineer or not, 19 year olds rarely know shit about shit. On the strength of what I have seen you complete here in terms of coding know-how, sense of humour, creativity, work ethic and digital marketing success, I would offer you a job without an interview if I had a suitable position. Furthermore, all over the world, HR tends to be irrational low IQ resource wasting shit, its just that nobody appears to have noticed yet.
Most of the HRs that interview me aren't even qualified to be my employee. For that matter, 99% of the people in the corporate sector are big babies with nothing to show for decades of their work experience
@@buingocthientan7479 so? It doesn't mean that he is good at HR, or that he is polite, or that every singe decision is a good one. Wealth is one measure. He is filthy rich? Great. Congrats. He is a genius at AI and that is an area which is extremely valuable. My statement that "19 year olds rarely know shit about shit" is a harsh but reasonable statement. The entire IT approach to recruitment is amateurish, inconsistent, and ironically considering the industry, largely illogical. Hard work and intelligence are essential but there is still all of the erratic factors such as location, time, connections, and random other factors. You can understand this even better than me. From your name you have a Viet heritage? My experience of Vietnamese students is that they are among the hardest working, and most brilliant I have ever met.
He was probably pushed by his parrents to commit to it. We all live different lives, feeling imposter about it just makes things worse. Focus on things you can change, not what you can't change and you'll feel much happier. Love
How many lines of code was that project of yours? I’m not a frontend guy myself so it looked fairly advanced, seemed significant for a take-home interview assignment
@@dontcallmedzun3425 I didn't feel much watching the movie, but visuals were stunning. The only time I had a hole in the heart was after "your lie in April"
@@vik4975 I was literally going to mention that in my previous comment but thought - it's fine, I don't need tell how much of baby I am. But I really felt that movie to the bones, every single scene such as when he runs through hospital confused only to meet her on the bridge and kinda confession, man that shit is crazy "I want to eat your pancreas" also has some shitty plot.
I love your humbleness!!! (to the extent that you're making it public being rejected by a startup and making some fun out of it) man... if you got rejected i have no chance at all xD .. you're great n_n
I dont think so...Joma looks like an exciteable type of guy ...an A type personality ....a lets get it done now type of guy...he comes across like a guy who will respond your emails and messages....like he got the ettiqute protocol on point ....big ups to him...
Leak their code unless you agreed to not do it. Actually that's an interesting thing to look out for they didn't want you to share the code with anybody which shows that it might actually be confidential information directly related to what they are building
that sounds like one of the classic question out of 'cracking the code interview' book. Don't remember it exactly how to do it, probably need something like a min-heap and a max-heap. It has been quite a while since I had to practice any interview questions. Feeling pretty rusty
I think what they wanted was to you build an object detection model using OpenCV or YOLO, which automatically draws boxes around cows or anything else in picture.
Isn't the answer to the question to use a min heap and max heap combination with the streaming median being the heap with +1 node or average them both if they're both the same size?
They probably already decided to ghost you when you said you were looking for a full-time position, When they say cringey shit like "Someone who can wear many hats" what they really mean is "We are looking for young talent who we can underpay and exploit" or in a single word "intern".
I always laughed when interviewer gave me some task to do at home ;) These times the recuritment tasks requires many hours to resolve due to their complexity. No one pays you for your time plus even if done correctly, you do not have quarantee to get hired. I got situation once when the company gave me feedback "the solution does not satisfy us". When I tried to get more detailed explanation they simply cut off the entire communcation ^^. I consulted that task with a few friends including senior software engineers and each of them said that task definately had been done correctly. Neverthless tasks do not show the value of candidate.
As someone who's part of the other side of the interview process, I've read dozens of homework assignments that took anywhere from 2h to 2-3 days. The thing is that my company does the real interview only after the home assignment is reviewed, which is super weird. I protested many times to this approach, because it asks candidates for a lot of their time, when it's not yet clear that they'd be even a close fit to the role. I've reviewed pretty shit code that seems to have been written by someone who did literally their 2nd project ever, and we require someone who can program robots from scratch. But all my protests fell on deaf ears, and I got snarky attitudes like "if the candidate is serious about joining, they'll spend that time, it's a filter". I'm like WTF do you think you are? There are a myriad of companies out there. This entitlement is killing me. Anyway, I'm lining up for a few offers elsewhere, so I'll probably quit within the next few days. It has been quite a toxic experience, and a good learning experience - learning what things are actually red flags to watch out for next time.
@@napillnik I hope you found better place now Donnie. As a job-seeker, it is very frustrating too have to complete test left alone test that only had 24 hours to complete or second test "just to make sure" from the bigger boss. And I'm stuck in that situation now. But knowing that some recruiter do care like you, make me feel better!
I had an interview for an internship, and I submitted a whole working code for data design platform, and heard nothing. Took about 6 hours of my life lol.
I find it rude when a potential employer does not give the result of the interview and you have to guess from the silence. It would take them a minute to just write a short email saying the application was not successful. Even more so after you spent some time on their assignment.
Funny thing, i was rejected from a full time interview too, not gonna lie was a big hit to my confidence, then got freelancing jobs which pays me double the amount in lesser and flexible time.
