I'm certain it's a conversion reboot, there will be but a few links to the original frame. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the concepts were scrapped for a new context.
Based on the lore from the ARG, it seems shockingly in line with the original. The only glaring difference I've noticed is the fact that the ship in the trailer is supposedly the Marathon, despite clearly not being a hollowed Deimos
@@Herobuilder21t could be a highly stylized, hollowed Deimos. From my POV, the “potato bomb” looking Marathon you see out the window of the Pfhor ship was asking for an artistic redesign.
@@deriznohappehquite I want to say you're right, but bungie is run by the kind of nerd-artists who would strive for an accurately designed body in space, making the uniquely shaped asteroid into a perfectly round earth moon doesn't seem their style
I’d bet it’s gonna be a lot similar to what Apex is to Titanfall. I’m sure there will be a ton of references in map design, but your average player will be focusing more on gameplay. Sure a few might see it once and think it’s cool, but most will be too young to have played marathon and understand it or too busy not dying. The game’s lore sustenance will be from FOMO events.
1:52 Bungie is currently also working on a new IP alongside this project named "Matter" for a new creative universe. With that being said I believe that this Marathon reboot is a means to quickly enter the Extraction Shooter genre while it remains hot and fairly uncontested with a strong foundational universe to cut down on development time by bypassing the need to reach the standards for lore and backstory Bungie IPs are known for.
World building is incredibly hard when trying to create a top tier space for players to interact with. The lore development and reasons for players doing what the game is centered around gets exponentially harder and more time consuming on big projects like this. Bungie is renowned for creating magnificent worlds that’s take the player out of reality and into a fascinating universe. It’s quite obvious that Bungie saw all the marathon lore and story elements and realized that it would cut off years of development. Beyond that many of the original story points in marathon are conveniently easy to relate to an extraction based game. Essentially you can summarize this entire point in one phrase: work smarter not harder.
The world is already built dense fucking space colonizers , AI descending into madness and trying to achieve immortality while there are snipets of how vagina mouth monsters procreate and get turned into cyborgs AND TIME TRAVEL TO THE PAST
@@funtourhawk that’s exactly what they are doing. Reusing already established work. I’ve played 1k hours of destiny this year, I’m pretty familiar. The question of it being a good or bad strategy is up to each individual.
But it's insanely easy to contrive a scenario for an extraction game. Look at Dark and Darker, or any other extraction genre game for that matter. There are multiple things that bother me about this. Why didn't they give it a subtitle to differentiate it from a direct sequel or prequel? Why is the art style completely different now and incredibly overdone/overused? It looks like a blend of Mirror's Edge and the awful not-80's "vaporwave" aesthetic that is so overused in newer games. Basically a kid's idea of what 80's aesthetic and color coordination looks like. It's frustrating, because I kind of like extraction games, but I also like Marathon _because it is Marathon_ . There was nothing at all recognizably Marathon in this trailer. I'm not talking about game mechanics, but just iconography, setting, set pieces. _Anything_ . This reminds me of when Arkane tried to make a -shock games successor and Bethesda forced them to name it "Prey" because "we still own the rights for that, might as well use them" even though a game with that exact title was released 10 years prior. It's an incredibly petty way to save money especially for a AAA publisher.
It is possible they worked on a reboot or sequel to the 90's Marathon games, and during the testing phase some of the devs used assets from it to build an extraction PvP map from it, just for fun, and through development, they shifted the focus to that particular mode only - similar to what happened with Titanfall 3 which became APEX Legends. There could be numerous things having gone on behind the scenes that lead to this outcome, without it requiring clear intent or planning, and it just "flew" in that direction.
Who told you that Apex legends was supposed to be Titanfall 3 then got turned into a BR? From what I understand they didn’t even attempt Titanfall 3 until recently and scrapped the project.
@@YourBlackLocal ex dexs have confirmed that this was the case, they ditched development of titanfall 3 around the time that the battle royale craze started and they began development of apex legends instead
The problem is that, this isn't the same Bungie who made Halo, or even the original Marathon for that matter. I think they're using what's ever in the vault to make whatever they want, and ignoring what came before it. Remember everyone, people move on and Bungie isn't known for Halo anymore, it's known for Destiny now, and anyone who did work on Halo, is probably all gone now.
This is a good point that people should keep in mind, but at the same time if there WAS a dev team made entirely of people that worked on the original marathon, their skills and expertise are severely outdated in today's gaming industry. Having the original team wouldn't guarantee the reboot would be great, and not having the original team doesn't guarantee the new one will suck. Just hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
@thomasj0330 do you think people stop learning once they start a job? If the dev team from the original were still working. They would have the same skills as any other devs in this current era.
There's merit in the "old guard" theory. Look at Calisto Protocol, it was made by the original people behind Dead Space, hailed as one of, if not the, best horror shooter around, and yet CP was not good.
It's the same for most fandoms. Take NFS for example, 8/10 fans screaming all the time to EA "make another Underground/Most Wanted!!!!". How many of the devs that actually worked the main parts of those games work in EA and it's companies? They don't care, they just want their 20yo game again and they won't get it from EA. It's the same with Bungie. Bungie us just Destiny now, and this Marathon will be the same. See you guys again, when Bungie takes content away from this game too.
I imagine the decision to use Marathon for an extraction shooter is because the story was very much told through environmental storytelling. Progress through an area - find a terminal to learn more. All the while working with/for different key actors along the way. That concept I think lends well to extraction - and you can start shifting that storytelling from just terminals to other collectable McGuffins in the world.
Yeah, Marathon’s level design is “teleport in, kill enemies, read terminal, kill enemies, accomplish objective, kill enemies, read terminal, kill enemies, solve puzzle, kill enemies, get lost, kill enemies, accomplish objective, read terminal, teleport somewhere else” It’s not a story driven game in the same way as “The Last of Us”, or something like that. The storytelling is all environmental or text based.
Even though Marathon doesn't have such a massive fanbase clamoring for it to come back like most 90s games as you said, they're definitely not hinging the success of it on namesake alone. But I think its important not to ignore how much conversation and hype that can be generated around concepts such as "notable studio bringing back their old IP" is whether or not that name is popular on its own. Bungie itself is popular, basically a household name, its an easy conversation builder in journalism and marketing to say they're bringing back their original IP, even throwing buzzwords like "the original Halo" and stuff goes pretty far in marketing. Also they probably realized they should start expanding outside of just Destiny and its easy to build a second franchise out of something instead of starting from scratch.
Wow I really love the art style they are going for. Being a huge Homeworld fan I love the industrial multicolor look. I've only played a limited amount of Marathon as we never had a Mac in our home, but I expect Bungie to deliver something that would satisfy old fans. If the anti cheat is solid, this is a go for me as I don't play those games usually because of the cheating.
I would like to mention Halo 1 was originally going to be set in the same universe as marathon and alot of the games lore and story was built on marathon's lore and before halo 2 came out i think they still intended to fit halo's lore into marathon somehow but later scrapped it and changed halo 2's story to what we know now. And with alot of lore, concepts and even direct references to Marathon in destiny i dont think its as hard as you think it is to make this extraction shooter based in the marathon universw since in a way Bungie never really left marathon. And with bungie redefining FPS games with halo 1 and with destiny redifining live service games with i think theres still a chance for them to redefine extraction shooters with marathon since this is the first large scale company making a full extraction shooter i think.
Yeah for some reason Bungie is strangely talented at sticking to and working on ideas over multiple decades even when almost none of the people who originally worked on it are still there anymore
my best guess is that it was easier to pitch a reboot to an existing IP than a brand new one, that’s becoming more and more common in pretty much every industry
As someone who plays a LOT of Destiny 2 PVP, no Bungie does not care about cheaters, or at least nowhere near as much as fixing glitches and progressing the PVE content. Now having a standalone PVP game might shake up their priorities though, or at least incentivize them on finally making an anti-cheat work for them.
They did spend a LOT of money to go after cheat sellers over the past few years The sad thing is that this probably wasn’t in the interest of caring about or protecting Destiny 2, since its PvP is being left to rot, makes me think it was possibly done with Marathon largely in mind D2 PvP hasn’t had cheating this bad since the Y3-Y4 era, although cheating spikes anytime population is low though, so that probably explains it
Bungie goes out of their way to state "no steam deck support" because they claim linux platforms hosts the most amount of cheaters. They want to stop cheaters, they dont want to do any work to stop cheaters.
This reeks of trademark protection. IP holders need to use a trademark in commerce at regular intervals or it can't be enforced. This, combined with the fact that HD remakes of old games are all the rage right now, makes it plausible that they're using the name to drum up interest in the franchise for a new audience.
Marathon will be set in the same universe as the original games. A big part of why they chose this setting is that it's a world with already-established deep lore. Part of the reason for Destiny's success is the enormous account of lore that is built into it. I recommend checking out My Name Is Byf and his video on the new game.
I kinda wanna see an extraction shooter x singleplayer story x traditional multiplayer game, I know marathon won't be this but it would be cool. You have the item gathering sections be pvp extraction shooter segments, the singleplayer segments allow for the alien invasion plot, so do the traditional multiplayer segments, these could be like COD's zombies gamemode where you try to survive aliens or pvp match with no item loss just a reduction in something like a reputation that allows you to earn money faster or something. The security guard part of the plot would fit wonderfully here aswell, you could just be a mercenary hired to do these jobs.
1:22 I can assure you that atleast 1 million people are interested in the game based on nostalgia alone looking at the view counts of youtube videos about/reviewing Marathon.
I think that they are using the Marathon IP because the lore that they have constructed for the game is too expansive to be left untouched. The story is really well thought out, and sometimes crazy (Marathon infinity) and so it would be best for them to expand on an existing story.
It's the fact that it's a little-known title that allows them to freely reuse it. People who don't know won't care, and will just see it as a new title; at most finding about the old Marathon after the fact and being like, 'Oh, that's neat." The people who do already know should mostly understand that it's an ancient and dead franchise, so this sort of full-overhaul type reboot isn't so unwarranted. That said, while I do enjoy the over-the-top, high-florecent take on "modern retro," I do find myself wishing that it had that dark and dingy early-90s aesthetic; just because you don't see much of that in sci-fi anymore. Also, Mandalore made videos about Marathon that probably added 1-2 million people to that list of people familiar with old Marathon. Also, also: "I Have One Question About Bungie's New Marathon" -proceeds to pose several questions, lol.
I'm skeptical of the whole ordeal, but I wholeheartedly accept Bungie coming in as a competitor against BSG (makers of Tarkov), the sub-genre of FPS needs more competition! Extraction shooters and cheaters go hand in hand, Hunt Showdown is probably the only major extraction-shooter with the least cheater problems, another notorious example would be "The Cycle: Frontier" with the cheater problem increased ten fold because it is Free to Play The Cycle: Frontier is probably the closest example we have with this new "Marathon" game bungie is working on, both are sci-fi futuristic extraction shooters The upcoming game probably won't be as hardcore/tactical as Tarkov; as those would drive out the casual players (sadly) also, I think the main reason Bungie decided to re-use an old IP, is probably the same reason movie-studios hire well-known actors for movies; to make it easier to push execs and higher-ups of the idea all in all, looking forward to what Bungie is cooking up
I'm interested in the lore (and how it connects or atleast reinterprets the original), not very interested in the game. I'm still going to play it (if it's F2P, which i'll assume for now it is), i just don't think i will stick around with the game for long, between being bored with BR/Extraction Shooters and already knowing first hand how scummy the business practices of Bungie are via Destiny 1 and 2 (specially 2)...
Oh, so they're finally modernizing a really cool old dormant franchise, but they're turning it into a shitty MP only generic shooter? Hell yea, can't wait to immediately cast this announcement out of my mind again.
As someone who is in that group of 50 or so people who love the OG marathon games I have to say it was a rollercoaster of emotion being hyped as hell for a marathon reboot and then wildly disappointed by learning it was an extraction multiplayer shooter. I think what makes marathon actually stand the test of time is its insane storytelling and narrative focus and I'd love to see it's great characters and plot modernized since it was restrained to being told via text files in the original because of how old it is. Instead we are getting a multiplayer only game and that's a big bummer to me. Maybe they will somehow work the narrative into it in a satisfying way but I personally don't see it happening.
I wanna be a bit more optimistic than some of these comments and note that Marathon's method of storytelling, through heavy use of terminals, would work incredibly in an extraction shooter environment.
I had kind of been wondering this, but I think it's about how much actively interactable space there has to be in an extraction shooter, and using Marathon gives a huge amount of lore and themes to help them produce a huge map that actually has consequence in story and gameplay. Like, a random standing structure in a game like this would typically just be a good opportunity for loot or cover, but, by taking all of the work that has previously done on Marathon, there are numerous options for each structure you come upon related to worldbuilding, giving the game more depth in a consistent and accessible way.
Bungie’s design strategy for games now is to make games that last forever. I think they’re using Marathon because they have 3 games worth of world building they can mine for story content. Basically letting the existing IP do a lot of creative grunt work so they can pump out more content for the reboot
Frog blast the vent core! I can see why they'd want to tap in to that market, especially if they can release on console - I'm a bit gutted it's not going to be campaign or story driven as that was the whole appeal of Marathon originally but I think if they'd announced a new extraction shooter with a totally new IP my gut feeling is that it would garner less attention. Marathon is the forerunner to Halo, after all
I think people’s idea of a “story driven” game has changed a lot. People think of games loaded with cutscenes and in-game dialogue like The Last of Us. Actually playing Marathon is shooting bad guys (or good guys in parts of Infinity), navigating labyrinthine mazes and puzzles, and reading terminals. There were no cutscenes or dialogue.
I think Bungie have always looked at development as: building a collection of assets, looking at what they have, and saying, "what can we do with this to make it good?" Now, this is coming from a thirty-something gamer who's most valuable contribution to this discussion includes - at most - having bought the "Collector's Editions" of the first several Halo games and watched the "Making Of" documentaries contained therein. Who doesn't remember the "RTS" version of Halo? (This is me, passing you the grain of salt.) I think it's using what they have available. Bungie's titles all have the same kind of setting, so why just make another one? This, they haven't touched the franchise in decades, so it's not in any modern gamers' heads. They don't have to go through all the trouble to create a new universe and backstory, and can update it / market it as a reboot, and continue on with a substantial part of their legacy (especially considering their beloved Halo is tarnished, at this point). I would compare it to Apex Legends & Titanfall, right? Simply a much longer timeline between the two iterations of the universe...
The original IP wouldn't necessarily be a limiter - look at Fallout, it did pretty well undergoing a total shift between FO2 and FO3, jumping from an isometric turn-based game into a FPS and exploded its lore into a story many times bigger than it originally was. Bungee can do something similar here, it's just a question of whether they can keep the original personality of the game intact while they do it. They just have to see the original game as an inspiration while building what is practically a new IP rather than just "converting" the existing one. Fingers crossed, this one might have some potential, could actually pull me into extraction shooters finally.
I think it's so they can come around full circle and reimagine the early stuff. Like a passion project. Bungie has always been into easter eggs and referencing things. Well this game can be one big nod to their OG franchise
I never played Marathon, but I was always interested in where Bungie started. I liked the world and aesthetics, and it looks like they're doing a good job of updating it. I can now sort of experience the world they started with, without having to go ad play a somewhat clunky older game.
It's their IP, so they can do what they want with it, there aren't any restrictions. Setting it in that world gives people a talking point. There are already a bunch of videos, like this one, discussing what it means and what the world will look like based on the old games. Its basically easy marketing and a starting point for Narrative and Wold design.
an easy reason Bungie probably used the Marathon IP is that its just easier then registering a new IP, they have been sitting on the IP for 30 years, so best to use it eventually
and they're committing all the weapon design sins, designing stuff from a 1970s esque standpoint where "bullpups are high tech" and thumbhole stock, wraparound grips
I think the restrictions imposed by the use of an old IP you mention might actually be a reason why they chose to revive Marathon into this game specifically. It not only gives them a strong foundation to start with but an opportunity to expand upon that old material in a challenging setting being a new genre. This style of creative buildup is often credited with resulting in excellent stories; restrictions place barriers with which to test new ideas and encourage creative writing but with a solid and self critical framework guiding it. It basically can help with avoiding directionlessness in the name of unbound creativity that sometimes, just creates a mess. Building into a new genre where creative narrative design is already a struggle most developers don't really engage with would really benefit from a strong starting vision, imposed by creative restrictions to overcome.
I mean, it's similar restrictions on creative design that made the original Marathon games so notable. Games with such deep lore and narrative design were more or less non-existent at the time in the 3d fps game space due to limitations imposed by available size, being a new medium, etc. but Bungie were committed to finding ways to tell these stories regardless. They achieved this through written dialogue with 'non-human' npcs such as the 3 AI in the Marathon games, or through books, item descriptions, or conversations with corpses in their earlier Pathways into Darkness. The restrictions informed exactly how they could tell their stories and thus also informed rules on what would work vs what wouldn't. It also opened up new avenues on how they could tell them that in many modern games, we are clearly missing. The interactions between the AI npcs, their early cryptic messages that you find foreshadowing later story beats and introducing themes implied nowhere else. This stuff is what made the original Marathon great, so it's not just how choosing Marathon imposes creative restrictions on an extraction shooter, but also how going with an extraction shooter imposes restrictions on telling Marathons story, and the new avenues they open up for each other.
Honestly, I just like the name and the trailer looks super polished. Given your point that nobody really remembers Marathon in the first place - Bungie doesn't need to strictly adhere to the original Marathon feel. It's not like there's a huge Marathon base that is going to backlash if Bungie changes it a bunch. I expect it to mostly feel like a new IP just with a dope name that old games used to hold.
all the comments here are at least 3 lines long, and i just wanted to point that out 'cause it shows how invested most viewers are. and i really just dont get it how you can cram such a quantity of quality content in this short of a video, i applaud you.
If I had to guess, the project was probably pitched by Bungie as a single-player Marathon reboot following the success of Doom Eternal, but was pivoted into a multiplayer experience early in development.
I’m just not a huge extraction guy I feel like it’s a gimmick that will be stale in a couple years just like BRs. I’d really love to see some story stuff for Marathon or even a arena shooter game mode but we’ll see. Here’s to hoping.
It likely would suggested by someone who was higher up. Because it's a good name for an extraction shooter. Would no understanding or knowledge that there was a game previously done by the company with that title. And people were just too damn afraid to say hey you really might want to reconsider.
Doubt it considering Jason Jones is still at the company + Destiny has had it's handful of references to Marathon in the past (as well as many parallelisms even before the original Destiny came out) + The trailers and ARG have references to the original games. I don't know why exactly go back to Marathon, but the devs are pretty much aware of the series and lore, even if for some reason it hasn't been mentioned in the trailers or ViDoc (probably to not confuse people).
Bungie is a brand. The people who made Halo and D1 a wild success do not work there anymore. Whatever Bungie is now, is completely different to what it was. Whatever Marathon is now, is completely different to what it was. Expectations are low.
I hope this is their cumulative masterpiece with Halo's shooting, destiny's pve mech's loot builds etc, bring it back to their og ip. Bungie's perfected gambit would be so cool to see.
I've never played an extraction shooter, but it seems like a genre I'd find fascinating. That being said, Destiny 2's PvP has been a bit of a mess for a few years now, and it seems like Bungie likely shifted many of their veteran PvP developers to Marathon. So on the one hand that seems like a good sign, but also they have been letting Destiny's PvP languish for quite awhile, which has kind of eroded my faith that Bungie will handle it well.
I have all the same concerns and more. I'm worried they'll make a big deal out of progression and the choice between grinding or paying to achieve that progression. I just want a reasonably priced game that I only have to buy once, but considering what they've done with Destiny 2, that's very unlikely to happen.
The best thing you can do for an extraction shooter IMO is have pvp be king. Having players be forced to fight over the loot is so much more interesting then hiding away from people to sneak away loot
It makes perfect sense that Marathon was the choice when creating a new extraction shooter. The amount of existing storyline and lore means that the world you're building in already "exists." If the main gameplay loop is, 'drop in, fight enemies, loot gear, get out,' you have so much more time to develop and polish those aspects of the game, while writers and directors have 3 whole titles of existing story and characters to develop the lore/story that goes with it. Not as a focus, but as a compliment to it.
I’m not concerned about the creative “limitations” the Marathon IP can bring with it. (Creative) Limitations often lead to better results than starting with a blank slate. It can give instant direction and can benefit a project’s development progress greatly. Also, considering the IP is till in the hands of the original developer, I’m optimistic that Bungie will do the franchise justice.
You really are naive aren't you. Bungie isn't what they used to be most of the devs that worked on Halo, Destiny left the studio. The glory days are long gone
@@Legion849 that’s a separate issue to my point that working within the limitations of an existing IP can benefit the creation process. I’m optimistic about how Bungie will modernise the Marathon universe based on the new Marathon iconography they showed in the teaser trailer. How they will go about monetising this new title is a separate issue.
I played the original marathon recently you can try it as well its free and i can see how it can turn into an extraction shooter how you go through terminal to terminal completing the tasks AI tell you to get extracted out of the mission area with good writing and accessing terminals making the game easier for you with good writing as someone who was born after 2003 i can tell you that this game had me hooked with the bad graphics
Bungie also view bot their reveal trailer on their RU-vid channel and weren’t subtle about it. So I’m somewhat skeptical. Will wait for this game to release and get properly reviewed before buying I think.
This feels like the type of thing that PlayStation bought Bungie for, as PlayStation has been focusing more on Single Player games as of the last decade compared to GAAS games, and I believe they did say that they will be focusing on Multiplayer games this generation, and that Bungie was the acquisition to make this possible.
I don't think it presents a significant challenge over a brand new IP. If anything, getting to build onto an existing foundation gives them a starting point and already established lore ... and being able to explore a different time period than the original games leaves plenty of room for new ideas and creative flexibility.
eh, i was interested for a second since its roots is like a single player shooter in a futuristic setting kinda like dead space and or halo, doom but then when you talked about what they were turning into, and i don't think i'd touch it with a 50 foot pole.
I don’t think it’s a problem that the game is based on the Marathon universe. I’ve never played those games which makes me intrigued because there is already some established lore to dive into. Ofc fans of the original games migh’ve wanted a true sequel but as someone who has no nostalgia for those games, I’m open for anything.
I genuinely excited for this game, I think that making this game an extraction shooter is honestly a great move for the story they are trying to make, just the idea of a bunch of runners being hired to figure out what happened to everyone in the city already has my brain working a bunch of theories
I was very disappointed to realize it was exclusively an extraction shooter. I hope the plan is to show investors or Sony (their now parent company) that a Marathon campaign can work...
Because most people would’ve shrugged this off as a flashy trailer if it was new IP- we wouldn’t still be talking about and analyzing it weeks later if it wasn’t Marathon. More tangibly, Marathon is already a universe deeply-steeped with lore, ripe for further storytelling- and perhaps even connected to the Halo universe in some tangential way (why is Marathon logo in the original Halo 1 logo?) Why Marathon? It’s been close to 30 years and people want that 90s neon spice once again. Marathon is both retro-modern flashy, and deep and mysterious enough to outgun most modern attempts at building a universe. As long as they don’t jump the shark (which might be difficult; Marathon was borne out of an ear of campy over-the-top humor), I think Marathon will be a breath of fresh air.
“50 people who would be interested in the game out of nostalgia alone…” Good jorb making up weasel word numbers to validate an invalidate point. Just people you didn’t have a Mac in the 90s doesn’t mean half a million people didn’t and adore the franchise.
I mean, you said it yourself. I know very little but if the marathon fan base is small to an almost "left behind" stage, is changing the lore that big of a deal. Is the universe that deep and fleshed out?
Or maybe, during the brainstorming on how to make a Marathon sequel, someone had been inspired by the title and came up with idea of building a whole new game around marathon theme. Yes, it is strange, it is not an old game but the visuals and setting are absolutely stunning. Brilliant!
I think bungie is treating at as if it was a new ip because the gameplay is much different from the original. They’re most likely doing this so people can theory craft because bungie always leaves hints on their games so people who make lore videos will look into the original for ideas and potential future lore when the game officially releases. Similar thing with halo and Destiny. Destiny 1 was hinted a while back before it released and people thought it would be similar to halo and while it wasn’t too close to halo there were hints of the universe of the two being connected with a master chief cryo pod Easter egg and the Destiny 2 anniversary adding halo themed weapons. I’m guessing the lore of marathon will have some relation to the original. Personally I don’t see a difference between them making a new ip or using this one because bungie can always just add on to it like how they do for Destiny. I doubt everyone knows the lore is based on an older game because I think most people are interested in what the gameplay loop will be.
Seeing that Bungie has been putting a big emphasis on the lore, worldbuilding, and storytelling, i feel like it would just be easy to take marathons universe. which already has a good chunk of lore, an use it instead of having to write a whole new universe.
When I heard it would be a "Seasonal" extraction shooter, My heart imdiately sank and I lost all interest. Definetly absolute nail in the coffin for me after I was so excited for a new bungie singleplayer / co-op campaign in a sandbox. All form no function so far such a rug pull for me.
Not trying to be mean or anything. But you really had hopes for this? Since the first one it became Destiny's Bungie, not the other way around. Bungie only makes always online looter shooters, Respawn only makes battle royale (when it comes to fps), square Enix makes bad decisions and activition milks mediocre CODs. A few of the modern rules that people seem to ignore just for a little hype.
As someone who grew up playing Marathon, as well as a few of the community games, and still plays it to this day, I'm very.... hesitant to see them touch this franchise at all by turning it into an extraction shooter. I adore the story and world of Marathon, and I think they're just going to mess it up or throw out the majority of the story and characters, like Durandal, Leela, Thoth, and Tycho. Maybe I'm just a purist, but I don't like the direction this looks to be going already.
If current Bungie had any respect for the original Marathon then there would probably be a campaign to go along with the multiplayer, and the art style would not at all look like this.
I'm a fan of the lore of marathon, it's a surprisingly fascinating setting that could work really well as groundwork for countless creative endeavors. I also like Hunt Showdown, and considering we see a compiler in the trailer, I would love if there were some PVE elements to this game to go alonside the PVP
@@deriznohappehquite well, yeah. I guess I should have worded what i meant better. I want a good amount of PVE with a decent variety of Phor (Not checking the spelling on that lol) enemies. Doesn't necessarily have to be as much PvE as Hunt, since the marketing seems focused on the PvP, and it seems like the broader setting isn't quite aware of the Aliens on the planet, as far as I've seen
I like the lore too. In fact I think it's the strongest point of Marathon. The problem is this game and its format does not really offer any interesting avenues to tell stories. So I can't imagine why I'd be interested in this particular game.
@@CrizzyEyes I mean, how did the old games tell their stories and deliver their deeplore? Terminals and secrets. Both of those can totally work on a huge extraction shooter map. Just because no extraction shooter hasn't tried to tell a story, doesn't mean you can't use them for that. If the game I'd good, I can see bungie delivering on a cool story deciphered by the community delivered through extraction objectives and stuff hidden on the map. I don't see why "go get the information off this old terminal/flash drive or whatever Cant be baked into the gameplay as an extraction shooter. If handled right, I can imagine an invested community sprouting up to puzzle out the story. Suffice to say, I'm not too worried about the delivery medium for the story and lore (which, as a pedantic bitch, I feel a need to point out are different things), I'm more worried about whether the gameplay will be meaningfully improved over the competition or will it repeat the issues of games like tarkov?
either there is some underlying lore message coherent to the extraction genre, or they’re just doing like prey. result of chaotic development may also serve as an explanation.
One thing I think would really make this marathon game really blow up as if they somehow made it so that the ending of the third marathon where the main character is jumping to multiple dimensions is the focus of this game. If they did that they might have the main character drop into the Destiny world for a moment, or maybe even the Halo world, and then a bunch of other worlds they would create fresh and new. They wouldn't have to explicitly say it's Halo to make it look very Halo and not be Halo legally. Cuz at the end of the last marathon the marathon ship itself was jumping between dimensions and alternate realities. This would be a pretty crazy setting and withdraw a lot of people in.
The extraction elements would be that the marathon is only going to be in that dimension for a certain amount of time, and if you fail to return to the marathon you will be left behind. But they need you to gather resources or some kind of artifact from that alternate universe that might have been left behind by the pfor. Anyway this is all speculation, but this would all sell extremely well for probably 10 to 15 years. Lol
Other games would be scrambling to be included in the marathon multiverse, especially things like Fortnite who aren't extraction shooters and therefore would only benefit by including the marathon main character in their game.
I'm betting Bungie decided they wanted an extraction shooter first, long before they had a name. When they were concepting a game about shooting other players while racing the clock, they realized "Marathon" was a really good fit for that. I'm not at all saying that was the right choice because of all the history Marathon has as a different type of shooter entirely, but I do think Marathon is a cool name.
I almost wonder if the "using an existing IP limits you" might be deliberate. Like, often working with limitations creates a better result, and DOOM Eternal is a strong proof that bringing successful retro gaming concepts into the modern gaming world can make for some ridiculously fun games, so why not use a successful retro IP to set your limits on a new game? Of course, I've never actually played Marathon OR any extraction shooters, so I can't say too much about this specific instance.
I was exited as hell when I watched the trailer. This looked like a bold new reimagining of Marathon. But when I heard it's a service game something inside me died. But it makes sense given the fact sony spent billions on bungie.
Gaming all waking hours in the '90, shooting everything in about every FPS I was wondering, why I've never heard of Marathon. It was an Apple exclusive. You mentioning "appealing to about 50 people" makes a lot more sense now :)
It's gonna be an initial flash in the pan on sales. But it's gonna be an overall shallow experience designed to be a platform to push microtransactions. Bungie isn't in the "game" of making good games. They've said so themselves in their design philosophy. "Don't over deliver." "Quality doesn't matter it's all about fast output." "We aren't interested in box sales. We want to catch whales."
there's an open source version for marathon (Alephone) that's still being developed to this day.. I agree, anyone who played Marathon is in their 40s by now, but it's an interesting idea, and at least a few of us remember the game,, Now do MYTH please for the love of God do myth!!!!!!!!!!! And for that matter Oni
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony came and said "We need new service-game, Bungie. You have that Marathon franchise, right? Develop it, and, if possible, consider a chance turning it into Halo-killer".
It's dead in the water. People who like games like that, already have a game that they and all their friends are playing. And people who don't are not going to try it, like me.
Nah, people who play these kinds of games are very willing to try other new ones that come out. The existing games have a lot of their own issues so it's very easy to want to try out a new one haha.
@@NafenX they will play some rounds, but if their friends don't move with them they will stop playing. even if only ONE friend says he going to stay with old game everyone will stay with him. I know people who hate WoW or LoL, but still play because they have that one friend that likes the game.
I would guess it's mostly because it's hard to build a story and lore in online multiplayer. Most games use comics or unlockable dialogue or just web postings and they don't feel as connected to the game, and few people even bother with them.
Marathon is just a really good name. Especially for an extraction shooter. Sounds like a struggle to make it as far as you can. If I owned the rights to the title "Marathon" and wanted to make an extraction shooter, why would I use anything else? as for the lore implications, i doubt there are enough die-hard marathon fans out there who care about the story enough for it to be a big deal to Bungie.
