I Have To Talk About This INSANE K-pop Idol Made in Abyss Controversy 

top worst fanbase in history

Im them and id get a sponsoerd made in abys concert or what ever lol

teenage girls are scary man, just look at the female audience of Howl's Moving Castle. I've seen some things... 😨

he's not even watching the one we're watching. korea banned any controversial or s***ual scenes and any material in their country and every show, movie, book goes through extreme revision in the country. the rating for MIA is 15+ which means kids can watch it, but to take care of the bloody scenes from the fights. soobin hasn't even seen the entire uncut show and he's still not recommending it to people based on how scary the fights are in the show.

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Right

100%!!!! And they say themselves that “it’s just fiction”… Well you are reading/writing about REAL life people.

@@mi-000001000% correct. The hypocrisy is funny.

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Twitter hasa lot of kpop smuts😭

Not just anime, sadly, because it started crossing into (like shown here, and what I saw through the meltdown that day) - any form of fiction (live action, book, manga, anime - etc) that had that sort of stuff. Majority of whom I saw (both in KPOP twt and anitwt) were all around the ages of young teens (as in just allowed to use twt unless they're younger than that) to young adults (low to mid 20s at most). I was so glad that on my actual TL either people didn't know anything about it or were pissed that people couldn't separate fiction/reality (as you said).

i'm the same age as you and i agree. these kids would never have survived early 2000s/2010s anime lmao

They may be of age but they're mentally not stable, obsessive, irrational and most of all delusional. Though I'd like to think that most of them are still minors, teens or veeery young adults because if any of them are over 25 I have no hope for humanity, again...

trust me most of these people trying to cancel were just basically misandrists waiting for something more reasonable to hate men, they're girl group stans, ofc not all of them hate men but a good part of them does and they really awful things, even troll accounts took advantage of these situations, i think someone even might have got doxxed because they said they shouldn't be called pedos, it's really crazy, but the scandal started from korean fans of txt soobin who found something more reasonable to criticize him rather than for his recent scandal (doing the middle finger with his toes to another idol, on a private live that got leaked, also not recent) and then it got here

It’s nothing but hive mind behavior pure and simple

The whole music is tailored to appeal to teenagers so I very much doubt there are much adults in the kpop fandom especially not on twitter.

@@somename86 There are many actually, and especially on Twitter. Also kpop music is vast genre of different styles.

@@somename86 then you haven't seen much kpop. there's music for all ages it's not just geared for teenagers. so yes there are a lot of adults as half of the idols ARE adults.

@@somename86you would be surprised tbh. Of cause you have your teenage demographic, but KPOP also finds a ringing by people in their twenties and even older. And being at 18+ kpop parties, looking at the people I meet @ concerts or interact with as often the youngest of the group (I’m 25) … kpop has a big adult audience. It’s a hella expensive hobby to have and you would drop dead knowing how much people are willing to spend. So it’s more likely to have fans with a stabile income what is something that most of us gain in their 20’s.

​@@somename86? I am 30 year old kpop fan and I know soo many other +25 year old kpop fans. Not everyone who likes kpop are teenagers.

"The next BTS" spot opening up and Kpop fandoms frothing at the mouth to get their faves to that point.

Istg I thought I was living in another dimension..

LMAO

@@Emgee78No because I’m a multi-Stan and BTS has been my ult-bias group since 2016, and I this is VERY MUCH TRUE. It’s so messed up what’s happening right now in the K-pop world. Like first the Seunghan controversy and now he MIGHT BE KICKED OUT OF HIS GROUP?!? And now people attacking Soonbin, Taeyong, Mingi AND Woozi?!? I’m seriously reconsidering why I’m still into kpop when toxic fans keep ruining everything… and I don’t want to say it… but most of the fans that I see taking down their “idols” have been Korean fans?!? Like you would think that Korean fans would be THE MOST supportive of their idols but they ARE LITERALLY THE MOST TOXIC AND VICIOUS RIGHT NOW?!? Like what is the world coming too. My one source of comfort right now, and the kpop world is turning into even more of a shitshow than it used to be. 🙄

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Not even a K-pop fan and I feel so bad that idols aren't allowed to be human.

Dude i didnt know k pop fans are this toxic

​​@@HenryNwanegbo Bro you have no ideia, they are one of the most toxic fandom that exists, death threats are the base insult they make

only haters are allowed to dislike

Mostly stems from fandom wars. I assure you that all Soobin fans think him liking MIA is fine. There are other groups fandoms that are trying to cancel him and the other boys so that their fave can rise to the top.@@HenryNwanegbo

They can't their brain are somewhere else

oh! I just remembered that I have a recent example of some kpop stans making up issues! there's a recent song by a male artist featuring a female artist that I was watching a lyric video of. there were only three commenters: two praising the song and congratulating the artists on a job well done, and one yelling at the video creator and the other two (both in direct replies and their own comment) to quit shipping the two artists. literally _nobody_ there was shipping them, and I have yet to see _anyone_ ship them. I replied basically telling them to knock it off, wondering if maybe there was one or two since-deleted comments shipping them that had set them off. but, in my youtube notification of their reply, their name was shown as "f*** [group name] and their stupid [fandom name]" and suddenly _it all made sense._ they're just the type of stan to do that sort of thing.

what you say is really interesting for me becuase in China, kpop stans are literally treated as one of the worst group in discussions, they act like they live around corner. maybe because Chinese people had known kpop for the past decades, so we all knew how dumb kpop could be

Yeah, not even just being morally righteous. There's def been a huge change in how kpop stans behave overall. Back when it wasn't as popular like 2nd gen, the fandom kept to themselves. They weren't trying to interact with other non-kpop fandoms or even think of spamming memes or videos of their fav idols. But like now fans will straight up go onto ppl's unrelated tweets or like tragedy posts and be like "should've stanned -KPOP band here-" or even photoshop memes or videos that honestly make the idol look horrible (like I think Loona had something similar. The group did nothing wrong, the fandom just made a meme where they seemed like a member had beef with a western artist idr) and I was like....outsiders are now gonna hate your group now why???? inside the fandom knew it was a meme but outsiders aren't gonna understand because it's obviously not outrageous enough to be like wow that'd never happen if they don't know that it's a kpop idol who has never met a western artist before. I think the change in behavior was really lead by being influenced by unfortunately kind loud but weird older fans while the ones that are more logical and reasonable and not holier than thou with egos or seek out like being a popular fan amongst fans kind of kept to themselves or outgrew being in the kpop fandom and just enjoyed the music. Some kpop fans were always weird but like....the I remember when kpop idols used to visit CA and Disneyland and just got to be normal ppl in foreign countries. But now they can't go anywhere without being stalked and mobbed. We used to be like damn korean saesaeng/stalker fans are crazy and there was no real notable cases of such behaviors internationally in 2nd gen. But now it's like there's sasaengs everywhere.

It's a lot of the younger generation in general that is doing this. You'll see it a lot on twitter and other social media. They'll try and ruin anyone's lives for enjoying any piece of media that has any "problematic" type of content like loli (made in abyss) or incest (game of thrones), regardless of if said content is the main point of the show or game.

I am 28 and have been into K-pop on and off since 2012 and when I see kids doing stuff like this, it is ridiculous and pathetic to me. Most of these guys lack the ability to have a deeper understanding, because their brain hasn't been fully developed yet. When I see the younger generation of K-pop fans are loud and obnoxious, my reaction is mostly: y´all need to sit down! Your brain is fully developed until you are 26. And from what I have observed in the world in general, this is not only a K-pop issue. The younger generation in general is like this. When I see them calling out "problematic" issues, I just can't take it seriously.

if he let his fans knows his favourite anime is One Piece, One piece will become a problematic anime because it involves female characters with unrealistic body proportions.. P.S. i'm being sarcastic btw..

I mean, admitting you are a One Piece fan is worse than admitting you did 9/11, nowadays P.S. i'm not being sarcastic btw..

You gotta spill the tea, who likes one piece? (from a kpop stan and a one piece fan)

Omg wait this is actually you, the 0 in the @ had me thrown💀

Exactly, imagine they talk about KNY, AOT, MHA, they will get cancelled I bet 😅.

YES EXACTLY. I tried to tell my mutual he did not recommend it and they told me he did. It's obvious they didn't see the video - people are not even looking at the "receipts".

taeyong didn't even talk about it at all. it's just one of his shoes pic from 6 months ago, and the manga was there in the background💀

@@muuuut9802 that’s all they got on him? 😭 wow, they really love exaggerating everything to the unth degree

So, he prefers the second season but is wary to recommend it to people because of how gnarly it gets? This man really is a true Made in Abyss fan.

@@muuuut9802 woooow so he didn't even say ANYTHING about it??? these fucking stans I swear omfg there so bored 🤦‍♀️🙄

I agree with you 💯, I am a k pop fan myself. People need to leave these idols alone! Sure some anime/ manga are darker and more twisted than others, but these idols should not be attacked for enjoying something that other people do not enjoy.

Fans vs. Stans. I don’t know why the majority of the kpop fandom refer to them selves as Stans (identity) instead of a fan of something (a like for something /hobby)

@@hollo0o583 in the Kpop fandom the word 'stan' means the same thing as 'fan' unlike in any other case where its meaning describes obsessive fanning. Honestly I'm not interested in getting into it and finding out why is that, I've been in this fandom for 8 years and it's just always been the case. After a quick Google I see some people quoting Eminem's song which supposedly originated this idea but, again, I'm not interested in the term as much since the entire fandom gets what it means

@@hollo0o583 actually in the kpop stans community if you say you're a fan means you're a casual listener, probably enjoy the music or the content from time to time, but the stans are the ppl who know the names of the idols and always watch the content and comebacks, it takes a lot of time and energy (including going to concerts, collecting albums or photocards..etc.) i guess that's why ppl refer themselves as stan because it's slightly a bit more than just a fan. But in that means is not yet being a toxic stan, ppl who are overly and crazyly obsessed with the idols are called sasaengs or just toxic kpop stans ( stans who attack other communities for the slightest things or other fandoms and don't even respect their own favourite idols sometimes). That's how i understood it atleast. But just want to clarify just because we say we are kpop stans doesn't mean we're automatically the type of dumb toxic stan :).

I don't believe than normal people are in Kpop fandom.

As a multi Stan and anime fan with most of these idols as my biases. It was really painful to see the switch up but funny to see them talk about things they don't know about so confidently. They just wanted to attack these idols and used anything to achieve that

@@sharinataylor3000 oh the switch up was crazy. They were holding onto that one ss but when someone posted the video of the whole scene they just went silent.

good for you man, i really wish atinys were like that (nctzens were also really chill for what i've seen) the moment the article from pancchoa came out there were people having panic attacks on my tl, saying they were dissapointed and even continued to say that is what they sould've done............ turns out that mingi didn't even say anything abt MIA and the fancaller (who refused to answer people's questions abt it) muted her voice and talked over him when he was just naming shows he watched recently

Yeah it should be noted it WASN'T moas who attacked him, it was other anti BH kpoppies

right like kpop as an industry is way worse than anime and it's happening to real people

Because many kpop fans are extremely woke. They see anime as sexist

i dont think its wokeness... its twitter brain@@asdfghjjhgf

Same, it's these "controversies" is just so out of context dumb. But hey, it just made me wanna watch the made in abyss more because of how "provocative" they say

I feel like it's always the most extreme and deluded fans who are the loudest. Or maybe I just like to believe the majority realize it's none of their damn business and not a sign of depravity when guys in their 20s watch movies or anime that include more adult themes or scenes. It's confusing to me, would these same people get upset over idols watching action movies, which usually include violence and sex? Is MIA that out there?

It's beyond dumb but crazy people are always the loudest... It's very important to counter such people. People watch things like Spartacus: Blood and Sand or even Wrong Turn, Human Centipede but it's OK because only drawing are so evil that people have to be canceled... I personally dislike all of this stuff but I have many friends who watch gore stuff etc. and I learned to appreciate this stuff to some degree because in many ways it's like a sign of freedom and detector of bad actors and authoritarians (often mentally unstable people and some horrible dogmatic ideologies). So many people who like to hate anime at the same time will defend Cuties and other similar thing that involves real people - it's pure insanity... I'm older guy and I started watching anime few years ago just to escape from authoritarian propagandist cancelling insanity I saw everywhere...

i agree and for Soobin it was a translation error- he said he "would not recommend" and people got PISSED. it was ridiculous

As a fellow weeb and kpop fan i also fuckin hate how kpop fans view sht like these as "Controversies"

It’s fucking wild. And I know, if I speak out I’d only get jumped by my mutuals 💀

@@taestful_cherry7577yh the same for Minig op cut out the ret of the video

Absolutely based

Honestly I'm lowkey sick of people just hating on idols for liking anime like they didn't grow up with it. Mingi is king. Y'all just gotta accept that.

I think the difference is that the art is not painting these things in a negative light. A lot of anime glorify sexual harrassment and sexualization of minors.

They pretend as if they put actual child p*rn on screen. Like it is a drawn naked child if you think that's provocative maybe look inwards.

@@gintokisstrawberrymilkin very sure made in the abyss isn’t glorying abuse

@@dokessezeaka5159 it shows a grown man looking down a little boy's pants and commenting on his privates. It also shows the little girls in a sexual way multiple times

@@gintokisstrawberrymilkis fair not liking this content but remind your self that is a fictional media and there are actual real CSEM content spread around involving actual real minor, which is more concerning than actual lines on a piece of paper. I mean, you can always avoid what you dislike, without harassing

Unfortunately the lack of critical thinking in almost any kpop "controversy" doesn't really surprise me anymore, just way too common.

@@BlueET3RNAL The lack of critical thinking in any "controversy" doesn't surprise me

I only discovered today that soobin watches made in abyss, my day is absolutely amazing rn

@@same8031 REAL mans has TASTE

Honestly ❤

Thank you for giving contex

Exactly, they are just trying to "cancel them" or to ruin their images, like they do every single time they bring out rumors. It really sucks and it's so annoying

you could have stopped at "twt is a shit hole"

That's true, that's why I left kpop twt. There are also a lot of wholesome fans tho. In my case, shawols and carats were just two of the most peaceful and wholesome ones. It took a member of a group I loved leaving the group because of some fake accusations by toxic fans for me to stop using kpop twt. It was so toxic. It was painful to see the same fans of the group abandoning him. The same fans put him down, never believing him. For us who supported him and only wanted the truth, we were the "toxic" ones. They believed some random user in the internet spreading lies about him than him. I stopped stanning the group after that cause it really broke me. The fandom until now pisses me off.

Twt does this to vtubers and random people too

so glad to have survived the massive fandom purge😭

What 6 hours listening to that I like 17 but not that extreme Plus you need fans to pay for stuff so no pledis don't want purge

" Most Carats went to work with no sleep because the live pulled through to the morning" you know.....this is just further proof that k pop stans have no lives.

I actualy thinking someone want to put people on the list down from their popularity 🙃

That's actually a good point about minor idols. I DO see a lot of people complaining about that (generally speaking), but I doubt the ones that were screaming at THIS situation were the same that would also fall in line with what you said. I also was complaining about the purity-level and the need to cancel in another comment on this video and yeah. I completely agree with you. I think it's sad that because the fandom is SO LARGE, the toxic ones are the loud ones, thus they're the ones that get seen. Doesn't help that they are of the incredibly violent level, too. I have also found a lot of those that fall into that line of thinking are the 13-23 year olds... I did NOT know that about the girl group member, though...

yes when sakura was caught saying she enjoys it they suddenly got real quiet lmaooo

Honestly the middle toe thing is a talent ngl like I don’t even know how he did it 😂😂

but honestly, what's wrong with flipping out the middle toe? 😂

Sakura too 😭

@@loveballetmuchshe did it too?!!!

@@mort7686 well, not the middle toe part...🤣🤭 But Pannchoa dragged her in this mess but not really a mess issue 😐😏

Nah, that's the internet as a whole

It starts with twt though or is mainly known for it

I blame the Western side

I think one of the main reasons why people kinda overreacted was because there was one massive tweet that was gaining popularity and it basically said, "Soobin/so and so watches a pedo anime, I'm done." followed with a screenshot of a very questionable moment from the anime out of context. I remember for three days straight a whole mess was on the TL, there were people saying he deserved to be drafted, others were fighting for Soobin, then anime fans got in the mix. I understand people's concern when it comes to things like this, but they definitely jumped the gun.

@@oberdamujigae I blame all the sides tbh, especially younger fans who still lack some critical thinking

A fandom is there to make money once again as bad as they can be They need their money! MONEY its what a fans is there for ... Yes enjoying serial killer too much is problematic

Yeah I mean I obviously understand where it came from and personally made in abyss was very uncomfortable and I don't know if I'll whatch the second season but to suggest that to whatch it automatically makes you a peodophile is borderline insane

I would say if not for Andrew Tate's stans and Donald Trump's die-hard stans, K-pop would be one of the worst fandoms out there.

I can say that pretty much 99% of nice and respectful kpop stans will not be seen by ppl. Not because there aren't any, but because it is just not worth it to spread positivity in that cesspit of a fandom. I have been in multiple arguments with people whose arguments have been 100% proven wrong by ACTUAL sources such as authorities, and they just disregard it entirely and will still continue hating on the person. It's because the fandom that the public sees are 3 types of people. Obsessive parasocials, minors who clearly don't have a developed brain and people who just hate for fun to get the fire started.

he's not even watching the one we're watching. korea banned any controversial or s***ual scenes and any material in their country and every show, movie, book goes through extreme revision in the country. the rating for MIA is 15+ which means kids can watch it, but to take care of the bloody scenes from the fights. soobin hasn't even seen the entire uncut show and he's still not recommending it to people based on how scary the fights are in the show. this entire thing was done by an anti fan who had to go watch the JAPANESE VERSION and screenshot two photos from there to make their article 'exposing' him. even koreans were shocked by the uncut scenes

@@sarahalbright7864 Nah you didn't see the tiktok fanbases yet. They're even worse than Kpop "stans"

exactly its also like the little kids or young teenagers who ruin it for us normal teenagers/adults

Same here txt is my favorite group and I can tell when someone needs to be held accountable. But for this people are reaching SOOOO far for no reason and calling Soobin a pedo and for him to be kicked out of the group. Like what

i agree! im also a moa and this whole scandal feels so dumb!

It's mostly the edgy gg stans that are adding more fuel to the flame😑

@@Lin9597 this!! They're always trying SO hard to have a "gotcha" moment

RIght?? TXT is my favorite group and Made in Abyss is prob my second favorite anime, so like when I first heard he liked it I was like hell yeah! but wow the reactions and just reeeeaching to find something to cancel ppl here is insane

I see it a lot in people in their 20s as well. It's like an infection from social media. It's crazy how much the younger generations are pushing fascism and not realizing it.

I hate this world.

Oh, the 2024 fandom world is so wildly over sensitive, it's def a new gen issue. Doxxing/harassing over ships, characters, shows.. It is *mental*

And the said people don't understand that imagination's correlation to reality can be so far differentiated that the topics cease even being the same topic altogether. But understanding psychology has always been worryingly low in the first place.

It's truly sad how this is allowed to take place. Basic media literacy shouldn't even be that hard, most people should naturally be able to intuit and work out basic media literacy even if they aren't taught in school, unless I'm just giving the average person way too much credit and intelligence here.

Exactly, and I think it shows a lack of emotional maturity. Consuming darker, fictional media does not make you complicit in what the stories entail. Reminds me of the people who freaked out when Mortal Kombat first came out and tried to say video games cause violence.

​@@ruidechenyeah probably too much credit

Exactly

I agree with your comment but just wanted to comment how I really liked your last point. They’re not babies!! Unfortunately Kpop fans have this warped image of how people work lmao. They have forgotten that these idols are still human who also go through similar things as other human beings. They are allowed to be human beings ffs 😂!

Yea but this is controversial for pedophilia and rape

I like to say they 'infantalize' the idols, ESPECIALLY the grown men. It's really gross, actually, and I'm a kpop fan. It's like they see any sign of them having interest in the opposite gender and their hive-mind loses their shit, but if 'Oppa doesn't love me!!!' they'll LITERALLY self-harm. That's a whole different story.

It's pedophilic abomination

You know what's funny, these same fans will write and consume explicit fanfic using Idols who are real people and then get pressed over the exploitation of drawn fictional characters in anime. The stuff online written by fans about idols is honestly disgusting and creepy. They even write stuff about underage idols and play around with LGBTQ identities like it's a joke to them. Like these are characters and not real people. I actually gave up on K-pop because the fandoms are toxic and problematic. They act like they own these idols. On top of the disgusting work conditions and exploitative contract and toxic beauty standards in that industry, I can't support K-pop in good conscience.

the crazy ones are all on twitter. The chill ones are on reddit or not online all the time.

@@Suzashidawn I think there are lots of chill ones on other social media platforms, of course. But yeah, Twitter's always a cesspool of bitterness and anger, I've always steered clear of it.

@@sadiestudies4146 which social media platforms have good kpop communities? I'd presume Tiktok is decent.

@@Suzashidawn well, I'm at least on the positive side of tiktok😂 but, it can get toxic as well. It just depends on what side of everything you're on.

I agree and have seen it for the past 10 years and I feel bad for the people cause they are human beings just doing their and “fans” are just strangers to them that enjoy their works or art but are so delusional and not normal at all. I hope they are ok cause I was so confused on this “scandal”. I don’t know why people have thick skull on know idol are human being and not something you can control into your beliefs or likings.

My thoughts exactly

Dp you guys also have those "idols don't poop" kind of people?

​@@isoprops3861not really that would be like a SMALL minority. Let me tell you how many idols have been hated for dumb scandals. One of them being dating. Yes you can blame it on the way the industry sells those idols but it just is hella annoying even in some understandable accusations they just jump on a hate train without hearing out the other side, without actually looking into stuff. One of these examples are all the bullying and SA accusations. There are alot of examples here are just some idols I follow : Woojin, Taeyong(the one in this video), Garam, Soojin, Ravn, Lucas, etc... Soojin would be the one who is doing the best right now as this thing came up with TY. Sometimes we are really just tired of them.

"i just need to blind him a lil to discipline him, don't worry, guys, the blindness won't be permanent.."

As a kpop stan, this is my first time actually admiring ani fans for being smart but yes kpop community is fucked up i hate that our idols have to go thru these for nothing. Hope they get sued for false accusations

The word "fun" used in the article is a translation from the word "재미있다" which litterally means "fun", but in that context and in the Korean language, it means "enjoyable".

💀💀i was laughing when i saw the pannchoa post, i am still laughing. Kpop stans are so unserious.

kpop stans has brain damage

The fact that the cast is children is off-putting at times, but MiA wouldn't work if they were not children. There is a reason many horror movies have kids in them. It is a well established fact that using children in horror increases the unease and fear in adult viewers.

Me too. As an anime watcher, I have my own dislikes when it comes to certain anime tropes and the way some shows portray minors provocatively just for the sake of fanservices and not actually in context with the storyline or attributing to the plot. I have issues with how p word tendencies of some fans are ignored or justified in the anime community. But this whole thing is just ridiculous. I bet this came up because Made in Abyss is sort of being talked about online now and kpop stans have to kpop stans and find controversy in every recent events in relations with the idols. Even if they have to backdate and dig out things from past livestreams and interviews. I love some kpop idols myself, but most of the time I wonder if Kpop stans really love their faves. Or are they so sadistic, they try to make life hell for their faves in every way they can?

That's my mine gripe with MIA, I hate loli/sho stuff, same with many incest in anime. I watch a lot of dark shows so it's not like I have a problem with mature content, as long its not glorifying or fetishizing stuff. I bet MIA is a great anime, but if it uses kids for fanservice I think I'll pass.

I cry and punch my pillow just thinking abt the girl who became a white whistle for mc oh my god why yyyyyyyyyyyyy

also one of antis' favorite arguments in this is that "the author is a pedophile, so by watching the show, you condone pedophilia" excuse me, I've had MIA on my "to watch" list for a long time and I had NEVER heard anything about the author of the manga before last Monday (when this blew up), how can they know if Soobin was even aware of any controversies surrounding the guy? But hey - any chance to defame a successful rival idol is good I guess! 🙄😠 Vile

WHAT??? To Soobin!?

​@@liathelie8805 What's more interesting: the mangaka of MIA (Akihito Tsukushi) isn't even charged with pedophilia. It's another mangaka (his name is Kenya Suzuki who was charged in 2021). Some dumbo twisted it to malign the mangaka (and probably got the names mixed because they can't read Japanese) and to blow the whole thing out of proportion. Tells you that most people suck at reading comprehension these days.

@@tkraid2575 why am I not surprised xd

​@@liathelie8805I searched it up and he's not even charged for that so I'm genuinely confused.

Exactly what I was thinking! I understood it as the anime was interesting/amusing rather than haha funny

K-pop stans and their search for the next cancel never ends.

Idiots idiots who promote canle culture will wine and b*tch when it happens to them. Remember when twitter was " a private and they can do whatever they want"?, that was until Elon bought it.

@@sambegstha3516 The article is made by Koreaboo which a website thats notorious for spreading rumors and trying to cancel idols. I'm sure 99% of the fans of these idols don't give a shit about this "controversy". Also real Kpop fans hate this website.

cancel culture is wild because idols get cancelled for breathing atp

No, cancel culture should be directed at people who actually deserve it.

Exactly. This whole thing is so dumb ??

​@@nobitanobi3475 k-pop stans will be angry for the dumbest reasons, I'm a kpop stan myself

Poor guy. He did nothing wrong. He just shared the things that make him happy and was hoping the other will make them to.

@@lanceducusin4696 I am one too lol they do be mad at the most randomest stuff

exactly!!! these kpop fans (outside of korea) will say "he doesnt youuu", "why are you defending someone who doesnt know you" well yes and why do you (kpop fans) keep attacking someone who you dont know either?, when they know damn well that they would defend the group they stan lmao, hypocrite the Korean fans who literally could meet soobin in a broad daylight in a pedestarian know his personality, korean fans met txt members the most, thats why they never make this a big deal. all txt members are the same, in front of or behind the camera. for example soobin is unfiltered, he will talk about anything comes to his mind and is really honest, another example yeonjun, he literally calling out stan culture's stupidness time to time and literally talking about the hardship that idol tend to endure especially against haters, this is what txt are, theyre just bunch of chill guys who enjoy their job as well as being a normal human being, just like non-celebs. txt as whole is a really unproblematic group, so these kpop fans will always tried to grasp at anything to make them look bad, and yet they always failed.

PLSSS!! hes such a sweetheart and people are just throwing him under the bus from both knetz and intl fans as if hes committing a crime???

Some people are just plain stupid and acting like they are too pure and innocent

It's just for fan service, they are idols. Basing an entire personality for that is stupid.

@@JonJon-wc6pj even if it is just for fan service he still put a lot of effort to do this and all the people he meet thinks he is a very nice person. All the things he did reflects how good of a person he is.

I think after that "our enchae" controversy people were trying to damage soobin's image. So they came up with this stupid idea. 😂

Ya it’s all because of a user named pannchoa who was active on weverse but is now more active on twitter. And now she’s stirring shit up implying the huening siblings are posing inappropriately for photos with each other 🙄

⁠@@j-hopegonnakillyouwithhiss6567definitely! and it didn’t work at all 😭

@@magenta_brown5327i don’t know how people keep believing pannchoa especially with all the harm she’s done to multiple idols

@@magenta_brown5327 pannchoa always have the most off-putting post, accusing a photoshoot of 2 siblings as their deviated incestuous fantasies is such a fucking crazy move

They are probably 12 so they shouldn't even be on Twitter/X to start

​@@hectorgregorio95 true, some are of that age. but most of them throwing around the pëdo accusations were Adults, which makes it so much more baffling. insane lack of media literacy, critical thinking And common sense.

@@nana-iq9tz imagine watering down the term pedophile on the internet just cuz you read a dark fantasy manga. It's a laughable situation that could potentially affect this idols careers

i mean not really, im active on kpop twitter and these are majority 18-25 people saying this stuff which is worse@@hectorgregorio95

Unless they live in Florida and want to read a wholesome child’s book, about a little kid with two daddies, or about that there are different kinds of people in the world and it’s okay to be yourself. Then the conservatives will do a witch hunt to cancel you.

I got no stakes in this whole debacle as I've never been into kpop but all these horrible fake fans have probably done with this is that their faves will not open up about their likes and dislikes anymore. They'll get less fan interactions out of this or at least even more fake interactions.

​​@@DieAlteistwiederdaits not the fans who hated on Soobin, the fans don't really care, Soobin actually shares a lot. But other kpop fans(who arent fan of Soobin) started to hate on them for no reason

​@@ONCE_A_MOA_ALWAYS_A_MOAMy thoughts exactly.Not even realizing they're opening a space to make it easier for the same to happen to their idols.

not to be that person but i would say made in abyss is a lot more disturbing let's be honest. if kids are a part of something horrible it's always worse. Edit: Also I don’t think that people have a problem with traumatizing, messed up twisted stories in general. But rather the execution or inclusion of some forms of violence and shock factors, especially if kids are involved. Also I think if I saw some random scene of squid game without context, just someone being dead, that wouldn’t disturb as much. Maybe seeing the minutes up to the death yeah. But I think anime can create images and visual horror in only pictures that live action hardly can achieve. I think seeing some and more scenes or pictures of made in abyss out of context and without knowing what it is would shock me to my core. Those shows are just disturbing for different reasons. And I think both are very hard to stomach but one is just worse bc of animation, bc of kids and bc of scenes with kids that even in this story shouldn’t be there (and that is the real problem of those ppl).

@@cinnamonroll96 what makes Made in Abyss more disturbing besides the characters being kids? Also, personally, I could stomach stuff like Castlevania or Vinland Saga even though I couldn’t get through The Glory because even though the things like Castlevania are equally or more disturbing, my threshold for disturbing content in animated things is higher than live action.

@@kpopnimation I think that’s exactly it. The fact that these characters are kids make it more disturbing. I don’t know the glory. But squid games is about something disturbing, messed up and mentally just twisted. I still would say the things you see are just more disturbing for a lot of ppl. A lot more to stomach, bc of all the mind-destroying shit you watch, the gore and all this. And this in combination with kids going through it, makes the already very messed up shit even worse. I think you can’t just say what about it besides the characters being kids. It’s exactly that. They are kids. And some scenes just even if you make a show that wants to just destroy someone that watches it, and intends to disgust and all this, some things just don’t need to be there, especially with kids. Edit (to clarify): The show and story with the kids would have been just as creepy and messed up without some of these scenes.

Yes! For me Squid Game is disturbing and i don't understand the hype, the story can be easily find in japan's movie/anime/manga? I don't think this show has any groundbreaking story.

@@cinnamonroll96just wanted to point out that in The Glory the main character also has to endure horrible/traumatizing things as a child so I think it’s a fair comparison.

Welcome to the internet

what is this, I see that u have a Peak fiction pfp🤔🤔

sad day for everyone, means you gotta do background checks on all your actors/actresses, voice actors/actresses, producers, directors, etc, before you can watch or listen to anything else you become "part of the problem" (according to their logic) no wonder they are always on twitter/X or posting discord msgs complaining, they are bored out of their minds!

@@Aleclovito fellow peak enjoyer 🤝

they pretend to care abt cp but the show isn't even revolved around cp 😭 it's literally kids uncovering mystery and fighting monsters. korea doesn't even have all the scenes they cut full entire parts it's just the monsters, fight scenes, and some adventure in there. not even the traumatic parts!!!!! which add to the complexity of the show.

More english speakers talking for other people when no one asked.

Your are correct bro

Half of the scandals in kpop is stopid.

As a normal person, I find the fact that you call yourself stan even while seeing how other people who call themselves stans act disturbing. If you have to say "I'm a stan, but no not like them", why not just say you like kpop.

Nah you're a fan

Same

Jay Park and Super Junior have never done anything "sus" or "problematic", they're just constant targets of equally chronically online freaks.

WAIT THEY STARTED STUFF ABOUT VIOLET EVERGARDEN ??? LMAOOO i only know that anime for being beautiful and sappy lol

Nice comeback shout-out 😂😂

yes! also stream TXT's Chasing That Feeling, Seventeen's God of Music, NCT 127's Fact-Check, and ATEEZ's Bouncy too! xD :D

@@hibiscius yeah, Mingi mentioned he watched it, and basicly the day after people tried to start hate, because apparenty Violet Evergarden is somehow the most problematic show ever depicting a relationship with an age gap? 😂

I agree thats why i stay unbothered even tho one of the member in my fav group is involved. I know ppl would say " why wouldnt you defend them?" No, for my own mental health, why would i bother for things that will just fade away in a couple of days. As a kpop fan for 15 years i already knew this wont last long

yeah, not even a day passed and there were some deranged individuals on twitter who were quote tweeting disturbing stuff on a news report of kyuhyun from super junior getting knife injuries from a woman who tried to kill his costar by breaking in their waiting room because he put himself in harm’s way to save his fellow actor. people were saying why couldn’t the woman have gone for the head, or why he didn’t d*e …. it was absolutely gross how they were just openly saying it would be a delight if he was k*lled 😔

But this one is just sad Bcuz soobin who got the most hate bcuz it was a trap directed to defame him He’s one of the most loved idols even outside his fandom But now soobin Stan’s or txt ot5 are treated like criminals Some pp, genuinely think he’s a p3do😢

the movie was questionable 💀... but i think its intended as this stuff does happen in real life

Sadly this happens a lot now in the Kpop community with smear campaigns of a different groups fans trying to cancel groups they don’t like, even if they have to dig for the smallest , most unrelated things to try to cancel those Kpop idols. They normally only last for a day or two but it can get really bad, especially if yt has to talk about it.

put it into words perfectly ty❤

ive been into kpop for years, i stopped caring since last year but yeah, they have always been like that, sometimes they don’t even care that much about the actual issue, it’s like a gotcha moment “your fave is problematic!” and use that evidence to attack other idols and fans, and when their fave idols who eventually got accused to be problematic, most of them will try to defend them with a lot of excuses, heck even there’s some fans who still defend their idol after being accused of SA, just a really terrible community (not all, some of them are cool, but yeah…. sadly the ones who act like that are the loudest)

As a txt fan I m very upset nd angry

TXT para una mejor vida,STREAM a lo$er lo❤er.

What's crazy is a lot of ppl grew up with their favorite series and continue liking their childhood favorites but uhhh anime characters don't age. So imagine as a middle schooler you had a crush on like a high school aged dude, that's fine because it's a crush. But then it's been several years and now you're an adult...."you're not allowed to like them anymore!" That literally doesn't make sense. Minors who are calling out adults for this just are too young to understand that'll happen to them too. And that's how they get shocked when they turn 20 and someone uses the same argument against them. Like....dude they're anime characters who can't get hurt. Majority of ppl who like anime characters aren't gonna chase a minor. It's just majority of mainstream mangas and animes main characters are still in school. (Ppl who obviously....like minors are different but you can tell if they're a weirdo or not) Example: I literally thought Denki from CSM was gonna be revealed to be like 19+ like he went through a whole childhood with no education because that is tragic af and make him desiring to touch a boob, get a girlfriend, etc even sadder. But then they were like he's 16 and I was like.....oh. Still sad but 2% less tragic in my head.

FRRR

You mean otaku bc a weeb is a koreaboo vers for people who love anime and Japanese culture

@@tokkigifs oh yea It completely slipped my mind

@@rhynochi bruh I get this so bad I started watching anime when I was 5, like these characters were older than me, now I'm older than most of them.

Correction: You're a Kpop *enjoyer* 🗿

I'm anime lovers. I mean I like anime a lot and I do like kpop. I'm happy when kpop idols gave their favourite anime and recommendation. I'm very happy when my bias have the same interest in anime that I like. I feel like wanting to meet them and talk about that particular anime they like 😂

FR I WAS DEFENDING SOOBIN FOR MY LIFE

nah dont call my life a cartoon 😭

@@I.disagree you can be a stan and not be a toxic person wanting to ruin people's lives and careers. Don't dictate how this person refers to their self.

Higurashi is so good compared to made in abyss. You have great taste

@@Revealingstorm. thank you! I've never got around to watching made in abyss yet however higurashi I've been a fan of for a long long time ever since seeing one of those old amvs when they were popular back in the day

Agree, sometimes they use idol "scandal" to cover up other more important news/informations ....

totally 1 of the stupidest thing they try to cancel the idol 🤣, like woooowwwww anime serious, r u calling anime community to fight u guys?

THIS. People or other fandoms that just want to spread shit to cancel a group/idol

Yeahhh like the clip was from 1/2 years ago 💀

Oh say it louder

*all non retarded people in general*(excuse the insensitive slur usage) who came to Soobin's defense.

​@@CICM_920honestly its excused cause thsts exactly how they're acting lol💀

@@CICM_920I shouldn’t have laughed so hard 💀

@@CICM_920 you are SO right

For all we know he got that as a present from someone who remembered he was into anime and was like "Looks cute maybe he'll like this."

It just shows how stupid they are

Or someone who is just chronically online. Unfortunately, I've seen these brain dead kinds of views and takes a lot more recently (probably more often because I'm in furry spaces, and right now there's this war going on within furries about a very similar argument that's been going on for years). It's funny cause the same people will yell against these conservative or sheltered people, but then turn and say the exact same stuff under a "woke" or "rebellious" agenda without realizing how hypocritical they're being. It's disappointing seeing this kinda mindset seep its way into other communities, but it gives me hope seeing people like Joey speak out about this incredibly stupid idea that everything should be sanitized.

I thought there were being sarcastic like hey if you think watching MIA means you support p*do just because it features little kids in dark/gore situations then that means you support murder because you enjoy watching true crime shows/podcast. It just shows how ridiculous the claim is.

​@@hinasevatsame that's what I thought as well.

It doesn’t matter if he recommended it or not lol. You people need to get a life

@@mookiestewart3776 it really doesn't lol. the whole thing is when the kpop industry has and continue to have problems with exploitation of children yet this is the thing that they made a big deal of.

@@mookiestewart3776 Oh shut up.

It actually didn’t remove most of these scenes, it’s something fans made up to save their asses. Not that they need saving, but it was the intend behind it.

​@@HopeeInkit depends cause where'd you get that info? (Genuine question). For example, in China some games aren't available for them due to censorship (unrelevant to anime but what I know), so they make games available for all audiences. Such as idv (what I play) is like the "safe" game version of dead by daylight (which is goresome). So yes, in some countries, censorship does exist unless you play or watch it in a specific website to expose you to the whole thing.

I respect you as a person now, most people don’t even say things like this so it’s kinda reassuring to see this comment in particular

The difference is that South Korea regulates the porn

Exactly. Honestly people pretending that this was anything else but your run of the mill manufactured controversy that happens on a regular basis is insane and also just addicted to outrage porn. This whole thing was started by trolls and no kpop fan anywhere from what I've seen has thought of this as anything less than stupid. Just an excuse for people to scream cancel culture and kpop stans are crazy etc. etc. when we're just chilling and tryna enjoy our interests. If no one gave the trolls any attention then this wouldn't be anywhere near the "controversy" that people are pretending that it is.

💯it makes my blood boil how they don’t understand why you don’t get to throw such accusations around Not only for the poor K-pop idols that can get kicked out of their group cuz this sh*t can blow up & get out of hand for no reason reach the public even & suddenly soobin is p3do these Stan’s never learn this can’t be controlled But also it waters down these actual crimes