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"You Didn't Know" is such a powerful number, really calling out Seraphin and the Exorcist's way of thinking. I especially love when Charlie and Emily sang the refrain of "Hell Is Forever." With new lyrics that fit their point. That part went so hard.
@@krazytreRTM Don’t get me wrong I appreciate his passion for the stuff he likes but bro we don’t need to say the same words 100 times all one different videos bro we get the picture
Fun fact! The girl who looks like Angel in heaven is named Molly, she's actually Angel's sister! Vivziepop said that Molly 'wasn't exactly in hell' so it's cool to see her in heaven instead!
@@Byaren803Yeah, their whole family are spider demons (or spider angel, in Molly’s case). 😊 They were a mob/mafia family in life, so it’s likely that the spider theme is in reference to their “web of crime”, as it were. I’m guessing that Molly was protected from the uglier side of things, so she didn’t have to do any actual mob business, which is why she’s in Heaven, while her brothers and father are in Hell.
I heard that Angel died from an overdose. It oculd've been the wake up call Molly needed to turn her life around and reach Heaven. If thats true its tragic, but he helped his sister out in his final act.
Fun Fact! Adam's requirement of "Stick It To The Man" is a reference to the song of the same name in the musical School of Rock. Alex Brightman was in the original Broadway cast.
ah now that makes sense Otherwise "Stick it to the man" seemed liked the worst requirement cause heaven is a place of Order and rules and they dont like rebels like Lucifer. so i was always wondering why that was on the list.
4:17 She looks like Angel Dust, because that’s actually his twin sister, Molly! I was super excited to see her cameo in the background, since it confirmed that she actually was in Heaven, rather than in Hell with the rest of her family. (It made me sad that Angel has been separated from his sister this whole time, though. 😢) I hope we actually get to meet her at some point (probably in season 2), along with the rest of Angel’s family in Hell (his older brother, Arakniss, and their father, Henroin). Angel’s mother is probably in Heaven, too, but there’s no concept art out for her, so I don’t know what to look for, to try and spot her, other than more spider attributes. 😅
See that's the thing here. Apart from Angel, Vaggie is the BIGGEST example that people can change. Yes she exterminated hell, but now?? She's been NOTHING but supportive, and I think Charlie will he hurt, but she'll understand eventually. What could also happen is that she might think Vaggie is a double agent...and that might cause trouble.
4:03, 4:16 - I was shocked and happy to see Molly make her debut. It's so sweet and I hope her and Anthony (AKA Angel Dust) meet up someday. It'll be so sweet for siblings to meet. And then Angel will tell about his mobster family .
My theory on what'll happen, Emily is going to voluntarily fall to hell, to try and help Charlie down there. Sort of a 'You wanna slaughter Demons? I'll stand with them!"
The video is not out yet and I can alreadyvimagined your explosive shock at everything that "You didn't know" puts on light. Indeed, the reprise of Hell is Forever is the most incredible and passionate part of the song and a testament and how good this has been.
I think the first song "Welcome to Heaven" is almost intended to be kinda forgettable. The fact it's the shortest song as well as intended to be the introduction to Heaven, something that's supposed to be this great place, but we learn isn't exactly what it's cracked out to be considering they don't actually know what qualifies a soul to go there. A sorta megachurch gospel-pop song flash in the pan and it's done makes perfect sense for an introduction.
Sera is manipulating Emily by telling her she could end up fallen, but I think Sera’s the one who’s going to end up fallen (hopefully along with Adam) by the end.
@@ArynBacklogDragon Same. There's still hope for Sera, but I'm really interested to see why she feels this extermination is necessary. Did she lose loved ones because of hell? Did Adam trick her into believing the people she loves are in danger? Does it mirror how Carmine killed an exorcist to protect her daughters? I'm also curious about Lute, her design seems detailed enough to not only play the role of a villain.
@@JH24821i mean i think since Adam bring the idea of Extermination he can lie to her by telling Sinners could rise against Angels and so as the leader she should protect her people even by horrible means
I really feel like the entire atmosphere and power of heaven is based on lies: Not only they have no ideas how exactly souls arrive at heaven's doors in the first place, they also made hell's citizens believe that they are a massive and unkillable army. That's why lute wanted to immediately go purge all of hell after an angel was killed by carmilla. It was to prevent anyone finding out that heaven's exorcists are not as numerous and invincible as everyone thinks they are.
Agreed. Although Heaven is infinitely better than hell to live in; they're really blind to their own flaws and are reluctant to deal with it. If Heaven was functioning as it should Adam should have fallen from grace a long time ago.
@@JH24821 my take is that sera is misguided into thinking that she has to keep the curtains on what heaven is actually doing behind closed doors as it would be the only way to keep heaven's happy image. But, imo, Adam lied to sera about hell's upraising and gain the position to kill sinners because he could be spiteful against lilith for leaving him or also... he could be a sinner himself and negociate with sera to deal with sinner against a place in heaven.
“We’ll tell her that you’ve killed THOUSANDS of her people” I’m damn well sure Charlie knows how many ppl AL has killed and she keeps him around I feel like this immediately falls flat as the one character that has HOPLESS amounts of faith in redemption. If they make Charlie have some giant motherfuckin crisis I’m rioting because she hasn’t cared till now.
I think for Charlie it's not that Vaggie killed her ppl, but that she never told Charlie she was an angel. Unlike Alastor who is just a business partner Vaggie is her girlfriend who she's known for probably a year or more (considering her long hair). The fact that she was lied to and not trusted was what shocked Charlie.
That angel that loonks like Anthony is his twin sister. She was canonically sent to heaven before the show was a thing. Before the pilot even I'm pretty sure.
Concerning the question of alleged uprisings; I have two theories. One the threat of uprising was originally caused by Lilith. Lucifer has resigned to his fate. While Lilith wants revenge against Heaven. This difference in philosophy is what lead to their breakup. Yes, I know she has only been absent at all this point for "seven years" (interesting Vizzie would choose *that* length of time). But I think she could be preparing an all out assault. That the previous "uprisings" were just "training raids". The second (and possibly more likely) theory: Adam has been feeding Sera a line about "uprisings" for an excuse to set up the purges. The reason? Lilith. The Big D|¢k is using the purges as a smokescreen so he can hunt down his ex-wife. The one who *dumped* him.
I would love to have seen a bit of dialogue between Vaggie and Lute during the hotel room confrontation after Lute said "Their love is vile and blasphemous." Vaggie: At least SHE did not betray me. Lute: I betrayed YOU? Vaggie: You were my FRIEND. You never gave me a chance to explain. This would help solidify the personal conflict between them, and set up possible reconciliation. They're two sides of the same coin. One has "seen the light," and the other is still in the dark. If Vaggie was one of the top executioner angels, then you know she and Lute agreed (at one time) that the souls in hell are ALL beyond redemption. They likely were colleagues/friends. This informs the brutal reaction Lute had to Vaggie for sparing the demon. Absolute horror/disgust that someone you like/admire, someone you trust, has just "betrayed" you. Vaggie is the reformed badass, Lute is the unrepentant badass. Nice twist that the former is stuck in hell, while the latter is free in heaven. Vaggie is clear-eyed and free of delusion, and Lute is a prisoner of prejudice and her own myopic views. Can't wait to see what happens with these characters!
I didn’t even notice until he pointed Molly out. She’s Angel’s sister. I know it was said she isn’t in Hell, but I didn’t know if that meant if she wasn’t included at all, maybe still alive, or actually in Heaven. I can’t believe I didn’t notice her.
Emily is truly adorable and i hope she has a bigger role in season two.. like actually broke up with her Mom which is Sera i am sure..also..what if she is Lucifer's Mom or sister? The shitty parents theme has to go on in this. I already can see Emily fan-girling around hell and that's how they can learn from each other.. on their way to create "Pugatory".. with Charlie and Vaggie as their Queens and Emily in charge of the redamtion program. And the compromise is.. "No more extermination".
Don't worry about the Vaggie reveal. It shows more about Adam and Lute than it does Charlie, Vaggie, or their relationship. Adam doesn't know Charlie and can't conceive that Charlie would forgive Vaggie. Meanwhile, Charlie is going to forgive Vaggie basically immediately. It's just who she is. Also, we get the criteria for how someone falls: *Questioning.* Lucifer questioned Heaven and fell. Vaggie questioned the extermination in the form of not killing a childlike demon and fell. Sera says that if Emily *starts to question* she'll end up fallen. Heaven doesn't like questions and falling isn't a natural state that happens on its own. It's something Heaven *does*.
Becouse if you start to question heaven...it takes away the meaning "heaven or paradise" where everything is working, eveything is amazing. Questions mean that heaven is not perfect.
I feel bad for Vaggie. Adam makes her/ names her for just that purpose, no free will, and she gets punished for refusing to kill a young child! I also feel awful for Charlie learning that way about Vaggie. I don't think the fall out will last long at all. We'll see how others like Angel and Husk react when they find out about Vaggie. No way they don't come around, though( reguardless)!
@@DelightfullyMADD And it'll probably have a bop of a song with heartfelt resolution. Honestly the pacing feels like a throwback to old cartoons that generally wrapped up their problem of the week in one episode and I really don't mind it. It'd be awesome if we got the old school 20 episode season but that just doesn't happen anymore so its whatever. This show is fun.
Well Charlie might be angry for a moment but well she too has angel blood in her since her dad is a fallen angel so she will get over with it after she learns why she was kicked out from heaven (did not want to kill a child). But Charlie will be pissed that it was Adam and Lute that hurt Vaggie so she will have her payback.
@@DelightfullyMADD 2 minutes would be the correct amount of time too, given that Charlie is in the business of redeeming sinners and is working with people who killed way more people than Vaggie and with far less remorse...There's no way Charlie's gonna be mad at Vaggie for who she was.
Gonna get interesting for the next two episodes. I don't think Adam will be cast to Hell, but he may be stripped of his rank. I do wonder where Eve is. I need to write rewatch that episode on my own. The live chat pointed out a few things I missed the first time around.
Apparently back in 2019 viv released a picture of a potential Hazbin character named Roo, As in the Root of All Evil. I’m thinking this is Eve after she ate the apple… and another reason Adam is so against Hell and Lucifer is that Lucifer and Lilith (Adams first wife) got together, and corrupted Eve (his second wife). There has been no confirmation in this show yet that Adam ate the apple, so he may be in heaven because he didn’t, or because he is lying about not eating it (which considering his bloodlust for killing human souls in hell, and how blood thirsty and crude Lute is my guess)
The reason why that female spider lady in Heaven looks like Angel Dust, is because she is Molly, Angel Dusts Twin sister, but when she died she went to Heaven, not hell.
4:16 The character that looks like angel, that's his sister, Molly (yes, their names are Angel Dust and Molly). They also have an older brother called Arackniss but dunno if we'll see him. My guess is he's in hell (as he and Angel were involved in their crime family's business). But Molly is in heaven (and I think their mom is there too if I remember correctly).
I don’t think we’ll see some angels fall but we could see a political war in heaven over it since most angels are supposedly moral Which could mean we could get heaven centered episodes
I love Emily's character! And I love that she's sorta Charlie's cousin and family! (at least I think so, though religious text can be contradictory so who knows what they'll use to support their plot😅)
I think the "proof" Sera was talking about..is actually Lilith.. as the numbers of hell grow..so do her power..and hmm what if there is a beef between Sera and Lilith to begin with?...
It wouldn't surprise me if Lilith comes back in season 2 and plans to bring the fight to heaven. If a battle does break out with Adam and the exorcists it could leave heaven vulnerable.
@@JH24821 Indeed... as i imagine before Alastor should say at the hotel and at the Overlord meeting: ""If we don't stick together, they will hunt us down, one by one, until there is no one left" - same goes for Heaven... and it starts with "Sorry"... just like Charlie said. Forgivness is a power that comes from within..specially if someone doesn't earned it. That's the power of mercy.
The issue with Lute is she is righteous. I don't know how many righteous people who have met or dealt with but they don't typically see their own wrongs and they are not forgiving or flexible people. They are the kind of person who will say "well that person had it coming" when they hear something terrible has happened to someone. Someone can screw up, but once that is done someone like Lute will see them as unworthy. That is why she cut off Vaggie's wings after she let 1 sinner go. Once the person as done the single slight it is over there is no redeeming in her eyes and they deserve what ever comes to them after that. If she was to fall, because of her overly righteous nature it would rock her world to its core.
If that is true, I think Alastor made a deal with Sera to quash it. I think Alastor killed Lilith and Sera is responsible and the one who owns Alastor's soul. It makes sense considering that she for whatever reason couldn't do it herself, so she found the most powerful mortal Sinner in Hell and got him to do it. Why he's pissed at Lucifer, we don't know. Maybe Lilith spilled the beans on something before Alastor killed her? Branching off of this, if Sera is making deals with Overlords, could this explain why Carmine is able to make _blessed_ weapons?
Noooo you've talked over so many of Adam's zingers! I love the guy, it's been so long since I've seen such an effortlessly entertaining villain. Incredible range on Alex Brightman.
@@MikeyVenture Yeah I know you then watch it in post but it would've been nice to see the reaction on camera. Have you tried the format of pausing before commentary or do people hate when you pause?
@@anitaremenarova6662So I’ve done pausing here and there, but I personally like my videos more when I don’t. And yeah the few times I’ve done the pausing, I’ve had some people upset about it. But I also get people upset with the way I do it now. So I just do it the way I prefer as a viewer myself. If that makes sense
The entire point, from Charlie's POV, is that any sinner (even scumbags like Valentino) could be redeemed if they actually wanted to change-- that no one deserves to burn forever if they wake up and make the choice to be better. It's okay to have compassion for a lot of the characters in Hell! We're supposed to, especially at this point, knowing that some of the people in Hell might not even deserve to be there to begin with (Heaven not knowing the criteria for the division). Thank you for your videos, and your thoughtful commentary.
I loved Vaggie trying to get out of going to Heaven: “I have that um, that thing. That thing that, you know that thing that I have? God I’m such a bad liar.” Also Adam threatening to tell Charlie about her: “I guess I’ll just tell little miss butterflies and rainbows that she’s been fucking someone whose killed *thousands* of her people. I’m sure your relationship will be *fine* seen ya in court! I feel really bad for both her and Charlie though that’s gotta suck for both of them.
*inhale* SO I was thinking about how in the trailer when he says "it's about time I show everyone why I'm really here" I was disappointed because that felt like a line he'd say when his big plan was revealed, but it was just in response to him eating some side characters which was underwhelming to me until I kind of realized; it felt like, while he did immediately hate lucifer, he was provoking him on purpose for a different reason. Seeing the dad thing was out of pocket for him and then his talk with mimzy felt more like he did care about the hotel, but how true is that? He goes inside and sees the scene between Charlie and lucifer reconciling and he seems almost proud, content. We also learn he's chained to someone and we don't know who exactly but the concensus of the fandom thinks Lilith. Lilith has been an enigma. We know she was a dreamer and lucifer lost his spark over time, so much that he's just given up on sinners altogether. Hates them. He's complacent, something Lilith rejects and so does Charlie. I presume Alastors hatred for Lucifer sparks from that. Adam was the one to initiated the extermination. Sera said she wouldn't have agreed if it made it so heaven was in danger so it's Adam who had the agenda. Given his character it's likely bitterness. He hates Lilith for ditching him like he hates the girl for wanting the drummer and not him. He hates that Lilith convinced Eve and he wants sinners to suffer to entertain him, likely to get back at Lilith because she was making it so Hell was thriving. I think Lilith made a deal with Alastor to protect Charlie's dream in exchange for likely his own safety/stability in hell. Who knows yet. It's why he does not BELIEVE in the hotel but does EVERYTHING to ensure it stays running and Charlie doesn't lose her spark. He fought with Lucifer to provoke him into helping Charlie. It worked. She got the interview. I want to see how he responds to the new information.
I think the fact that Angel dust wassnt rising to heaven after doing good is why she said "we find no evidence that souls can be redeemed" . since they dont know what gets them into heaven (only knowing WHEN souls arrive) they have no active controll over who gets into heaven. If a soul would be redeemed and rise to heaven, then it would be proof that is is possible. Funnily enough many mentioned the point that the reason why angel dust probably cant rise to heaven could be because his soul is bound by the contract with Val, which in hindsight made him the worst possible example to choose to show if it is possible.
I wonder if they will do a whole thing where whoever is above Sera, because it is implied there is someone she answers to, is dormant in some way and they’re just winging it with no particular knowledge on what gets you to heaven. Probably not, but fun to throw theories out there
When Emily asked “Yeah, why ISN’T he here?” something kind of clicked. Can a demon ascend to Heaven if someone else owns their soul? There’s a lot of stuff that’s kind of coming together through the season in my mind as possible foreshadowing and things that will have consequences later. I think Lute’s “their love is vile and blasphemous” comment is in reference to theirs being a demon/angel romance and I think if the “Adam descends as a sinner” theory turns out correct and if a romantic undertone to their relationship has merit, it points to a kind of interesting struggle but I gotta imagine there’d also be a nice existential crisis about her function overriding the free will she doesn’t get as an angel (Exorcist vs Loyalty to Adam). Idk if being killed with the Heaven ray is supposed to be equivalent to angelic weaponry because if the angelic ray has the same permadeath effect, then that does give Adam the same possibility to descend as Pentious ascending imo. In that regard “That’s it!” “Kill everyone?” kind of feels like it’s a hint to sinners having to die to ascend. Literally kill everyone actually IS it. Alastor’s deal with Vaggie about her never asking him to involve himself with television is much less benign when we all remember one of the overlords that’ll be playing a bigger role in season 2 is Vox. Alastor’s interests are more coincidently aligned with Charlie’s. There’s a question to be had about the extent of the deal and if Vaggie is even able to communicate anything that would be refused. I mean, she persuaded Alastor into offering the deal so idk, maybe the deal keeps her from having the chance to do that much. Alastor’s ask for one favor here she hurts no one at a time of his choosing is so easily exploitable but y would have to e for something MASSIVE for him to cash in on. It’d have to be for something he’s extremely desperate for or he’s just waiting for a time where she’s so powerful she could follow through on literally ANYTHING. I’ve seen it put out there that it’d be to take his place in whatever deal he’s made which is interesting. If Alastor and Lilith’s disappearances are related, I kind of wonder if that’s the move she pulled on him. Somehow she tricked him into swapping places with her in another deal, whatever deal was ended with Adam’s death was able to then be made. I feel like aside from being a petty bitch who needs to be the prettiest in the room, if he has a deal with Lilith, it might have to do with Lucifer and amplifies that hate he has. I’m wondering if it might be something about wanting to go beyond just being a sinner in hell since a human soul does have its limits and if I’m not mistaken, even the most powerful Overlords can’t hold a candle to the power of hell born demon nobility. Not to mention as a human soul, he’s confined to just the pride ring of hell. Maybe his deal is in pursuit of basically becoming “hell born” essentially. But back to the soul ownership being something that might be something that actively prevents someone from ascending… it makes me wonder how many sinners have locked themselves out of it. An Overlord gains power by owning souls and Carmella says the number is in the millions.
Eh, Sera isn't unreasonable to worry, Velvette basicaly immediately wanted to declare war the moment she learnt angels can be killed. Admittedly, part of that animosity is probably fuelled by the yearly incursions. Those definitely didn't help the situation, but still Heaven isn't wrong to worry, they're neighbours to a town full of cannibals and psychos and it was getting more and more overpopulated, it's just that there's way better ways to solve that than what the Exorcists are doing. With Charlie's method they not only get rid of people from Hell, but also bolster Heaven at the same time and give people hope and something to work for, thus reducing the chance they'll join a rebel group. It's definitely the better solution to the problem, though admittedly, the likes of Valentino should be under lock and key.
Next episode is gonna feature Charlie and Vaggie probably making up rather quickly-Charlie's capacity for forgiveness is nearly endless-and considering I saw some promotional art featuring one of the other Overlords, I think Charlie is going to, for the first time, rally a legitimate force to defend Hell. There's also going to be one VERY important moment: If Alastor does NOT relay information regarding how Angels can be killed, then he is NOT on Charlie's side in the slightest.
The thing I see a lot of people talking about is how the song "You didn't know" is supposed to be this big 'gotcha' to Heaven, and yeah in a way it is certainly, but it does not actually resolve the issue at hand but merely points out that the angels aren't as all-knowing as they pretend to be. The fact, however, is that while the angels don't know why or how souls get to Heaven or go to Hell... they also aren't the ones doing the choosing either. As Sera says, they know when a soul gets to Heaven. Now this suggests that there is in fact some requirements hard coded into creation, and regardless of the angel's ignorance of how it works it still works anyways. We humans don't understand even a fraction of the universe or how it works, and even the things we do "know" are tenuous at best... that doesn't mean that there are no rules at all, and it certainly doesn't mean that the laws of the universe are arbitrary Souls come to Heaven or Hell, and while the exact requirements aren't known there is a very real and definite pattern as to who goes where. As far as we know there are no *apists in Heaven, no arsonists, no kidnappers, no serial killers, none of that (this could change of course if we are shown otherwise, but for now it's safe to assume), while Hell is very much the opposite in that even the likable characters that we're supposed to cheer for were not and are not good people. Angel Dust was a mobster and a slut who probably killed innocent people, Husker was probably a gambler who likely destroyed himself and maybe his family with his habit, Serpentious was apparently a full on Victorian Supervillain (awesome), Alastor is a serial killer and cannibal, and Nifty... you don't wanna know what her deal was~ The point being that the only reason we're rooting for these characters is because they're Main Characters and we're shown sympathetic traits, yet all of them unambiguously did things that would certainly earn them damnation. Trying to point at Angel Dust and say "See?! SEE?! He did all the things on that tiny list Adam pulled out of his ass, yet why isn't he in Heaven?!" is such a stupid argument, because it's literally the 'Deathbed Repentance" idea. A single good day is not enough to wipe the slate clean of a lifetime of debauchery and wickedness, so this idea that Angel Dust showing improvement yet not getting in doesn't make any sense. Charlie would need a LOT more compiled evidence to actually have any kind of point, because I for example could spend 30 years killing people and all kinds of other stuff, but if I suddenly throw a few pennies into a starving homeless persons hat that doesn't exempt me from any of my past behavior. And even if I did legitimately want to turn my ways around... if we're talking about a fair system, wouldn't it take about as long to repent as the time I spent doing wrong? If Angel Dust lived until he was like 30 (don't know his actual age when he died), and 15 of that was spent being a mobster and doing bad things, then it should take at least 15 years of living clean and good in order to wipe that taint from his soul. And this is just a simplistic look at this concept. To make a long rant even longer, while this song is definitely good, the underlying concept it's trying to push is poorly thought out on it's face. Charlie isn't making the point she thinks she is, because she's ignoring the reality that there is _something_ that determines whether souls go to Heaven or Hell and she's trying to act like it's all just shades of grey and arbitrary when nothing about the situation proves that at all and in fact kind of proves the opposite. The Angels not knowing what gets people into Heaven or Hell proves that they weren't actually the ones that built Creation, but are in fact nothing more than stewards running a system they don't actually have any real understanding of. And if that's the case... then they couldn't fix the system even if they wanted to, and how is trying to fix the rules of Creation any different than us wanting to change the laws of Nature just because we don't like them?
i agree with a lot of this and actually do hope they get into the actual atonement part of the sinners redemption, as so far all they've done is just become friendlier people which isn't really enough. but if the show really is arguing that angel dust and pals are ready for heaven as-is then i just cant stay on board cuz thats a bit silly. IMHO it should have been made more clear that the point of charlie's argument is that angel dust has been making progress and is thus (along with other sinners) capable of redemption, instead of saying "he checked off the list, let him in"
@@lazulazu2467 Yeah, if that had been Charlie's argument, simply saying "Hey look, Angel Dust _is_ improving! If we give him time and let him seek redemption, maybe we'll find that he'll ascend once whatever standards or requirements are met!" But instead her argument was "Angel Dust is behaving himself for this one day, so he should be in Heaven because he met the requirements (that Adam just pulled out of his ass), right?!" Now if I were personally writing this series, my big reveal would probably be something along the lines of revealing that Hell is in fact _not_ meant to be forever, but rather a true last chance for sinners to change their ways, the Last Ultimate Temptation... but the vast majority of them just opt instead to give up and give in to their sinful natures and continue to engage in the things that got them sent down in the first place. Which of course only furthers the amount of time a soul would need to finally find redemption. Think of Sin as a stain on one's soul, a stain that grows deeper and darker the more one indulges. If you take the time to work at it that stain can be slowly washed away, but the longer you sin the longer that takes. This would also still make the exterminations a terrible thing because that reveal would essentially show that the exterminations are robbing those souls of any chance to redeem themselves.
@DelightfullyMADD "Now if I were personally writing this series" But you see that's the thing you couldn't, because if you could you'd be doing that instead of commenting you inane bullshit about how you clearly know so much better than the person who actually has a successful show
@@skyrimguy217 Mmmm that's good salt. Keep it coming kiddo, or calm down and have your binkie~ A little wisdom for you; getting a show greenlit is not indicative of that show actually being good. If it was, then everything Disney has put out these days would all be amazing, but we all know _that_ isn't the case.
I have an interesting thought. The radio demon is absent in episodes 4 and 6. In episode 3, Alastor learns about the mortality of angels, and in episode 5, he clarifies the relationship between Lucifer and Charlie. After each of these significant events, Alastor disappears. Is it possible that he is accountable to the owner of his soul?
The points Adam gave are such bull! 'Be selfless' is a good basis but even a person being selfish can do good. Heck, oftentimes we do good because it makes us feel or look good, and as long as someone is genuinely helped because of it that doesn't matter. 'Don't steal', so I guess a mother stealing food to feed her baby is worth torturing forever? Or a young child clutching a gift their mom agreed to get them and forgetting to put it on the belt to be paid for, and no one notices? (True story) 'Stick it to the man' (Is that a friggin' 'School of Rock' reference Alex?!) Isn't God himself also 'The Man'? And yeah, I have seen *so* many cases where church-goers talked back to a pastor for judging people for doing something they think is wrong or preaching hate and exclusion (sarcasm). And in some cases, this can genuinely put someone in danger.
Welcome To Heaven, the first song, is like, the first time in the series that I’ve felt a song wasn’t like. Strictly necessary, I guess? I liked it! I wouldn’t call it unnecessary or out of place, just like. Ok fun moment to introduce us to Sera and Emily, show us heaven and that the human souls in there are animalistic just like the sinners, neat. On to the next scene! But like, almost every other song I immediately wanted to rewatch, if not multiple times lmao
But I think that's the point. That song was all about how "great" heaven was, which it's clearly not, so it kinda makes sense that that song isn't necessary because it isn't true
@@amidoshi1909 Fuck, good point. Like I said, I wouldn’t have called it unnecessary even before but I could see an argument being made saying ‘eh it felt like filler/do a song because we *gotta* have a song’ but I mean, your right, it kinda proves its point by its existence. FUCK. Hate this show. 💖 so good
Is anyone else a bit put off by how Sir Pentious's assault was played for laughs? I know it's hell but Angel Dust's SA is taken very seriously so that isn't a usable excuse.
I think that Emily might go down to hell. Not exactly fallen persay. After a few more tries of trying to figure something out she'd be given a final warning. So rather then be cast out/down, she'd leave willingly. Seeing that she can't figure something out within heaven she'd then go down to hell to help Charlie and to brainstorm with her to find a solution to get redeemed sinners into heaven. Her absence in heaven would be quickly noticed given what her role is and that she is a very public figure. She'd probably leave a note for Sera. But that could put Emily in great danger. She just appearing in hell wouldn't be as bad, it's where in hell. She could end up in the hands of some very bad demons that wouldn't be kind to her. So she should do everything she can to appear as close to the hotel as possible with the ideal place to appear within the hotel.
Also yes, those are weird comments considering the whole point of the story is redemption. One would think people who enjoy a series with so many progressive elements could get behind it but apparently not.
I think they're going through the sin vs moral theme. Who goes to hell? Sinners. Who doesn't? Believers. However, not every sinner is evil...for one, Lute mentioned Charlie and Vaggie have a blasphemous relationship, being gay is sinful to their eyes but none of them is evil or revelious. Angel is gay, but he's proved he has a good heart. Alastor is a killer and a psycho. Adam is a jerk but didn't sin...see where I'm going? Lucifer himself isn't evil, he just spoke up and questioned and was Fallen. Heaven isn't for the good and Hell isn't for the evil. That's why they call then Sinners and not Mortals or such.
I would say he isn't in heaven because he isn't 'virtuous'. You can still be a good person, and angel is changing into a good person, and still not be worthy sadly. In his life he most likely exhibited a LOT of the seven sins and never repented of them and fell into hell. On top of that wasn't his family a Mafia family in life? He very well may have MURDERED a lot of people... Ignoring the 10 commandments [one of them saying 'no murder'] We look to the 7 virtues Has Angel portrayed any of these?
Adam is in heaven becouse he was first human and went there by default as hell was not esabilished yet and it would look bad if first human was already rotten to the core. Adam for eating that forbbiden apple is the first sinner so he will end up in hell for sure along with Lute. My guess is that Vaggie will fight Lute and have her payback for ripped wings and eye. Too bad Adam has no idea that Alastor is in there, big mistake...and since Lucifer once again become close to daughter he would be involved too. Maybe in final episodes we will see Lilith.
