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I learned a hard lesson this week! Read on so you can avoid making the same mistake I did.
I really like the direction my new paintings are taking, but unfortunately, the paint is peeling off on one! It's an old acrylic painting I was working over and the acrylic paint is not sticking. I realized the previous version had a very thin layer of wax. Now this new painting is ruined.
The lesson is that acrylic does not adhere to anything oily or waxy - not even a thin coat. I'm going to attempt to take the paint and wax off and start again. I'm not sure how best to do that but I’ll start with a heat gun and alcohol to remove it. The new layer of paint needs to be secure since these paintings get rolled and shipped to the gallery. I hope this cautionary tale keeps you out of peeling paint trouble!
Has this ever happened to you? Let me know in the comments.
The Art2Life Podcast is back with an all new episode this week! My guest is my friend and artist, Louise Fletcher. She came through the Creative Visionary Program several years ago not thinking she was an artist and has since exploded! She warmly shares her wonderful wisdom as we paint together.
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Nicholas Wilton
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@linda1200 2 месяца назад

I wouldn't recommend using a heat gun to melt the wax, it will make the acrylic underneath bubble. You'll need to use a solvent to get it off.

@CherylSholund 2 месяца назад

I am always grateful to be shown that all artists, regardless of the depth of their experience, have these kinds of setbacks. (I will not call them failures because we always learn something from these difficulties, right?) I consider this personal admission of struggle a great kindness to those of us who are new to painting, making our own mistakes and facing our own obstacles. Thank you!

@dorenepage7862 2 месяца назад

Save the peels. It is cool to use it for collage later.

@TheLisbethK 2 месяца назад

Louise is great. I started following her before I found you :)

@nsdavisart 2 месяца назад

Why not remove the acrylic and just finish this one in oils? Seems less time consuming and risky. Oil should go over the wax and acrylic with no problems.

@SharonAgassiArt 2 месяца назад

“Wax on. Wax off.” Thank you for sharing this 🌹

@ccthesurfingspelunker 2 месяца назад

❤ Louise is great! I found out about you from Art Juice podcast a few years ago and have learned so much from you both! I enjoyed your podcast episode with her - she actually saya she didn't really know she was a teacher (even though she once did lead HR trainings).

@roseanne1234 2 месяца назад

Thank you for being so real and sharing the hard parts too. You are our hero.❤

@kerrypeele6124 2 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing that with us. Any knowledge that we can get from you as a gift have a great day.

@gillyslikejillysart7458 2 месяца назад

Awww crap Nick, sorry to hear about that. Can t wait to see you and Louise!

@TheresaCunninghamArt 2 месяца назад

Your work is beautiful.

@kathekokolias9569 2 месяца назад

Sorry to hear about your challenges, but really appreciate that you’ve turned it into a lesson for all of us. A year or so ago, I finished a 24X48 acrylic painting in cold wax and it could probably use another layer at some point, but to tell you the truth I got tired of all the rubbing! Thanks for your cautionary tale which I will keep in mind, All the best. Kathe, St. Augustine, Florida

@dferrantiJfr 2 месяца назад

I've used wax over gesso and blended oil pastel colors for a forest background, but buffed each layer off until I found the satin sheen I wanted. Over that was traditional oil sticks so there was no problem. Thanks for sharing as we learn from our problems.

@roz8723 2 месяца назад

Oh what a shame, all that work. Thanks for sharing.

@LisaArronis 2 месяца назад

You can dissolve the wax with solvent and wipe it off with a clean rag, and @linda1200 is right, the heat gun will bubble the paint underneath if you use it. I have heated paint with a heat gun deliberately then sanded it back; it creates some amazing textures.

@tomhlas3162 2 месяца назад

This happened to me once on two 18" x 18" paintings on wood panel. I could literally peel the whole paintings off the panels. I repainted these on two old paintings that I had forgotten I had finished the old paintings with cold wax. A lesson learned. That's why I no longer finish my paintings with cold wax.

@maureeno2072 2 месяца назад

How stressful this must be with your show coming up! Good luck Nick!! 🙏🏼💗

@barbaratalbott4265 2 месяца назад

Just be cautious about heat and chemicals. We suggest you never use heat with cold wax.

@Marti_Lay 2 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing this real life/art challenge, having just accidently deleted a print /product today I was uploading that I had prepped for my website sales -my caution-be careful with what buttons your fingers hover over or press on the keyboard!! we all have cautionary tales!!

@shellienoyes100 2 месяца назад

I would sand it off. Then seal it then start again. Definitely don’t use alcohol. It dissolves acrylic paint.

@angiepalen3588 2 месяца назад

Thanks so much for all your insights and lessons learned. 🙏

@michelenishikatsu4273 2 месяца назад

Loving that sweet Louise, was in “the house”, and in our stomping grounds! I’m in Sonoma County..yet my family is the forefathers of Sausalito, Mill Valley, Tiburon & Belvedere Island!🌸

@axelSixtySix 2 месяца назад

Next time, put a coat on shellac. It will insulate wax and acrylics will stick to it. Heatgun will fuse the wax only, and alcool dissolves acrylics, so I would not recommend any of them.

@jeff6660 Месяц назад

I like to deliberately put put wax on and paint over it...then I sand the painting with an electric sander and the paint comes off in interesting ways where the wax was. Then I add more paint and sand again here and there. It's a back and forth that can get really interesting...or NOT.

@danreece3484 2 месяца назад

It might be cool to reattach some of the peelings to another painting? Thanks for Sharing!!

@lesliewasserberger 2 месяца назад

Those peelings will have the wax on their underside...acrylic medium/gel will not work as an adhesive to reuse those peeled pieces...unless you flip them soas the wax is on the top and the acrylic is on the bottom adhering side, collaging it to a non oil, non wax surface.

@carleenbelfi1033 2 месяца назад

Hope you're saving the peeled acrylic skins to apply with matte medium to another painting. 😁

@lesliewasserberger 2 месяца назад

They will have the wax on their underside...so they won't stick using acrylic mediums.

@jonallan392 Месяц назад

I noticed your palette papers have an intetesting element of their own. Have you ever let them dry out for use as a collage elements?

@jodiwogandt3440 2 месяца назад

I had a similar experience painting on a vinyl surface. I applied gesso but it was pealing. I had seen someone on utube making skins to use in college. I applied 2 coats of gel medium and pealed the painting off the surface. This may have worked for you if you hadn’t used the heat gun. Good luck.

@leslieharris9088 2 месяца назад

It will be interesting to know if you are able to get all of the wax off, or if the acrylic sticks or not. I work with soft pastels, but still find this fascinating. Ditto on using a heat gun. I'd try a small sample on something else to see what happens to the acrylic before messing on the big painting. It's like trying to get candle wax off of clothing... I can't remember if they suggest ironing paper on top and letting the wax absorb into it or putting ice on it. You might want to research the best ways to remove candle wax from clothes first. This just might be a "live and learn" experience. I can't even imagine a solvent not having an effect on the paint as well. BTW keep whoever has been cutting your hair, it's been looking so great.

@nriqueog 2 месяца назад

It's going to take some effort to get ALL of the wax off, but it's doable. After you're done removing the wax I would seal it with some matte varnish just to make sure there's no surprises later. As a FINAL LAYER the wax would work and there shouldn't be any problems after it's sealed with a couple coats of varnish.

@ulrikeselleckart 2 месяца назад

Nick, what kind of BLUE is this please, on the left painting. Is it oil or acrylic? Name of BLUE???

@SingYourselfWell 2 месяца назад

Is it Phthalo???

@user-vs2ml4hf8i 2 месяца назад

You can use additives in your paint that make it flexible. Liquitex modeling paste and there are gels.

@YogiBogi108 2 месяца назад

Have you tried sanding? Depending on the sandpaper grade, you might be able to make the surface porous again - and create some surprises along the way!

@anna-mariepellett4362 2 месяца назад

I also calculate how much my time is worth and if I’m spending more time, dollars, then it would just be cheaper or equal in price to just purchase a new canvas or panel. This seems like it’s going to be a lot of work to try to fix it. And also speak to this situation from a personal point of view if you went into a gallery and bought a huge painting like that and it had all those underlying layers, would you be OK with that, I wouldn’t

@estanoapagnie9656 2 месяца назад

It has happened to me. However, thank you so much as I did not know how to deal with it. I have moved on acrylic inks. They are brighter and louder in all color conversation.

@thehappypotter9612 2 месяца назад

Who would have expected a drawback to productivity - but there you forgot about that wax layer 😆! Definitely use alcohol to take the last of that wax off. This exactly what happened to a pupil of mine when she thought I was talking nonsense about not being able to put oils over acrylics. It peeled off beautifully. She had a lot of fun with that.

@pamzavada5269 2 месяца назад

Now I'm confused! I thought it was just the opposite - oils can go over acrylics, but acrylics can't go over oils. Help anybody here please!😢

@thehappypotter9612 2 месяца назад

@@pamzavada5269 You can paint with oils over acrylics, but not with acrylics over oils (so you can't go back to acrylics after switching to oils), as acrylics peels off oils. So cold wax also adheres to acrylics and can be used as a final finishing layer. A friend who was an expert in hardware materials told me the sequence to work in is from water-based to solvent-based to oil-based (e.g. products such as PVA paint, thinners, turpentine). But I also find it confusing: If oils can adhere to an acrylic layer under it, why can't it also grip the acrylic layer over it? Still, practice proves differently - acrylic layers over oils do peel off.

@pamzavada5269 2 месяца назад

@@thehappypotter9612 Jeez!

@sallysims5090 2 месяца назад

Have you considered using Golden open acrylics if you want to have the time to work more sculpturally? I'm curious to hear how your wax removal process goes. Looking forward to hearing you and Louise talk. :)

@Starstudded1000 2 месяца назад

Nick what about using Oils instead of acrylic? Would it not be easier?

@dianad6314 2 месяца назад

OG how frustrating... but once you've removed the oils how about gluing on the acrylic pieces that came off? 😅

@lesliewasserberger 2 месяца назад

Those pieces will still have the transferred wax on their underside which will interfere with using acrylic medium to glue.

@melleartz 2 месяца назад

Hey Nick - best of luck removing it. I guess you could try using an old credit card to remove it as well as mineral spirit. Not sure about the heat gun as others have said. I did think you could get wax remover but have never used it. Just one other thought - you could test out on a small canvas first eg if you repeat doing it on that. Do let us know how it goes 🤞🏻

@ArtbyKatina 2 месяца назад

Yes, I knew that acrylic doesn’t hold on to oil based mediums. I’ve heard that oils bond to acrylic but not the other way around. I’m not sure about this I’m not going to give it a go, I can’t afford the mistake. I hope you can incorporate the mistakes into your artwork, could look amazing.

@carianin5293 2 месяца назад

Good to know!

@jandean9268 2 месяца назад

Louise pointed me to you. So now I have 2 great teachers. Commiserations about the wax. Bummer.

@LindseyTysonArt 2 месяца назад

best just adding oil paint on top instead of acrylic

@annettesmith5065 2 месяца назад

is the alcohol for the painting or for you?

@erikabirch7024 2 месяца назад

Huge bummer with that

@tonyamiller8418 2 месяца назад

Speaking of Louise, I think she uses cold wax on acrylic but I may be wrong !

@VesnaVujicic-Lugassy 2 месяца назад

Can you put gesso over the wax and then acrylic over the gesso?

@lesliewasserberger 2 месяца назад

Acrylic gesso will not adhere to the wax on the surface.

@cliffdariff74 2 месяца назад

Oil paint will go over the wax yes but then you still have the wax on top of the acrylic the problem will still exist

@TheLisbethK 2 месяца назад

There is a Powertex Powerwax that you can use with acrylics - perhaps try that?

@cliffdariff74 2 месяца назад

Never heard of this

@TheLisbethK 2 месяца назад

@@cliffdariff74 I had admired an artist who used cold wax with oil - and as I paint in acrylics I did some investigating and found Powerwax. It is available in the US and other countries. I also noticed an artist who uses it and is part of the Art2Life community - Marina Teding Van Berkhout. She mainly uses coldwax with oils but has been doing the Powerwax (waterbased) with acrylics. I bought some but I have just not had time to play. It is supposed to give the paint a lovely translucence.

@LoRobo10 2 месяца назад

OMG Yes! I just started using this and I'm loving it!

@iacidboon 2 месяца назад

Could one sand off the thin layer of cold wax that was previously applied?

@claremuller7815 2 месяца назад

Hi where was the wax? I’m confused

@cliffdariff74 2 месяца назад

He covered the finished painting with a wax coat

@claremuller7815 2 месяца назад

Was there a painting underneath finished with wax?

@erikabirch7024 2 месяца назад

Can you sand it off?

@iacidboon 2 месяца назад

Ah - didn’t see this post before I asked the same question! 😊

@flowerchild60 2 месяца назад

An you seal it

@anna-mariepellett4362 2 месяца назад

I would be concerned as the purchaser of the painting that all of that has gone on. Maybe you can address this further, but if I’m painting something for a gallery that’s gonna be sold to somebody I don’t even know probably I would never consider painting on a used canvas. I know it’s a different with oil paint because I’ve done that and I’ve seen people just know wipe it cleaned, that’s a whole different process. Especially if you’re rolling it up. For me that would always be a worry that if they hang it somewhere where it’s getting a lot of sunlight or they open their windows that that canvas is going to be affected by what’s underneath it. Maybe in a future video you could address that more from your point of view.

@YogiBogi108 2 месяца назад

I don’t think there’s a painting in the world that doesn’t have something beneath the surface of the finished product - you can’t finish without changing things up. The ‘pentimento’ is unlikely to come through once covered up thoroughly.