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00:00 Intro
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01:38 Why U No Love Firefox?
03:42 What I want in a web browser
05:03 Firefox Forks
06:35 Epiphany - GNOME Web
07:58 Google Chrome
08:47 Chromium
10:02 Brave
11:21 Vivaldi
12:46 Opera
13:26 Microsoft Edge
14:22 The FINAL CHOICE + full benchmarks
Let's start with why I want to switch from Firefox to something else.
First, Firefox is adding ads in the browser.
Firefox has telemetry enabled out of the box.
Firefox pushes other services I have no use for, like Pocket.
Firefox doesn't integrate all that well on Linux, and doesn't really look like a native app, unless you use custom userchrome.css, which might be disabled in the future. I like the Proton redesign, but it still doesn't really look like a native application.
Firefox's mobile app isn't great on Android. On iOS, it's just a Safari wrapper, but the interface isn't great either, IMO.
Now, what am I looking for in a browser, apart from a nice daily companion to share my adventures on the wonderful place that is the internet?
I want something that looks at home on my desktop as much as possible, something that looks like it's using GTK or Qt.
I don't need thousands of features and extensions: an ad block, syncing with an account to keep my passwords in sync between devices, or compatibility with a password manager, and that's it.
I need a mobile client that has reasonable performance and a usable interface.
I need decent performance so stuff loads relatively fast and doesn't stutter too much. Anything that performs in the same class as Firefox will work for me.
Ram usage is irrelevant, as I only use computers with 16Gb of RAM or more, so my browsing never really poses a threat to that.
I want a browser that's private out of the box, without opt-out telemetry, ads in the browser, or data collection.
I'd like to avoid chromium based browsers if possible, because Chromium is controlled by Google, however open source it is, and that monopoly kinda scares me. In the end, if it's not possible, I'll live with it. Grumpily, but I'll live with it.
That's about it! We might have to compromise on some of these points, so we'll be attributing a score to each browser. Let's look at what's available.
Firefox benchmarks:
Version 93
123 runs per minute - Speedometer
821.88 motionmark
894.37 basemark
WaterFox Benchmarks:
Version G4.0.1
109 runs / minute - Speedometer
757.65 motionmark
763.78 basemark
Epiphany Benchmarks:
Version 40.3
121 runs / minute - speedometer
324.60 motionmark
721.31 basemark
Google Chrome Benchmarks:
Version 95.0.4638
165 runs per minute - speedometer
Couldn't complete motionmark
1566.3 basemark
Chromium
Version 94.0.4606.81
142.9 runs per minute - Speedometer
Couldn't complete motionmark
1487.03 basemark
Brave Benchmarks
version 1.30.87
127 runs/min speedometer
718.51 motionmark
1168.89 basemark
Vivaldi Benchmarks
Version 4.3.2439.63
Speedometer: 124 runs per minute
Can't complete motionmark
1288.73 basemark
Opera Benchmarks
Version 80.0.4170.16
Speedometer 135.2 runs/minute
Motionmark couldn't complete
1240.1 basemark
Microsoft Edge
Version 95.0.1020.40
Speedometer 141 runs per minute
Motionmark can't complete
1354.3 basemark
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@myrinam 2 года назад

Don't understand why you'd choose a riskier option in terms of privacy just because it doesn't match the colors of your Linux desktop.

@RagdollWraith 2 года назад

yeah....

@jeremypilot1015 2 года назад

There is no privacy the governments of the world can see everything about you. Why would you think you somehow have better security on your little home PC that entire NATIONS don't have? The Chinese, Russians and Americans can hack anyone anywhere anytime.

@liquidsnake6879 2 года назад

Firefox cares about privacy? That's news to me must be one of these duckduckgo things where people somehow led themselves into believing the company cares about privacy based on old propaganda that no longer rings true to their modern reality

@odizzido 2 года назад

I notice this guy seems so care about appearance a lot. Not really my thing but many people care more about how something looks than how functional it is.

@jeremypilot1015 2 года назад

@@odizzido Yes I am one that loves a good GUI if you're reading text all day and think that is great you may have a menta defect my friend just sayin lol

@oldaccount7463 2 года назад

Imagine switching from windows to Linux and using edge as your browser.

@agnuswulf 2 года назад

Hey, that's me!

@oldaccount7463 2 года назад

@@agnuswulf Lol why?

@agnuswulf 2 года назад

@@oldaccount7463 Because I like it! It has everything I want in a browser in the right proportion. - The best reading mode out there - Extensions - The best integration with WebApps (even in Linux!) - A very good interface - Stable asf - Lighter than Chrome And the list goes on. It's simply perfect to me.

@riseabove3082 2 года назад

Edge is quite good. So not sure of the hate.

@oldaccount7463 2 года назад

I get what y'all are saying in terms of performance. However, a big part of moving to Linux is to get away from proprietary spyware. Sure edge is fast, but there are many great open source alternatives.

@supernenechi Год назад

I switched from Chrome to Firefox because I don't want Firefox to disappear into nothingness. Having only Chromium based browsers sounds like a bad idea, especially since no one will make any websites compatible with any other browser anymore. At least now developers will have to support Firefox still

@cameronbosch1213 10 месяцев назад

Too late.

@thekrampuselbananoquevivee9947 9 месяцев назад

the hero we need

@godnyx117 8 месяцев назад

They don't "have" to support Firefox, they just choose to because it still has a couple of users.

@cameronbosch1213 8 месяцев назад

@@godnyx117 No they don't.. The only reason Google does is to avoid Chromium ripped away from them. Which I really do want more than Firefox staying alive.

@Dosia142 8 месяцев назад

@@godnyx117 couple of users?

@MadhavMNair-yl8qx 2 года назад

as a firefox user and as a student, i have to say, pocket really is helpful when you are scouring through a thousand different websites for your projects/essays. it has really helped me ever since i started using it.

@scarletdragon1019 Год назад

Yeah, it's a really good complement to Firefox, I used to use it before it was added to Firefox by default

@only2sea Год назад

Its name was "read it later" before it became Pocket. I prefer readwise reader or instapaper.

@richi1235 Год назад

@@only2sea Those can be combined 😉

@siliconhawk9293 Год назад

am a uni student and can confirm, i did not expect pockets to be so good and helpful but i am glad it exists

@cakegal890 9 месяцев назад

Using pocket is basically handing your data out on a silver platter

@themroc8231 2 года назад

I am afraid that if Firefox disappears Google will be this much closer to owning the only web engine out there with Blink. There ought to be a HUGE debian-style community effort put into forking a web engine, preferably gecko, to produce a fast, safe, efficient, competitive, extensible web engine for developers to easily build new web browsers upon.

@accountid9681 2 года назад

Please, if I knew anything about web development I would help

@ThylineTheGay 2 года назад

@Blue_Ducky probably blender level of organisation

@Al0011235813 2 года назад

Why Gecko? WebRender is superior. Actually, we’d be much better of working to improve Firefox rather than throwing the towel.

@themroc8231 2 года назад

@@Al0011235813 Gecko is Firefox' s browser engine. I think webrender is a part of Gecko.

@Al0011235813 2 года назад

@@themroc8231 WebRender is a completely different codebase written in Rust. Check your facts.

@kuhluhOG 2 года назад

2:40 EVERY browser on iOS is a Safari wrapper. Apple mandates that in their App Store policies.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

Yeah, it’s Terrible

@realtimestatic 2 года назад

@The Linux Experiment yeah that’s why android is superior in terms of that regard! I don’t know how this isn’t apple abusing it’s monopoly

@DijTheWhiteEmperor 2 года назад

Your statement is a bit misleading. Apple enforces the use of WEBKIT. I think this is a good idea as iOS is an embedded system. Enforcing a single rendering engine means Apple is the sole company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage. Which is a good thing when you're the company trying to sell an OS/user experience as a whole. And still it allows web browsers to exist on top of it precisely because web browsers are useful for their exclusive features. I personally use Opera on my iPhone because Opera's flow feature has been pure gold for me. So stating it as if it was a monopoly abuse is really unfair in my opinion.

@zNoah 2 года назад

@@DijTheWhiteEmperor It could still be called "hindering innovation", since you cannot have better performance than Safari because of being enforced to use that specific engine. Example: I made a better engine than WebKit, but cannot use it on iOS because of that policy.

@pabllosee 2 года назад

@@DijTheWhiteEmperor "company controlling its power consumption/performances/disk and cache usage." You forgot to mention to control also web applications. With chrome based browser user could run whatever webapp he wants. With safari Your're limited for apple app store apps only.

@eveleynce Год назад

the main reasons I'm sticking with firefox are because firefox sync makes reinstalls quite a bit easier since I use a password manager and it automatically gets added when I first sign in (and yes, my computers hate me, so I DO end up reinstalling a LOT) and also because firefox has an easy option to force all sites to use a local font, I have one that I prefer because my dyslexic ass sucks at reading and all the ridiculous fonts people use just give me a headache

@sempasha Год назад

Never say "goodbye" to such a great browser like Firefox

@randomguy15865 Год назад

I love pages not loading properly!!

@randomguy15865 Год назад

Accept the truth Firefox sucks

@sempasha Год назад

@@randomguy15865 this is not always Firefox fault. Sometime it is just site scripts issue. Web developers tend to test their apps on Chromium based browsers only. This is not only Firefox problem, but Safari and any WebKit based browser so.

@Amp1771 Год назад

agree you will never get that level of privacy and customization again once you give up the only decent browser you have.

@Jst4vdeos Год назад

@@randomguy15865 Firefox blocks the evil scripts that Google wants on the Internet

@eurorra9531 2 года назад

The issue is that if Firefox goes away we will have a big issue. No one except Firefox can cope with Google. If google is the only one we are in deep trouble.

@MichaelMantion Год назад

FF sucks. And I was a big netscape user back in the day. Don't get me wrong I have librewolf, firedragon and firefox on my system but I only use libre wolf for a few things the rest of the time I use the faster google chrome or brave.

@eeaotly Год назад

@@MichaelMantion I still niss Netscape.

@tukuiPat Год назад

@@MichaelMantion Google changing how adblockers are allowed to work in Chromium browsers means seeing ads again where they'd otherwise be blocked.

@MichaelMantion Год назад

@@tukuiPat Agreed brave looks like the best choice going forward.

@zakem Год назад

WebKit exists

@phiupan 2 года назад

In the end I thought you were saying "I am moving from Firefox to... Firefox". That was the conclusion from your video, Firefox would be its best replacement.

@hunterap2355 Год назад

The only thing I'd point out is that Vivaldi lets you choose what features you want when you first boot it up, and gives you three distinct selections ranging from "just give me a web browser" to "give me all the extra features like a mail client"

@LunaExpiX Год назад

Notes about Pale Moon: You missed the entire point of the browser 1. It supports basically every device, even those that firefox doesn't currently support (XP). 2. It was originally made to allow NPAPI and PPAPI plugins to continue running (Stuff like Flash) 3. Customization is already available from the welcome screen, there is a tab on the website just for it 4. It is fast The problems with it is 1. Some sites doesn't work 2. Many modern addons don't work 3. It is old It remains as my secondary browser in case firefox stopped working

@alphaursaeminoris1 Год назад

In other words, insecure as hell. Just use Librewolf. Pale Moon sucks

@LunaExpiX Год назад

@@alphaursaeminoris1 I still use it in case any other browser breaks, if you want to browse old internet, it is king

@techlore 2 года назад

Let the browser battles begin!

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

My choice is probably not one any sane human being would make 😅

@yoman9446 2 года назад

@skYe_ waterfox has a s*itty privacy policy

@-bazoona3654 2 года назад

@@yoman9446 we need earthfox and airfox

@SunIsLost 2 года назад

yes

@stephanhuebner4931 2 года назад

@@goodsoul6675 I don't get that either. As long as those features can be switched off if not needed, I don't see the issue.

@simonneville777 2 года назад

I want to see how this evolves. I have a feeling you'll go back eventually.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

Might be!

@seccentral 2 года назад

Used Firefox since it was called firebird. Switched to brave 1 year ago on PC laptop phone and tablet. Didn't care about switching back. At all.

@guss77 2 года назад

I'm looking at epiphany (or how GNOME calls it these days: "Web", as if application names is not a thing anymore) from time to time and unfortunately it is not in good place - the feature set is very bare (as expected for a GNOME app) and it's integration with my Plasma desktop is abysmal - just getting it to have the correct DPI is annoyingly difficult.

@niteshpillai1977 2 года назад

Chrome for work and Firefox for personal use!

@isanarditama 2 года назад

What he said? Biffeni?

@saidalachgar8837 2 года назад

as a developer, am sticking on firefox. It has an amazing dev tools ♥️

@BlizzGMX 6 месяцев назад

agree. The firefox developer edition is awesome. Especially when working with grid and flexbox.

@coshvjicujmlqef6047 25 дней назад

as a developer i block ff's agent string.

@moki4541 2 года назад

"Firefox diying is TERRIBLE for the web" posted 2 Weeks ago. Well this aged badly

@d00dEEE 2 года назад

I'm sticking with Firefox for now. It runs equally well on all of my phones, Linux machines and Windows machines, and I truly love the "send tab to device" feature (look up something on my phone, then send it to my desktop where I can actually read it).

@Polar_Onyx 2 года назад

I find it funny how a lot of the comments here talk about "I'm use x because *insert odly specific feature*" and I realized it doesn't really matter how high performance and browser or how secure people just pick what they like the most so it's pointless to argue (unless of course they use chrome or edge)

@softwarelivre2389 2 года назад

The native screenshot feature is also pretty neat!

@goblinnnn 2 года назад

@@Polar_Onyx Browsers are literally all preference. There's no use fanboying over one or another, which is why i think these comments are so silly.

@franky6193 2 года назад

opera has that feature aswell, its called my flow

@johnbuscher 2 года назад

@@Polar_Onyx It’s almost like people pick software based on their use cases…

@GenesisGreen 2 года назад

I don't know if you've considered this already but LibreWolf is kinda like Firefox without all the telemetry, kinda like how Ungoogled Chromium is from Chromium or Chrome.

@ParaPsychic 2 года назад

I thought he was gonna just pick LibreWolf and end the video. Surprisingly, it didn't even make it to the video!

@krimsonbun 2 года назад

he said he wants to get the feeling of a new browser. Librewolf doesn't give that to him.

@neoasura 2 года назад

Librewolf is what I use for all my business related stuff. I love it.

@jordanoconnell48 2 года назад

Yep totally agree librewolf for the win, best browsing experience I've had

@loop5720 2 года назад

Never heard of it, now that you mention it, that sounds really great. FireFox is pretty fast too, I want it now.

@MarkusBurrer 2 года назад

A browser without DarkReader or something similar is a total no-go for me. I don't want any bright webpages anymore, even on the mobile browser.

@creepybeat Год назад

same, best browser for this is Samsung browser (Android) you can force pages to go dark theme, or you can force even more by using the high contrast option.

@spookynutsack Год назад

manifest v3: im gonna make this man use firefox back again

@blackknight8894 2 года назад

Firefox still rocks, people will understand it's true value when it will disappear from market or get crushed by monopolistic companies, always with firefox 🥰

@njbrx Год назад

ever since switching to Linux full time, I have been using firefox and I don't have any major issues with it

@laughingvampire7555 Год назад

I used Netscape Navigator the grand daddy of FF, then Mozilla Browser the father and then FF and they all were shitty that is why Microsoft crushed Netscape, and then Mozilla because Netscape/Mozilla were a bunch of coders who didn't understood the needs of users and Google did that is why crushed everyone, including Microsoft and is becoming the dominant by far engine for the web. If it were for Microsoft and Mozilla we would've remained in the browsers of 2005 without any significant changes, the web would've been completely boring.

@ubahni Год назад

yeah i love slow browsing and webpages not loading properly!!!!

@roblabbe629 Год назад

Are U chinese

@randomguy15865 Год назад

@@ubahni lol true

@0xde57 2 года назад

It is sad to see Firefox dying like this. I'll hold onto it for a while as I have it configure how I like with an about:config but its getting worse to maintain. Also competition to google is good. I find myself jumping back and forth between firefox and brave and kinda using it as task separation between work/play or topics of research. Also back when I was doing webdev, the debugger in chrome is simply better/easier to use imo

@christianemden7637 2 года назад

I see your point entirely, and while I agree with the good of having competition, I just never liked firefox. I ran opera (starting with version 5.0) for many years, before it started to suck. After a few years with Firefox, I now switched to Vivaldi, and am as happy with at as i used to be with opera in the beginning years.

@caraxes_noodleboi 2 года назад

Chrome will never take me alive. I wil continue using Firefox till the day I die or Firefox dies.

@Lestibournes 2 года назад

I just use different profiles in Brave to switch between work and play. They open up side by side in separate windows.

@chomskyan4life 2 года назад

@@caraxes_noodleboi Agreed... and hopefully an alternative to firefox comes along at some point. But that may be daydreaming though... considering the immense complexity and cost of maintaining a full-featured browser.

@awex7 2 года назад

i like brave bc of its tor feature

@ariathyf144 Год назад

Hi Nick, here are the other options you could consider : - Braver (a fork of Brave that took out the extra bloat if you can still find it) - Librewolf (this one only lacks a Qt environement to pair with KDE) - Konqueror & Falkon (the 2 that match KDE) - GNU Icecat (it can only improves since it remain Freesoftware)

@azeram6335 11 месяцев назад

Librewolf is a must, but for some the hardening can be a problem, its block a lot of functions, but its nice for privacy, for Nick Waterfox sound a good option.

@PurpleKnightmare 10 месяцев назад

Looks like you have to build (compile) Braver, it is not hard to find.

@BhagwantRai654 10 месяцев назад

I love librewolf, works great on openbox

@comosaycomosah 10 месяцев назад

Oooh def making a braver Brower

@bradfordlewis9765 Год назад

While Firefox is and will remain my preferred browser, I actually use 7 browsers altogether. Some have specific purposes, but others are simply options when Firefox doesn't behave or I'm just seeking a change. Opera and Vivaldi are tied for second, Brave is for those times when I need the utmost in Privacy (with Tor as a backup), and I still have but rarely use Chrome (mainly because it's a Google product/engine).

@SFSAtlas 2 года назад

Librewolf is what I use, basically hardened firefox

@chapogon 2 года назад

I'm a bit surprised he didn't mention librewolf but I guess he would scored it similar to waterfox

@neolight1010 2 года назад

@@chapogon Perhaps a bit less, as it doesn't support Firefox Sync.

@chapogon 2 года назад

@@neolight1010 that's true, I guess that also might be one reason he didn't showed it as well

@johnmal5975 2 года назад

I love librewolf. It's a great project. If you want something simple (you don't have to spend a half hour with about config) its a great choice.

@gravatharg2728 2 года назад

@@johnmal5975 Hello! I am wondering about what to choose - Waterfox or LibreWolf. I am Windows 10 LTSC user (with cut out telemetry and other spy stuff. However, I used Manjaro Linux for a while, but it has unacceptable performance for me) and still idk what to choose.

@villenmillenion7986 2 года назад

I missed librewolf, dot, wexond, decentr, unbranded firefox and firedragon, which is a fork of librewolf focused on KDE

@ejazali4 2 года назад

dot browser is still in development!

@awolsam 2 года назад

Interesting a few of those I had not even heard of, will have to look them up. Also there is Basilisk and Naver Whale :)

@villenmillenion7986 2 года назад

@@awolsam Whale I ignored because it has too much clutter, the ones I mentioned are all within the parameters of Nick, Basilik is ok but I had issues updating if your language is not english, it literally break beyond repair, same with waterfox for some reason

@villenmillenion7986 2 года назад

@Lynn Geek I don't use thunderbird, I open my emails on the browser, so I don't know what to tell you

@seanpaul7069 2 года назад

@@villenmillenion7986 librewolf is dead?

@AwakeTruthSeeker 2 года назад

I don't care about how a browser fits into my linux desktop, I want security, privacy, and good plugins/addons. Looks like Waterfox is a good alternative to Firefox. I would never use Microsoft Edge, even on Windows. I have to use Chrome at work, but would never use it at home.

@michaelhoule2134 2 года назад

I've used waterfox for years and I really like it. I'm a Windows 10 user. never had any problem with waterfox.

@ml_serenity Год назад

Problem with the Firefox is that sometimes it's not rendering in an intended way as developer of the site never tested it with the Firefox. It's rare, but it happens. This is the main reason I've switched to the Edge long ago (after it moved to Chromium).

@po6qu7 2 года назад

Sad :( I have been using Firefox for more than 15 years now. Even though the browser is not at the same level as it used to be even half a decade ago, I really can't see myself jumping ship anytime soon.

@parkerbohnn 2 года назад

The icon for Firefox is enough to make a grown man barf. Could they make a worse looking icon?

@giddycadet 2 года назад

@@parkerbohnn personally i love those semi-minimalist, colorful, gradient-filled icons. Edge has another great one.

@Matthigast 2 года назад

Vivaldi has many features, but when you first launch it you get a popup where you can select the bare minimum with a single click for it to be "just a browser"

@jovanzdravkovic5851 2 года назад

it is proprietary software, therefore it is instantly not a even an option for many, like myself

@BafroomHumor 2 года назад

Yeah i don't think he was even giving it a serious look, seeing as how he ignored the first install page. I don't think he would have used it anyway but it's bit of a failed overview

@nathanwilliams8902 2 года назад

And on top of that you could just choose Vivaldi Essentials

@amisanthrope247 Год назад

@craig Why have a over-bloated browser full of sh*t you'll never use? _Some_ extensions are junk but I haven't found too many in Firefox that had problems. The extensions not recommended are where you might find a dud but you make it sound like a hopeless endeavor which it's not. Many people want everything to operate the way they want straight out of the box with no set-up but that also normally leaves them with few settings, options & choice. You are an iPhone user, aren't you? 😁

@liamburke4406 Год назад

@Ankit I just tried and it works

@HeinrichBeck 2 года назад

I've been using Vivaldi for the past 6 years (it was a buggy crashfest in 2016!), and it's great. Privacy, ad-blocking, tab-stacking, and runs great on Linux.

@MarcCastellsBallesta 2 года назад

I've been using Chromium for work because of the profiles. I need to have separated gmail accounts simultaneously. And I use Firefox for the rest. I've read that I can launch Firefox with different profiles from the CL. Is there any other way to do it? One that's more integrated with the browser. Thank you!

@Keyshooter 2 года назад

the best part of this video is how you show up that browser usage depends on user usage, i can't move away from firefox because the containers are a nice feature which i can't see myself without using it, but that is my case, epiphany may be the right answer to your needs even with the compromises, and move people to use new stuff in a better way, with less fanboy-ism in between

@deoxal7947 2 года назад

What do containers do for you? I use Firefox but only because Chromium forks hate old Nvidia GPUs. The bookmarks, history, and other parts of the UI are so bad.

@campfred007 2 года назад

This is my exact situation. I use containers to isolate browser sessions by subjects (work, personal life, projects, shopping, etc) and it enables me to get back the generic ads online that are thailored by where my IP addresses is rather than what I'm doing recently (hard to believe, but that is the form of ads I prefer). I did try a similar extension on Chromium, but it didn't work as well and it was paid. Even after unlocking the paid features, it still wasn't on par with Firefox's containers with assignations and stuff.

@Keyshooter 2 года назад

@Stewie Griffin this, i use it for both

@jotomato 2 года назад

Simple Tab Groups and containers. Can’t switch browser because of this.

@edstar83 2 года назад

Netscape for life.

@ilearncode7365 2 года назад

"Its not censorship to let a big tech company determine what is and isnt true and then restricting visibility of things it decides are not true (ie, things it does not like)".

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

No one said a big tech company should decide. That’s the current situation of things. That’s not what Mozilla wants.

@chaos.corner 2 года назад

@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation". It's right there, they hardly even applied much doublespeak.

@fiberopticradiationburns2051 2 года назад

@@TheLinuxEXP "Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation."

@DavidIstre 2 года назад

By definition, censorship doesn't bother him since he doesn't think it's censorship to let others determine what is "true" and therefore "acceptable speech". But, I guess that just means he's not at risk of getting shut down by RU-vid.

@ilearncode7365 2 года назад

@@DavidIstre hes a weak pseudo-intellectual that only repeats articles he finds online, and has jewish approved “lukewarm” takes on everything, and yes, it is censorship to censor speech you dont like in order to “decide what is true” is.

@rollingpanda4198 Год назад

Great video! I'm experimenting with Linux distros and finding a long-term browser to use is on the list so this information is very helpful.

@timothyjholloway Год назад

I don't understand why aesthetics would be a serious consideration. Maybe I wasn't paying close attention but these browsers all seemed to have similar designs where the aesthetics, or the app surrounding the web content, were minimal. If you were shopping for a decent car to get you from point A to B without a hassle, were looking for a low price, reliability, fuel efficiency, and convenience, would you turn down a well-maintained Honda Civic because the colour was wrong or it didn't go with your wardrobe? Linux on the desktop can still be considered non-standard compared to Windows and macOS (or ChromeOS). It has varying and customizable UIs that browsers probably should not be customized for unless it's by the desktop environments themselves. I generally assume that people with the initiative to run desktop Linux are more focused on technical, practical, and functional aspects of their computing experience and only secondarily care about aesthetics. I'm typing this on a Chromebook. I'm thinking about getting a different computer one day, perhaps a Slimbook. I don't think I can get exactly what I want in a computer, especially from anything running macOS or Windows, even if I run Linux on it. But maybe KDE has done their very best, and that means a lot to me. They didn't create AirTags as a way of ripping off Tile's IP or put the faulty butterfly keyboard on their laptops worth thousands of dollars. They also presumably won't try to force a particular web browser on me, like Microsoft Edge. And while desktop Linux might not be absolutely perfect, it's about as close as it gets today, far removed from the annoying politics that go with more mainstream OSes, including ChromeOS and Google forcing its buggy features on users. In a recent update to ChromeOS, Google forced an upgrade to Android which slowed Android apps down on low-end Chromebooks (as the vast majority of Chromebooks tend to be). They also added an unremovable app icon for the Linux cli and another for something called Screencast that I think allows communication via webcams. There's also an Explore icon which gives inaccurate and out of date information on the latest features on ChromeOS. It's also unremovable. None of these operating systems or devices are going to be exactly to my preferences. I have to be careful to pick the best ones possible. And you know what? I think Firefox is likely the best one. If you can turn the telemetry off and stop the built-in ads (I might consider donating a small dollar amount to Mozilla to show my gratitude), also adding uBlock Origin to stop ads online, you might have a browser that isn't based on Chrome/Chromium, has an engine of its own, is mainstream enough to run the entire internet, and has been around longer than Chrome/Chromium. I'll look for the follow-up to this video to see how things turned out. While any browser made by the open source community is admirable for that very quality, I assume that Mozilla's sins are all about trying to keep themselves afloat since their main competition is from one of the largest tech companies in the world with a market capitalization of $1.7 trillion.

@jiristefka3177 2 года назад

I'm sad that you're leaving firefox. I'm sticking with it as it's the most mainstream non chromium browser, also, I use it since 2009. It get's my theme's colors in KDE (there's default theme, that picks colors according to system theme), I have some extensions, I use the sync, etc... I'd love firefox to get better, not worse, so it would get more people using it, otherwise, chromium will be basically the only web engine out there (relevant). And monopoly is never good...

@nicobzz1 2 года назад

Firefox use lot of memory, I also stopped using firefox and moved to chromium for that. I guess as google give money to firefox team (if I'm not wrong)they tell the firefox team to reduce or at least not improve the quality of firefox, By this way, lot of people will move to chrome, As users using chrome certainly bring more money to google than firefox, it's a good thing for google :)

@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf 2 года назад

@@nicobzz1 Can you not spread disinformation you pulled straight out of your arse? You clearly don't know anything about the situation, why do you have to make stuff up? You obviously have internet access: use it to inform yourself about the situation instead of spreading lies. Thank you.

@nicobzz1 2 года назад

@@eyjzdrkxjqzfuhqyzybf what things I told do you critiquize? If you criticize that I said that firefox used lot of memory, know that I started firefox, I watched the amount of memory used with about 20 tabs opened, the total system memory was about 3,5 GO, and in the same situation chrome used about 2GO, where as abuntu alone used about 1,3 GO. I do believe firefox use more memory. About what I told about google, it's an hypothesis, only and hypothesis, it's why I used the word "I guess"

@bootifulghost8624 2 года назад

@@nicobzz1 Dude you are spreading misinformation about "Google is telling Firefox what to do" (Yes, you are wrong). That's nonsense, atleast until proven otherwise.

@orkhepaj 2 года назад

does that make you sad? why ?

@meowcula 2 года назад

I'm still sticking with Firefox. I can configure it how I like. It's not another chromium wrapper and the syncing and integration across multiple machines and multiple platforms is very useful to me. Thank you, thank you Nick for pointing out the whole "censorship" thing is BS. That tired old complaint from people who can't read (like DistroTube) is so very annoying. Really enjoyed your evaluation process in this video. Looking forward to the follow-up!

@realtimestatic 2 года назад

@Linux Addict yeah! I’d rather have him not as one of the main RU-vidrs representing the Linux community but unfortunately he is! And if people from the outside see some of the bs he said or done it might make the Linux community seem unfriendly

@noxiousophidian9634 2 года назад

I agree. But, whats the BS Distrotube is peddling? I have watched a couple of his videos, I haven't found anything controversial. I just checked out the Firefox isn't supporting a free internet video, BS I agree, but that was it.

@BlindRambler 2 года назад

DDG: Mozilla censorship Google will probably hide the post. And RU-vid is removing my posts.

@stephanhuebner4931 2 года назад

This test just proved to me that Firefox is the right choice (for me) as well. I don't see any dealbreaker yet, and more importantly I don't see a better choice.

@k4everut 2 года назад

@@terrydaktyllus1320 DT has a right to express his opinion, that's true. Other also have the right to not watch his videos AND openly disagree with his rhetoric. He has a right to say what he wants to say, but he has no right to not be openly criticized for it.

@viharsarok 2 года назад

You are one very picky guy.

@Gaonirico Год назад

This week I switched from Chrome to FireFox, because it bothered me that Chrome made a very intrusive bar appear below indicating that one is downloading files. In FireFox it is more discreet and there is simply an icon above that indicates that a file is being downloaded, which does not bother visually in any way.

@singleflake2 2 года назад

I will stick with Firefox. Seems like times suck for them right now, but so far i didn't notice any negative impact on my browsing experience yet. I fear this is turning into a trend to switch to chrome reskins for no real reason. I hope it stops soon.

@treyquattro 2 года назад

moi aussi

@DFX2KX 2 года назад

some of it is disagreeing with Moz' data collection. Some of it is disagreeing with Moz' politics, and a bunch of it comes down to newer websites not rendering right.

@tidalleaf 2 года назад

Agreed - I don’t personally understand much of the criticism of Firefox’s browsing experience. Whenever I’ve switched to Chromium-based browsers, I find them clunky/cumbersome over time and eventually return to Firefox.

@singleflake2 2 года назад

@@tidalleaf Its so much cleaner than any Chromium browser when you set it up right.

@viper8908 2 года назад

Vivaldi is the only real Chromium-based contender to Firefox for me. I rely on customizability and features of Vivaldi which Firefox can't replicate (or can, with like 100 inefficient add-on workarounds), so to each their own. It's sad that it isn't open-source/Gecko-based because it appeals to "power users" which typically prefer FOSS. On another hand, Vivaldi fully open-sources its outdated versions; not the same thing, but you can look into that.

@fredrikbystrom7380 2 года назад

3:20 Seeing how the phrase "this is proven to be false" is being used today, having that as a reason to censor information will most certainly be abused.

@somewhathappy5610 2 года назад

Yeah, like how Republicans pretend like all the science is not always against their racism, transphobia, misogyny, Climate Change and homophobia.

@mikenixon2721 Год назад

Fascinating video: thanks! I'm also a very long time linux user, and for at least 3 years can simply hit the "print screen" button on my keyboard. Then i can choose to take a screenshot of the entire screen, the active window, or define an area to copy. (Linux mint 17.. 21). Keep the videos coming!

@udance4ever Год назад

I'm sure he's referring to capturing a scrolling screenshot which I find really useful to capture a multi-page web page

@blind5211 Год назад

"Firefox hides telemetry in the settings and doesn't inform users about it" - but can it still be disabled? (a genuine question, I'm new to... a lot of things)

@realzeti 2 года назад

It would be useful to also include the security component in your list, i.e. how fast the vulnerabilities are patched etc.

@vertihippo1274 Год назад

@Ankit That's debatable. I'd say security and privacy go hand in hand! If someone wants privacy, they'll need a browser that is secure. Likewise, if someone wants a browser to stay secure, there needs to be a fair amount of privacy. I'd say both are crucial to one another. Security means more than just bug fixes and patches. It also means having your personal data protected.

@HeWhoProclaims Год назад

@@vertihippo1274 I really would like to know which offers both impressive security and privacy. I really can't decide between Firefox or Brave and it's looking me..

@vertihippo1274 Год назад

@@HeWhoProclaims The answer lies in personal preference! Firefox has never failed me in terms of privacy, but this certainly gives me a bias. Brave is Chromium-based and open-source, and open-source is always good to hear. Firefox is also open-source. I have never much liked Chromium myself, but I must say I like what I've read about Brave. Articles comparing the two reach various conclusions. I would recommend you look into and use them both. Which one is faster? Which one seems more invasive? Does one seem more bloated? Which has more security features? Most importantly, which suits you? *If you ask me,* Firefox with addons will always beat something Chromium-based for privacy. Again, this is biased and shouldn't be treated as solid advice. I've used both a bit, and both have their own pros. Brave and Firefox are both a tad bloated, although Firefox feels much less bloated to me while providing similar features. Brave comes with a Rewards feature which seems excessive. Firefox comes with less built-in, and I'd say that gives more privacy control. You can choose what you want more so, optimizing speed and security.

@noureddine3633 10 месяцев назад

@@vertihippo1274 the person asked security not privacy, Chrome is a secure Browser either you like it or not the problem is the privacy and that's what kinda draw the line between privacy/security debate you trying to start, therefor security as in fast response to vulnerabilities should also be considered separately .

@ar1i_k 2 года назад

5:13 I think it should be noted that Pale Moon resides in Windows XP territory because it aims to take over Windows XP era computers (that can't handle most of modern browsers)

@Blessed2bFresh 2 года назад

@Unleavened Eagle even on 64?

@bluebirdsigma 2 года назад

Male poon is a joke

@thelakeman2538 2 года назад

@Unleavened Eagle not anymore, though it supported it for a long time (mypal is based of it I believe)

@slowyourroll1146 2 года назад

@@bluebirdsigma how about Seamonkey?

@GalactusOG Год назад

I used Firefox for so very long. But after Google took it over it started to suck.

@ov_b 2 года назад

What ia the distro you use?

@Music_PsyQuake 2 года назад

The interface is a bit too unorthodox for my personal liking but definitely some great features!

@SkyyySi 2 года назад

There's also "LibreWolf", which is Firefox, but with all Mozilla stuff disabled and some other neat tweaks as well. It is, unlike WaterFox, very close to upstream. Although it is somewhat " aggressive" with it's changes, as things like DRM are also turned off by default.

@enkiimuto1041 2 года назад

Yeah I was surprised he didn't go for it.

@robertm20 2 года назад

I mean LibreWolf is basically just hardened Firefox out of the box

@vrl. 2 года назад

LibreWolf ftw

@blackmine57 2 года назад

Goint to check that, thanks !

@karibui494 2 года назад

The main issue for me is the lack of mobile app and sync options

@nigeI 2 года назад

those are stupid reasons

@PUPPYBONZ Год назад

Is there any way to undo Firefoxes latest updates or reload the older version. I'm in the process of uninstalling firefox and they make it extremely difficult.

@ashiqurrahman-nu7ik 2 года назад

Yes vivaldi can feel overwhelming at first but its worth it. The best part is that it allows you to start from very simple mode disabling all the advanced stuff like web panels, tiling, stacking. With the simple mode, it will feel like any other decent web browser and then you can just make your way up to some of the advanced things little by little. Everything is configurable to your needs and once you get it right for you, it really does boost up your overall productivity.

@milosmisic89 2 года назад

Agreed. Vivaldi takes time to learn it but once you do it's a heaven for people who like to customize their experiences. I used it for a while loved it. Mobile app is also good. Now I switched to Edge because of his lightweight performance but the mobile app leaves much to be desired.

@NormTurtle 2 года назад

@@milosmisic89 hey . edge is will not be good at option . try opera it has good performance too

@freelookmode9837 2 года назад

It's privacy policy and practices are a pile of shit though.

@Ben-li9zb 2 года назад

@craig Microsoft edge is essentially just a better chrome variant. Not great, but its simple, decently optimized, and it works if you don't care too much

@Ben-li9zb 2 года назад

@@freelookmode9837 fair, but tue only browsers that don't have that problem don't have the features I want

@sbstratos79 2 года назад

Personally, I just can't use a browser if it doesn't have tab stacking. Vivaldi is the only browser that has it afaik (not counting the Tree Tab Style extension). And the extra features aren't deal breaking at all. Most of them are useful and don't feel like bloat. Except for the email client and calendar.

@TheAkashicTraveller 2 года назад

To me it seems like tab stacking but it's actualy bookmarks in the backend would be the way to go. Anyway I just went looking and figured out how to turn the bookmarks toolbar on, I guess I'll see how that feels to use.

@Cavi587 2 года назад

Yeah, I love Vivaldi. I've been supporting them for years now. Of course, it's not perfect, but personally I love exploring features in a browser. And as you said, all the extra stuff in Vivaldi doesn't seem like bloat. The performance is great and you can turn all the stuff you don't need off. I would call it more of a framework for the user to build the exact browser they need.

@MCLooyverse 2 года назад

Tab stacking? Is that vertical tabs? I use some Firefox extension other than Tree Style Tabs for that, at the moment (it just looks nicer to me), but native support for vertical tabs is something I would look for in a new browser.

@sbstratos79 2 года назад

@@MCLooyverse Vivaldi has 3 tab stacking styles. Compact, Two-Level and Accordion. In Vivaldi you can move the tab bar to all 4 sides of your screen, but that's unrelated to the tab stacking feature. As for the Tree Tab Style extension, I did mention it in my original comment. While it's convenient, I definitely prefer Vivaldi's native tab stacking.

@UpbeatRhythm 2 года назад

Chrome got tab groups a bit ago but it's nowhere near as useful as Vivaldi's imo

@InkubusGames 2 года назад

What I have noticed in this short comparison that these Chromium based browsers are kinda having slower performances the more bloat they have. I used to love Opera long long time ago. But they have changed and especially what bugs me the ownership of that company. Right now I am using Vivaldi with medium setup - both at home and at work. I really like stack tabs feature and it helps me immensely (especially with Jira). Also quick translation pane is also needed as a software developer I often work with foreign languages which I don't know - so it comes handy. I also like the download management - it used to be like that in Opera as well and I like it that way. Mail client - no I am not using that. I got used to web based emails so having any form of a mail client is sort of wasting space and time on my PC (apart from work where we must use Outlook). All in all, Browsers are VERY personal choice and performance is not always the key factor here.

@aspergale9836 Год назад

1:24 - NextCloud? What's that? OnlyOffice? I can't hear the words well, and closed captions are disabled for the video for some reason.

@fikretdemir4818 2 года назад

Mozilla Foundation should focus on making browser rather than proposing bogus "solutions" for non-existent "issues".

@imonabudget4427 2 года назад

But how are they supposed to fund that browser? As an aside, mozilla's complementary services do solve a lot of real problems for me.

@fikretdemir4818 2 года назад

@@imonabudget4427 Funding a company is not your problem, it is theirs. Complementary services and acting as wannabe think-tank are not same things.

@gregorypaul0 2 года назад

@@fikretdemir4818 you don't need to use their extra services, if you don't want to. There are people who may use it.

@superagucova 2 года назад

@@fikretdemir4818 it is definitely your problem if you expect to get a cutting edge, performant and compatible browser. Mozilla is an NGO, but it's extremely costly to maintain a competitive browser especially with the fast pace of web standards.

@fikretdemir4818 2 года назад

@@superagucova Of course I will expect a good browser from the company that mainly focused on browser, just like you expect good meal from a restaurant. Funding is not my problem.

@josephdegarmo 2 года назад

I want to see a resurgence in the development of Falkon. It has a lot of potential because the UI integrates well with KDE and has some features. Sadly, it looks like an abandoned project.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

Yeah, that’s too bad!

@shaunreich Год назад

The ironic thing is, chrome (webkit) and safari (webkit) all came from KHTML which was a KDE project, years ago. So we gave KDE to thank for browsers being how far they are today

@ericbrunel8933 Год назад

Just had confirmation a few days ago via the Falkon mailing list that it is not a dead project. There is work being done on it, it just lacked a maintainer for some time, but it has now been integrated in KDE Gear and seems to be actively developed again. It will actually go from version 3.2.0 to version 22.08.something, because it switched to the "standard" KDE version format. And it's good news indeed because it is a great browser.

@josephdegarmo Год назад

@@ericbrunel8933 Great. Now if we can get a dark mode for it like Dark Reader in Chrome and Firefox, that would be fantastic.

@ericbrunel8933 Год назад

@@josephdegarmo I was precisely asking on the mailing list about the Readability extension, that I couldn't get to work. Turns out it's written in Python, and Python-based Falkon extensions don't seem to be widely supported to say the least (they aren't working in my distro's Falkon version, and neither do they in the flatpak version or the snap version 🙄). But one the guys I talked to said it could be easily rewritten in QML - which is built-in and therefore supported everywhere - and that he'll try to do that in the near future. Didn't see it working, but my guess would be that it has some kind of dark reader mode, or at least that it could be easily modified to get one.

@curiosity2314 Год назад

Yup, just brought back Waterfox. Going to run it in tandem with Firefox on my chip. I forgot about them for a while but it looks like they are doing very well in the space. Ad block is everything in my book and I'm surprised Google has not been able to sway Firefox at this juncture. Keep your fingers crossed..

@bobking7347 Год назад

Firefox is the last frontier of privacy and an open internet, their latest update 109.0.1 has made it far better. When Firefox dies the internet does too, doesn't take a lot of reading to figure out why.

@jamescurtis47 2 года назад

Librewolf and ungoogled chromium also good options.

@wewantthefunk73 2 года назад

I'm using libre wolf now. So far, so good. I want to use it for a full month before I make a decision. I'm coming from brave.

@Pro720HyperMaster720 2 года назад

What’s the difference between Ungoogled Chromium and SRWare Iron

@yoman9446 2 года назад

ungoogled chromium has more vulnerabilities than regular chromium

@valentinidk6101 2 года назад

@@yoman9446 How's that?

@HairEEck 2 года назад

@@valentinidk6101 updates are pushed later in the ungoogled version

@subtitles1492 2 года назад

The days when Mozilla was a revolutionary „fighter for freedom“ are long gone.

@gavinthecrafter Год назад

Honestly for me Firefox is the perfect web browser. It just needs Chrome-style tab groups

@MaxUmbra Год назад

Been jumping between browsers for almost a year and I settled with brave finally I hate the logo but hey its the most secure and private one of all the browsers, it's been great experience for me so far

@lhommedelapampa9730 2 года назад

Frankly it makes me sad to see what Firefox becomes... For me, Mozilla is focusing too much on politics instead of a powerful browser. I still use Firefox (and thinderbird), but I try to use more and more Epiphany

@MadsterV 2 года назад

@Delsur27 Everything is politics if you want it to be. Many of us don't.

@parkerbohnn 2 года назад

Firefart and thunderturd?

@MrGamelover23 2 года назад

Mozilla doesn't even support thunderbird anymore, haven't for years now.

@lhommedelapampa9730 2 года назад

@Delsur27 I don't agree! Websites can be political but not tools. When I buy a screwdriver, I don't necessarily need them to give me a lecture. I want to know how it's produced, but that's it.

@ratatatuff 2 года назад

@@MadsterV No. Everything is politics from the start. The only thing you can do is bury your head in the sand and choose ignorance. But if you do that you shouldn't be angry at people who don't.

@Fabian-Wenzel 2 года назад

You forgot Pale Moon, this browser now also runs on Linux. It's my default browser on Windows, and I'm really happy with it. I love this old user interface. For me a browser has to look like Pale Moon.

@Mario583a 2 года назад

I think Firefox can also look like Pale Moon [ Aris-t2 /CustomCSSforFx ]

@akale2620 2 года назад

I see you are a man of culture as well

@Fabian-Wenzel 2 года назад

@@Mario583a I find this to be very time-consuming, secondly it is very difficult for people who have little idea what is under the hood of a browser. It's very technical for laypeople like me. It would be better for people to be able to make these changes via an EXE file. I don't see any reason to switch back to Firefox, even knowing I can do all the changes manually.

@re4796 2 года назад

@@Mario583a didn't think I'd find you here

@lazarusblackwell6988 2 года назад

My only beef with popular browsers is that they are ALL Chrome based and drain my RAM and crash my system.

@frankstetzer6773 Год назад

I didn’t hear a word about adherence to legitimate standards. Firefox seems to do this. Google and Microsoft like to write their own standards first then adhere to them.

@thiagosannafreiresilva4366 2 года назад

Had a few good laughs at this one, and was half expecting you would end up with the suckless browser or something similar 😁. I've been using Brave since the start of the year but not super happy with the experience. Browser is definitely a segment in need of "disruption".

@WildVoltorb 2 года назад

Surf from suckless just.. sucks

@fuseteam 2 года назад

if only surf actually did suck less lol

@thiagosannafreiresilva4366 2 года назад

Definitely, I meant I thought he would say that as a joke at the end.

@space0015 2 года назад

I was very impressed by brave. I wasn't by firefox except its ui

@Kiobao 2 года назад

I don't mind brave but if it had less bloat, I'd like it more.

@Mikesco3 2 года назад

This is like: I want to pick a wife, but I want her dress and makeup to match the color scheme of my house, I don't want her to know how to do too many things, and I'm concerned about how much will she gossip about me to her family 😂.

@Mikesco3 2 года назад

BTW I stick with brave for now...

@jstan5802 2 года назад

So basically the perfect solution is someone pretty, very good at housework but nothing else and always keep her mouth shut

@jemiebridges3197 2 года назад

Sooo, she's a conservative? Those exist.

@-r-3542 2 года назад

@@Mikesco3 Good choice but without universal bypass i cant use it.

@davidpetersonharvey 2 года назад

If you think a browser is like a wife, you have issues way beyond this video. ;-)

@JoeZyzyx Год назад

Currently use older 32 bit mint linux 18.3, but have second computer I've upgraded to 64 bit mint 20.1, but will probably continue with Firefox ESR and Chromium, at least for awhile longer. When I updated to Firefox ESR a couple years ago, (due to no new 32 bit standard firefox in repository) I suddenly started having firefox browser crash issue on the 32 bit OS computer. Not sure why that problem developed, but even though the 32 bit OS computer has a 64 bit processor, I've been wondering if the later ESR version of Firefox moved solely to a 64 bit only browser, which clashes with the 32 bit linux OS now. I will try Firefox ESR on the upgrade to newer linux 64 bit system and see if the same crash problems happen with it too. If so, I'll also have to switch to a different second browser. I've used firefox browsers since version 3 many years ago, after finally giving up on Netscape 7 way back then.

@aicomylleville2261 2 года назад

How to get your firefox title bar to look like that? (No title bar and buttons are on the left like the rest of your OS)

@gerrygadget 2 года назад

I quit Firefox early this year for multiple reasons. Using Brave now.

@inolvidable. 2 года назад

I can't live without Firefox. So many super useful cool addons that I completely depend on.

@faaiz_ali5490 Год назад

which OS are you using?

@mikehunt7888 Год назад

Just about every adblock app I have used leads to annoying popups on some websites, but with Brave, I have never seen a single pop up asking me to turn off the adblock app.

@greenfoxes5903 2 года назад

Extension availability and support is a major need in my opinion. I would have included it in the rating system. I am keeping my eye on Librewolf as it could end up as the top fork of Firefox one day.

@slicedcube 2 года назад

what about waterfox?

@BluegrassGeek 2 года назад

@@slicedcube Waterfox's issues are covered in the video. Personally I just can't stick with it, especially having been sold off to another company I don't trust.

@ThomasNoname Год назад

Chrome is planning to remove browser extension support, so i guess that will make people migrate to Firefox, hopefully. but I don't have my hopes up, normies after all.

@Jay-wb7hw 2 года назад

3:22 see the thing is u shouldn’t tell people what’s false or what’s “proven”.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

Well, yes. Because facts are a thing :) and they don’t say « remove everything », they say « lower priority »: not censorship

@Jay-wb7hw 2 года назад

@@TheLinuxEXP Yes I agree there are facts. But people operating this are always gonna have a bias that drives them. You simply shouldn’t be allowed to prioritize people and label them on the internet just because they said something wrong. And the only time I’d be willing to accept this is if there is an unaffiliated unbiased non involved party that does this. There are a lot of things or groups in our society(not gonna mention names) today that are perceived to be “normal” or “facts” when in reality they aren’t. Someone running this could just mark a statement “non factual” just because the opposition said something against what is being perceived as “normal” or “accepted” today. Features like this are the gateway to 1984.

@ravibhaskar652 2 года назад

@@TheLinuxEXP you mean censorship but for fewer peoples.

@Unknown-pz4zt Год назад

I like how bing isn't even considered a browser anymore

@chrimony Год назад

@2:42: You couldn't be more wrong about Mitchell Baker's blog post. Not only did it speak positively of the deplatforming that occurred, it asked for MORE things to be done, such as "amplify factual voices" by default. Just because it also asked for transparency doesn't change that it condoned censorship and asked for the scales to be tipped to "authoritative sources" (which are just establishment sources with their own bias).

@sez11a 2 года назад

You forgot Falkon. Webkit based, QT based, fits nicely into your KDE desktop.

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

I think it’s not maintained anymore

@Wazhai 2 года назад

Yup, Falkon hasn't had a new release since March 2019. It's not a viable choice.

@The_Lawnmower_Man 2 года назад

@@Wazhai Update (from later than that comment): Falkon 3.2.0 was released on January 31, 2022.

@Alias_Anybody 2 года назад

Well I mean it also demonstrates why Chrome is winning. It has the best performance over all and for most users, the native Google integration is actually a feature. Nobody can claim that just because they are far ahead in market share Google is cheaping out on the development of the engine.

@AcidiFy574 2 года назад

Until they get full control

@gabriel38g 2 года назад

it's fast if you have the Ram and resources to power it. Those of us with older computers find chrome crashy and buggy.

@Alias_Anybody 2 года назад

@@gabriel38g How old? I have hardware from 2013 with 8GB DDR3 and it runs fast and stable.

@dvanomaly420 2 года назад

@@AcidiFy574 I mean they completely dominate the mobile market, and that doesn't seem to have stopped them from trying to innovate in that space.

@gabriel38g 2 года назад

@@Alias_Anybody My Hardware is a year older, with 4GB but I haven't used chrome browser in six months because it was crashing every day.

@stephenlopiano1599 Год назад

I personally like Firefox, it is especially a good browser for running older Linux operating systems. Instead of using the one out of date through the repositories should you personally choose to keep an older no longer supported version of a Linux distro you have the alternative of the latest version with security updates that runs as a stand alone. I'm not quite sure about every flavor of Linux yet I have personally used the stand alone versions on Debian, Fedora, AV Linux and Mint. I have also used stand alone versions of Firefox, Windows version, through the Linux Wine application.

@casperblackcat1975 2 года назад

I'm using Waterfox browser, It performs very well & it's not bloated down with what you get with regular Firefox, another good thing about It is that you have the option to override website fonts this is important to me having a vision impairment I can make website text bold with my required font, Chrome based browsers do have a customised font section, but It does not give you the option to override website fonts. I've tried numerous chrome extensions & although some of them do work some websites are still displaying their original fonts, so It's Waterfox for me.

@AlexDumitracheCry0it 2 года назад

What about LibreWolf?

@igorthelight 2 года назад

LibreWolf = Waterfox + a little bit more privacy -- AccountSync

@stephanepiquemal8297 2 года назад

Even if it's slower on Linux, I keep using Firefox because none of the Chromium based browser manages to satisfy me (despite being faster)

@CGOLAN 2 года назад

~ 13:50 Chrome installer also had UID in the past, even when Google had the "Don't be evil" motto. Anything has changed in that area?

@HelloKittyFanMan. 10 месяцев назад

"Another alternative"? * AN alternative.

@yoman9446 2 года назад

every month you should just switch to another browser giving us your thoughts after daily driving it and maybe at the end compile a list of things that you really liked and things that you didn't, kinda like what you did with kde and elementary

@themistoclesnelson2163 2 года назад

Thank you for bringing up the issues with Firefox. It used to be a much easier on system resources but now, under certain loads, it uses more resources than Chrome. I have been in the same boat as you Nick. Glad you made this video!

@dhanarputra555 Год назад

This is why I left Firefox, not really faster than Chrome but somehow eating RAM like no tomorrow

@hellelo.5840 Год назад

Linux users should always support Firefox because they keep a healthy competition for Google chrome.

@E85stattElektro 10 месяцев назад

I used Gnome Web for a short time, but it was always crashing and getting ads blocked is also not as seamless as in other browsers

@agostinhomatos321 2 года назад

Because of different functionalities and the way particular web pages behave, I advise to use more than one web browser simultaneously, as long as your ram memory allows it. Personally I use Firefox, Chromium, Vivaldi, Tor browser and Waterfox, being Firefox the browser I use more often.

@BlackBullPistol 2 года назад

my bro is using Tor, nice :-P me too xP

@tobiasfalk7345 2 года назад

LibreWolf is my absolute favourite Firefox-based Non-Chrome browser. It's just perfect.

@RalphInRalphWorld 2 года назад

I don't think it's a long-term solution though. As mainline Firefox development dries up, so will its derivatives.

@clocked0 2 года назад

@@RalphInRalphWorld Isn't that the point of FOSS? That anybody can contribute good, clean code for the benefit of everyone using the software, so that it never truly "dies"? I find the idea of relying purely/solely on an upstream corporation with a profit incentive to maintain free software to be utterly horrifying

@RalphInRalphWorld 2 года назад

@@clocked0 I agree in theory. The issue is that web standards are a moving target, and maintaining browsers requires a lot of dedicated engineers. I am not convinced that a rag-tag team of skilled volunteers can substitute Firefox's resources and keep such a large project up to date. I'd love to be proven wrong. I really do, but I don't think it will happen.

@pranavreddysathi Год назад

What distribution are you running?

@piman2boek364 2 года назад

Another problem with Brave is that in order to use it on Linux Mint you have to type commands into the terminal. This used to work but now you have to use the nightly version to get it to install. Brave needs to fix this.

@StiekemeHenk 2 года назад

So when is the Open-Source/Linux community gonna band together, take the web and build back better? Seems like we could use another engine and a browser that's made by those who really care.

@realtimestatic 2 года назад

I don’t think the Linux community is gonna make a whole new web render engine

@TheLinuxEXP 2 года назад

If only!

@StiekemeHenk 2 года назад

@@realtimestatic think again, if someone has time and passion, stuff happens. Look at how much we've already got done. I'm currently in school and I've already got tons of projects ready for when I find the time. Maybe this will go onto the pile.

@LinuxRenaissance 2 года назад

Does Chromium not owe its life to KDE KHTML? Konqueror.

@StiekemeHenk 2 года назад

@craig baited

@FlorinArjocu 2 года назад

I will also stick to Firefox, I do not have any important issues with it and, for me, Firefox's speed it more than enough.

@stephanhuebner4931 2 года назад

I think the "lack" of speed in Firefox compared to other browers is a hopelessly overblown issue. I bet 99 percent of users wouldn't notice a difference in their daily usage from one browser to the other.

@stifflery 2 года назад

@@stephanhuebner4931 Exactly! Also, the Latest 94 version is dramatically super smooth somehow. I don't think there is any noticeable difference as compared to Chrome. Reason for this is Firefox moved to a newer and better GUI framework - EGL, instead of old OpenGL, for all platforms. It does need a supported graphics for that. Nvidia's latest graphics driver 470.82.00 started to support EGL's 'EGL_NV_robustness_video_memory_purge' extension that is used by Firefox. I am just supper happy with Firefox. Edit: my bad, It's, "...EGL, instead of old GLX..".

@morningstar2219 2 года назад

i love firefox on dekstop, but not when it comes to the laptop, because doesn't have native capabilites for back and next the page using touchpad gestures.