Best Browser Privacy? Edge vs Chrome vs Firefox vs Brave in Wireshark 

True! But partial one is not an illusion ;-)

Why would you need total privacy?

@@vaisakhkm783 Why wouldn't you need total privacy?

@@welovfree achieving total privacy means cutting off all your connection and vanish from surface of the earth... for example: one friend came over to see me and i am soo private that i am looking through keyhole to interact with him/her so they can't see my face... is terrifying and i doubt anyone want that kind of privacy

@@vaisakhkm783 Yeah! and that's exactly why I said "on the internet".

Yes would also love to see this!

Libre

had no clue mullvad had a browser until now

also waterfoxx

@@user-ph2cl7fi8l Waterfox went independent again recently, so not anymore.

That assumes that apple will allow WireShark to run on macOS. I would not put it past them to have it blocked.

@@jacobcarlson4010 I agree it's Linux based but apples os shuts you out from everything

beside MS also ruined Win7 and 8.1 later on with an update that also added telemetry BS backported from Win10.

@kr0tchetII win7 was the last windows i didn't hate. win8 sucked. I got used to 10 then 11 cam out which is an abomination

@@iDeparture yea 8 sucked but 8.1 atleast tries to improve it, despite keeping that good but unfitting start screen, 8.1 was fast and well optimized, beats win7, 10 and 11 when its comes to speed due to optimization for tablet that benefits PC and laptop aswell.

it would be best to make a video on which browser uses less ram space. that would be nice

Forks of firefox

@@Way2go926 OperaGX lets you customize the max ram/cpu it can use. Also avoid using many extensions

@@Way2go926 There are people still complaining about ram in 2023? I thought 16GB was considered the minimum for modern day computing and 32GB is the new standard, while 64GB is considered "ideal". You can buy 16GB of ram for the same price a single meal at family restaurant. Even cheap entry level cellphones are coming out with 8GB of ram, so there is no reason for your big desktop computer to be running the same amount of ram as a cheap plastic cellphone.

Harden Firefox or LibreWolf are about the best you will get for privacy.

that's not the point he's doing it with default settings like most users would run

@@corens1033 what about him disabling shortcuts? that isnt default settings

@@corens1033 if hes gonna do that to lessen telemetry he might aswell do more. this is just for people who want to make firefox more private

VPN after Tor can be useful for connecting through Tor to a VPN server to access services which block Tor exit nodes

It's to mask the first hop from your home to the tor "servers" right?

@@First_Grafter Tor bridges are better suited for this

@@enderagent I'll be honest and say I don't even know what those are 😅 I heard that VPNs were used for the first hop but I totally believe and understand that could be incorrect, or have changed since I heard it

@@First_Grafter Using a VPN for the first hop is not really recommended, because the VPN company is directly connected between you and Tor. They will not be able to see what you are doing, because the Tor protocol will encrypt the traffic. Using a VPN does not really add any extra security or privacy and is mostly pointless

Yup

Unfortunately, disabling too much telemetry with any browser will break websites. It's the website's fault not the browser's. I've broken some websites with Brave by setting the privacy to very strict.

the point is that mozilla is full of shit

@@hotrodjones74 The telemetry disabling is not at fault, it's something else in about:config! Yeah, it's tough fiddling around disabling stuff you don't want, but it's the only solution these days!

@@hotrodjones74 Telemetry isn't the reason for that. Very strict privacy means breaking cross-site cookies, certain components or javascript on sites, etc. as well

Once you've spent a week interpreting all the about:config settings to create your own "privacy browser" you're left with a Brave browser you're pissed off at for making you go through that, while still questioning if it's right. Then they just change the name of things and create new settings for it a week later without definition. So you ask r/Firefox whats going on and you figure out nobody really knows what they mean when they're defending their "hardened Firefox".

>On mac

@@youpeoplearenuts2 ok, now what?

​@@toineenzo can't expect real privacy using a device that runs on Apple software, no matter the browser.

@@Fl0yd What are you talking about? Have you looked at windows? That's muchhhh worse.

@@toineenzo just base Arch Linux for me, thanks! The M$ crap only through VM's when there's no other practical option. Once you're used to plain Linux, no matter if it's Debian or Arch, it's a one way ticket!

EXACTLY!!! Thank you. I was also gonna mention that MOST of his "digs" against Brave are speculative (future) possibilities on "what they are probably going to do" and "I can see, they might, in the future...". Statements that have no place in an "unbiased" comparison of existing, currently available browsers.

@@PeteAndrews I mean, that is unbiased, the fact that they have ads means that they could head down that road, he was never saying they would.

all that does is not save cookies, login data, and browsing history for the next session it still acts the same. "Firefox clears your search and browsing history when you close all private windows. This doesn’t make you anonymous." taken literally from firefoxes "private" mode

Firefox also has DNS over https support for google and cloudflare. But nice to know that Brave also has that

What OS are you running may i ask?

@preternatural9417 uBlock Origin Port Authority CanvasBlocker Font Fingerprint Defender Privacy Settings ClearURLs LocalCDN Cookie AutoDelete I still don't care about cookies Term of Service; Didn't Read Temporary Containers Firefox Multi-Account Containers Google Container Malwarebytes Browser Guard Enhancer for Toutube Return RU-vid Dislike And a couple more, non related to youtube or privacy. Someone might say that user can be fingerprinted based on the extensions they use, I hopes this is not the case. I'm also using RU-vid Premium so no ads are being blocked so to say.

@@obama3024 Windows... I know 😅

Your pc must be using alot of ram

Have you ever tried "tuning" firefox? keyword you used here: "seems"

Chrome < Edge < Firefox

Edge is the best, in terms of speed and ram usage at least, Firefox is the worst

from my experience if you only have one empty tab then Chrome pretty much always wins, one website then it's similar between Chrome and Brave, anymore than 1 then Brave begins stomping I did a test opening 50 tabs of 7 days to die wiki about "Departed woman" zombie, all the browsers had the same 'performance' settings Ram wise: Edge used 4GB and went down to 3.6GB; Chrome used 4GB and went down to 3GB; Brave used 950MB and went down to about 880MB. The browsers inactivating the tabs didn't help much which is surprising considering I've used Chrome extensions that hugely help.... CPU wise (R5 3600): Edge used 70-95%; Chrome was the same as Edge; Brave used 3-10% and didn't lag when opening, closing and swapping between tabs unlike Edge which began lagging at 7 and Chrome at 8 (spam opening with mousewheel click) Brave is noticeably a little slower but hugely better in performance, my main issue is sometimes YT videos begin loading before the website is fully down and will restart the first 0.5s of the video, not that bad but you can notice it when listening to music, usually fixes itself when you close and open Brave Edge keeps background activities on once you open it which can only be turned off via task manager or restarting your pc

@@HaddBradd Woah 😯 thanks buddy..

@@igorthelight Have you tried LibreWolf, Vivaldi, OperaGx, Waterfox, Mulvad, Gnome Web , Min,... any of these?

I live on RU-vid. The ad blocking on there is PERFECT. Both on mobile AND on Windows 10 & 11 on my PC. As well as Linux. YUGE difference from Chrome, Edge, Firefox, etc., etc.

Not that hard to do it yourself

Yeah, if you like fiddling around with about:config to make it usable! Take it like that the first run of Firefox it's all Mozilla Corp, then after hardening it with extensions and removing all the spyware it's like good ol' Firefox! I'm not giving up on Firefox, it's still a lot of work to take out the defaults of Mozilla, but it's a great browser after that!

I've found that almost all browsers are the same in terms of "privacy", given that its up to the user to properly configure it to be as private as possible within the browser. I use Brave, and I totally dislike most of the personalized ads or the offer to win bravepoints or whatever for letting ads in, but at least it is a highly customizable browser.

hardened firefox is objectively the securest but sure pop off linux user.

@@ame72813 show me your "hardened firefox", i'll show you mine. still, Brave wins

With what search engine or did it do this regardless? Also forgot to add tor is very slow and that's not how I wanted to word it

Regardless, unfortunately. Just opening a blank start-up page or a blank page in incognito mode would lead to pings to the ads sites. It's not really surprising, given how deeply entrenched they are in advertising, it's just disappointing. I've removed Brave from all my devices.

Yep, Brave allways leaks DNS location and WebRTC data even when running an VPN. The Brave browser is not at all private but most likely a scam. It leaks your IP address not matter how much you have of an good VPN running. All others did not have that problem.

firefox has a fork called waterfox on windows also tor is also a fork of firefox if you never knew

it is faster

is there with brave i guess

For opera, it is based off of brave, however Brave came from a split when around 50% of Opera ownership was bought out by a chinese company. So brave is basically Opera, but focused on privacy since some of the old head devs from opera before the split, now work on brave.

bingo :)

Opera is chinese now.

@@Fl0yd k?