I made 12 generative MIDI devices for Ableton Live 12 

thanks Phillip, I couldn't figure out how to use the coupon code either. How do we get a hold of you?

@@derikwhite5306 no problem, just reply to the email confirmation from gumroad and i’ll sort it you!

@@derikwhite5306 no problem, you can just reply to the gumroad email and i’ll help you.

We need one that will generate AABC ABAB or ABAC type melody structure. Like a musical Period. There's nothing random about ordered sounds. Most these generators for melodies are random and need some sort of structure to them where the generator offer repetition and introduces order rather than chaos. Nah mean?

Or Could maybe create some kind of Template for melody structure and call it Temple.

Thank you Torley for these kind words!

You’re welcome and thank you!

thanks google

thank you!!

@@p__meyer Hi Phillip, I wanted to share with you a piece I just wrote using your tools here. All of the motifs and melodic material were generated using your generative M4L tools here. I must say your tools are GREAT for generating ideas that one might not otherwise come up with. This is a free form classically oriented jazz piece. I hope you like it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8fOeb423hcs.htmlsi=5rcxJXXLJP28S7fO

🙏 excited to hear what you make!

Much appreciated!

thank you, have fun!

There was a bundle when I checked this morning.

nice! thank you. when i was making these I was kind of blown away at how much of a difference it makes to be able to see the results directly in the MIDI clip. so clear compared to a normal sequencer.

yup! you can do it using max. maybe one day! unless someone beats me to it 😌

thanks! MIDI control is a limitation on the ableton side, so they would need to fix that one. hopefully we get that capability someday

pandora's box right there!

@@p__meyerBrilliant devices btw!

very interesting idea, i would like to ask some follow up questions if that's ok. could you email me or find my on discord?

​@@p__meyeryeah, you got an invite link or somewhere I can find it?

@@Missing_Lynx bit.ly/rhizomic

OH RAAAAAAAAASS ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KmCTTcOVfkY.html amazing idea but i need you to help me understand... philip@inter-modal.com

I've not encountered this issue but if you can email me with steps to reproduce the issue I can try to do so on my end! philip@inter-modal.com

@@p__meyer I sent a short video to your gumroad email address and it bounced back. Is there a better address to send the video?

great idea! if you want to dm me on instagram @p__meyer i’ll send you a little download code as a thank you.

yes. all the devices will confirm to the key set for clip. though my understanding from someone at ableton is the key in live is not global, but rather a clip-level thing that can be overridden using the menus in the top bar.

gotcha, thanks! @@p__meyer

right back at you guys...thanks for making me not have to learn C++!

oh we can't use these in push? u sure? i was about to order one

@@sp00k-sr1oe These are mouse and trackpad only for the moment.

fingers crossed! i know a lot of people have that feedback.

phase pattern, blocks + divs, polyrhythm, and pattern transform would all be good. for typical bass lines you’d probably enable quantization in the devices that have it. these are all included in the microtime bundle: philipmeyer.gumroad.com/l/microtime-bundle

I would like to use the discount code as well…how?

also didn't see a place to enter it

Thank you for reporting this issue! It has now been fixed. A random checkbox deep in gumroad settings needed to be clicked.

Cash is on the way! Super excited about this creation Philip!

@@p__meyer thanks for the refund, very kind of you!

thank you! glad you like them. the duplication can happen if you have a copy of them in two places in your live user library

thanks! i can make that change to allow the range to be wider for blocks. i’ll also update the info view - thanks for the heads up. i’ll ping here when the changes are made and on gumroad

@@p__meyer how cool. Thanks so much!

Ok, this has been updated. If you go to your Gumroad library, you should be able to download the latest version. Thanks for the suggestion!

​@@p__meyer awesome. just tried it out and it works great. thanks so much!

No, Ableton doesn’t allow parameters of MIDI Tools to be mappable. This is has been a very common desire though so maybe they’ll find a solution?

great ideas, thank you!

I mean i found how i can see them all but in the mail i see only 8.

Hi there, please reply to the receipt email you got from Gumroad and I'll help you sort this out. Thank you!

Hello, thank you for making me aware of NVDA! I have not tested them, but I plan to soon.

@@p__meyer thanks, I'm happy to help, if you'd like.

hi there, please follow the instructions in this document and let me know if that does not solve the problem: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/n9puezjz7vhp1rvo5ljmj/Instructions.pdf?rlkey=m4anyafjo3yx1266513r9nwby&dl=0 They should appear as long as the devices are in the MIDI Tools folder of your Ableton User Libary

@@p__meyer yep. Purchased your bundle right after leaving my comment and saw the instructions included in the manual. Thanks so much! Super kool devices! 💪🏻

@@mikegonsolin1ok great! have fun

@torley Thanks for the super clear report! So this is happening because the device does some fancy stuff to limit the range of the Notes number box when quantization is enabled. When you're quantized, you can't have more notes than there are intervals in the grid. The problem is, Ableton doesn't have a solution for how to check the grid resolution other than to trigger the entire generation process. When the Generate button is off, the generation process isn't triggered, so we don't check the grid and quantization settings, and so the number box's value sometimes gets clamped when it shouldn't (and also sometimes doesn't get clamped when it should). I'm hoping that Ableton makes an update in the future that allows Generators and Transformers to query the MIDI clip notes and dictionary for the sole purpose of updating the appearance of the UI. In the meantime, I have an idea for a quick fix that I'll mark down for when I fix the rest of the bugs that people will inevitably find in this rather large pack of devices! Thanks again for the report.

@@p__meyer I appreciate such a nuanced explanation that some of this is really on Ableton to solve! You reminded me, I'd also like Ableton to add PRESETS to the Generators & Transformers, so it's easy to switch between different parameter sets - I formally requested that.

@torley no problem! yeah I agree, presets would be very nice

Unfortunately not, I wish! Midi tools in live aren’t mappable

bummer. lets hope they update this at some point @@p__meyer

@@p__meyer well, lets hope they add that at some point! A playable Turing machine in the box....

if what you’re describing is what i think you are, then yes i’m already working on it

not today. automation and modulation are not supported for any live midi tools. you’re not the first to ask, though!

@@p__meyer ugh, that’s unfortunate. Thanks for the reply tho!

no, midi tools are computer only

you can trigger the clips it creates but you have to use the device (as with all the generators and transformers in live) on a computer

there is but you need the suite with max 4 live bro,in the max for live essentials pack its there officially from ableton.

not without hacking the device -it's an ableton limitation

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If anyone else has this issue even with the correct directories setup, I had to open Preferences, Library, User Library, then re-save the already correct User Library directory into Ableton again. Then it forced a rescan and they started showing up.

Thanks for posting the fix! I will add this to my docs.

make sure your library is set correctly in Live settings

@@p__meyer got the same issue what is the correct setting of the library??

to see all tools, i see now only 4 of them!

just found out! everything showing up 🙂

in your email just click the "read whole email button" or whatever. you can also log into your gumroad account and download them from your library

@@p__meyer Cool will try right now. Did not even think of that, sorry!!!!

@@p__meyer Thanks for you were correct, I apologize!!!

@@chillhouse6968no problem!