I can immediately explain those NPCs at the beginning. When a server has just started up the NPCs start in these grid formations. Once their AI loads in they all disperse and begin their normal AI tasks
can confirm, i fly with dual virpils, a throttle and pedals, and the fidelity of control that peripherals give you over mouse and keyboard, combined with head and eye tracking, you feel like a member of rogue squadron
When you're decoupled, you can turn the ship in any direction whilst still flying in the same direction. For example, you can maintain the same heading and speed while turning the nose backwards and firing at enemy ships. Use judiciously because you will easily crash into non-moving objects or other ships since you aren't looking in the same direction that you're going.
You don't need decoupled for this, just apply thrust in the direction you want to go, such as reverse while coupled. People are confusing 6dof and decoupled.
@@heterosapien69 Everything is a feature in star citizen from the non existant elevators that send you to an early grave, to NPCs lining up like they're about to be sent to war we have fun regardless
That NPC standing around is creepy AF, and when you come out of a hab and find people apparently hanging from the ceiling ... this should be a horror game.
@@Glathgrundel The jump scares I've had, opening doors. I just always assume there may be a surprise couple of NPCs behind any door in a large landing zone... or player haha.
Just don't like how Ollie is acting like he's a Star Citizen content creator... he's just a tourist and hopped in for a time, after a month or so he'll leave for year until the next big content drop for the new star system coming next year (Pyro). He's not a Star Citizen creator, actual SC creators have been doing SC content long before more mainstream, "normie" people took hold of it like JackFrags and LevelCap. They have been doing it for much longer, and will continue to make SC content even when it's not "in with the times"
Hey Olli, if you really want to see what it feels like to put those 2 sticks through the paces with 6 degrees of freedom movement, try out the Khartu-Al. With Alien week coming soon, it's just the right time to try out the little Xi'an scout.
I fly with dual sticks. The adjustment going from kb and mouse to a HOSAS setup took a bit to get used to but now it feels natural and easier than kb and mouse. Plus the added precision is so nice
Dual stick and pedals here, could never go back to anything else. I do feel bad for Ollie tho, he has a racing config which will be cool for smooth flying and will prob get by doing AI bounties, but no chance to be winning pvp that way, especially knife fights against pvpers with good evasive movement that will counter move to Ollies 45 degree pitching attempts during rate fights
What I like to do is setting left stick main trigger to disable coupled while holding, so i can fly insane maneuvers if needed but go back to assisted in a heartbeat.
@@bradenwoods1111 ah a 2 stage trigger? How do you find that when it comes to mixed loadout? I'm guessing you need to bind ballistics to the second stage of the trigger so you can fire that once you have gotten their shields down with the energy weapons
I've been playing for a year now with KBM only, but recently have been unable to get out of the house due to tearing support muscles in both of my knees. Due to this Star Citizen has become my place to explore and run around until whenever my knees heal (though they are just icing on the cake at this point). I have been trying to find the right setup and was looking into the VKBs you have yourself, your review comes at an interesting time. Thank you for taking the time to review them and give instant direct feedback as it helped me finalize my dream setup. So far I settled on knowing I want a Tobii eye tracker but missed the sale, VKB Gladiators dual w/omni throttles and maybe a control panel like you were using. I would love to hop on the HQ and do some podless-podracing. Recently started flying the 400i as a main because the MSR decided it likes to CHUG hydrogen and costs too much to take out of the hangar. Would love to see some multi-crew content, especially while your learning the sticks de-coupled.
Those sticks you got there are insane and top notch! I've bought the t16000 dual sticks just a week ago (as a entry-level kit, it was a advise of one of your channel members) because i just got into the game and dual sticks are insane, so much freedom in movement. The t16000's have been on the market for some time now but for just a bit over €100 it's absolutely worth at entry-level.
You can use a controller. Personally I use Joystick, Throttle, and Pedals. Pedals are for Up/Down and for Left/Right Strafing Throttle is for Forward/Backward Strafing Joystick is for Nose Up/Down/Left/Right and for Rolling Left/Right.
The most important thing I haven't really seen you cover much is the importance of playing with a good group. Doing group activities is fun and adds variety which is great for avoiding people getting burnt out. You can also ask people basically anything and people tend to know the answers. Btw in the org I am apart of Odyssey Interstellar we have helped organise and bring ships for creators before. We'd be more than happy to help you out.
I'm not sure how it would affect the control, but if the chase cam was a bit more loosely connected to the ship I think it would look a bit better. So that you could see slight movements in the ship before the camera would start moving. There's something about the vehicle being 1:1 100% connected to the chase cam that feels a bit fake to me. (not that a chase cam is the height of realism)
It would be so cool if they incorporated a Cyberpunk type environment in the cities. They you would be able to take bounties both in sky or ground. Bounties could also run so you could chase on ground or in a ship. Also, you could do detective work to lead you to other planets from doing ground work!
The detective work element is already there for the tracker missions, where y ou have to go the last known positions of wanted individuals and then use scanning to track down their position. For more advanced tracker missions you have to use more advance tactics, but the groundwor (or rather, infrastructure) is certainly there to do what you suggested. With 3.17.2 and the new AI navmesh, I wonder if in future updates they will have chase missions like you suggested where you have to hunt down fleeing AI?
Before you earn muscle memory get the pedals (for full throttle control) to allow you to set to a more efficient joystick bindings. Did the initial mistake and then took me a few months to relearn all over again,
I'm sure lots of people will disagree, but I consider decoupled purely for bragging rights. "It's hard, so then it must be better.". AvengerOne, perhaps the best combat pilot in SC flies coupled for good reason. That 'floaty' element you described is entirely correct. You constantly oversteer and understeer, effectively making your turns sloppy and slower. Also, in space, without input, you will fly in a dead straight line, making you super easy to hit! The one true advantage is that you have more freedom to (somewhat) decouple where you fly from where you shoot
I also believe that constantly having to counter every movement just puts more wear and tear on your controls. And since longevity of controls is a much discussed topic... Though I do find decoupled being very useful at times. Flip and burn, is just one fun way
I'm a near-religious user of your keybind maps. Thank you for your continued amazing work on controllers, it makes gameplay easier to get into without becoming mired in tinkering with peripherals.
Olli I want to fly with you someday! You're nuts I love it. I use M/K. I'd love a pair of sticks, but even one is out of my price range right now. American medical bills, even with insurance, are debilitating financially.
Sometimes I think about making SC content, then I'm like... why? We already have Olli43! What could i possibly add? Lol I just got my thrustmasters a few days ago, I was giggling the same way about the immersive feeling haha. Love your videos man. I've been following SC for years and your the only person I've ever subbed to for it. I appreciate you being a genuine human just trying to have some fun :).
In the first page of the settings, you can set it so the directional marker always stays visible even if its in the center. You also have a marker at your opposite way of direction that you can use to stop in a perfectly straight line if you align to it.
Being able to fly like that would be cool to have in a support mission. Like there's a team going up a skyscraper and you could track them floor to floor from the outside and provide fire support as they go up.
You can actually do that in the Orision assault mission (whenever that becomes available?) As you could have a teammate head to the spaceport and fly to the platforms to provide air support while you make your way through the terrorists.
the first time i saw the npcs standing around like that it reminded me of Westworld when the narrative guy was looking at all the new bots for his story
Oddly that comparison is not to far off. These are 3D bots is the only difference. Now I won't be able to unsee that. Part of me wants to hate you now, but since you referenced WW, I can't.
Olli, the 300 series have a silly thing that you can't enter the pilot seat until the door closes. A little frustrating, but a cool bunch of ships. Also, they fly VERY badly in atmos.
@@CarBENbased They're really good at height and at speed (like a real plane), but for VTOL manuevers they're an absolute pain in atmosphere. They're too light and flighty, and so landing becomes a real chore, especially in really, really bad weather.
I use mouse and keyboard for most things in SC, but just recently I got a Rockfire Gameport to USB adapter for an old Cyborg 2000 I got from a thrift store. I only really use it when im in a turret, but it makes aiming a lot easier for me. I'd like to eventually get a more modern joystick, perhaps with a throttle as well to get full flight going. But I have to first focus on my PC components because I'm running the bare minimum specs.
If you set the speed limiter to be on by default (in the options), you can set max speed up or down with one of your hats. I use the tall hat near the red thumb button. I use hat L-R to increase/decrease max thrust (good for gently landing big ships when centered over the pad), and U-D to increase/decrease max speed. When you lower max speed, your throttle is waaay more gentle for tight maneuvers in a confined space. These two practices allow me to make buttery landings on any size ship, and I even get fancy with spin landings because of the low speed control.
Ah, I use the sliders for thrust, and -- like you mentioned -- the left joystick for gently giving enough thrust to make the landing and the right joystick for articulating the nose for a proper landing.
Timely video! My VKB premium sticks with omni throttle for the left are arriving this week! No side module though. My Tobii eye tracker 5 just arrived.
As a guy who's been running sticks for quite a bit, its odd, but switch your yaw and roll axis. Put your roll on the twist because in space, you need more precision on pointing your nose than you do rolling. You'll find doing ship to ship combat so much easier and less tiring on your wrists if you aren't constantly twisting to bring the nose on target.
This is a common difference among players. I also use twist for yaw. It comes from the habit of playing modern aircraft sims that do not have twist sticks in modern aircraft. And yaw axis in modern craft are not near as responsive as a space sim craft. While your suggestion makes sense, it becomes very difficult when switching games. And there are many who believe and are trained to roll and pitch on target is better. I always tells folks go with what is comfortable to you.
Got that setup myself, a right handed Constellation Alpha and a slightly older CM2 throttle. You'll love the little joystick on the throttle - happy flying!
main use i have for decoupled is pulling off some wholly unnecessarily fancy landings where you spin or flip into place using your momentum to take you in. Until aero surfaces are actually simulated though i find its more of a pain than actually useful in atmosphere though
I'm tempted to get a joystick setup, but I'm not sure if I want dual joysticks or a joystick + thruster, or whatever it's called. The Terrapin actually visually uses a Joystick/thruster combo, so if I wanted full immersion of what it's like to pilot that flying turtle then I'd go for that (plus I have flight simulator but hate the keyboard/mouse experience with that), and it's the one and only ship I have pledged so, maybe! That said almost everyone says dual joysticks is the way to go for best control, and I like flying my Talon and Shrike, can just imagine how amazing it would feel to blitz and turn with that setup in that ship. You should try it, the maneuverability might feel pretty great with those joysticks. I wouldn't know of course.
I see you use the right stick twist for Yaw and nose (forward/backward) for Pitch, but it looks like you couldn't add "Roll" (left/right)? On my right stick (T16KM) I have the same setup, but on my left stick (T16KM) I have the strafe forward/backward (thrust), strafe left/right and twist for strafe up/down. Unfortunately my ATF request button (bind) works intermittently so I have to use my COMM Override (F11). ;-) Like I indicated, I use duel Thrustmaster T16000Ms for flight (right stick for turret, Rover, Cyclone, etc...), mouse and keyboard for on foot and EVA. The biggest problem with flying "decoupled" is slipping (role, pitch up, etc..., but the craft continues in original direction until thrust compensates), dangerous especially when coming in for a landing, versus touching down.
Those are the sticks that I bought as well. Also that program that guy made has been around for years mostly in the late dangerous but it's a little bit of a pain to set up correctly
grab some pedals, i have racing pedals (fanatech) and just have them set as forward and back. quite easy. that means my left joystick can be strafe left right/up down. and the right is pretty much pointing the ship. the only extra thing i would like is a 3rd pedal so i can assign one to space brake. at moment this is a button on left joystick
currently using the Xbox One HOTAS from Thrustmaster - the throttle control has a rocker switch and 2 button on the back that I use to control left/right strafe, and up/down movement. Decoupled and boost are on the thumb control - very easy to use, nice and responsive (so far)
Ahh, a fan of the 300 series 🖤 I have one of each haha. Two are 10 year insurance pledges. Such fun, & horrendously underated ships. Excellent content as always Ollie! Stay spicy! 🖤
I am planning on getting the same setup you used here, won't be soon though since it's a bit pricey. I just don't want to use the t16000 set from TM because I hear it breaks A LOT! So better to save up for a setup that actually has good reviews I guess.
Can confirm the T16k break a lot. Mine lasted about 18 months of light to moderate use before one of the twist axis went bad, then maybe 3 months later the other twist axis died. one stick also developed a slight drift on one of the axis (able to calibrate it out, but still happens with even light pressure applied). They're good as an entry level "i don't know if i'll like using sticks" purchase, but not for anyone who really gets into flight/space sims long term Currently have the evo's on order (sadly in EU they're having shipping issues, not VKB fault) so hopefully they last a bit longer. Especially for double the price!
Since you were asking… I‘m playing since Feb 2019 and I learned the game on keyboard and mouse. About a year ago I picked up a pair of sticks, I think they‘re called thrustmaster T16000M or sth. Problem being that I never really figured out how to calibrate things and I gave up. So yeah, I wish I could use them and this video makes me kinda sad lol
I have a VKB omni throttle left stick hopefully turning up next week, I will use that with a mouse for a while, then get pedals, the right stick and you’ve just made me want to get the control module as well 😂
I use dual VKB Gladiator EVO joysticks, but I use both upright sticks, I don't think the omni-throttle layout is beneficial for this game. I recommend using the #10 springs (10lbs springs) and slightly tighten the dry clutch. 👍
Nice, very nice. For now I only use mouse and keyboard… and this się enought for daily portion of fun after work. OFC I looking for some setup, but probably ended with X56. Most of us thinking now „dont do it” or worse, but hear me out: do really we need best of the best? For regular player I think if simpler that better. Naturally I know that HOSAS will be better than HOTAS, but 6dof can be tricky without training… Ask yourself: how much do You play? 6-8h each day, or only 1-2 ocassionally?
Hmm, that's a really good idea. I do like the fine thrust for forward/reverse only because landing is still something that can get wonky with even the slightest of twitches.
Maybe look up what decoupled really means before trying to explain it to people 😃 When you are in coupled mode the ship thrusters always try to line up the direction you are going at with the direction you are looking at. This is the way we are used to fly on earth essentialy. Nose up -> you go up, nose down -> you go down. In Space on the other hand there is no drag so you roll, pich and yaw into every direction while still moving in a straight line. Thats what you can see in actual videos from space where a capsule is carefully alining itself with the docking port of a space station while both are going 10000mph into another direcrion. Flying in coupled mode while you are in space is emulating the behaviour of a plane in armosphere. This makes the controls a little bit easier but it makes you way less agile. When fliying decoupled in a dog fight you can turn around and shoot at the enemy who is following you while you are still moving away from him. There is also one indicator on the hud that is pointing into the direction you are currently going and one indicator for the direction you are looking at (center of your screen). In coupled mode these two are in the same spot most of the time but in decoupled they are independent from each other. This also means that you can run into an astroid or a space station while looking into a direction that looks like it is free from obsticals. In atmosphere the aerodynamic ships are really good at coupled flight but the decoupled mode cant be used to its full potential because the drag of the atmosphere is pusging you back into the position with the least drag. But to be fair, the star citizen thruster are super overpowered so the drag is not a big issue when it comes to decoupled flight in atmosphere.
I would love to know what all the different control panels, bases, and such are. If you could give links for where you go them, that would be appreciated. I really like that way you have the left stick at a 45 degree angle too. I honestly want to get in to Star Citizen because of the fact that you can use sticks like your setup.
I use a Saitek X55 Rhino. I use a hat switch on the throttle to control strafing left right up down. Forwards and backwards via the throttle of course.
I don’t even get to play 👍. my internet provider isn’t the best, and the servers are really far away. I love watching your videos, but it makes me kinda sad knowing I can’t play this. 😢
I played way back when arena commander was released, basically if you couldnt fly decoupled you couldnt win pvp, I had to remap my whole keyboard to be in line with the older space games I used to play to get it to work. One of the reasons I stopped playing until now was because each big update wiped my keyboard config and It got real tedious spending an hour remapping it lol
Once you do all the mappings, you can save it into an xml file and back that up somewhere. Then you can import your bindings back in the game if they get wiped. This process has some exceptions though.
I tried the logitech X56 but it was a bit bulky for my liking. I went with the X52 and it works perfectly. Desks mounts make it feel more comfortable to adjust height.
I only fly decoupled, its so much more imersive. flying thru the Canyons of Daymar or under the rails of New babbage brings me the most fun in SC at the moment. fly also dual sticks. want to try out the new racetrack on Clio so badly 🥳.. like your content by the way, like so many others. Thank you 👍
yO Olli Fantastic first impression video i must say i felt the same as you did when i tryed the duel Stick combo but i went for Thrustmasters and i can say thy got the job done for 120$
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If you are planning to do any dogfighting in the furute I would highly recommend you to swap those controls around a bit. Your most used axis are better stay of from the twist because the lack of movement range and in turn precision. Also to further improve aiming its recommended to separate the roll from the pitch-yaw joystick. I have the same vkb nxt joysticks by the way. Without the 45 degree conversion on the left one. Here's my recommendation: Left joystick: FW/BW = strafe forward/back Left/Right = strafe left/right Twist = Roll left/right Right joystick: FW/BW = Pitch Left/Right = Yaw Twist = Strafe Up/Down
This is a common difference among players. I also use twist for yaw. It comes from the habit of playing modern aircraft sims that do not have twist sticks in modern aircraft. And yaw axis in modern craft are not near as responsive as a space sim craft. While your suggestion makes sense, it becomes very difficult when switching games. And there are many who believe and are trained to roll and pitch on target is better. I always tells folks go with what is comfortable to you.
Are you able to share your key binding setup for your joysticks? Would be interested to know as it seems your setup is really good that ive seen so far.
I've not bought the game yet but my plan is to buy a HOTAS, but one that has enough analogue stick controls for the 6 degrees of movement instead of the dual sticks. I think that would be best because I also play flight sim so I'd need a setup that can operate like normal plane controls too. I'm thinking the Logitech X56 Rhino but some people are not convinced with the quality of them. I'm not sure which other HOTAS have all the required axes for Space sims though.
I could send a picture of my set up... Im using 2X VKB Gunfighter SCG mk.III on 2x UCM s tronghold on my table. Tobii 5 for tracking, Ipad with gameglass for flight controls on abovetek stand, iphone for emojis with gameglass or erkul for reference on abovetek stand and i round it off with voice attack. 4k max settings- all immersion😀
Odd coincidence, but I just ordered a set of gladiator EVO's (same sticks) to replace my very much dying TM T16000's. Sod's law, i ordered them just as they ran out and they're having shipping problems 😞 Be curious on your thoughts on the usefulness of that extra left button module, as well as the angle adapter on the left stick, as i wasn't sure if i should bother getting them
I went from mouse and KB to HOSAS and it is amazingly much more fun flying. Does take awhile to get use to it and still figuring out my button mapping but it's great. I went the cheaper route and bought 1x Logitech Extreme 3d Pro and 1x Thrustmaster 16000M. I was originally going to get 2 of the same stick. But did 1 and 1 to see which I liked better and figured out that I liked having the Logitech as the left hand cause of the button layout and the Thrustmaster for the righthand. So my setup cost about $100 (36 +60)
Using De-Coupled mode in atmo is not like in "space". De-coupled mode in atmo should work more of the main engine, not the thrusters. But in space you can really dance around! I use full HOTAS (Stick, Throttle and pedals). Cause of how my Throttle is setup I get a "semi" HOSAS (Dual flightsticks). Position 0 is the middle of my Throttle so forward is forward and backwards is backwards from that middle position. My pedals is strafe left & right. Then on my Throttle I got up & down. So it's all in muscle memory now!
