I Make a Lead & Oakum Joint

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This is an old-school plumbing technique that was used before PVC pipes and push-to-connect fittings were invented, it's a lead & oakum joint. Have you ever learned how to make a lead and oakum joint? I got a message from a plumber saying his company doesn't allow soldering on the job and that blew my mind! You may never need to make a lead and oakum joint but it is nice to remember where our trade came from and how everything was put together.
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@Robmancan1987 Год назад

When you crawl about 30 ft under an old house with a couple feet of clearance and you can see that someone took pride in their work doing it the hard old fashion way. It gives me chills and motivation to not slack off.

@arthurn9237 Год назад

NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TODAY KNO WHAT REAL WORK TRULEY IS OR INVOLVES

@pjplumber2146 Год назад

They did it before the house was built and built the the house around it. No crawling 30’.

@KingSobieski Год назад

@@pjplumber2146 ya dude just cut a hole through the floor.

@ernestconley5327 11 месяцев назад

I am one of the old plumbers who made lead joints before pvc. The work was hard and heavy. I had the privalge of working with the old timers who had done it all. People u to tell me how big my arms were for a short man. Plumbing is a great trade in it self but plastic made it easier and u didnt breath the lead when we poured joints

@JTTTTx 6 месяцев назад

New England Plumber here- you know you are getting old when your skills are a novelty on RU-vid. I thought I was the last guy with a ceiling iron. 😀😀Great job Roger.

@jamesjablonski3167 Год назад

I am a retired plumber. I remember that process. Real tedious. Plumbers today have it alot easier.

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Very tedious! 💪🏻

@jonp.6131 Год назад

I could see this process being more forgiving than PVC/Chem welding though. If the clocking is off or something doesn't line up, heat the joint and make the adjustment? I've never done a lead/oakum joint though, so I have no idea; messed up a few PVC joints though

@rhetthathaway1593 2 месяца назад

I can’t imagine piping in an entire house in cast like this. How long would this have taken a plumber?

@jenneramby Год назад

Just starting "plumbing" a few years ago in a shower remodeling business. It is humbling and fascinating to see what the masters of old had to do each and every day as they built America. Thank you for doing this Roger. And thank God for PVC!

@totkau9174 Год назад

We still use that method some times.. Probably a lot more common than you would think. Mainly on toilet flanges..

@mx-lj4qq Год назад

I'm a plumber is Los Angeles I sincerely appreciate you sharing your experiences and knowledge, I have a far greater appreciation for the art of plumbing watching videos like this, respect to all the ones that come before us.

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Plumbers protect the health of the nation everyday 💪🏻 and everyday that came before

@gobulls372 Год назад

Here in Chicago we still use cast iron all the time. It's all that's allowed in commercial plumbing. I work 99% of the time in high rises and that's all we use is cast iron. For under ground we use push gaskets and everything else is lead and oakum. That one iron you said was an offset iron that was set to 1" is actually a ceiling iron. It's used when you have a hub tight to the ceiling and can't get in there with regular irons

@joshdiehl8737 Год назад

Why the hell doesn't the city of Chicago allow PVC? I live in NJ and my dad was a union plumber retired about 10 years now. They started allowing PVC in commercial buildings in like the 90s here. Crazy Chicago still doesn't

@gobulls372 Год назад

They say for fire rating and that cast is less noisy than pvc but I think that our union is the biggest reason. Pvc is much easier to do than cast and using pvc would take a lot less work.

@alexstoles1339 Год назад

@@gobulls372 i agree its the union. They say its to keep the trade alive

@ObservationofLimits Год назад

@@alexstoles1339 unions are garbage

@alexstoles1339 Год назад

@@ObservationofLimits yea unless u are a brother or cousin of a big wig in the union all they do is take ur money. Or if u know how to work ur knee pads very well for them 🤣

@mr.dahliaking.202 Год назад

in USSR we had these same style bell and fitting cats iron pipes, but we never used lead we used tar soaked very sticky and malleable oakum, we would smash that in as deep as possible then pour molten tar into the fitting and that would be it. Sometimes the tar was in short supply so in order to finish the job plumbers would use cement powder and would make a very thick paste from pure cement, as it would cure to be very hard, and it would be mixed with oakum and stuffed into the hub and would cure on the next day. You can still find pipes in old soviet apartment blocks with cast iron pipes joint with cement and they still go strong, very little leaks. Its the tar that was leaking. it was much faster, much cheaper and much less labor intensive.... and yes, that is the reason why now all soviet pipes laid in 70s and 80s are now leaking everywhere they were installed because tar is not a long term solution as it gets brittle, and as the pipe moves from seasons or cold/hot water it crackles the tar and starts to leak after some years.

@joshdiehl8737 Год назад

Suprised they didn't use lead. Lead is super cheap in the USA

@bradwilson6601 Год назад

Last time I saw this was on a commercial high rise in Miami in 1981. Job was union, I was a carpenter's helper on the formwork crew. The plumbers were great, taught me a bunch, they really wanted to help the young guys. Thanks for the video!

@BOUTtoPOPtrunk Год назад

I’m an apprentice from Milwaukee. I worked with a couple old plumbers from Chicago years back and they would tell me about pouring let joints in the high rises downtown. I was always jealous that they still did them as it’s a part of plumbing history. Shout out to Jeff, Dave, Jake and Marty

@nebmilo5024 Год назад

Love it! I have not poured a lead joint in 20 years. Thanks for the video, and remember, if it wasn't for plumbers, people would have no place to go.. LOL

@billarroo1 Год назад

I'm 75 years old welder, I've never seen this done, I love it !! THANKS

@jaromrobinson2339 Год назад

That is incredible. I have worked with PVC to cast iron transitions for years and have always wondered how these oakum and lead joints were made. It's nice to see knowledge like this being passed on instead of lost.

@leonidasking7502 Год назад

Plumber from the UK. Lots of old houses over here. Cast iron pipes everywhere, regularly come across lead waste pipes and occasionally come across lead water mains. Surprisingly non of this old-school stuff was taught to me in collage, had to learn it all on the job or from RU-vid vids like this one. Thanks Roger 👍

@MrSTUPIDBRICK Год назад

Old school soldering of lead like this break's building regs in the UK. Can only use leadlok fittings to join existing lead pipework to new. Or preferably remove the lead completely.

@shaunmoreland6841 Год назад

Thank you Roger that gave me a better understanding of the times when my Father would make such connections when I was just getting to the trade. he passed in 2007 and I wish I had more time to learn those skills before he died

@braydensleath9016 Год назад

Great lesson with this one, Roger!! I really enjoy learning about the history of the trade. You're not only a highly skilled plumber, but a great educator as well. Love the videos, my man 🤘

@RogerWakefield Год назад

I appreciate that, I had a lot of fun doing this

@donaldlamb686 Год назад

This video brings back a lot of memory. I started out this way. Love your videos.

@RogerWakefield Год назад

How did you like it?

@donaldlamb686 Год назад

@@RogerWakefield I always enjoyed the lead and oakum joints, that was when plumbers were plumbers. I had one young plumber tell one day, if he had started back then, he would not have made it.

@justin4n6 Год назад

I happened to be in the right place at the right time and got to see how oakum is made at the factory.

@pack899 Год назад

Great video. Done a fair amount of commercial renovations, and I always respected the work that the older plumbers did before me. Plumbers back then were really amazing skilled hands. I myself have never needed to do this on a actual job, but it is a skill that must be taught, to have in your back pocket if ever needed.

@chetorthner8561 Год назад

Great video Roger. This video gave me even more respect than i already had for the old school plumbers.

@zacharyrosson2646 Год назад

I appreciate the fact you showing this! I have been plumbing for nearly 7 years now commercial construction, commercial service, residential construction, and residential service. I am very thankful for newer material and connections.

@revjohnlee Год назад

For some reason, I have found plumbing to be interesting since I was a kid making contraptions of pipe in the 60s and early 70s. I am also the weird guy who like to learn to do things "the old way". I took this to an extreme and still shave with a straight razor. I've read about and understood the principle of the lead and oakum joint but this was the first time I have ever actually seen one.THANKS!!

@woodcrafter7361 Год назад

I value this information. My grandfather who was a plumber in Chicago showed me how to do this 20 years ago, good to remember

@dillonjettmaxey Год назад

Torn a lot of cast iron on remodels, new plumber of 6 years, but never once seen or had it explained how it’s done. I guess because no one knows. I Love your channel very much and I use what you teach everyday. This video was definitely necessary!

@azmrblack Год назад

Alot of Lead & Oakum is still used in cast iron of New York & other East Coast old cities. A skill definitely still needed.

@mattnewland8963 Год назад

I remember my Uncle doing this in the basement on a drain repair. It was probably the late 1980s. He became a plumber in the 1950s so he was very familiar with this obviously. I always thought it was a really cool technique.

@ericwotton2046 Год назад

I always wondered how the horizontal joint were done. Learn something every day!

@AKITM Год назад

That seems like a lot of very hard work compared to running PVC. I hope old school plumbers were paid well.

@gary00832 Год назад

You know they weren’t

@AKITM Год назад

@@gary00832 I know I'm not.

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Unfortunately they were not, this took skill

@andrewfletcher2213 Год назад

It’s a neat way to create a joint. Been plumbing myself for about 10years in Canada and have come across this a few times. It’s nice to see the history of plumbing and when you can make connections from the classroom theory to real life and have a “oh so that’s what that looks like” moment. But naturally advances in plumbing make that style of connection obsolete with CISP and MJ’s/Furncos Heck even CISP is somewhat obsolete in particular situations in comparison to plastics now days.

@jonnycakes123 Год назад

They were yoked out of their minds though

@colinlinfield4068 Год назад

Nice to see traditional drainage from back in the day when plumbers where real tradesmen. I had to drive from Sussex in England to London to show a young plumber how to do a lead caulked joint on a 8' interceptor

@ejfd66 Год назад

Great good old times of plumbing and it's still useful for retrofits.

@ryankolbe365 Год назад

These videos are extremely watchable and sharable. This occupies the same space where people with combat experience in the military put out videos explaining and articulating doctrine and how systems are employed; where you are doing the same thing for people in construction and service. Thank you

@johnstutt9925 Год назад

Thank you Roger for sharing this with us. Been plumbing for just over 30 yrs and have never done a lead and oakum joint.

@loganoakley5267 Год назад

You forgot to mention the maximum your lead is allowed to be underneath the lip. In NC, you have to have a 1 inch pour and it cannot be more than 1/8th inch below the top of the collar. We mostly use bands, but government work sometimes requires lead and oakum.

@derrekb543 Год назад

Just what I need a reason to buy even more tools🎉😂I'm learning a lot of plumbing now and I've seen some oakum joints and it's nice to know what's going on with them. Preciate the knowledge!

@Dsdcain Год назад

I really like the sign in the background. "Education is important, plumbing is importanter." Couldn't help but get a chuckle out of that.

@Wreaktifier Год назад

Solid knowledge, solid joint. Grandfather described these to me years ago. Thank you for sharing .

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@vincentmckinney5964 Год назад

Man that’s badass I’ve been wanting to know how that was done from day one going on about 9 years of plumbing and man that’s cool

@wookie2222 Год назад

I love your attitude! A part of my family emmigrated to Texas 4-5 generations ago and that part of my family here in europe still has that attitude of using a bigger torch just because you can.

@djayt2648 Год назад

Perfect video !!! Explained exactly how you should teach an upcoming plumber !! You don’t understand how many people your helping 👌👌

@RogerWakefield Год назад

I appreciate that

@TheSignatureK Год назад

Yay video! 🎉 Edit: This was ultra fascinating to watch, I have a new appreciation for the history of plumbing. Here’s hoping that soldering isn’t going away anytime soon.

@jayztoob Год назад

This brought back memories. Dad and I pouring lead in the CI plumbing, and dipping the electrical joints. I still have a couple of gasoline blowtorches and toolboxes full of obsolete tools sitting in my shop. Showing how to start a gasoline blowtorch or how to set leather anchors in holes drilled by a drilling hammer and stardrill makes people appreciate what it took to build years ago. Thanks for sharing this.

@mrpopesalot8041 Год назад

Love the video Roger!! Those old timers sure didn't make excuses that's a lot of work for a single joint!

@jamest.5001 Год назад

I think knowing how everything works is a good idea, knowledge is power!!

@karlbaum1235 Год назад

So Cool! I really like these plumbing history videos, it's very engaging because it gives a sense of belonging /identity.

@Louis2963 Год назад

I've been waiting to see one of these videos been in this trade for almost twenty years now and my boss is old school and when I say old I mean old he has fifty plus years and packing and leading a joint is one of the skills I learned from him that I am honestly the most proud of and still use to this day if your in service and work in older homes having knowledge like this and being able to replace cast iron flange will save both you and the customer time and money no one wants to cut holes in walls or ceilings if they don't need to

@donaldmack7213 Год назад

30 plus years ago when I helped load coal into barges on the Monongahela River out of a coal mine tipple, we used oakum, wooden wedges, and wood blocking to temporary seal holes in rusty 40 year old barges. We had to look in the gunnel openings of each loaded barge, put a pump in if there was water. Next climb down inside to see where the leak was and to try to plug it with oakum, wedges, and blocking. If the leak was major, call the boat to take it to get unloaded. Never lost one in the 10 years I worked out there.

@philliprichmond8012 Год назад

Hardly ever hear the old timers talk about that anymore. Video was badassness, love you bro. ‘Hook em’.

@RogerWakefield Год назад

🤘🏽

@25Zelote Год назад

That’s great knowledge man! Thank you for sharing your experience with us new plumber! Really appreciate the craft.

@adisharr Год назад

Super interesting - I'm not in the trade (controls engineer) but love seeing how they used to do things back in the day :)

@joellaber4108 Год назад

Love this! Been waiting for a solid tutorial on how this is done. Thank you

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Glad I could deliver this for you

@gamaseki Год назад

My dad made me learn how to do this when I was 8 years old. Haven't done it in decades, but I remember very well how to do it. Nice trip down memory lane.

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Did you learn to do vertical and horizontal joints or one or the other?

@joeshmoe4425 Год назад

Fascinating. I often helped commercial plumbers when my HVAC department was slow and I never even heard of this before.

@m.koehler7716 Год назад

Nice! Every once and a while here in Baltimore we will break out and replace a cast iron closet flange and pack with lead and oakum. Better than the plastic repair flanges in some cases.

@bobjim3052 Год назад

Awesome video!!! Love to see how it was done back then

@andrewwelch5668 Год назад

That's a nice piece of soil pipe work, sir. Cast iron toilet flanges are what I see a lot of newcomers struggle with in more recent days. I'd like to see you perform a cast iron offset toilet flange install on this channel. The flange that has a 2" offset is a bit of a bear. I had to do several of them over the years and struggled mightly as there was no one to properly train me on it. Had to learn from my own mistakes on call backs.

@kenbrown2808 Год назад

I always feel a bit of sympathy when the architect lays out the bathroom so a joist runs right through the middle of where the toilet needs to be and nobody sees what the problem is until the plumber gets there.

@johnpeters9903 Год назад

did plenty of 2"offset flanges, they do present a challenge.

@donchung6709 5 месяцев назад

Brought back alot of memories with the lead pot being fired and melting old lead water lines and drain lines. it was like making some molten lead in advance before using it made it easy to do consecutive joints one after another. By the way that stuff in top of the lead in the ladle is called Dross. Doing a horizontal joint will get you tons of reviews and don't forget to add some oakum behind your little triangle to stop some lead from spilling as you pour.

@pattingo316 10 месяцев назад

Great video Roger. I really enjoy watching your videos. I am a plumber in NYC and we still do lead and oakum joints on jobs. Mainly, the underground piping in schools but sometimes it is on other jobs as well. Im currently working on one right now with lead and oakum joints. Its a great skill for all plumbers to know how to pack and pour lead and oakum joints. It shows the great craftsmanship in the work us plumbers do on the job every day.

@RogerWakefield 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing! How do you melt the lead?

@pattingo316 10 месяцев назад

@@RogerWakefieldHey Roger, we use lead pots heated with a gas setup connected to it. And in tight spots too far away from the pot or no clear walking path, we heat the ladle with a B tank setup.

@fnhwk 3 месяца назад

Using cast iron underground should be illegal

@user-en5ht3yr5z 21 день назад

What a work of art.

@jasonbixeman268 Год назад

Great video. Good to see this stuff.

@brandongraser2939 Год назад

You don't know how much I love the old plumbing I love my cast iron and copper pipe I'm definitely old school when it comes to plumbing

@joshredding9588 Год назад

Thanks for doing this.. never seen it done before kind sir.

@Litephaze2000 Год назад

Great video, Roger! I remember as a boy, in Philadelphia (South Philly), I’d see the lateral/street trap done this way… It is a legacy, hands-down!

@stickyfox Год назад

They still teach this method in the military. Military plumbers working in other countries may encounter all sorts of plumbing technologies that are no longer popular here in the states.

@jeremydelerocha6275 Месяц назад

I was taught how to do this in a horizontal Joint in water! My boss took threading oil and a copper pipe to that joint on a runner rope and poured the oil into that joint while I poured the lead...it kept it from exploding and popping. Blew my mind! So that is about as old school as you can get!

@jeremydelerocha6275 Месяц назад

They do not teach you that in the field. The pythagorean theorem for offsets or fluid dynamics....I learned in trade school. But shit like using Windex instead of the blue leak detector or using a sharpened pencil to stop a leak temporarily on cast iron....that's learned from being around the old guys!

@volvo09 Год назад

I loved this one!

@nashwalker7 Год назад

Plumbers back in the day were hardcore man. The tech that I use on a daily basis just makes my job so much easier.

@joedebosco3047 8 месяцев назад

Great video. I helped my father place cast iron pipe in our NY home back in the 50's. All Darin pipe was cast. He didn't have a super torch like yours, he used a blow torch that had a hook on it to hold the ladle. Tool lots of work. Watching you reminded me of those memorable days. Thank you.

@RogerWakefield 8 месяцев назад

Oh wow! Thank you for sharing the memory

@GR7O Год назад

How cool! I’m a plumber in New Zealand and have never seen this done before and always wondered how the did galv stack work in the past! Thank you so much for this video!!

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@devinpowell6920 Год назад

As a young enough plumber (34)coming from New Orleans. Fell into it after Katrina. I’ve had to pack and pour a few years ago. My predecessor taught me how to de- lead and re install cast where pvc won’t fit. Lost art Roger.

@RogerWakefield Год назад

It is a lost art. Do you enjoy it?

@summerwind4590 Год назад

Thank you for sharing I always wondered how they did the drain pipes in old houses

@jacobburton4138 Год назад

Very interesting video thanks for the blast from the past very robust

@-----REDACTED----- Год назад

Well, I for one am thankful and glad this is now a historical technique.

@Cr125stin Год назад

Very interesting! I never heard of this before

@alexpicard5250 Год назад

2nd year apprentice from Canada here, I work in an older city so I come across a lot of this in service and it’s unfortunate I haven’t been taught to make a lead and oakum joint. Usually we slap a fernco coupling and change to ABS pipe

@shaundonovan2193 Год назад

That’s actually a good looking lead joint bro! Didn’t lose your touch

@henrypickett1955 Год назад

Another tip is to add a ball of plumbers putter under the triangle where your lead runner is clamped. Prevents lead from coming out. I’m 31 plumbing for about 13 years now. I pour lead joints whenever I can I enjoy the process. Also sometimes easier if the hub of cast is at floor level.

@gso125 Год назад

Another tip is to take a piece of oakum and pull it apart and put it under the triangle and it helped from leaking.

@ronmcrae7216 Год назад

Thanks for the memories, I helped my grand father do that 54 years

@wildbill8675309 Год назад

I've always wondered how horizontal joints were done. I've only done a few cast iron flange installations with lead and oakum. Neat video!

@matthewlarson4513 Год назад

Thanks man! Mr Fernco needs to be sainted!

@choccolocco Год назад

Very interesting video. Being in demo, I have seen many cast systems, but I have never known how it was done. I had no idea that many tools were needed, but it makes sense. I always try to remediate the lead, as it’s great soft lead that can be used for many things. One thing I know is that it’s easier to get out than it is to put in, lol. It’s also interesting to see the craftsmanship, and many times LACK OF when they come apart. I have also seen the difference of the lead when it’s poured all at once, verses in “layers”. I feel for the old school plumbers. One of the latest tear downs was a three story, that had all cast, including 5” vents to the roof…crazy amount of pipe…and the house had 52 window weights as well, so we all got some extra beer money when it was over, lol.

@marquesfuqua9967 2 месяца назад

This was refreshing thank you! ❤

@RogerWakefield 2 месяца назад

You're so welcome!

@MrBen527 Год назад

Great demo! I've wondered how this was done exactly.

@johnpeters9903 Год назад

nice tutorial, i usually unwrap the oakum and use the thinner strands. retired after 49 yrs in the trade.

@seanwilson9117 Год назад

holy crap. Something just now makes sense to me from my childhood. 1988-1989ish there was a commercial and I can't even remember what for, but it showed a pipe springing a leak and I always wondered why there was some weird rope or nest of some kind involved. Today, at 37 years old, I learned of Oakum

@joshdiehl8737 Год назад

Haha cool memory.

@stevenaylor5163 Год назад

I have some of these tools that came from my grandfather, had no idea they were for lead pluming joints.

@emptyurtrash5898 4 месяца назад

Great stuff!!! Definitely informative and useful!

@RogerWakefield 4 месяца назад

Glad you think so! Have you ever made an old school joint like this?

@TEBCO123 Год назад

thanks, great video.

@spudhut2246 Год назад

Great video, thank you!

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Glad you liked it!

@markkolecke6025 Год назад

Oakum is made from Jute and tar. I go one strand at a time first for about 4 times around. The final strands I'll twist together to force them down tight. If you twist all of them like a rope I figure it has very little space to expand. Keep your running rope in the box with oakum to soak up that oil and stay soft. You can use a little plumbers putty at the top of the rope to keep it from spilling out.

@aaronjones9732 Год назад

Awesome! I found a few packing tools in a box that my Dad gave me... I had no clue what they were. Know I know.

@BurlyMediaCo Год назад

Very Informative!

@brianpite0893 Год назад

That was fascinating. Thanks

@RogerWakefield Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!!

@RjsEpicAdventures Год назад

Very cool knowledge

@kevingaddis7276 Год назад

Nothing will piss you off more than busting a hub when packing the lead.

@Bloated_Tony_Danza Год назад

I have an old Clayton and Lambert plumber's furnace. It was used to melt lead before propane was available, and it ran on this stuff called "white gas" which was basically just the unleaded gas of that time, very much like today's Coleman fuel. The thing is a monstrosity, it's EXTREMELY loud when It's running, and it shoots out massive fireballs while it's preheating. But it's a really beautiful tool, even if it's obsolete

@jimsyhammond Год назад

Wow very interesting! Takes so such time to do 1 joint

@johnnyfigueroa4690 2 месяца назад

Excellent information sir

@victorponce7238 Год назад

Mr Wakefield you sure have a nice shop. And those tools...heh heh those old tools will outlive us all. They won't break. Lol 🙂😁

@MalleusSemperVictor Год назад

Reminds me of the days of lead shower pans or hot mop shower pans I've seen. No one would probably mess with that but you have to appreciate how far we've come with technology that makes these hard jobs more convenient.

@jfpiv Год назад

Came here from shorts to watch a cool plumbing vid, but stayed for this man's magnificent mustache

@JD-sc5mp Год назад

I’m a plumber in Sudbury, Ontario. I’ve never used lead and plain to make a joint and probably never will do this is very nice to see. I’m 30 and I think I’m at the age where any plumbers that come after me will have only soldered in school. I prefer it over press because anyone can do press. Only a plumber can plumb a complete system and solder it.