Subscribe or I'll steal your cymbals: bit.ly/2AyH1Fb Watch the latest Fiverr metal drummer video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ePc6zUuLwD0.html As a drummer, some of my most valuable feedback and lessons learned have come from evaluating my drumming in a recorded setting, getting feedback from other musicians, and being willing to improve my playing based upon that feedback. As well, I can learn so much just by watching another drummer or picking apart their drumming. So, in this video, I paid random metal drummers on Fiverr to record a drum part to a metalcore song I had produced. Since I am hiring them, it's my job to play the part of the producer and evaluate what I think works and what I think doesn't work with each of their drum parts. Leave a comment below and let me know who you think played it the best! If you like this series, you'll love this one as well: I Paid $2000 For 3 DRUM LEGENDS To Record The Same Song!: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HuWiDhVtymE.html I Paid 3 DRUM LEGENDS To Record The Same Song!: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uTs55giAlwM.html
Dude you should post the track and make a super cool collab with bunch of drummers from social media, people uploads it, tags you, you pick parts that you like and make a video with all the parts. lots of work insane outcome!
Stephen! thank you so much for including me in your video and for the kind words. I absolutely love your content - the time and effort you put in to helping drummers out there become the best they can be has definitely helped me along the way, and continues to help me daily in my practice sessions. you explain things in a way that's easy to comprehend and simple to transfer into a practice session. very happy to have been a part of one of your videos.
No one can say you didn't give Stephen his money's worth!! I thought you did a very good job and have the potential to be an excellent drummer!! Your future is bright!
Sooo... I've seen other "fiver" vids, and assume that they are sponsoring a lot of them... If so, is that why he seemed to completely lay off the guy, because they said he's a fiver 'pro'? Instead of "he didn't do this" and yelling "noooooo", he was like "he could have done this, but XYZ (incase there's a singer)" and giving some fake opion. I dunno, his response to the pro seemed completely fake.
I liked Glen W even more than Brit B. I don't know, all her 16th notes just get a bit much for me after a while, and the sound of the kit is pretty bland. The kick is nice and punchy but everything else sounds like it's just a phone camera microphone or something.
@@travisjohnson7065 I agree with these points even though I liked hers the best. I think she is an insane drummer for this track and I think the mixing and the coaching can be an easy fix to get it real clean.
one hundred percent, this guy may not know how good he is, get him locked down and slide him some notes and you'll get exactly what you ask for, that being said ... congratulations winner, you nailed it and that's money!
In real life you absolutely slam BriittB for the multiple loss of time fills and treat her like you did the other 7 submissions. Then go back to the 37$ guy, hit 3-5 punches and pay him a couple c notes to walk away.
$37 dude's recording is spot on. You can see his ethos in everything he did. I feel he would be more versatile with any kind of session music. Brit B. was great but i'd hire the e kit guy.
he had the best feel for sure if you're looking at context of the track, and sound matching (maybe it was luck? :) really enjoyed this guy. Sounded most like "You Slut!"
actually this is the best "i paid fiverr" thing content ive seen, he didnt sugar coat any of the criticism he had on those drummers which somehow is sort of educational, i learned a lot on how to approach a song.
$37 guy wins for me. His kit sounded amazing and his style was just more interesting. As for the 'pro'... yeah... I can imagine him playing in a tribute band in some dodgy biker bar where you are expected to get drunk and fight with pool cues
The $42 drummer produced a solid musical theme drum fill 12:20 but the second to the last note of the ending drum fill beginning 12:28 would have had more authority with a pause bass drum hit followed by the final snare drum and high hat note.
LOL! Fuck it! I'm hitting every push from now on with with extreme double bass and every going for every cymbal at least twice. (I can hear the guitarist bitching already.)
I get the feeling that you would never go for the 'Less is more' point of view. I feel that pulling back is often justified. These guys are trying to play a drum part. If they knew that they were supposed to show off, they would have played differently. Yes, $37 guy was pretty good.
I have to say, I didn't see what the big deal was about hers. For the most part, it was just average. Very solid, but average in terms of how interesting it was to me personally. Granted, I didn't see the whole song, just clips. But for example, at 17:33...what is he even reacting to? Sounded pretty basic to me, but he flipped out like she did something amazing. And even the sound of the kit, and the mixing. It's a bit dry and bland to me. Glen W sounded more professional, clean and clear, and it fits better in the context of the song. For only $37.
@@travisjohnson7065 I see it the same way tbh! Not hating or anything but the dude, who switched it up with the E kit had by far the best sound, best technique and great arrangement IMO! The rock lady was playing heavy handed, swinging alot of arm motion, which is cool, but I never heard the Instrumental as "Rock"-ish as everyone claims to be honest! The guy should go up up with his price for sure!!
Yep, that guy was solid and did have great intuition, altho his style is a bit too alt-rock for my taste, BritB is young too and she has a more diverse style imo.
I don't know, a song like that doesn't need fills and fancy things, as a drummer if someone is sending me this generic vanilla sounding song I would have thought that is music for a RU-vid ad.
Agreed, I don't know why he expected a fill in that spot. The only reason I would put one there is if he had specifically asked for it. Based on no instruction and only the track to go off of, a slow start, four on the floor, and not too much busy fill work was the way to go on this one.
Exactly, if they had decent music to work with I'm sure they would all have better drum tracks. You can't write music with no substance and expect to get Mangini or Bozzio.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic and I'm falling for it... but the push here is when you accent the next bar on the 'and' of 4 of the previous bar. Usually you'd do it on the 1 of the next bar. Full disclosure though I had no idea it had a name till I watched this. I just kinda do it.
@photag216 Haha. Luckily for those of us who don't have to articulate stuff to other drummers we can just play and not know what it is that we're doing. Never felt the need to learn the terminology 😂
The 37$ dude was very nice. He gave the song a solid but also open feel and was creative in his playing. But honestly, I didn't like the 157 PROOOOO at all, his vibe didn't fit AND the sound quality was shit.
$37 guy. Hands down. I think he did what was best for the song and you sir already had a preconceived idea of what you wanted (or what you would’ve done) and found the person who displayed that. I can totally see $37 guy in the studio taking suggestions like a champ.
This is the best "Fiver" vid I've seen. Most just react and try to be comedic but this was both entertaining and educational just by you being excited for drummers playing. I was scared that you were about to just do the trend but this was so much better. Great stuff Stephen!
This channel is about teaching, so I will always try to bring it back to that. Plus, I just love music and hearing others interpretation of a song! As you can see, I get pretty amped up about creating music lol
I feel like this song doesn't need the hits and fills that you keep calling for, doesn't quite fit. most of these interpretations fit the song. I think they interpreted it better than you. Just my opinion.
Not to mention he repeatedly says it needs to "build to something". Which makes me think, did he ask them to make the drums the focal point of the song? If you are adding drums to a track on Fiver you don't really want to assume that your part is going to be the center of the song. You are probably just thinking that someone has asked you to do the drums for commercial music lol and you just need to write something to fit the song without sticking out.
I think one of the pitfalls of the song being played is that it sounds like an intro to a business convention, or a talk or something (basically a background track). And that, by nature, doesn't call for a lot of extra energy.
@@theTrend7 right, but good in this case is supposed to be somewhat subtle. If I were making this track (I wouldn't be) I would actually much prefer programmed drums to match how bland the overall track is.
@@theTrend7 True in some cases, but the drummers in this case probably understand they have to play to serve the song to get good reviews and get paid. If they think it's a background song (and I think it sounds that way) then they play like it's a background song because they don't want to risk overplaying it and giving the customer a distracting performance.
Britb and Glenn both killed it, but I'd love at the end of these to hear your take on the song Stephen. You talked about things you'd like to hear and while there were examples I think having you play through once would be a great way to end these.
Really enjoyed the $12 gig. For the price, it's a steal (the guy's a kid, too). Yeah, we might all agree that BritB was the best, but the price was 10x. Worth mentioning the kid.
Why not just copy and paste the drums from “Shut Up And Dance”, should fit perfect. Just a little joke. I’d go with the last drummer. Served the song and didn’t overplay.
I think the lack of fills in that empty section was actually correct if there were vocals on the track. If you want to build the song you would leave that section empty...let the vocals shine into the next section. The fills that people did were fine, but the extra quarter guy (Jordan McQueen) did that expertly for the betterment of the song itself. Obviously my personal interpretation. I also think Britt was the best overall player and well worth the price tag. Great production quality, the best feel for the song...dug it.
@@BrittanyNicoleBowman It wasn't even close. You could have charged $100 more and I'd still say that was worth it. Excellent job - you're clearly deserving of the title 'pro'.
Actually the first guy seems to make the most musically decisions, patternwise. But The Lady goes with the (Grohl)Stomp-Mode, which worked of course. But altogether a nice video. Pretty insightful. Thank you 🙏
I think what we're seeing here - and it comes up in all these "I paid people on Fiver to do XYZ" - is the value of communication. If you send someone a song with no real direction other than "play drums", you're going to get something that won't necessarily fit your vision. A bit of back and forth feedback over a couple of takes, and I reckon any of these drummers would have produced the goods. It's like two teams playing a game where only one side knows what the rules are....
Some of the best cats I’ve played with did exactly what you said and I never took it personally. It’s really hard to play drums for someone that doesn’t specify their vision. 90% of the time I’m going to hear a song very differently than they hear it in their head, that’s just part of collaboration. Sometimes shit just happens and your vibin’ but usually results are driven by strong communication.
Man, I forget who it was... Maybe Sonny Greer.... One of Count Basie's drummers would play a song in rehearsal, and just play time throughout, nothing special... 2nd run through, he completely owned the song, with big fill lead ins to all of the "hits" (something that $12 kid could work on - well, several of them, actually) and it was like he'd been playing the song for years. Not the same as this video, but you made me just think of it, and now it's gonna kill me who it was....
Good video, but I'm gonna be honest here: I think I preferred the $47 guy. I actually preferred the fact that he did not play a solo at the break. He let the song breathe. It made it feel like the song stopped moving in time, then it picked right back up. I liked that feeling. Many of the more expensive drummers did 'too much' for the song. The vibe I get from just the non-drum instruments is something laid-back with a little bit of groove. I would not have expected some loud, in-your-face drum track that has loud crashes and open hi hat. That is part of the reason why I didn't like Brittany (for the price). I feel like she was almost always playing at full power besides a couple of small fills where there were crescendos. While that might work for a something else such as a metal song, I do not think it works here. But based on the other comments, I seem to be in the minority.
Really interesting! Glenn Welman was my favorite of the submissions and I definitely will bookmark him for hiring. I get what you were after, dirtier and more driving on this particular track, but his tone and pocket is spot on for a wide variety of genres where the drums need to sit cleanly in the mix. At the prices he is offering, it's a steal.
@@dodjiegarcia2320 uh NO, "Where the streets have no Name" on a whole nother Level, comparing this wanna be "shut up & Dance" to that masterpiece is SACRILEGE and BLASPHEMOUS! LOL.... I think what your hearing is Guitar has similar Effects being like a chorus and Delay/echo, but IT ENDS THERE. "...streets no name" is like SAD sounding so probably in Minor Mode, This song here thats a wanna be "shut up" is a HAPPY JOLLY SONG sounding, totally different feel.
My pick would’ve been Glenn. That was the best-sounding drum set and drummer out of the bunch, and I loved how Glenn chose the drum break as an opportunity to break out the electronic percussion.
10:10 Bang for a buck.. definitely. i personally love those toms in the beginning. but after he sees this, which i assume he already did, he's practicing even more... he's the cleanest and and most creative in my opinion... plus props to the Kid. he has some really serious skills.
The 37 dollars guy totally stole the show for me with that little trap interlude, also his style is very reminiscent of mine so I might be a little biased here, but hey, the others did a great job too.
Glen is my favorite, I love the halftime, he played; it adds this part a nice intense touch. and his kit sounds wonderful. Brittany`s style fits perfectly to the song and she would get the gig if you had to choose one. not to forget the young men; all of them are seeking some practice and they did a nice job, don't judge them too hard. ;)
for me, imo: $12, great performance, very alt rocky, most accurate sounding drum tone for the song, reminds me of U2 or Muse, the room for singing is perfect. $17, it's okay for the price. $22, missing a lot of things, probably he thought it was a chill quiet song, so he didnt put too much there. $37, best one in my opinion, great price, killer sound (too bassy, but still great), creative, amazing player. $42, good fills and rudiments, still for me not better than $12 or $37 dude. $47, the ride sounds amaaaazing, i wish the other drummers had that tone too but missed the drum fill :( $157, phone quality, overpriced, i don't doubt he is a great player but he didnt do justice for the song. $210, great performance, probably too much energy and almost no room for singing, bad sound, overheads and cymbals too high in frequencies, for me, very overpriced for what he got. Best ones for me were the $12 and $37 dudes.
I agree with everything here. I do think lassies on the internet providing vids have to price-out creeps to a large degree though. But it's interesting that your and my vision of Stephen's song seems to want more subdued drums and his wanted far more drive and energy. I kinda wish he'd have davie504'd it and done his own take for the end of the vid to showcase what he was hearing in his head.
The guys at the start did an amazing job. You have to be fair to those lads - you can't expect them to spend more than an hour or so on it for that sort of cash. So I guess they're not going to totally nail the structure and all the pauses, stabs, etc. If I got back cleanly recorded tracks that were even vaguely usable for that money, I'd be a very happy customer. Also, if I was doing this, I would supply the drummer with a sample of the basic rhythm I wanted, and ask them to keep it simple and tight. Then provide a minute or two of stabs and fills, which I could choose from and slot in. The e-drum dude wasn't to my taste.. a bit flashy.. but played really well and had BY FAR the best sounding kit. I would have probably guessed that he was the pro out of the bunch. I like what Brittany played, she gave it a more straight-ahead rock vibe. The sound wasn't great, but I'm guessing these were all essentially unmixed, so hard to say.
I feel like a lot of these drummers were, "playing it safe." It's easy to be labeled as overplaying, and trying to steal the show behind the kit, which sometimes is frowned upon. It's not always clear if your gig wants those flashy plays, or a more modest track. If I did these Fiverr jobs, I would definitely ask what the customer is looking for, and probably provide both a flashy, and chilled version just in case.
I was making some music and I hired a bassist on fiver for £35 ($43 roughly). It was a funk style track and I gave him as much direction needed, what intensity, volume, drums are doing this etc. However, what I did not expect is that he sent me 5 different takes each with a different style and techniques, slap, muted, fingers, simple and complex groove. This blew me away as I was able to just pick what I liked. I am surprised no drummer did not do this especially if they cost more than $40 and the track is not long at all.
Man that was fun! I love hearing each person's take one the tune, and I learned a bunch from your commentary. I'd love to hear more like this, AND as somebody else mentioned, it would be WAY FUN to go back to each drummer and give t hem feedback, and get one more take from each. It would be interesting to see how much each drummer changed.
I feel the first drummers were leaving room and air in case it was a song .Do you want heavy drums or leave room for other instruments or vocals? What kind of track is it supposed to be?!?! Depending on who's listening , the " best " drummer here could also be seen as overplaying and get fired.
I felt the same way. I've lost a lot of auditions to smashers, and that's okay, I prefer a little lighter touch, and that is more often NOT what is wanted.
This is actually a really good point to bring up. I work in a creative field, that employs freelancers / hired guns, etc. to not just fill in a gap on a project but to enhance it, and also put some kind of personal, artistic stamp on it. And the best way to get good work is to be as clear and specific about your needs...for feel/style/energy/aesthetic. People should still get at least a jumping off point for context/direction.
These are, of course, entirely subjective opinions -- 12$ guy = 7.3/10 17$ guy = 6.2/10 22$ guy = 7/10 37$ guy = 8.6/10 42$ guy = 7.6/10 47$ guy = 8/10 157$ guy = 6.8/10 210$ girl = 8.8/10 So, I guess all-in-all, I agree with Stephen? I judged while listening to each one -- didn't know he had chosen Brit as winner 'til after.
Britt providing the value for money there. Gets the accents but doesn't overplay it. Let's the song breathe when appropriate and drives when it needs it. And she even managed to look like she was having fun while doing it.
The biggest epiphany I had is that we hear what is not played more than what is. Don't believe me? Layer random 16th notes over and over until 3 things are playing on every note. When you reach the point where there is no silence, you don't hear music anymore.
this is such a shit trend on youtube, presenting incomplete songs and then saying "it's a good amount of space" or "they filled the space too much" when someone plays towards their instincts. In other words, if this song was 100% complete except for the drums, you still need to know the context it's going to be used. Is it trying for placements where there will be talking/environment sounds? Also lol @ $210 dollars for that sound quality / performance. yikes.
Playing drums is like trimming a tree. If you want views, slaughter it with biggest fucking chainsaw made and run it through a shredder. If you want a nice looking tree, you remember that it's what you don't cut that makes it look good.
Brit B proves the maxim: It pays to invest in quality. But, for $37 eKit guy was damn solid. And I’d probably throw a project to the $12 kid. Session players improve the most by meeting demands of paying customers.
While the "get what you pay for" aspect has some merit, for me there is a more important question. After each sample I asked myself "How does that feel?" Glenn left me feeling good, no doubt, but Brit B had me sitting up and saying "Holy crap! I gotta watch this again!" Would love to see her whole submission from start to finish. She also looked like she was having the most fun.
Hey Stephen! Stumbled upon this video a week or two after it came out and it is a pretty big part of me finally getting drum lessons. After 15 years of playing guitar & always struggling with keeping time and then not following so much of the lingo in this video with pushes and upbeats it really drove home how much of a blind spot I have with rhythm. Started drum lessons in june, bought my first e-kit this past friday and my timing is already improving. Thanks for the inspiration/kick in the ass!
The guy who didn't do a drum fill deserves credit, he's letting the song breathe and not being a stereotypical arrogant drummer who thinks he needs to fill every single gap with a drum fill.
Mate, not all drummers are arrogant, but we have a tonne of talent that sometimes gets hidden behind the rest of the band. We need time to show off sometimes.
Having a debate on whether to fill or not fill in some corporate ass generic song is almost as much of a waste of time as me typing these words. Fuck that boring ass song. I go for fill.
This was an interesting experiment. I'd be curious to know a couple of things: 1. Did you provide a chart, or just a track? 2. What did you tell them this was for? To me this sounds like a radio jingle or TV commercial, so I would intentionally try to keep it pretty tame, as well as consistent (which Brittany B crushed). Seemed to me that some of the them were trying to hard to be creative if indeed it was a jingle. But if you said, "Lemme' see what you got", then that would explain things. Either way, this was fun. Nice work.
iIwas curious about this is as well. if playing for a band then everybody did a great job (depending on feel of band) if instructed to fill in all the spaces and hit every accent /drum expo style ( which appeared to be the criteria) then that's a different gig.
What impresses me the most, is how much value the better drums bring to the table. Paying less than 50$ to get a quality live drum track played specifially for your song really is a bargain.
Tough to actually hear the drummers' playing because the talking over is so frequent and so much louder - but from what I could tell the $12 drummer didn't actually miss any of those hits. His kick followed the bassline perfectly.
What I enjoyed the most about Brittany Bowman is that she really looked to be enjoying being in the moment just doing what she very apparently loves. Also she sounded B.A.! P.S. I know nothing, I am John Snow of the drums.
Britt had the U2 feel in the verse I was looking for there, her creativity in the fills and transitions was cool, keeping the kick going, cool, and the ending, cool. $210 she wins. The guy over $100 sounded like he was playing a different song for part of it
thanks man, this is so good at showing what you actualy pay for in a musician, and what players should aim for........(its listening, and energy btw haahahaha) I like that you selected a small amount as they're so different!
