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I Played 400 Hours of Cata Classic... Is It Good Or Bad? | Cataclysm Classic 

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In my opinion, if you enjoyed WOTLK, then you will certainly enjoy Cataclysm as they are ultimately very similar.
This is my little review going over some of the features and overhauls that Cataclysm Classic brought to our classic journey.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:50 Disclaimers
01:24 Class Overhauls
02:37 Azeroth Revamp
03:13 80-85 Experience
03:55 Disappointment of Heroics
04:34 Implement Dungeon Progression
04:54 Rated Battlegrounds
05:36 Raiding Content
07:38 Overall Thoughts

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@Quintin4407
@Quintin4407 27 дней назад
I've played about 150 hours, have 3 level 85s and my guild is 11/13h. I'll say that the raiding experience has been awesome, and I definitely enjoy the heroics not requiring CC. The difficulty is set for normal people, not for people who are playing more than a full time job, which is better than any other expansions difficulty IMO.
@Feneckou
@Feneckou 27 дней назад
good on you for being honest, and not letting the 400hours sunk cost falacy prevent you from giving an objective opinion.
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
As an economics major hearing the "sunk cost fallacy" tickles my brain.
@JAlvarez1104
@JAlvarez1104 27 дней назад
The loot differences on 10 compared to 25 are pretty noticeable to be sure. After 5 clears, I have gained 1 overall Item level.
@mekz22
@mekz22 27 дней назад
It's starting to tear my 10man group apart. There are several people who have gone several weeks without a single piece of loot, some getting maybe 1-2. We have seen 2 Vanquisher tier tokens drop. People are demotivated and just don't wanna play anymore. There's no reason trying to shoehorn people into 25man with promises of more loot anymore.
@albeshino8875
@albeshino8875 27 дней назад
How many pieces drop per boss in 10m vs 25m?
@justarandompally
@justarandompally 27 дней назад
@@albeshino8875 its 2 on 10 and 6 on 25, but the difference is that with more people, you will have much less wasted loot where on 10 man you can easily have a lot of items drop that nobody in the team can even equip for their main spec.
@virallock
@virallock 27 дней назад
@@mekz22 I played 10M during OG cata and totally felt this way, with classic I went 25M and having far more fun I think the best way to fix this was to make 2 lock outs per week. If you want two 10M lock outs one Heroic one normal or one 25M Normal and one 10M H/N Let players play imo, WotLK with two locks made pugging on your main or finding grps more fun
@virallock
@virallock 27 дней назад
@@albeshino8875on normal it’s 4 items sometimes 5 on heroic if 8 items drop
@user-fe9xl1ob1d
@user-fe9xl1ob1d 27 дней назад
The best expansion that was wow, you don't have to wait for it to be processed daily to quest
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
Have to say I'm a big fan of not having too much daily content.
@daranhassinger1360
@daranhassinger1360 27 дней назад
I didn’t know what to expect. I didn’t play original cata, but I’m having fun. My guild is slowly but surely progging heroics. We do 25m. Still my only gripe for the xpac is arch. I enjoy playing alts and worked extremely hard to get those weapons because of it. The system should have been tinkered with before release.
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
Yeah archeology was handled pretty poorly; but luckily it doesn't make that much of a difference at this stage anymore.
@naejimba
@naejimba 9 дней назад
Don't forget this is the most alt friendly xpac in the game's history... if you enjoy leveling and playing several different toons it is a big plus.
@unmye
@unmye 25 дней назад
Do you have any video about when to use defensive cooldowns in dungeons or raids? I just started tanking and I feel like Ive never pressed any defensive cooldowns😭. Maybe I need to know the instances better to preview the big dam. It is really hard to
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
I don't at the moment, but perhaps something I'll make for the raid tier. I think it simply comes down to learning timings and don't be afraid to use things like bone shield and vampiric blood pretty much off cooldown, even if there's no big tank damage incoming.
@ZJtraylor
@ZJtraylor 27 дней назад
Cataclysm was in my opinion the beginning of the end for wow. However I do think it did a lot of things right. I always liked (and enjoyed playing through again) the redesigned leveling zones.
@CatDad09
@CatDad09 27 дней назад
I had a good time farming my pre-bis but got a tad burnt out and quit before the raids. I think I’ll come back for 4.1 because I love running 5-mans for upgrades.
@ahetzel9054
@ahetzel9054 27 дней назад
That's too bad, especially since my guild cleared all raids week one with an average ilvl of 334. No one was full pre BiS, we just said Fk it, let's rock and roll 😂 Now we're at 10/13 heroic progression
@mcbaggins12
@mcbaggins12 27 дней назад
How can you find doing 5 man's more fun than raiding?
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
I love 5 man content too; would love to see some dungeon progression content.
@worldview2888
@worldview2888 20 дней назад
**Update to my comment - This video has been very helpful because of how HONEST and just direct about the game WITHOUT the usual BS from certain content creators being "excessively positive" about every new launch. Summary i will just subscribe the game for ONE month, level a total of 2 characters and i won't be wasting my money (AND TIME) on WoW.** This is the first time i am watching this channel, i MAINLY watch big channels (by the same few content creators about WoW) Today - i actually make a decision if i will resubscribe to play WoW again because of Riyani.
@zanygamez2856
@zanygamez2856 3 дня назад
You would have 3-4 decent heroic end bosses to progress on if you didn't sweat full bis playing 2 weeks time in a month lol
@LuisBorgesgoncalves
@LuisBorgesgoncalves 7 дней назад
I ve played about 200 hours and i have 1 char in level 85, i entry one guild but i quit because is a shit, my life is pugs and i never make heroic raid
@CyberMonkey03
@CyberMonkey03 26 дней назад
I main DK but I want to make an alt ranged dps, which one do you recommend to compliment my DK?
@lepakage2
@lepakage2 27 дней назад
I like the heroics. Sure, with solid gear you can clear in 12m for some of them but there are still baddies out there pushing out 6K-8k DPS and carrying them doesn’t feel great. It would be nice to have a harder tier for heroics even if it only awarded gold or a travelers satchel or something just because guild groups or even some pugs just smash through it
@twattythirky
@twattythirky 27 дней назад
for me cata and wotlk are the only S tier expansions
@zanygamez2856
@zanygamez2856 3 дня назад
Mmos have always been staged progressive where old content becomes obsolete, your point on dungeon progression is weightless really. Once people are raiding they want to raid not do the same dungeons again but +2 lol.
@albeshino8875
@albeshino8875 27 дней назад
10m logs are meaningless?
@Holylightt99
@Holylightt99 27 дней назад
10m itself is only for casual dad guilds who cant be bothered to put in the effort for 25 man (the better and real raid size)
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
Meaningless was perhaps a bit too strong a word, but less valuable due to the inherent comp restrictions and no frontpage coverage on warcraftlogs.
@albeshino8875
@albeshino8875 25 дней назад
⁠@@Riyaniwowoh I see what you mean now.
@Paneron1123
@Paneron1123 27 дней назад
Streamers / RU-vidrs who are in these hardcore Guilds that clear all raid content in the first couple weeks by optimizing the ever living fuck out the game and then complain about the fact are just something else.
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
Whether I clear the raid week 1 or week 6 doesn't make a difference in the arguments I'm making. I love raiding and reclearing still, I'm just advocating for progression content outside of the raids so we have something to do when we're not raiding.
@Zamel-l1i
@Zamel-l1i 27 дней назад
I feel like your opinion lost all its weight when you started talking about raiding because you came off kinda clueless. Randomly saying 10 man logs are meaningless with 0 justification just comes off as you upset you cant parse as well in 10 mans (at least based on how your parses are worse in 10 man from the video). Also as someone who raids 10 and 25 man the argument of 25 man drops more loot so it feels like the correct way to raid is wild. I would say right now 25 man feels more rewarding with loot but that would mean maybe 10 man loot should be adjusted to be on equal scale not just saying 25 man is the correct way to play.
@saschaaah
@saschaaah 27 дней назад
I feel like rewarding people for organizing larger raidgroups is totally fine. 3 for 10 and 9 for 25 good, no need to change really
@Zamel-l1i
@Zamel-l1i 27 дней назад
Im just quoting him, he literally says that proportionally 25 man gives more loot, which is true its 2.5x the players for 3x the loot. Personally I don't think the claim that organizing a larger raid size is a good justification for the loot imbalance since most mechanics are easier on 25 man, as you have more raid CDS and a lot of the mechanics do the same amount of damage.
@DrTournevis
@DrTournevis 26 дней назад
Dunno why he dropped this, totally agree with you
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
Meaningless was perhaps the wrong word choice; like I said in the beginning, this is seen from the perspective of a high-end raider, so since the default all-star rankings on wclogs are 25 man combined with the inability to parse in 10m if you don't have a perfect comp, just means it's a less valuable metric in my opinion (which is ultimately what this video is, just my opinion).
@DaBeastRay1234
@DaBeastRay1234 27 дней назад
400 hours and it’s been out 2 months…. Yall are the own cause of your fatigue and burnout
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 27 дней назад
I’m my own biggest enemy for sure.
@Desolat-e
@Desolat-e 17 часов назад
not a good expansion for social people who love pugs and the world.
@OGNord
@OGNord 27 дней назад
Lmao man I can’t take you seriously after the “10M is meaningless”. So is 25man then. 10 man is way more punishing than 25 man, I’d say 25 is easier in many points. Showered in gear and CDs, as well with CRs, it’s a joke.
@Holylightt99
@Holylightt99 27 дней назад
10 man is trrash and for teams who cant put in the effort to get 25 mans hell my guld has 2 25 mans its not hard people just need to put in the effort
@saschaaah
@saschaaah 27 дней назад
​@@Holylightt99i disagree. Theres bosses that are harder on 10 and some that are harder on 25. Dont get butthurt because a relatively small youtuber (compared to lets say scotte or willE) has a certain opinion
@Variia
@Variia 27 дней назад
He said 10m logs are meaningless. Which is true
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
I definitely did not say 10m is meaningless. I love 10 man raiding, especially when you have a bunch of good friends to raid with.
@JV-ko6ov
@JV-ko6ov 27 дней назад
Over half my guild quit and most others are falling apart. The raid hardmodes are way way way too much. If i wanted something like this id go play retail. Raiding is dead to me. As a healer in wotlk i felt like if i played right i could carry any raid, but now i feel like im using a wet noodle.
@Riyaniwow
@Riyaniwow 25 дней назад
Interesting-- I've heard a lot of good from the healers' perspective in this expansion.
@NorthernWalks
@NorthernWalks 27 дней назад
Cata ok but the company that runs it is awful, go back to private
@TheGermanFighter1
@TheGermanFighter1 27 дней назад
Too simple and easy. Cleared 7/13 hc week 1. First Time Cata. Damn boring and underwhelming. Everone talked about how hard it will be and how many weeks we will need to clear 4 or more hcs... Have seen every hc and now i will wait for firelands.
@pnajnaja2720
@pnajnaja2720 27 дней назад
You are playing with 4.3 talents and a slightly nerfed version of the raids. What do you expect? Fight are not even half as long as they were back in the day.
@johnspencefareal420
@johnspencefareal420 27 дней назад
i like it