I Played Beat Saber on Every VR Headset 

‼️PLEASE READ‼️ Apparently I may have not had my Bigscreen Beyond not setup correctly which may have affected tracking. That could be a factor too 🤔 I just realised one of the scores were doubled up 😭😭😭 Here's all the actual results for those curious imgur.com/a/eijh4r7 I really wanted to play Beat Saber on EVERY actual headset but it became way too hard! My poor Valve Index is broken but figured the Bigscreen Beyond would have similar results (if not better). What's your favorite headset for Beat Saber?

I love how sometimes in beat saber, the harder you consciously try, the worse you actually do😂 then when you let go and let the subconscious take over, you dominate without even thinking about it!

Would be cool (but also hard) to do a similar test but between Native Quest vs Link cable vs Air link vs Virtual Desktop!

This ain't how you make a test. For testing something the variables needs to be independent of eachother, which they clearly aren't, since your going from headset to headset and other stuff can mess with the results like how tired you are or even that you can become a bit better for playing the song more.

There are definitely many factors and it’s for sure personalized. When I switched from Q1 to Q2 with different grips, my scores went up. I again changed out my lighting and room setup. Scores went up ever more. I would love to try pro controllers tho to see what happens. This was a great experiment and very scientific. Thanks!

Comparing and contrasting virtual reality headsets on a game that I am familiar with is super helpful to me - I am trying to get several friends into VR. Thank you very much.

You put in a lot of work in this video. Thanks for helping me with my next purchase. You're the best.

Nice video! meta used beat saber to calibrate their controllers, it's not surprising that it scores really well.

Great video! Seriously good stuff, I've been waiting on a video like this since the q3 dropped, And I think you did a great job comparing the headsets and trying to keep it level and even. My Quest 3 comes today, any minute cannot wait to try it out! It'll be my daily driver for at least some time.

As an engineer, i approve this is a successful experiment and she is a certified VR scientist

Thank you, been waiting for this!

Thank you for this! I’ve been beating my q2 scores with the q3. I still think I need to perfect my controller settings. All in all, it’s a great headset!

it might be the refresh rate difference form the bigscreen who is locked at 90hz and the meta standalones at 120hz that make the score down a bit on the bigscreen rather than the meta standalones

I really like this video, love the new style 😃

this is what we needed thanks

The only science I need to know is coke and Mentos

Beautiful and smart! A great combination.

I found the tracking in the Quest 3 to be substandard, but after watching your results, maybe it's the difference in the feel and grip of the controllers that is throwing me off. Thx, caused me to re-evaluate.

Thanks for the very informative video! I love the Mysthbusters Science style! Thanks Naysy! BANANA all day lol

Cool video! I will try unpairing/re-pairing my Q3 controllers because there's definitely something funky going on with the haptics. I'd also appreciate a comparison between the Q2, QPro and Q3 controllers on other rhythm games. I play Smash Drums, Ragnarock and Synth Riders as well as BS, and Ragnarock in particular is behaving weird with Q3 for me - consistently missing hits. Starting to consider upgrading to Touch Pro controllers...

I was surprised with my scores when I got my Quest 3. I was playing on the Quest version at first and got new high scores. Thinking that was just because it was better then the Q2, I tried it with the Q3 on the Steam version using Virtual Desktop. I would have figured there would be extra latency, but again I got some new high scores. My conclusion was that the lighter controllers had a lot to do with it. Glad you may have had the same thought. Loved the comparison, I've been curious how it would shake out. Thanks

did you set them all to the same refresh rate ? or did you run the beyond at it's max of 90 Hz and the different Quests at 120 Hz ?

wow, I think I have the same issue with the pro controllers and the quest3,, just thought I was just really bad a beatsaber. will repair and try again

Nice and interesting comparison. I still thinking inside out tracking has so many benefits to not needing dedicated playspace, that I'm glad it seems to be improving with the Quest 3. Bananananananana

It’s bananas that the thumbnail wasn’t you in the lab coat and glasses.

@Naysy What setting do you need to change so it doesnt look like 320p? I have the quest 2 in the oculus device setting changes to 120hz and max res. I also have OVR advanced setting on steam that can make game play manageable reading text is often to pixalated to read.

This is an extremely helpful video as we're frustrated with one of our headsets BUT MOREOVER OMG YOUR DRESS at 1:20 is SO forkin cute.

nice video, ironically ive found the psvr 1 move controllers to be the best feel for beat saber, ignoring the basic tracking (but thats about all they were good for)

Banana! Surprising results in the data but I definitely think the conclusion of controller weight makes sense. I'm still northside of I want to upgrade to the bigscreen and lose out on 144hz, but I definitely want that screen.

You’re insane at beat saber this should be the topic of the video lmao

You have a Kelly O vibe and I love it. I wish I could watch her talk about data 😂

Haha Beta I have quest one still. It may crash or just not work sometimes but it's been with me for years!

Welp..I'm rewriting my christmas list... thank you for this video!! Here I thought I needed a pro..but now I think I just need the flippin controllers! Darn it! Banana!!!

As usual, very interesting and informative video! Thanks @Naysy ! Oh, and if I may ask, I've seen your necklace in a couple videos and I'm just curious: what molecule does it represent? Any story behind it?

Great! Now I gotta get Quest pro controllers for my Quest 2! 😮🤔💵

The thing about science is, that it's all about the quality/discipline of the methodology, and the quality of the data in. Bad methodology = bunk data out and bunk conclusions. Bad data in = bunk data out and bunk conclusions. A lot of things can be called "scientific" but the question is how reliable is the data out and the conclusions drawn. I know I am acting overly serious here, don't worry, I know and the video is good fun, and good regardless 👍 hehe. Ideally if scientific a person would publish their methodology, their data, results (data out) and conclusions and this would allow others to peer review their thesis/finding/conclusions and people all over the place would actively try to screw with your results and and prove them to be wrong (not very nice of them lol). Only IF peer reviews came back and couldn't break your conclusions, and accepted your thesis/explanation for the findings would people everywhere rejoice and say Yeaaa - this is science, meaning scientific fact. And a few would be very jealous and annoyed and bang their first, maybe on a table and rather hope that reality was different lol. ^ Forget all that, BIG question... IS all your testing on Quest 2 and Quest 3 etc... Was it stand alone or PC? As the two are VERY different and very likely to substantially affect the data/results/conclusions. fun vid - we all need white coats! 😂

Ok, i’m hopefully attending a augmented reality meet up at the end of the week and went to do a little extra research and I found this video helpful. So here you are: banana.

Still love beat saber on ps4vr. It feels like your holding swords. Also on quest2 i notice frame drops all the time

You are the only person to have gone to innovative heights to test the tracking on the headsets. I wasn't even aware pro controllers work with Q3 and Q2. This is such an informative video. Subbed.

For me I find best personal performance on PSVR 2, but I also have nearly a thousand hours of beat Saber on Quest 2, and got a quest 3 yesterday

I just wanna say Naysy that your videos are seriously hilarious, incredibly clever, and well-done. I'm not sure if you make these videos on your own, but the effort put into them really shows, and I think I enjoy watching your content more than any other VR channel. Keep the great content coming!

Smart glasses review coming up? :)

Great, really . Love your science. 😂

I think the fact that the Quest 3 is still competitive against its newer sibling is pretty banana. Er, bananas. ;) Much as I’d like to add a Steam VR setup to my kit, I’m still pretty happy with my Quest 2. I don’t think I’ll need to upgrade unless there is a major shift, or I suffer a hardware failure.

I've only ever had a PSVR 1 and a PSVR 2 and I completely agree with you. The controllers on the PSVR 2 make it much harder to play well, even compared to PSVR 1, which I loved playing on since the controllers were the most like actual Saber hilts.

Banana. Like your method of comparing them. More practice than theory. Could use a rough comparison in an ambiental game, too.

There's so many factors... stamina, controller settings, tracking optimization, not to mention if you repeatedly do one song, it stands to reason you would improve slightly and then plateau... like I wouldn't be surprised if you just used the same setup for all your takes and came out with similar results. Personally, my ranking in terms of tracker quality for Beat Saber from best to worst: 1. Rift/Rift S - With dedicated sensors for its controllers, it has the most stability and least wobble. The controller itself is lighter than the quest 2/3 not to mention the most well-built. 2. Touch (Quest 2) - very stable, but still has some wobble when compared to the Rift. 3. Quest Pro - decent tracking, but camera based tracking means it has a higher chance of flying off during heated sessions, not to mention it actually occasionally overheats and stops working (literally a notification pops up that says "your controllers are too warm, let them rest for a bit"). 4. Touch Plus (Quest 3) - maybe updates will fix this, but I'm guessing due to the lack of rings like the Q2 controllers, the tracking quality is far less precise. Routinely jumps several inches in random directions, which is terrible for BS. Quest 3 also doesn't have top-facing cameras like the Q2. 5. Knuckles - haven't seriously tested this one yet but lighthouse tracked means it does have good tracking, it's just... heavy and not balanced well, and requires a whole different set of grip settings.

The controllers are more important for this than the headset in isolation, any headset with good responsiveness and clarity will work fine, the controllers on the other hand, weight, form factor and tracking are so important. I've been a lighthouse tracking guy for a while, but recently got the Quest 3 and have been surprised by how good the tracking is, wouldn't say it's as good as lighthouse, but it's far closer than I expected and the controllers are just so much lighter and easier to move without fatigue, so I'll take a 1-2% reduction in tracking for 80% increase in mobility.

banana!! but in all seriousness, this video helped me confirm that i do want to buy the quest 3 (along with your other video where you tried th quest 3 out) more than i thought i do.

Weight is a big factor, maily in the faster maps. The energy you must spend to stop the directions you are cutting and reverse it grows exponetially with the speed and weight. So the ligher the controller the better. So if everything else was the same, the index controller would be the worst to play beat saber.

No cv1 test? I believe that may still be better. As long as you have your sensors and room set up well. The controllers are still my favourite.

What firmware version are your quest 3 controllers?

playing beat saber for hours and hours on end.. for science! very interesting results though. So far Quest3 is better for me because the controllers are so much lighter than Q2 which makes a huge difference, it's almost effortless now.

I know its really old now but i would be curious to see how the tracking on the Original Oculus Rift CV1 with touch controller compared to all these newer headsets.

i got the quest 2 and the pro controllers but im better with quest 2 controllers idk why but i really thank u so much for helping people how i got mods on beat saber was beacuse of you keep doing content ur great

That was Banana levels of science..This help me pick a new VR headset for my upgrade. Had the Vive 1 since it was released & it's time to upgrade it. Still works, but is looking dated. Thanks for the review.

Mad theory - what if PC version of the beatsaber has different settings or slight code changes compared to quest's standalone, that leads to different scores

How about a Quest 2/3 with SteamVR wireless streaming? I don't notice any lag myself, but it must be there. Surely it should be quantifiable in Beat Saber on such a high difficulty?

Maybe your controller offsets with your Index controllers need to be tweaked.

Controller weight is probably the big factor here… migrating from psvr1 stick-like controller to heavier psvr2 gun-like controller made a LOT difference on arm fatigue ! Light stick-like controller is definitely the way to go for fast action cutting action ! Also, i would compare serie average and not peak. And it is very probable that the game make it more forgiving for some platform..,

Hey I play quest 2 and I got used to the weight and I got to play a value index then I played for a bit I noticed the weight was different and it threw me off for a couple minutes but I got even better on value

I've been on the OG Vive for years. Got quite okay at Beat Saber. I tried the Quest 2 once and it's incredibly bad. Like I couldn't believe how much of a delay there was. I didn't realize it used the camera tracking because it was already set up for me. So I guess it's much much easier to setup but the latency penalty is just so not worth it for home use. I'll never go away from light house tracking. I hope Valve releases the Index 2 soon ish so I can upgrade to that.

BANANA Awesome content as usual! Also, love X8. Very fun and games are fast and polished.

IMHO, for it to be a truly level playing field the Quests should all have been on PCVR via Link cable. That'd mitigate any "extra forgivingness" baked into the standalone version of Beat Saber.

The reason you scored better on the quest headsets is because of swing bug, where the headset predicts position between frames. This means higher scores. The swing bug is more powerful on low refresh rate headsets. This means you’d probably do even better on the quest 1

The standalone headsets are more forgiving. 100%. I went from quest 2 standalone to quest 2 pcvr and my scores plummeted. Then I went back to standalone and I was able to beat song that I couldn’t on pcvr with quest 2. Going back again to pcvr after beating it on standalone I wasn’t able to beat it despite feeling like I was performing just as well if not better than on standalone.

How well would you do with the psvr1?

I haven’t run into the haptic issue with the Q3 + pro controllers, but they take a long time to first wake up.

Banana. Great video! Thank you for your awesome content!

Banana... I thought I heard something about the refresh rate affecting scoring somehow, but not sure where. Wish you could have added a Rift S in the test as that's what I use. Great job on the test and video though.

If its about controller weight... Etee's? Lighter than index controllers, still uses lighthouse tracking

I just got the pro controllers for my quest 2, and it was immediately obvious they were so much better for beat saber than the regular controllers. Now when I miss, I know it was my fault. There were so many times with the standard controllers where I swear I sliced that block and it just wouldn't give it to me.

I think the issue with the scores could be the latency when using the BigScreen. You have more latency going out to the PC and back to the HMD. When you play stand alone on the Quest headsets you don't have the latency of having the processing happening at the far end of a cable. Does it contribute more than more forgiving tracking that may be helping you out on the Quests? Who knows, but it is another variable.

Were you running the Bigscreen Beyond at 72hz? I wonder if the Valve Index at 144hz would be any good, it was always my favorite for beat saber, but its so old and low resolution idk if I could ever go back to it anyway.

For the modding it has not worked for me and what is the new version for the modding

Its because latency on standalone headsets like Quest 3 is lower. Plus the Quest 3 Controllers are lighter and smaller.

Was the quest tests done with the native beatsaber game or did you user virtual desktop? If virtual desktop was not used could you do those tests as well?

I think steam beatsaber has smaller tolerance beacuse it thinks you are using outside-in tracking, but on quest there's bigger tolerance.

Banana. Also I was trying to decide if beat saber is something I should consider paying for. If you could do a video on that, that would be cool, or point me to the video you did or someone else who did that

id be curious to see how you'd do with the 1st gen psvr haha

I dare you to play beat Saber on everting possible including with two mice. PS please make this a series

Hey Naysy how about some bloopers that you have posted in the past and also do a clip on how to set up for safety to avoid getting hurt or damaging your home. Sorry to be off topic.

S-tier content yet again Professor Naysy!!! 🙌💙 At least I now have an excuse for my PS VR2 Beat Saber scores 😅

Banana 🍌 You know Naysy this video was pretty good I believe there could be a part 2 to this video somthing just speaks to me when I say it 🐺 💙

Hey Naysy, have you changed your in game controller settings for any one these? If not, the default settings for the knuckles are terrible and could explain why you consistently score lower using the bigscreen beyond. The default angle the saber is aligned to the controller is very different in the knuckles vs quest controllers, so quest could have an unexpected advantage 🤔

I play on the Quest 3 and i watched back my attempt on Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites by Skrillex because i thought i did really well and i noticed some notes i blatantly missed but it let me off. 🤔 So i think that may contribute to your theory that the Quest has more forgiveable tracking to cover up its less accurate tech.

Actually science > trash tier list. Great work!

Banana 🍌 I would love to get some of those Quest Pro Controllers. Ooooohh wee

Hope you get the Apple 🍎 Vision Pro and give us a review.

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Maybe its because you developed a muscle memory due to the inertia of the heavier headset which is now missing in the lighter bigscreen beyond?

Good start, but not including any information about used refresh rate, the Quest 3 and 2 were the only ones that can run above 90hz (excluding PSVR2) and the platform used: Using Quests with PCVR Beat Saber results in latency that alters the experience drastically, is not very scientific at all.

the fact that you can do expert+ is good enough. i can't go higher than normal 🤣😂

Valve index is S tier. Change my mind.

quest 3 + pro controllers god tier

I downloaded the x 8 as it looked fun

The headset doesn't matter. The controllers do. If you have base stations and controllers, any headset will work just fine.

It’s bananas bananas😂😂😂

BANANA Thnx for the thourogh testing, good to know that the tracking is pretty damn good on trhe quest 3 with the right lighting :D

Hi, bmbf v51+ working on Q2 v53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 59 ? thanks