I Played These "Mature" Horror Games So You Don't Have To 

What's really wild is getting upset over a content warning when if you're so big and brave and unbothered... what does it matter?? Some people will happily watch Splinter but avoid watching the comparatively less gory Autopsy of Jane Doe because they have pet cats and don't want to see cat's in pain/dying. Consider you are not the only person in the room who matters and drink your damn water.

@@khanlusa Snowflake

The pin is such a fucking mic drop you’re amazing

I thought this game might've been satire, but it seems to be...well...a lot.

can you hear the pebbles rolling around in that empty head whenever you move it?

Honestly if they just called it The Fuck Dimension that would've at least made me laugh

I’m doing my own rewrite and calling it Lustgard- a definite Human Attempt To Parse The Name.

Honestly, now that I think about; the developers behind whatever this is, had a golden opportunity to create a satire based on horror tropes and they debaunched it.😂

Was going for a new style of horror games inspired by this that I'll call "cosmic comedy", among the "comedic horror" for some contrast on the horror genre

Still coomer garbage anyway, lol

Oohhhh it could've been the Cock of Cthulhu!!

😂😂😂😂😂

*dick tentacles*

That sounds like a bad porn parody title lmao

@@JollyWankerit’s almost definitely a bad porn parody that exists somewhere.

Right after “Willard was right. Let’s-“ I got an ad. It then came back to “- fuck!” And the video went on from there

This kinda reminds me of a video I watched where a guy made a Pathfinder character sheet for XP to Level 3. I think the guy who made video is called Nonat1s. He gave Jacob (aka XP to Level 3) the spell Similacrum, which I think is used to summon a monster. If you summon a succubus, which also has Similacrum, you can keep using the spell. I think the succubi can transform or something like that? It’s been a long time since I wanted the video itself. At one point, Nonat1s was saying something about how Jacob was coming for us all… and I got an ad in the middle of it. So the video ended up going like this: “Jacob and his clones are coming for us? They’re coming for your- Dawn power wash dish soap” This had me cackling for a good minute.

This is probably the only video, where I was relieved that there was an ad.

After that last line, I got an add for the Chris Pratt Garfield movie.

The ad I got was Lily's garden and her saying "I can't stand her". Perfectly aligned

Devs were definitely self indulgent with this one, the games were basically just their not-at-all disguised fetish with the cringiest edge on top 💀

How to do this right: Silent Hill 2

or too horny dev who doesnt understand the basic concept of consent.

​@@BasedOverflow it was written with one hand

oh no more of the ol' set of perceived standards that you have in regards to what's apparently 'mature' and not 'mature' - but also trying to rectify the contrived meanings of what's 'mature' and what's 'adult' and how apparently they don't correspond in 'meaning' because once again, that's your perceived set of standards to how you can determine and objectify the truth in the meaning of 'mature' and what's not mature as well as bringing in a paradoxical term to correlate with the concept of 'maturity'... so apparently, these games have 'very surface level' of presentation of such topics, but you know what is funny, is that you're comment/take/explanation/elaboration or whatever is also pretty 'very surface level' when it comes to your set of perceived standards especially with (i think almost) everyone here in this video, which includes the RU-vidr too, against the seemingly 'very surface level' of presentation and showcase, to which i point out... why can't something that seems to be presented, and showcased with 'simplicity' then can't be exemplified with whatever nuance that comes to be out of its presentation and showcase..? if you want to 'criticise' the games/movies for doing this then why can't you 'criticise' - reality then..? if you can't comprehend nor differentiate nor try to gain an outlook on different perspectives, then you're maybe better off not delving in these types of topics at all with how much (and not just you) it irks your set of perceived standards to what and how its supposed to be 'handled'... gotta love how you and the Hive-Mind here is able to go on a bandwagon, and determine what 'mature' & 'immature' means in actuality, when unironicly it just exemplifies the level of volumes that a certain 'perception' will hold and get in the way of making a video that supposedly 'criticises' against the game for being 'immature' shock-slop with poor handling of 'complex themes' - it's always the survivors/victims/LGBTQ wannabe types that want to determine in its objective form of how to 'handle these complex themes' in juxtaposition of a perception that sets a certain standard of how it's supposed to be 'handled' and how it shouldn't be... its also paradoxical that there are ppl in the comments who criticise the games to be 'immature' shock-slop, but then spew out something that you found 'funny' which isn't far off to the type of 'immature' or childishness that you're going against in this video.

Well, this is one of the conundrums of attempting things like public ratings systems. Thing like humor and taste in horror and such can vary greatly. Silly, immature, and campy things can entertain a lot of people just for being that way while having extremely serious and disturbing subject matter. A lot of stuff with extreme levels of sex, violence, and depravity is funny to a lot of people when presented in certain ways. What's more a lot of people think it's funny when something that is blatantly absurd, is handled with deadpan seriousness (some could argue most normal Americans see most current year left wing politics this way, and the rest of the normal world sees left wing politics this way even more so. A lot of the people they laugh at are being laughed at specifically because they take such absurd, fringe, stuff seriously, even with the subjct matter being 'serious' their take on it and attitudes is hilarious. To put it into perspective, for anyone who read this. Some "extreme" media exists in part to create an actual visual of something so absurd it would never happen. People believing it could happen, except maybe in some kind of weird situations with a different context and wanting to take it seriously also becomes funny. In the real world for example there have been sex cults, and occult societies and so on, and something like the "Lust" series for example does a really campy version of what blending all of that stuff together and having the occult be real, treats it deadpan, and that's sort of the appeal. It's also a kind of offhanded slam on moralists on both sides of the spectrum and designed to get their goats (previously these guys were right wing, now they are left wing) because a lot of them have it in their brain somewhere that stuff like this could happen if wrong think was not stomped out, and the game are in some way showing how silly the whole thing is. I mean, having talked to some fans, a lot think the idea of say there being a portal shaped like a vagina in a dimension even older than humanity, with HP lovecraft tentacles around it is hilarious, because why would something like that.... older than the species it resembles, even exist. Yet the people who are going to freak out about these concepts are never even going to think it through. I would call that series more "camp" than outright parody, but I think most people will get what I'm saying, it's doing a lot of things at the same time. It's designed, knowing who it's offending, and you have to understand those people need to be offended and shown to be the clowns they are, even for people who really aren't into campy horror games, as anything short of this just let's them have more power and move on to more and more things. It's sort of like how the appeal of "Saw" or "Hostel" (which is sort of a misdirect, and blows chips) to a lot of people is because both can create a weird kind of contradictory suspension of disbelief and utter absurdity. In "Saw" for example part of the point is they can go into these rants about an ultra sadistic serial killer who is actual a genuine humanitarian trying to help people, and you can sort of get into the unreality of it, while also thinking "you know, this is kind of insane in a dumb way, but still oddly fun" (well if you like horror). See, it's sort of like how leftists in particular right now get upset about ideas like sexualized torture killers and how "some things must always be taken seriously", and they miss that they are part of the gag when people do stuff like this. See to normal people, if you want to hurt or kill someone for revenge or whatever, your just going to say shoot them and then dumb them in an incinerator or dump them in a creek or bury the body in the woods somewhere. The logistics of setting up these scenarios are pretty daunting, which is why it pretty much doesn't happen, and when people have generally tried it they have gotten caught due to the sheer number of variables. It's why things like snuff flicks and red rooms do not exist, and likely never will exist... beyond the lack of an actual, interested, audience, who would also have the money to make it viable if the problems could be solved. The number of details your average work of "torture porn" that drives the left into a mouth frothing rage glosses over (which smart people realize) is staggering, including very basic ones. Likewise when any details are covered, typically it's done by our ridiculous killer having ridiculous resources invested in getting their jollies off. The problem with that latter one is that if someone really wanted to do that and had the money they could invest a fraction of it to just go to some shithole country and pay to murder someone. A lot of parents will sell their children really cheap in large parts of the world. It's sad, pathetic, and not all that exciting like a movie, but that would be the real version, and likely how it's done. I mean instead of "Hostel", a business like that might just have some boat or platform out in international waters, and then just get their "Talent" by buying people from third world countries (corrupt official paid to arrest some pretty girl under false charges, and then giving her to you when she's sentenced to die for immortality of some sort anyway for example). The sick thing is, there's very likely ways of doing stuff like that where it effectively wouldn't even be illegal due to not being in any national territory, and having paperwork for an execution from a country where torture is legal (a really crappy one). No one does it probably because there is no market for it. It's why we don't have a corporation like "Snuff International" contracting out to privatize the prison systems of shithole countries due to actually being able to make the fortune by selling horrible rapes and execution on the internet.... crazy, but think about it. If this was viable as a business, guaranteed someone would have made "Snuffcatraz" close to some craphole country, just on the edge so as to be outside of any national juristifiction, but close enough to viably be protected by their warlord business partners. We'd be getting ads for the next pay per view murder or red room here on youtube, and with the greenbacks rolling in companies like Google would likely be partners and present different. They don't, not because of morality, but because there is no money in it.

@@jeremyrichard2722 You wrote a college thesis in response. This isn’t me making fun of you or anything i genuinely find it impressive.

Controversial, but such 'thesis' are the only worth reading comments in general.@@Annonimous1000

​@@karazakiakuno4645because talking a lot is a clear sign of being well researched. It can't ever just be someone who doesn't know how to structure their thoughts in a clear and concise way.

@@jeremyrichard2722 I *think* I understand? I don't agree, and honestly, the fact you included comments about politics and sensitivity doesn't help. It's hard to agree when your point seems to be "people take fiction too seriously" but you then type a rant which goes so far to include mocking left-wing politics and hypotheticals that honestly, probably exist in some regard. I can't help but feel you are more concerned with people's reactions than the subject you discuss.

I did enjoy Supereyepatchwolf's video on the first game 👌

These games do seem more on the certain 18+ side of things. Basically, the “artists/writers’ barely disguised f*tish” imo lol. Nothing wrong with it, I think they should be more honest tho.

In my view, both these games and F&H are using SA & S&M on a very surface level. These seem to want to do the 80s horror movie thing about scaring you and then arousing you. You get to see monster, then boobs; repeat for 75 min. F&H is using these themes as an aesthetic- a very effective and disturbing aesthetic, but still just an aesthetic. Neither treats these themes with any real weight or care. They both feel exploitative to sexual trauma and non-mainstream sexual expressions. As an example of a film that handles some of these themes with much more empathy, the film “Shame” is a look at the very complicated subject of sex addiction. I feel a human connection in something like “Shame” or even the much grittier French film “Irreversible”.

@@khanlusaIf you don't mind spoilers, wormgirl has a very long video on both FH games which pretty much follows a full playthrough, very recommended

This. F&H is the only game that handles this subject right, while also being interesting.

RE:7 was my first thought after he said Silent Hill 2 lol

I have a feeling Outlast did a better job of portraying Lustful Cult

Dead space too, damn what's up with horror games and missing wives?

​​@@Cappuccino_Rabbitquick and easy inciting incident to force a guy into The Horrors

​@@Cappuccino_Rabbitthe worst part was searching for your wife was the sidequest, poor Isaac was there to fix an antenna.

probably for those with an emotional overinvestment in a niche genre made at a low point in pursuit of escapism. Probably followed by an episode of heavy sunk cost fallacy resulting in an oversimplified positive review after they endure finishing the game... (this was me with isometric ARPGs minus the "niche genre")

I could assume that its for people who unironically enjoy movies such as A serbian film or Cannibal Holocaust for "those" scenes specifically. Its a difficult fact to accept, but an audience for this does exist (has been a for long time). The human mind is truly something...

I think maybe they are just not very skilled writers. They want to emulate the psychosexual vibes of summer break slasher movies and jam them together with creepypasta shit and they are not good at writing either of those things yet.

I don't know, I felt pretty terified being chased around the hotel by "leather daddies" 😂

I suggest that these are also for duder with beer who plays it with friends for lulz and then wrote sarcastic/ironic comment. I'm this sort of type myself, who buy explicitly bad games like "Hentai vs Furry" or smth on sales just to kek on it.

oh noooooo 😭😂

Everything’s the same but all of the “pigs” are just regular humans with the bdsm nose hook thing

It's Amnesia but Slaanesh has entered chat, Alexander's voice lines are replaced with Billy Harrington quotes and audio recordings, the monsters are daemonetes, and Daniel did something worse. Like a miniature adaption of Fulgrim in one human body

Imagine in amnesia rebirth if (spoiler alert) tasi's child didn't die becayse of an illness, but because of a miscarriage and the deal that the empress (or whatever her name was) was trying to make resulted in her impregnating tasi.

Would play

Granted, the reason 40k is mostly better is that someone is standing there with a big sign reading "don't go into it or we can't sell it to 11-year-olds".

@anon9469 daemonculaba

@@anon9469 Yeah, the only topics Warhammer handles tastefully are the ones that parents will get up in arms about. Which is so weird to me, because Servitors exist? My mom would take one look at that and ban me from it until I'm at least 16. Heck, I'm 27 and sometimes I don't feel old enough to linger too long in 40k's lore. It's very in-your-face horror and death in everything except one way.

Are we talking about the same Wh40k, the one that has the Daemonculaba?

well she was forced/brainwashed into doing so...p sure in the happy relationship w her fiance she could get off just fine but the cult wanted to cuck him

It do be like that sometimes

many such cases

This is what anti abortion fanatics believe women love to do lmaooooo

Bro acting like people don’t do this irl

I can fault their writing but not their creativity lmao

It’s been done before in games like Chernobylite, but I feel like it especially helps in this game. It’s bad enough that all you see is SA and gore, but imagine putting a face to that. Imagine having to animate that. And imagine the worst Elder Scrolls puppet looking face during all those scenes of debauchery and gore. Masks were the only right call this game had lol.

​@@plugshirt1762 I wish that they had use those platinum-made-brain-cells for writing instead.

@@Ckoz2829 wow never thought i would see chernobylite being mentioned anywhere

@@plugshirt1762 I can fault their creativity. Aside from using a mask to hide the faces, they don't really seem to have explored the setting they created to it's fullest.

On my first playthrough that mission was the moment my stealthy Non-Lethal approach ended.

To make it worse, SPOILERS * * * While V definitely has reasons to track down Christine prior, thanks to the whole Relic thing, I don't think the average player would want what happens to her in the end to happen for several reasons. The whole Judy sidestory, romance or not, is an interesting and mature take on sexwork in general IMO and some of the horrors that comes from it in the cyberpunk world.

With you there. Scavs don't deserve mercy, even the downed ones get finished off.@@vennicerunnos

To be fair, gore porn can still be done maturely. Like the first Outlast. But it's not violation for the sake of it. It's violation as an introduction into what the characters are all about. Dr. Trager comes to mind.

I'd be much more disturbed with titles like "Tear Her A New One" in that context, tbh.

Isn't Scorn porn scorn already? I definitely felt the "this is someone's fetish" at every turn

Scornography

The thing is we have the game Jericho for that

@@Reac2 not at all

scorn came out years later so

Most hentai games don't work on this type of logic though...

@@RaifSeverence i think they mean hentai anime not games, there are tons that have the whole "r word then until they like it" plot

@@bethanywashington4914 Well the idea isn't that come to like it, it's that they're mind broken and basically hypnotized... not to say that really makes it any better, but yeahhhhhhhhh. That concept is quite a weird one to mess with. Especially worse in the acted real life stuff

@@pufflord_gamesonicsoloesyo2365 I know "mind breaking" ones but I'm thinking more about the " dubious consent" themed ones where the person starts of saying no and it's obviously not something they want only for them to end up enjoying it and seeking out the person who did that to them. Both are odd and uncomfortable lol

@@bethanywashington4914 Ah thought so, makes more sense with your og comment looking back. I will say though, I'm into a lot of whacky stuff, and even I have no idea how people find that stuff appealing. Having a friend that's into that kinda stuff, I'm even like how? But at the end of the day, as long as it aint in front of my face, I dont care. Kinda hard to avoid sometimes honestly tho. Either way, I entirely agree they're odd.

Heck, just make a full game about sex addiction ! That would be both horrifying enough, and allow focus on the porn to make it better for the loonies who want to jerk off of a videogame.

so you’re saying you want a story of the eye videogame

There are plenty of indie Eroge that actually do that they're just less rigidly scripted and give the player full agency to expore the various areas. Even just giving the player the option to reload a save to work out how to get around an SA scene or letting the player choose to repeat the scene with more consensual descriptions is enough to actually use porn cliches to actually say something via just basic integration with game mechanics.

*cough* Bloober. Seriously though, why do so many people land on that conclusion? It’s pretty obvious who the villain is, the person who actually did the bad thing.

@@HiBuddyyyyyy literallly. Should not be hard to realize but apparently it is. I thought it'd be common sense but clearly not💀

what's intimacy horror? Like finding out your loved one has a violent side to them but claims that they did it all for you?

@@4T3hM4kr0n intimacy IN horror- as in sexual content in a horror setting, sorry😅 I didn't want to risk the creator getting demonetized or having my comment removed so i phrased it kinda weird

You can mention sex in the comments, or else every major RU-vidr would get banned for things they can't control

"They can't be all gold" Black Mage

Interesting

Agreed. Also I find that when people try so very hard to make something sexy it just circles around to being unsexy, so that makes it that much easier for scorn to win that.

Scorn is a big HEAR ME OUT of mine..

The glucky machine

@@garlicbreadstick404 the zloppy toppy machine

They have the subtlety of a falling elephant

This is true. They either reject it or it's they become obsessed with it

It’ll never end because victims hardly ever become abusers. Abusers can come from anything, they can have healthy childhoods and just be sick in the head. They can go from a tame subject and escalate to crimes, going further and further each time, and victims properly treating their trauma doesn’t mean that they won’t be hurt again or that they’re helping to end a cycle. Abusers will always exist.

It's actually more frequent than not, that victims then become abusive if they don't treat their trauma properly. Something about interiorization of the abuse.

And the game devs did not think of that

​@alexgac1801 this is true. Speaking from experience

Genuinely, yes, they clearly worked hard on the visual elements/design, there's a lot of grotesquely sexual and biomechanical imagery, it's neat. The writing is just a dumpster fire.

Imagine how different it could have been if they had a single person on the team without the weird "sex is degenerate" worldview. Or even just. A single woman.

@@apathy_syndromesurely that’s the problem here

I adored all the visuals of the games, but agree that the story was meh including gameplay. Maybe if they ever make a third they could fund the writing department 😄

There were some genuinely cool looking assets in this video (loved the masks and some of the hallway textures). Real shame their only use might ever be "Edgelord: The Game"

Quite! I'm one of the horniest creatures on the planet and but I've only had like 3% of the sex I've wanted to have because I'm also mega-repressed and shy. Anytime I'm in a relationship, that dude's gettin' bruised south of the border by everything south of MY border, but it would never be anything but consensual because I am also a fluffy bunny inside. Horny people can be sweethearts too. Even when they're also BDSM aficionados. Hell, one of my boyfriends didn't work out because I only wanted to tie him down, blindfold him, and give him orders; not beat his cheeks purple like he craved.

And people that are into BDSM stuff are the most chill people I know and just do their stuff when they and their partner is in the mood. And for me the sex part is the most boring one of a BDSM relationship, I love to just be tied up and cuddle with my mistress at night and then talk a little and then maybe do something more horny if we both are in the mood.

Or that people who practice BDSM are animals.

I mean most the police reports literally have these things in those types of behavioral actions and doings. I mean you can't complain about it if it's part of the case.

I want a game where the protagonists are BDSM horndogs going up against an ultra puritan Villain who comes up with all these convoluted schemes and is VERY abusive physically and emotionally, and a male protagonist that comes from a Christian background goes "dude it sounds like you REALLY need to masterbate. Trust me, you'll feel so much better and lose all this pent up sexual tension you've got going on. Seriously I studied the Bible front to back. It's fine."

It's got some interesting ideas with the whole 'the whole otherworld is a prison for its gods, who are trying to con mortals into helping them escape'... if it didn't insert 'fucking' as an adjective after every noun in that sentence.

Well, honestly most of this out of world views is quite boring. Endless caves and roots. How inventive.

That yonic statue was pretty dope, too

Oh yeah, there were a lot of neat visuals and they clearly worked hard with the Giger inspirations.

Dead, I think...

Alcohol poisoning by the middle of the first game if we're lucky.

Rest in rip Alcohol poisoning

Pretty sure your liver would be finished before the game was... at least the second one.

We'd be so dead we wouldnt exist

That’s what I was thinking. This is just Slaanesh with less rock n roll

This entire game is just POV: You’re an eldar on commoragh hours before your kind birth the spookiest chaos god

Even Slaanesh would find this trite.

@@anothernerd6464 And less color.

@@StarboyXL9 Slaanesh: yes yes, I *get* that you have a thing for dismemberment. But can we please have something else?

The fact that Darkwood doesn't even have any scripted jumpscares and still manages to force you to crap is awesome I still remember camping in the corner of every single night until the end of the game😂 And the third hideout was much more scrarier than the swamp hideout in my opinion - ain't surviving in a tight asylum surrounded by red chompers😭

I mean, that line is pretty edgy, and was likely written in that "oh, that's so edgy/'deep', it's gonna freak out all the stuck up prudes, man" mindset, I could see it being used unchanged in an actually serious context where themes about cycles of abuse and trauma were explored... this game just isn't that.

@@RipOffProductionsLLC It's not about exploring cycles of abuse and trauma. It's about following up the twist ending of the first game while also disturbing you.

visceral disgust is horror too-- that's the essence of body horror, Grand Guignol-style horror and splattercore.

@@dangerszewski9816 I’m just annoyed, not disgusted or horrified.

You'd be surprised how often those lines cross in some people. Could be the most downright gross thing, and yet it just works for some random dude.

@@_DMNO_ *cough cough* yandere dev

like bro we kill each other on a daily basis and we got so good at it we started beginning ourselves to stop

Don't sully the good name of Gorn. That game may be all about beating the crap out of people, but at least it isn't perverted.

@@_DMNO_ Oh Gorn the game having that name is perfectly fine since the game itself is good at being self-aware of how over the top it is lol

Giger and Cronenberg popularised it. plants but flesh is a pretty simple jump, afterall a field of flowers is a field of sex organs.

There's a horror in feeling that you're inside something, but this absolutely does not nail it. The correct way to do it is to bring all the weird things bodies do: veins and arteries pulse to a heartbeat (bonus if your goal is the heart, to destroy it), membrane sphincters stickily open and then spasm shut, mucus glistens on some of the surfaces, ulcer-ridden floors mark paths irritated by the feet of previous travellers, some of the corridors shove you forward with rippling all through them like a mimicry of peristalsis, some coridors widen and shrink with gusts of air back and forth as the thing breathes with you in its airway, strange side tunnels chewed through muscle tissue hint at parasites large enough to devour YOU if you encountered them, somewhere in that unknown creature you're trapped within... You know, make you uneasy by shoving the knowledge you are exploring something living, breathing, moving, right in your face. Most flesh levels forget that part of why the gross uneasiness works at making the player want OUT of that level FAST.

@@emikochan13"a field of flowers is a field of sex organs" Straight out of my fantasies.

"Half-Life was the first to do it" And there's your answer.

@@anon9469 he means the first to make parallel dimensions compact meat caves not the first to have a parallel dimension

Please please please tell me this is real

Is it?

@@alpha_9997 well the "Dean Learner" isn't real, though the comedy shows he was used in are real

@@Sarydormi tragedy. An honest to god tragedy

I _do_ love scary porn; you got me there.

Was about to say “this is just slaanesh”

Honestly what we got is probably about as deep into Slaanesh territory as the game coulda gotten while still being allowed on Steam.

@@morgantodd3748 No there's some Slaaneshi routes in plenty of eroge on steam. The problem with this game is it wants to look like a more expensive Amnesia but the team don't have Frictional's Experience and writing or a doujin community to compete with like the better Japanese erotic horror games.

I don’t want to defend this game but I will say this is kind of a weak criticism. The game doesn’t need to talk down to the audience and explain that “kinks are good as long as everyone is consenting.” This game is made for adults and doesn’t need to teach people such a basic lesson about consent. The point is that the SA and assault is horrifying and the player should be horrified. Granted, the game does a bad job at conveying that because the imagery is so rampant and blunt that you just become numb to it while playing, it ceases to be horrifying as intended and just becomes annoying as it tries desperately to go “ooo look isn’t this gross and scary???”

​@@kingcyclops4079I completely agree! The topic of a sex crazed cult definitely has potential to be a cool horror game but it needs to be done in a way that is correct and doesn’t involve non consented acts

@@kingcyclops4079 Fair point. I 100% agree on the numbness. And yes you're right these things are meant to be portrayed as horrifying. I think for me it was just that they displayed k1nks AS the grotesque parts. Like "ooo look at how taboo!!" while also lumping them together with SA and murder and mutilation. Obviously not the nuance I expect from this game but I just wish there were more separation.

Like the game could have gone steadily more creepy and/or messed up as the 'bad' influences started to take hold of the "good" cult and we watch them become more vicious and evil over time. Turning something positive into something awful- watching the horror unfold as your character is unable to do anything about it. But the fact that one cult was a sad1sm light and the other was sad1sm BIG felt lazy.

@@mjoberg6695 I would say the better way would be to have the horror instead be more psychological. You and your wife meet this cult and thinking it’s just some nice commune full of people who are a little too open but still nice. But as the game goes on, hints are dropped throughout the experience that something is wrong. Your wife becomes more involved in the cult’s rituals til eventually you try to just casually leave after an argument with your wife but then you are kidnapped and taken cult’s dungeons. Now the game can be more harder with its subject and lean into horror. We are shown how over time people get indoctrinated, maybe the wife is miserable and turns to the cult for support that the husband can’t provide or they help heal her trauma. You see the members of the cult and how seemingly normal they are on the surface before it’s revealed much later how the cult has warped and twisted their lives. The goal in my hypothetical is to show the real horror in how evil can hide in plain sight and manipulate you and even go as far as to normalize their behavior. The later part if the game can delve into the whole cosmic horror stuff but what’s more important is to show the cult members as people first, get to know them and sympathize with them til it’s eventually revealed how dangerous the cult actually is. This can make the player feel both sympathy and dread towards the cult members as they are also being manipulated like the wife but they’re also antagonists who have done horrible things but to what extent they did so freely is subjective to how the player views the cult as a whole.

Amanda's delivery on "let's fuck" took me out, I had to get up from the desk and wheeze elsewhere 😂💀

For some people adding Sex randomly seems to count as maturity.

> We should make a sex game, that always sells well. > We should make a horror game, that's popular in the indie scene. > We should combine these in the worst way possible.

​@@anon9469as opposed to the best way, which is how "sucker for love" was created

because we're talking about two things. Mature can either mean "related to things we consider to be bad for kids to see" but also "an advanced understanding and portrayal." The latter isn't going to get marketed as a "mature" game. Nobody hears "mature game" and thinks "wow, this is going to have a balanced and sober depiction of complex topics."

As a polish person honestly im very disturbed

@@byofloral and as someone who's Polish too I have a whole soup of feelings about this

I dunno something like this is more of a Finnish game

@@bobskywalker2707 maybe but polish people can create very weird things

Polish people can be very creative and innovative, but are mostly able to talk about s3x only when drunk... And then it's simply disgusting and nothing more...

I do agree that Silent Hill treats this scenario respectfully, but I would argue that not showing the scene doesn't make it more respectful; there is a terror and visceral nature to seeing SA that can't be captured just in the after-effects, and authors should be allowed to do that. Whether they handle that well or not is up to how good the author is at that. For example, Fear and Hunger handles SA pretty well; it's fucked up, it's painful to watch, and it doesn't come off in any way as pretentious or tryhard, it's just presented as a "it happened and now you live (or die) with it" fashion. The depiction of it, however, is pretty damn visceral and not censored at all. Berserk is a more famous example; Guts has a very terrible past, and his sexual trauma does not get shied away from in its depiction.

@@theoneslayer8560 I agree, I didn't mean you can't show a scene of someone being abused, but it's more that a lot of the time when it is shown it comes across as fetishy and trying to shock the audience (13 reasons why is a good example on a piece of media having a scene of a character being abused and it comes across as trying to be as gross as possible just to shock the audience) but like you said both Fear and Hunger and Berserk show these scenes but it doesn't come across as trying to be edgy or the writers gross fetish, it's to show the cruel reality of these characters lives and how it effects them

I feel like Rule of Rose also handles SA and more serious topics better than most horror games.

It’s fictional, it doesn’t matter imo. From a csa survivor, I mean, yeah they could treat it with “care,” but that could be said with every form of violence in media. Also, the “writer’s barely disguised f*tish” lol.

"For me, it's always like this." will haunt me 4evr. One of my most persistent thoughts thru this video was "It's as if the devs thought Abstract Daddy was the coolest thing in SH & threw away all the meaning + gameplay beyond visceral Abstract Daddy-ness".

It is Lovecraftian though? There’s weird beings from who-knows-where and cultists and what-not. It’s just that somebody decided to go public with their weird, culty, rape fetish. For some reason.

@@derekeastman7771 It looks like it but it does not feel like it heck if i remember howard lovecraft mention he was uncomfortable with the topic of sex wich is why the eldritch gods appeared just because and it takes more than just alien beings from who knows where and cults for the game to be classed as lovecraftian.

It's more like Warhammer than Dante.

@@morgantodd3748 oh how so what reminded you of warhammer?

@@thehorrorarchivers7347 It's Slaanesh cult stuff.

Never be like that game. The creator got caught liking children. 💀

@@neonrelmsproductions4224 Of course he did........

Yeah that’s called a jumplove instead of a jumpscare (I have been exposed to too much on the internet)

@@neonrelmsproductions4224 i tried to search about that and didnt find any thread exposing her, were did you get that info?

@@matiascardullo7637 for one thing, a woman didn't make that game so already you're looking in the wrong direction. 💀

To the last sentence specifically... why is that so common and stuff?

@@ultimatecultchaos I think it's so common beacuse nowadays a lot of people try to educate girls and younger women on pregnancy and birth by frankly obessivly hammering in every single risk, negative and the worst possilbe outcomes of it inlcuding how having a baby will ruin their body and life forever and offers them no benifit etc. etc. The problem is this isn't even fully true and it's often so hammered in that it makes most women and girls utterly terrifed of it as a living nightmare. WHich funny enouph south park a long time ago made an episode all about, calling out how a lot of education about it was litearly just bashing girls over the head with every single negative and gross thing about it practically traumatising them.

What was the South Park episode btw?

@@vannessaisapeckneck4618 Episode 7 of the 5th season. I can't post it's name due to youtube rules. Just look it up and you'll see why.

​@@naciabell7903hon, I was one of those girlies educated on pregnancy when growing up, and actually still wanted it. Its not usually telling people the consequences of sex that causes s fear of pregnancy. Also, sex ed usually doesnt hammer in every gorey potential? You're either grossly exaggerating or felt that any detail is too much detail. Is this a yank thing? Or maybe you shouldnt use South Park as a source. I do know that a large part of the fear of pregnancy is the fact that its expected of womb-haver to squeeze out babies no matter what, though sometimes its a fear of commitment thing. Those aren't sex ed problems, those are a, societal value problem (or a sex ed problem in that people should use protection or abortions but thats still largely a values thing). Obviously, its often also a body horror thing (fear of something growing inside you, fear of your body changing), but thats not the only way pregnancy squicks people out?

same i'm worried for my recommended now lol

That last sentence can pretty much sun both of these games up.

That is an interesting thought. So maybe this is kind of carthasis. A liberating act before something really mature can happen... So does this mean... Steam hits puperty now?

Even if that's not the case, there will always be people who just want to push the boundaries just for the shock value.

Yeah I think so too. It is same for early +18 manhwas and it is still going on. Most mature content in manhwas are focusing on the taboo subjects and spectacle of it rather than realism, pshychological accuracy,character building,story etc. Completely normal people with caring personalities somewhat turn into a sex freaks in bed that do non con or rape. After that victim doesnt even get trauma or some shit. Even the ones with normal relationships start with sex in the first chapter and they start fucking around like rabbits every two chapters because they put the smut tag so they need to milk it dry. As a person who is used to read ffs with little to no sex scenes or sex scenes only given thought bonus chapters. This kinda behaviour is weird for me. I dont wanna read a 50 chapter porn we have one shots for that,I wanna read 50 chapter substance or I am gonn leave bwcause if wantwd porn I would go for porn.

@@vivil2533 sure, there are always folks pushing boundaries, but once a boundary "brakes" and a regulation/ban gets lifted or taboo becomes excepted(often because enough boundary pushers wore it out and no one cares anymore) then those folks need to go farther or simply become part of the "norm". In a way that sort of was the topic/"theme" the game almost kinda tries to touch on with the degenerative lust obsessed cult and the god they worship.

It might be used as a tool to get you out of your comfort zone by pushing the non-standart upon you, we are so used to blood and gore nowadays that for some reason sexual depictions repulse us more so it feels like a more powerful tool. Games with a sensitive understanding of this use the threat of r*** to make you feel helpless and powerless rather than... what this game did with it.

@@masterblaster2678 Even the porny and insensitive version becomes at least interpretable as interesting commentary by giving more control to the player and pulling back on the scripting. But if you're going to be producing pregnancy horror don't hire a writer who's only scared of other people getting pregnant and expect relatable protagonists out of them.

Personally, I'm a lot more disturbed by sexual themes than gore/physical violence. I can see real gore and not be bothered in the slightest. Sexual violence however, always puts me off. It's gross and it's just worse than blood or death.

I'm glad most people are understanding the point I wanted to make b/c god damn it this can be done well, they just didn't do anything with the subject matter.

But it wouldn't be viscerally repulsive if everyone was just blissed out and the portals took you to your happy place. It'd be uncomfortable at worst.

No idea how you can bundle in outlast with this game when they are completely different???

@@hamburger3797 I think it's mostly the rape & sexual abuse that can happen to the protagonists

And instead of getting jumpscared, you get your feet and toes licked

It reminds me of a hentai games where the protagonist got tortured by sadistic nurses to treat his "fountain" disease

Oh yeah, the masks are actually pretty impressive.

The visuals are the problem though. The high fidelity and chasing those graphics hurt it. If it was a 2d game in a tile based engine with similar art design and the cult's mansion slowly transformed and re-arranged as you did puzzles and the reality's merged and there was almost none of this character dialogue just the player character being able to actually interact with the environment it would work so much better.

Unironically the only thing I picked them up on deep sale for, but it's disappointing to find out that this isn't even good smut.

I had to find some way of making the youtube guidelines happy amusing 😭

the art direction definitely had some good ideas, maybe a bit too derivative of H R Geiger, but that's to be expected considering just his work on Alien and Species

Now that I think about it, you’re right

I think a lot of the individual limb assets and limb-filled containers are Unity assets. The naked ones though, if they have "anatomical detail" I think are modified assets. There's a strange amount of variation for unclothed cadavers that already exist, but they, for obvious reasons, don't have that anatomical detail. You can however get assets that are just genitalia and slap them onto an asset, it's a more involved process than I make it sound but it is possible. I'm not an expert, I don't even know the term for it, I just call it asset grafting.

And I didn't even mention the sex QTEs 😂😭💀

Its not Lovecraftian its 'Clive Barker if he'd read Lovecraft and fanfiction of his own works rather than George Bataille'. Its all good ideas and visual design the problem is having no talent in any other department.

The idea was there but imo the puzzles and scavenger hunts while being hunted brought it down heavily. Like with Agony or Scorn. I hate that horror games are supplemented with puzzles to drip feed story to the player. I love the ideas these games bring but without the puzzles, unfortunately they would only last about an hour.

A good example of erotic horror is killing stalking in my opinion. kinda sad that it gets misinterpreted so often. Another great suggestion is happy sugar life (but it's not really erotic. Rather a look into the horrors of love)

​@@strawberry_silk3364 thank god happy sugar life isn't erotic almost everyone in that show is already going to jail for something we don't need to add csa to that list

​@@strawberry_silk3364 no offense, but killing stalking kinda sucks

The Eldar

​@@StarboyXL9the eldar cooked up Slaanesh