As a former IKF (International Kart Federation) racer, engine mechanic in the military and currently 45 years aerospace general machinist & tool and die maker, it warms my heart to see a young guy with mechanical skills and a brain put them to use. Kudos to you young man.
I stumbled across this video and watched it and I enjoyed it. I am a retired professional fabricator that ran my own fabrication shop for 30 years. I commented to my wife that this kid is quite impressive. It’s nice to see young folks building and designing things like we old guys used to do. Keep it up 👍 you are practicing a dying art.
Cool story Sir. I just retired sheet metal fab welder. I'm chilling with my Segway Ninebot Pro go cart! I like electric. The technology is ahead of the laws. And my Segway, I can ride anywhere. Bothers nobody!
I really enjoy seeing young, innovative people doing their thing. Don't stop, please. You give us old genX guys some hope and some satisfaction, knowing the things we love and understand will live on. Thanks, Bubba.
2 things stick out about the failure. 1 use bigger gears, less torque lost on small diameter sprockets, don't go huge but a 15-17 tooth would reduce parasitic power loss at that point. (I'm not a certified engineer, just some random dude that stayed at a holiday in express a couple times). 2nd, Outer shaft support. Run a nose off the outside with a bearing to reduce stress on the cast aluminum housing that failed. (I'm a welder/machinist/tool maker) having a "nose support" like on a coyote motor crank support for running a blower as well as timing chains to keep the crank from snapping off. Your weak point doesn't look to be the gears themselves, but the housing. Reinforce the shaft and housing on next go round. Good luck man! Stuff like this makes me hopeful for the next generation of gear heads.
Hi, I had a Go Kart when I was a kid, in 1965. I started with a Soap Box Derby Cart that my cousin dropped off when he was done with it. It was wooden and had foot steering. Living on a dirt road, it wasn't much fun to push it around, so I took Dad's lawn mower apart and put the frame and everything including the "reel mower blade" under the back end of it. Eventually the "reel" blade was taken off, and as you would expect it only went about 3 mph but I was encouraged by self propulsion. So, I improved it when I found an old Radio Flyer Wheel that the rubber had came off of and used it for a pulley. I drilled holes through the Soap Box Derby Wheel and bolted the Radio Flyer Wagon Wheel to it. I went directly from the engine to the "wheel/ pulley" with a belt using a centrifugal belt clutch on the 3 hp engine. That was a major improvement, it went about 25mph. On my first trip down my street, when I turned the corner the board the engine was "nailed" to broke and the engine fell off and it went tumbling down the street with me by the throttle cable. Then, somebody put a Go Kart frame made out of 1 1/4" water pipe up for sale for $20. I combed the ditches for 2¢ & 5¢ beer & pop bottles, did odd jobs and mowed grass until I could buy it. That one got an 8hp Briggs & Stratton CAST IRON engine with a centrifugal chain clutch. 10 teeth on the clutch and 40 teeth on the axle #35 chain with 4.10 x 3.50 x 12" tires. It went 50mph. I lived on a dirt road, so all of my early Karts had 3 or 4 inches of ground clearance and needed to be able to handle dirt and grass. My last Kart was a low rider with rack & pinion steering. It had an 8hp Aluminum Briggs with a milled head to increase compression ratio, 2 spark plugs running from 2 car coils using a motorcycle battery for ignition. 2 spark plugs made 2 flame fronts acting like advancing ignition timing. Geared 4 to 1 at about 6,000 rpm that Kart went about 55mph. Lots of get up and go, and low center of gravity made it a blast to run. But by then I was moving on to cars. It was a great beginning though and I attribute it to my advancing into automobiles which ultimately landed me at The General Motors Proving Ground in Milford Michigan doing experimental work in advanced engineering. I'm retired now. The last thing I worked on was the Hydrogen Fuel Cell, and I just saw a RU-vid video where Mary Barra GM CEO is going to veer away from battery powered EV and go to Hydrogen Fuel Cell powered EV. That's some heady shit right there boy! I hope you can gain something from what I have written here. ben/ michigan
Shifting technique with a sequential is important to the life of the gearbox. You don't need a clutch, you just need to go from a state of load on the transmission to a state of decel. You want to shift inbetween those two where the gearbox has no load on it. For instance, hard on the throttle, light tug of the shift lever, quick lift of the throttle and it'll drop into the next gear. For a down shift, gentle press forward and tap the throttle. It'll fall into the lower gear.
In other words, lash and unlash the dogs. Cars will use a strain gauge on the shifter to kill ignition to unload the box. A momentary kill switch on the shifter could be put to use if pedaling it doesn't.
Elegant fabrication and attention to details. And an impressive grasp of design flaws. No shame in breaking parts; it's called research and development! Stay after it, young man; you will go far!
I'm 68 years old and this is exactly what we were doing back in the day. Actually I still have scars on my left foot from riding my mini bike in the field and getting it underneath a chain-link fence because I was going to fast and didn't quite make the turn. I dragged it for a pretty good distance before I could shut my mini bike down, Of course my mom freaked out from my ripped up foot, oh well, She took me to the hospital which was nice of her LOL.... guys, you're living the dream and you're going to be okay, I couldn't even begin to guess how many people out here are so absolutely proud of you guys.
I'm not surfing through all the comments to find out if anybody mentioned this but _you used 'way way' too much grease_ in that transmission. Stuffing it like that causes pressure to build up inside, enough too blow out and break the housing as you found out. I seriously doubt the input shaft broke because of the tensioner you made, much more likely the pressure build up was the cause. I'm a retired engineer, I've worked with tons of gearboxes like that over 40 years. Just saying not bragging brother, I really love your adventure with the Go Cart 👍😁
All I can say is, I am damned right impressed. This is what we as young teens did when I was growing up 45-50 years ago. Now 63, It is so refreshing to see a young man living life clean and not being tied to an electronic screen of some sorts. Kudo's young man... you have the whole world in the palms of your hands.
Tip from an old fart. Level out your audio levels so the voice is not low compared to the music. Very good for an old mechanic to see the younger generations keep up what we tinkerers started with back in the days :) So young and already welding and fabricating working prototypes. Impressive sir. I wish you the best in not burning out early, keep your interests alive by having many factors to fiddle with is my absolute best tip to never get anything finished ;) Also helmets are cool, brain damage is not. One impaired driver heading towards you and you are done for sir. Helmet!
Man this world needs more young innovative young people like you. Don't listen to the looser saying it was a waste of time or you should of... They have no respect and envy your skill. Nice work.
A suggestion, when you ramp the music up, maybe a little less. Every time the music ramped up I had to turn it down, and then back up to hear you speaking.
I used the same gear box in my lawnmower racing days. You need to open it up and remove the grease and close it up with RTV around the edges and put gear lube in it. You can get it in there after removing the neutral safety switch on the top of the case. The grease flings off of the gears when you run it at such high RPMs and you will burn up the trans pretty damn quick with the grease and not the gear lube. PS a lil will leak out of the 4 brass bushings, but there's not much you can do about it.
I'm with the last guy. Too many young people with their eyes glued to a screen these days. This thing you do with tools and knowledge....That's cool. Keep up the good work. People notice.👌
I'm 25 and I'd be friends with him me and my buddy actually built one with a 3 speed ours was alot more janky cause we were in highschool and alot less funds but aye
I'm a retired design engineer who worked at NASA's manned space flight center. I did some hot rodding when I was young. I can well remember what it was like to be young. You have done very impressive work here. You have multiple skills, and those skills are really important, and valuable. The key to good engineering is to think about how things will fail. If you design the failures out, what you have left is success. I'll give an example: when you are doing plumbing, if what you think you are doing is getting water from point A to point B, you are in trouble. What you are actually doing is keeping water out of the rest of the room. That means you have to be certain that your joints don't leak. In other words don't ask yourself "How can I make this work?" ask yourself "How is this going to fail?" Now lets talk about why the gear box was popping out of gear. Why would you expect it to stay in gear? Your shift lever didn't have any sort of detent system to hold the transmission in a particular gear. The torques from the motor apply twisting forces to the structure holding the transmission in place, and vibration is going to cause your shift lever to move from where you left it. When you design your detent system to hold your shift mechanism in place, think about how torques, vibration, thermal expansion, and contraction are going to affect it, and design around those problems. Expect each part to only do one job. A Swiss Army Knife looks like a good idea, until you try to eat a steak with one, and you find out having a fork at one end, and a knife at the other doesn't work very well. Now I want to talk about something no young man ever considers; safety. Humans can run about 17 mph, and the rule of two times the maximum expected stress shows up in our bodies. In other words, any sort of accident at or above twice that maximum body speed (call it 35 mph) is a potentially fatal accident; the human body simply comes apart in such collisions. The connections to the organs break down, arteries are torn loose from the heart, for example, and the body bleeds to death internally. Keep going, have fun, but stay safe. Think about what a tire blowout at high speed would do. Get tires rated for twice your maximum speed.
it dropped into neutral because of all of these factors probably: 1 too much power for the gearbox. You will have to calculate your torque to match the rated torque for the input for the gear box. Use a correct gear ratio based on the engines max power to match or under the max of the gearbox 2 yea..you need a better clutch and 3 the case was probably flexing. mount points are put in places that allow the enclosure to "flex" in a balanced way. . not enough space to explain that here.. in short you'll want to mount the gearbox the same way- (direction power is applied, distance from the power and orientation to the torque) to get the best out of it. or gussie it up by welding xtra supports and material on the case.
Glad to see this, especially now. Nice work engineering parts to make it work, for the most part! Also, shout out to your community on not being dickheads and letting you cruise the streets. No harm, no foul.
Dude! Your channel is so underrated! You deserve more subs. I can tell you put a good amount of effort into these videos with the carts and the video editing. Props to you!
Dude whatever you do never give up . I'm old enough to be your grandfather and my younger brother and I had some go-carts when we were younger and man we would have a blast . Had he still been alive we still would be doing our thang . There's nothing like having fun and being young so don't forget to never give up .
Holy shit I knew this was doomed from the start. first off, That's a Peerless 700 series transmission from a Lawn Mower, which is a solid transmission when used correctly, they were VERY common in professional Lawn Mower Racing, and can hold a lot of horsepower, however there is a long list of things this guy has done wrong. 1: When overspeeding the transmission as much as he did, he should have used a thinner grease or oil as that thick grease will simply sling off the gears and no longer coat them at that speed. #2, mounting the trans sideways like that is just asking for trouble, since the casing is not made for the linear force at that vertical angle. #3, these transmissions are not made to shift on the go, especially with a centrifugal clutch like that. there's no syncro gears, so you're essentially just jamming the gears together, destroying them, hence the "rough shifting" he mentioned in the video. If he set up a manual clutch that stops the input shaft completely in between shifts, he might be able to get away with shifting on the go. #4 as you can clearly see in the driving shot where you can see the back of the kart, he placed the chain tensioner on the wrong side of the chain, so all of the torque of the motor is pulling on the tensioner, and bending the frame, probably pulling the input shaft at a weird angle, contributing to snapping it off completely, as shown in the video. What could he have done to prevent all of this, and still have a cool 5 speed Kart? #1, use a thick oil in the trans, #2, mount the trans the correct direction, and use a right-angle gearbox to adapt to the kart motor, #3, use a manual clutch that slow down or completely stop the trans input shaft between shifts, and #4, avoid overspeeding the trans too much by using a larger output sprocket in order to get the ratio you need, instead of a smaller input sprocket size.
It's awesome to see there's still people in this world who still use there hands and amagination .....just make sure you pass it down to your kids....teach them.....
Young man, This old man is now smiling thanks to you. Did the same when I was your age. Keep developing your fabrication skills, which are fantastic. Stay humble and honest. You just learned that a transmission designed for a lawn mower is not appropriate for your inted use. Press on. Use your imagination and you will succeed in life. Be careful on the road, there are others using it who don't have your driving skills. Have a blessed day my friend.
90 weight would of been my choice . Not grease.not for a gearbox. I have never drained grease out of a gearbox before.. you live you learn ya know . Kid has a good aptitude for mechanics .
@@stevenklein8245 Rubbish. I used to work for Ricardo's. Worked on the design of the McLaren F1 gearbox, and the Bugatti Veyron. You need an oil with GL4 or GL5 specification.
Well you dont know if you dont try. Dont listen to negative comments, those people probably never have and never will be able to fabricate or build anying in there lives. Cool project 👍
Exactly! I couldn’t have said it better myself. 98% of the neg comments haven’t taken their fingers off the computer long enough to try! Better to try and fail than to never tried at all.
the gearbox is designed for a lawn tractor that goes 5 to ten MPH tops when you geared it up to 50 MPH it subjected the gearbox to strains way beyond it's ability and it self destructed ... get an engine trans from a small dirtbike that will stand the strain ...!
Nice work and video, I really think the grease was your limiting factor. Use 80w-90 and make sure you touch up your seals and seal the case. Probably have better luck. Some single seal bearings would also help. I would like to see you try again. 👍🏽
You my young fabricator, are headed for greatness. Keeping custom builds alive with dudes like you is a good thing. Most kids your age are afraid of grease under the nails. You have a great mind. Bet it runs in the family.
Hey dude great build! Sorry the transmission gave up but I really worried about that in put shaft when you have it apart! It didn't look like it would put up with much. The one thing I would have suggested before it broke was less grease in the gearbox I understand why you filled it but they're not designed for that and I think it had more pressure inside then you realize and that aided the breakage of the case and the shaft support! Greece is a great thing but so many people over Greece the hell out of stuff and it causes all kinds of problems just my opinion my friend but great build I enjoyed the video thank you
Well I'm certainly impressed with your talent. Of my almost 50 years in the automotive industry I've only worked with a handful of people over the years that we're as creative as you and all of them had many more years of experience. Well done !
... Believe me he's a long way from 'WhistlinDiesel' level but it seems like just yesterday I saw Cody's ATV reaper wheel video and thought, welp the kids got welding skills... now if he doesn't kill himself! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@RedlineRick2007 yeah I’ve got a few comments saying I’m trying to be like him but in reality it’s just fun to “nicely” drive things till something happens
Peerless 5 speed transmissions can be converted to gear oil instead of grease. Faster, better shifting, and it's easier on everything because grease is too thick for going fast. These are used for racing lawnmowers all the time and that is where I heard about the gear oil conversion
What a great video. I'm so pleased to see a young man making productive use of his time versus sitting around playing games. He is steps ahead of others his age, understanding mechanics, using a welder and power tools. I work with adults who don't understand anything about their cars other than it goes or it doesn't (must to out of gas). I look forward to what you'll build next and thumbs up.
The clutch on the engine is centrifugal so it won't disengage until the RPMs drop enough for the clutch shoes to release. They remain engaged even after release of the throttle due to the speed of the mechanism becoming the driver of it. So, like a manual transmission on a car, the clutch needs to be mechanically disconnected via a separate system not tied to engine/subsystem RPMs. I have a hunch your transmission broke due to either the casting inability to handle the torque applied or bearing seize due to lack of lubrication. Finally, keep it up young man as we need tinkerers like yourself. I'm 62 and had my own self built go-kart when I was 12 with a 6HP Tucumseh salvaged from a rototiller. I had a lot of fun with it. I became a packaging machine designer/builder/programmer because of always being inquisitive about things mechanical.
Hey kid, how ya doin'? I'm a new subscriber with years of mechanical experience since I was 7 years old & I'm 25 years old now, that Geerbox was designed for axial loads and will fail when placed under lateral load-forces. You can find Geerboxes designed for lateral load-forces on there outboard shafts. Looking forward to watching more of your videos so keep up the good work, you'll learn as you go.
7:30 Don't overdo it with the amount of grease, too much grease and the gearbox will overheat. Usually the manufacturer states a certain weight of grease to put in.
Young man... It's good to see that you dive into creativity. I'm 63 years old and I grew up riding Mini bikes and gocarts. You are too cool young man!!!!!
Don’t let the negative comments stifle you. You are learning by doing and failures give you as much information as successes. 60 years ago I built three, none as innovative as yours. Great to see you building and having fun and success doing it.
This reminds me of when I was that age, 50 years ago, and constantly played/tinkered with snowmobiles. The one thing that is a lot different however, is that I couldn't move the track of my sleds without having my helmet on...or my Dad would have instantly grounded me. While I thought that was harsh back then, too many people I know of through the years have been killed or maimed riding bikes without a helmet and I now know how right he was. All of y'all need to start wearing helmets...and setting a better example.
To be honest, he's welding without gloves, and doing all sorts of other stuff with no safety gear. He'll wake up once he loses a finger or two, or is having paramedics try and save his life after electrocuting himself. A for effort, F for everything else.
I see a full boat scholarship to your engineering school of choice. My compliments on your quest for engineering more speed. You are a credit to your generation. Keep your videos to add to your entrance exam. Best of luck to you.
I have been wondering where creativity had gone in young people today. This young man gives me hope that it's still here. Regardless of outcome of this project, the learning experience was something he could not have gained playing video games or playing soccer. Activities like this should be promoted by adults but it rarely happens. Keep up the good work young man. It will pay off one day!
This was a VERY GOOD idea. The down side is that this transmission was made for lower RPM since the input spindle was a large pully. I see you have some welding skills, expand it to TIG and weld that sucker back together with some gussets to support that input shaft. There are a lot of multi-directional forces going on here that need to be supported. Maybe get a larger piece of aluminum and install ball bearings for that input shaft. Make sure there thrust bearings on that input shaft since the torque of the engine is trying to push the input shaft out of the gearbox. You might want to try turn the transmission 180 deg and do a direct drive from engine into the trans. There are some rubber cushioned couplings that would make up the difference for any offset between engine and trans. Oh yah, about hard shifts, the gear selector sleeve needs to be cleaned out inside and out and make sure, when it is dry, that there are no gaul marks on the sleve or inside the gears. And back off the gas when shifting. Good luck with this one, it looks like a great project.
I’m not that old, late 30s, but what I can say is the world needs more youths like you. I’m guessing your late teens. Sorry if your not. Nowadays kids are too worried about gaming or internet trends. Not too many interested in mechanics, engineering and fabrication. Keep it up man!
Despite all of the criticism, you did a fantastic job. You are smart, creative, and developing a great set of fabricating and mechanical skills. WELL Done!!
I think you stuffed WAY too much grease in the gear box. I would have thought oil would have been used. Didnt I see a drain plug on the case? If so, it is not there to drain grease :) Good job on the build though.
Alot of the people are talking about sideload, but the biggest issue with a peerless 700 is they MUST be used with a clutch. They are designed for sideload but not rammerjammin into the next gear, the neutral you were getting was the shift forks not slipping into the next gear, and instead the gears spinning around them. They absolutely need to be used with a clutch
Yes, you need a clutch. The centrifugal clutch will stay engauged until RPMs at the engine drop low enough. Eventhough you release the throttle the forward momentum will keep the RPMs at the engine well above the release RPM range. You need a positive release means so you can shift without the engine torque or the momentum of the cart torque putting a load on the gears to shift. This is a very simplified explanation. Good luck.
Here's everything I have to say about the build. First, it's super sick and I love the concept behind it. Second, i'm sure you have seen others say, but USE GEAR OIL, NOT GREASE. Lastly, I would change the pivot point for the shifter somewhere in the linkage to give you more throw in the shifter. Since it's a mower trans, I know they don't have a lot of space between gears to confidently shift. Doing this would make each gear more noticeable when shifting. Do it again but better! Good work brotha
Too cool....and this kid is amazing with his ingenuity and patience for his age...I was really feeling it when he was building it....Has a lot of knowledge....Keep it up guy
Sweet build man! I've always loved things with engines and adding a transmission to something that wasn't meant to have a transmission is awesome. Not to mention that your music selection is pretty good too
The same problem with the centrifical clutch is that the engine speed must drop below a certain speed before it will completely disengage. You need a clutch that completely disengages at any engine speed to take the stress off the transmission while shifting gears.
I had a Skat Kat minibike when I was your age. It had a torque converter instead of a transmission. Working on it with my dad taught me everything I needed to know about engines when I got my first car. Have fun and stay safe.
Hey man, loved the build! You've found the key... one learns nothing by laying down some cash and buying a rig, but learns immeasurable lessons by building it and solving the problems on your own......
I bought one with a older 250cc Suzuki engine years ago. It already had 5 speeds in the engine. Would easily pop a wheelie. Very dangerous. Why don't cart racers use motorcycle engines? Changing gears adds to the fun.
You answered my first question. Don’t give up on the gear box. Get a 10 speed automatic. Junk yards should be filling up with that base Ford engine trans combo. What a rip. I hate to admit to this but the guy that said go electric would make life a lot easier. Naw. Stick with, suck, smash, bag, go!
I think this is cool. Keep your mind busy young man. I’m 75 and enjoy your active mind. Don’t waste it. What your doing is good for your mind. From the looks of it you need to support your gearbox closer to your gearbox. Maybe that way you won’t pull the side out of the case. If the case is aluminum your can weld aluminum.
A centrifugal clutch don't disengage until the RPM of the engine is close to idle (depending on how heavy the springs are) you need an actual clutch system to make the gear box work. Now if you can find an external motorcycle transmission you might be able to power shift it by dropping RPM to shift.
Your mind is like a Doctor of Mechanics. Seriously, I hope you realize your worth in life, because the talent you have is worth a fortune. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, or cheat you.
The chain snap can be eliminated by putting the tensioner on the slack side of the chain, not the pulling side. Also, an outboard bearing on the transmission input shaft will take the side load off the input shaft bearing. Also, centrifugal clutches are tough on transmission gears, the engagement chatter tends to break things.
i want to, im 17 and ive been dong a little bit of this my whole life but im trying to learn how to weld and work on cars etc but theres just one issue... im poor
You've got a hell of a future ahead of you man. Was really impressed you nailed the gear ratios first go. You've got some skill for fabrication that's for sure. Screw the haters, it's fun to do stuff just to try something different