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@cessna177flyer3
@cessna177flyer3 Год назад
You make some good points. This industry isn’t for everyone, but I’ve been very happy commuting and flying a 777 for the past 10 years. Yes, I’ve missed some family events and spend 12 days/month sleeping in a hotel. But, I’m also home 24/7 for the remaining 18 days - with no job-related responsibilities, stress, office cubicle politics, or the need to schmooze my boss to get the next promotion. Heck, I’ve never even met my boss. I go to work with some great people, do my job (which is flying a really cool jet all over the world), then go home to spend time with the fam. I’m compensated very well so my wife doesn’t NEED to work (she chooses to do volunteer work for her own fulfillment). I can afford to send my kids to private universities and own my own airplane. Yes, this industry can suck when you are starting out and are junior. I played the long game and it has worked out for me. Cheers.
@vincentalakija5515
@vincentalakija5515 11 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for your comment. I would really love to have a discussion with you outside of RU-vid if possible
@Paradox-2884
@Paradox-2884 8 месяцев назад
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@benc1103
@benc1103 Год назад
I'm a senior captain at a global airline (former USAF). This is a great video and spot on. One thing missing: Flying is not a job. It's a passion. People become pilots because they love to fly, money being secondary. Nearly all of such people develop a love of aviation when they are kids, building and flying models, learning the science and reading about aviation history. They already know they'll be pilots. At age 15 I could spin an E6B as well as any pilot. If you don't have this passion, it's a tough way of life initially as you go through the training and building experience in the military, or instructing and commuter/regional airlines. If you have the passion, you'll still enjoy it because.....it's what you love. If you want to become an airline pilot just because "it's a good job" and the pay is good (at some point), it's easier to just become a doctor or lawyer, and you can be home with the family a lot more. So, if you love flying, go for it. There's never been a better time. Regionals are boosting their pay pates and work rules. If one had to stay at SkyWest their whole career, it would still be a great career if you live near your base airport (within easy driving range). Commuting is something you may have to do initially. When you get hired, the airline will put you where they need you. Then you can bid to your base/plane of choice, easier now with all the movement. Long term, wide body In'tl FO is great. Days worked/pay ratio is great. Meaning that you're close to narrow body captains pay while working a lot less days. No wonder that 777/787 FO is senior to 737 captain. Pretty nice working 3 trips per month (9-12 days per month. 6-8 nights per month away from home), easy even if you're commuting. Think long term. As for me, I've loved every minute of it. I was single in the Air Force (a good thing, or I'd probably be divorced). I live an hour's drive from LAX. Wife doesn't work (well, she runs her own business out of the house). You can probably get based where you live although it might mean delaying capt upgrade till you can get it at your base. If you're a wide body FO, you'll probably just stay put and wait till you can hold that as captain, and enjoy family life. But you'll save days away from home by not commuting and some stress. Our airline (and probably others) have a commuter policy: if you can't get on your commuter flight, or one backup flight, you can call crew sched and invoke the policy (of not having to fly the trip). You won't get paid for the trip, but you can always pick up another trip. Regarding the author of the video and commuting from Atlanta to Chicago, it probably sucks. But I'm assuming he wasn't going to spend an entire career at SkyWest. I'm assuming flying for Delta out of Atlanta at some point is the goal (achievable sooner rather than later). OK, 3 years (for example) at a young age seems like eternity. But 3 years of commuting followed by a 35 year career in base with a global airline is like winning the lottery (again, assuming you love flying). But with a working wife, who at that particular time probably makes the bigger paycheck, kids, the grief of commuting, and perhaps no particular love for flying, I can see that one might quit.....if another lucrative and local job offer came along that might pay $200K per year near term and $400K per year (in present day dollars) down the road. Not sure the top story of that nearby building pays that kind of money without taking job stress and work home with you. As an airline pilot, at the end of the trip, you set the brakes and you're done till the next trip. Enjoy your unencumbered time at home. Look at the big picture down the road. Hope this helps. Best of luck in all your endeavors.
@d.c.6942
@d.c.6942 Год назад
Congrats on your career and a path that seems to be very fulfilling for you! Lots of valuable information in there - can I ask for a piece of advice? I'm a drummer from Europe, just turned 40, with a bachelor's degree in music and ponder the idea of getting into aviation. I've been passionate about music all my life, but the grind of making a living out of it has taken a lot of the excitement away. So I'd rather keep the love for it alive as a hobby and find a new job that ignites my passion again and feels like an adventure, instead of dragging on in a routine that has lost its charme. I have always loved travelling, discovering new places, and the general excitement of airports. The feeling that just by getting on one of those awesome machines you could go absolutely anywhere on the planet and experience something new. Obviously my main interest growing up has been music, even if the idea that it might give me the possibility to see the world has been linked to it. So I guess I'd have to get closer to a cockpit than just taking a passenger flight to find out if I could really be passionate about it. Do you think it still makes sense to start pilot training at my age? I want to be able to provide for a good living, buy a place to live, while doing something exciting that makes the journey worthwhile. It's not just about the money, but considering that I'd have to pay a huge bill and take up a loan for education first: Is there a chance that I make it to some well-paid job with liveable schedules and how long would it take me? Or would it be very difficult to get hired and move up the ranks with my CV? I don't want to spend a lot of effort and money and get stuck somewhere on the way without it ever paying off because of my late start. Would it make a difference to try a career in the US as opposed to Europe? Also rotary blade seems like a very cool option with maybe even more flexibility to see different places or settle down.. Lots of questions, I know, but any advice would be highly appreciated.
@benc1103
@benc1103 Год назад
@@d.c.6942 Lots of people have made career changes and become pilots. You won't have as long a career as most, but it'll still be rewarding. You'll probably have to take out a loan for any professional education you take on. Again, you'll need a keen interest in flying because there are other professions in law, business or medicine. But if your heart is set on flying, go for it. Once you get underway in your career they'll be time to devote to your musical career. Lots of pilots have second occupations because that's also where their interests are, and they have the time. Life is too short to just dream about things. It's only long enough to do them. Your choice is to continue being a musician at your current level. Or being a pilot and a musician. Who knows. The traveling you'll do as a pilot might get you connections for your music. In short, 40 is not too old. Many have started around that age. Do as much research as you can, but don't keep on dreaming. The pilot shortage is expected to last around 10 years, so get in while you can. You'll continue to research while you train. The pilot shortage is worldwide, so that's good news if you have a particular place you want to live. Search for 1-800 Jet Jobs. It used to be the old FAPA magazine from 35 years ago. It's a jobs placement type of outfit. Not sure what they do now, but Google it
@benc1103
@benc1103 Год назад
Just did some research. It's now FAPA.Aero It's a subscription and counseling service. Worth every penny to get the straight scoop and find out what's really going on in the industry.
@benc1103
@benc1103 Год назад
Let me add that you can start learning/training right now. Flying is the easy part. It's all the book learning that is a bit of a bear, particularly since you didn't grow up being an airplane nerd. Most of "us" learned a lot as kids building and flying model aircraft. I could spin an E6B like a pro at age 15. First get a medical exam equivalent to an FAA First Class Medical. If you can't pass that, there's no point continuing unless you just want to still fly for your own pleasure, in which case a lower class of medical will suffice. Start watching and learning on RU-vid. Lots of good instructors (RU-vid channels:The Finer Points and MZeroA are a good start). Basic aerodynamics, charts and navigation, stalls, slow flight, maneuvers, talking and the radio, and in particular: Airspace. Most of this will be common for different countries. You can start ground school on your own, and even take the written exam for PPL. Kingschools.com is good. iPad app by Daunltless Aviations good for practice exams. Sheppard Air has good courses as well. Their Instrument course is good, from what I hear. Thats assuming you'll be training in the USA. If training in Europe, similar on line or video courses are probably available. Ideally, you show up for training at a particular flight school with your written exam already done. That'll save time and money. Even the RU-vid studying will help immensely. You might as well get into the student mindset. If you can't do this, flying professionally may not be for you. An airline pilot is always learning, studying, training. Every time you go to a new plane, it's a month of full time school. Might as well get used to it now.
@d.c.6942
@d.c.6942 Год назад
@@benc1103 Oh wow, thank you very much! What a ton of valuable insider information, your enthusiasm for the airborne life really shows. Sound advice to get a medical check beforehand to reduce risk of a possible disappointment later on. I also think I should get myself on both a small plane and a helicopter, to see if one of them really makes my heart beat and I love it enough to spend the rest of my professional life honing the craft. And to find out which I lean more towards, fixed wing or rotary. Do you know if there is also a pilot shortage in the helicopter sector? As an outsider, rotary looks a bit more fun in terms of the actual flying and more freedom to pick up different midterm jobs all over the world without worrying about seniority too much. Fixed wing/ airline on the other hand looks like the better proposition in the long run, combining a steady home base and social life with regular trips to other countries or even around the world. Do you think it's possible even with a late start to make it through the "paying the dues" part and reach a position with reasonable schedules and proper payment within, say, 8 to 10 years? Also thanks a lot for leaving absolutely no doubt about the mindset and hard work required. I know that I am only able to do that with something I'm passionate about. Seems to be quite similar to music in that regard, both are kind of dream/doing what you love jobs. With all pros and cons. Lots of people want to get in, and you have to fully commit long before it starts to pay off. But I agree, life's too short to not commit! You sound like a great guy with a solid can-do mentality, thanks for the inspiring conversation.
@rws0010
@rws0010 Год назад
I flew 121 for almost 15 years before I left. Part 91 is where it’s at! It actually feels like back in the day when we were hanger rats. Going to FBO’s at smaller airports is actually enjoyable and they treat you great. Best of luck on your new gig!
@alessio272
@alessio272 Год назад
Yea part 91 you don’t have op spec you gotta deal with.
@Keys879
@Keys879 Год назад
91 has the most fun, 135 cargo has the best bang for the buck. But that's just me. The whole industry is in a weird state. Will be interesting to see how things go forward.
@ordyy89
@ordyy89 2 месяца назад
I agree. Same experience for me.
@JoeMattitas
@JoeMattitas Год назад
I am a wide-body Captain at a major airline and started in the regionals, based in Vermont. I moved across the country at age 23 for that first airline job at a whopping $10k per year. Loved every minute of it. Living in ski country and home every night. Bottom line is, you've got to have the pasdion for flying-it's not for everyone. That is the first and only question i ask any young person that i mentor. There are ways you can mitigate the downside stress: do not commute, marry someone who understands the business and stay senior. Most pilots that i know who were furlioughed couldn't wait to return to flying after working a desk job. Wide-body flying at a full schedule can be as few as 9 days per month. My quality of life beats most all of my friends in the corporate world. Anyone who is successful in the business world and fortunate enough to support a family in style has a ton of stress and pressure with hiring/firing, sales goals, deadlines and so on. I see many folks in my neighborhood getting on the train at 6am to the city and returning home by 6 or 7pm only to do more work from home-not fun! I have been able to start and run a successful real estate investment business for the past 24 years, which I would never be able to have done working a 9 to 5 job. One thing I will add for those who make it to the majors, you can drop trips and work part-time and still make more than the average working person. You simply have to have the passion for the job and if not, then this life is not for you.
@Markr1221
@Markr1221 Год назад
Excellent story telling, video content, editing and on camera presentation!!! Keep it up!!! And be patient - you’re doing everything necessary to grow your numbers
@TheRealTomSelleck
@TheRealTomSelleck Год назад
Something that my wife and I do- every couple months we have a very intentional “check in” with each other to discuss if aviation is changing or hindering our relationship in any way and how to fix or mitigate it. Family is our number one priority. Awesome video, thanks for posting.
@nealsandy8464
@nealsandy8464 2 месяца назад
Love that approach.
@justinwalker831
@justinwalker831 Год назад
We'll miss you here at SkyWest! I'm glad you took the jump to do what's best for your family. For me, the airlines are the most amazing career on earth, but depending on the situation they can absolutely suck...
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Best assessment I’ve heard on the topic yet!
@christopherreiher7527
@christopherreiher7527 Год назад
I’m doing it while my wife taking care of my 4 kids one of whom with special needs. It is extremely tough I can say that.
@stevenflattum156
@stevenflattum156 Год назад
I hope that this doesn’t discourage young pilots. It has been a great career for me. I had to commute for 2 years it wasn’t too bad. It eventually gets way better so hang in there.
@dukupaco
@dukupaco Год назад
Thank you so much for this
@technicalactivity
@technicalactivity Год назад
i stopped my journey after ifr in 2016 due to low pay and high school costs. not to mention 2 of 3 my instructors being terrible californians
@amjadabugasisa950
@amjadabugasisa950 Год назад
Your production quality is amazing and you seem very genuine and smart please keep up the same energy, it’s a pleasure to witness the channel grow
@roguy2697
@roguy2697 Год назад
This helps a ton! I’m in college right now working towards becoming a commercial pilot. I’ve always wondered what it’s like being a pilot and having a family, so this video answered a ton of my questions. Thanks!
@vincentalakija5515
@vincentalakija5515 Год назад
Same here!
@mmouseav8r402
@mmouseav8r402 Год назад
I'm a 747 pilot for a cargo airline with a wife and kids and am giving serious consideration to quitting and doing something else, but being >40, it's not easy to think about.. Trying to get on with Allegiant as I live close to one of their bases and being able to be home every night is very appealing. I have my own airplane so I don't need the airlines to fulfill my love for flying.
@rulenumerouno
@rulenumerouno Год назад
I fly for Allegiant.... and for QOL, its unbeatable... They have their other issues, but I'm not sure I'd continue to fly for the airlines if Allegiant wasnt available.
@mmouseav8r402
@mmouseav8r402 Год назад
@@rulenumerouno Any chance that we can talk outside of RU-vid? I love flying the 747, but it’s not fair to the family that I’m not home.
@danzodamanzo8192
@danzodamanzo8192 Год назад
@@rulenumerouno I heard Allegiant offers minimal overnights and better QOL for lower pay. But pay isn't everything. I have a friend at United and he's in his mid-40s with a family and is miserable as a Year 2 FO.
@rulenumerouno
@rulenumerouno Год назад
@@mmouseav8r402 yes, absolutely
@robertsteffy9608
@robertsteffy9608 Год назад
@@mmouseav8r402 I'm working on CFI right now at a 141, crazy to see a 747 pilot in here. Would love to chat about your experiences.
@theanonymouscat5062
@theanonymouscat5062 Год назад
I have so much respect for you. You put your family first, which is more than most people in 2022 would do. I wish you the best of luck in the future. I would never stop flying. But then again, I’m single with no kids. So take that with a grain of salt. I do feel that if you stuck it out that things would’ve gotten more effortless for you and your family as you progressed. Especially, once you made it to the majors.
@monaraemorquecho1362
@monaraemorquecho1362 Год назад
Been there, done that... it's the same circus, just a different tent. Kudos to you for making the break! Be that said, there are still awesome flying jobs - just not with commercial airlines.
@SpodgeDanish
@SpodgeDanish Год назад
@@monaraemorquecho1362 What kind of jobs are there besides flight instructing? I'm a student pilot and really nervous because I want to have a family one day.
@MaWash3112
@MaWash3112 Год назад
Another awesome video by Dan! Great content and production
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Thanks man!
@user-ez9vp7sh7b
@user-ez9vp7sh7b 8 месяцев назад
Your honesty and quality of video earned you a sub! Awesome stuff
@pilotrieul
@pilotrieul Год назад
Really opened my eyes especially in regards to commuting. Thank you for this great video.
@sirgalalot88
@sirgalalot88 Год назад
Hahaha, I loved the cliche questions bit. Great video. Family is all you have at the end of the day. Just stumbled on your channel and you seem really relatable. Keep working on your channel! Looking forward to more content.
@NandanV
@NandanV Год назад
Just came across your channel cuz I'm working on my instrument (and the algorithm is godly), and this was a really well edited video! Thanks for being honest, it helps offer another perspective to prospective pilots like myself!
@zone2Ironman
@zone2Ironman Год назад
Nice video. As a retiring military guy with 4 kids I relate to your closing... :D I'm grateful that this is a time of hiring in the industry.
@ram-jt2ee
@ram-jt2ee Год назад
Love this video. Seems super honest/realistic about both pros and cons of airlines
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
I try to be.
@pdornfel
@pdornfel Год назад
im hooked. im in flight school right now and these videos are helpful for understanding what a life at the airlines might be like.
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
Which flight school do you attend? And seeing videos like this, does it change anything about your decision?
@robt3233
@robt3233 Год назад
I always advise people to be a flight attendant first. It’s a grind. Being on the road, living in hotels, not seeing your family, working weekends and holidays, and exposing your body to high amounts of radiation and terrible sleep habits can be a nightmare. Don’t romanticize about fine for a week or a month. Year after year it takes a massive toll on someone. You have to be all in and prepared to live an alternative lifestyle to make it work. I would recommend any other line of work if you want a family
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
@@robt3233 Thank you, Rob. How will you be exposed to radiation?
@LuisLopez-uy3if
@LuisLopez-uy3if Год назад
Awesome. No one perfect route in this industry and who knows what’s in your future. Best of luck, keep it up!
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Thanks man!
@BaxterretxaB
@BaxterretxaB Год назад
Currently in indoc for a regional. Please make more “pilot life tip videos” love the packing tips. I’d definitely watch more content especially tips on bidding or commuting or managing fitness while on the road.
@plaiskool64
@plaiskool64 Год назад
Thanks for the video man, it's good to hear the cons of the job as well to have the whole pannel of opinions.
@bluefishbeagle1
@bluefishbeagle1 Год назад
I was a commuter for ten years and have been out of the industry for 17 years, I still have dreams of being late for a trip, missing my flight, not know what my off days are or cannot find my trip schedule. Even though I never missed a trip it was always my worst nightmare.
@genxer74
@genxer74 Год назад
I don't commute and have all those anxieties over being able to catch the non-rev flight I want/need.
@rulenumerouno
@rulenumerouno Год назад
I went through the same struggle. Just couldn't take it anymore. Luckily for me, I found Allegiant, and can now still fly in the airlines, and be home mostly every night.... quite the game changer for me. Good job making the best decision for your family. Some people's ego wont let them make that choice, and they end up losing their family instead. Good luck
@danielcardone8622
@danielcardone8622 Год назад
"Have you considered, maybe you're stupid" 🤣 Bought spit my milk up.
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Just being true man
@dustyrhodes2717
@dustyrhodes2717 Год назад
@@DanPKing16 Meh, pilots can be tools but your retort was just the same. LOL
@TheodoreViollet
@TheodoreViollet Год назад
Insanely informational video. I'm a flight student figuring out how I'm gonna balance work and family as an airline pilot. I needed to see a video like this.
@pilot41186
@pilot41186 Год назад
Go watch fly8ma video on why airline life sucks too these guys both are spot on
@FuzzFam
@FuzzFam Год назад
Thanks for the video, really enjoyed that. That cliffhanger, lol. I think I’ll have to stick around and see what’s next. I retire from my first career as a police officer in about three years and I’m planning on the airlines for my next gig. It’s going to be an interesting journey.
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
I have two friends who are retired fire fighters and have made the transition into the airlines as a second career. Do it!
@FuzzFam
@FuzzFam Год назад
@@DanPKing16 Awesome. My neighbor is a captain at Skywest. He put me in touch with a FO he flew with the other day who’s a retired firefighter named Andy. Got to start that networking!
@michaelangel9157
@michaelangel9157 Год назад
Thanks brother for your wisdom 🙏
@braddallan
@braddallan Год назад
Thanks for the insights to that job! I’ve just career changed into an entry level /scenic flight operator and considering future steps! Cheers from Australia
@richard4559
@richard4559 Год назад
My Respects for You. I work flying the ATR 600 and live 10 minutes from the airport. Haven't gone to the majors since "Quality" of life is very important for me. Did commute for a short while and I was "Miserable" literally. Being home most of the time is gold for me to spent time with a growing child and the Family.
@WilliamPotts3
@WilliamPotts3 Год назад
Amen to that! You have the best of both worlds dude. So you didn’t compromise a thing.
@macyl9960
@macyl9960 4 месяца назад
Great video. You answered so mamy of my questions. I appreciate it.
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 4 месяца назад
Glad I could help! Keep in mind, a lot has changed and I am back flying.
@philipgauthier3570
@philipgauthier3570 Год назад
So did I....23yrs and after being home for an extended period of time....shifted my perspective.....Agreed on SkyWest...did 2 tours there...Good adventures ahead for you...Cheers..
@charlieclown9913
@charlieclown9913 Год назад
Hats off to you for knowing what best for your family.
@littleferhis
@littleferhis Год назад
I'm a CFI right now looking to work at Skywest. I would say I fit on the Level 1 or maybe 2 right now so I'm in a pretty good spot to enter. My plan is to live on base as quickly as I can, preferably next to a metro station to save money. Having commuted for my CFI job, and realizing how even a 1 hour commute can eat up your day, I want to avoid it as much as I can. Hopefully after a couple years I'll be able to move to a small town and do some Fixed wing Air Med flying where I can maybe spend some more time at home?
@jstottspooner
@jstottspooner Год назад
Well made and spot on video. I was very curious how airline life was going to treat you. I managed to get regional life over with before I got married.
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Regionals were tough for sure. I do think if I had started earlier (even two years earlier) it would have been much different
@scud-runner
@scud-runner Год назад
It’s all about what you love and want in life. I think you did great analysis and everything you said makes sense for you. I know life can suck Junior airline pilots but once you have seniority it gets way better.
@ReptileRaptureRR
@ReptileRaptureRR Год назад
This is 💯 on point. I had to let my idea of being a pilot go once my 3 kids were diagnosed with ASD, while mild, it made it impossible, unless I wanted to abandon my family.
@mdalby512
@mdalby512 Год назад
I left the regionals 2 years ago…best decision I ever made….found a corporate gig…home almost every night and making quadruple.
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
How easy was it to find a corporate gig? What’s the pros over regionals and what was it about the regionals that made you leave?
@mdalby512
@mdalby512 Год назад
Finding a corporate gif is easy….they’re hurting for pilots worse than the airlines….finding a corporate gig that treats you well is the tough part. There are lots of part 91 jobs that are awful. The pros over the regionals are that I’m home just about every night and my commute is a 20 min drive to the airport.
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
@@mdalby512 how do you actually look for a corporate job?
@baomao7243
@baomao7243 10 месяцев назад
My CFI went to the regionals then they messed around inefficiently, so and he spent a lot of timing sitting around. He went corporate instead. He loves it wince it gives him a way better personal lifestyle.
@JWALL_
@JWALL_ Месяц назад
Just got fired from being a CFI, honestly don’t enjoy the industry and feel so free rn. Think I’m done with the industry.
@williambrown9481
@williambrown9481 Год назад
I started at Infinity(and MCCC) and got my Private cert there. Left after that and just recently restarted after a year and a half off the horse. And Cliffhangers a great classic movie 👏
@armyavi8tor
@armyavi8tor Год назад
I’m an AA guy commuting from ATL to MIA. I hate commuting, we’re moving closer to base in the next coming months just to have more schedule control. The nice thing is we can reserve our jumpseats a week ahead. But uncertainty like delays, cancellations and schedule cuts makes commuting a nightmare. I would recommend flexjet, Netjets for positive space to work. Less stress. I did acmi for almost a decade and it was nice having a ticket to and from work.
@josephdale69
@josephdale69 Год назад
True.
@prancer1803
@prancer1803 Год назад
Why doesn't the guy above do like ACMI that's home based? Sure you 'commute' but they pay for your ticket!
@gringoloco8576
@gringoloco8576 Год назад
Did you work corporate before AA?
@armyavi8tor
@armyavi8tor Год назад
@@gringoloco8576 no did charter flying 737s for swift air.
@FGCH03
@FGCH03 5 месяцев назад
I really understand you, it requires to be brave to take that kind of decision. 👏🏼👏🏼
@WhatsupSan
@WhatsupSan Год назад
Great video shots and narration!
@ryanchau8609
@ryanchau8609 Год назад
Love the honestly and realistic feedback of yours, this will certainly help people get into airline industry knowing ahead of time the hardship they’ll face. I wonder if corporate or private jet pilot will have a better work life balance over non-senior pilots at an airline?
@FLAC2023
@FLAC2023 8 месяцев назад
My flight instructor, young guy also quit United this happened several years ago. He now flys mostly rich people around
@TheJerseyAviator
@TheJerseyAviator Год назад
I used Infinity for my multi engine, commercial and multi engine instructor under part 61. My MEI at that time is now considered one of my best friends. Now I’m a CFI at MJX where I got all of my other ratings. Luckily, in my case, the difficulty scale is much lower transitioning to the 121/135 world. Glad you made the right choice for you and your family
@BubblyinUSA2010
@BubblyinUSA2010 Год назад
Good luck as a Stallon wherever that may be. And whoever you’re working for.😊
@waverider744
@waverider744 Год назад
Great video, I'm considering making the switch to part 121 as an new empty nester.
@PocketsAutoList
@PocketsAutoList Год назад
Love the video! Keep up the good work
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Tha is man! Hope you’re well!
@KaptainZulu
@KaptainZulu Год назад
That last part though..... lol.... you just gained a subscriber with that suspense by the way
@hectormoctezuma6121
@hectormoctezuma6121 Год назад
Kudos to you for quitting the airline world! I would recommend looking for a good Part 91 job, although they are typically hard to find, but with the current pilot situation, there are some out there. It allows you to have a somewhat normal life and still be in the air, without the hassles of commuting, going through TSA, making multiple legs in one day, etc. The equipment is great, hotels and meals are way better than in the 121 world, and you actually get to explore the destinations you fly to. I’ve been extremely lucky to not have to do the airline thing and build my career running the flight department for an outstanding company. Good luck to you!
@Starfish2145
@Starfish2145 Год назад
The legacy pilots who flew in the 60s and 70s and 80s when their wives mostly stayed home had it the best.
@Biden2024_
@Biden2024_ Год назад
Yessir the good old days!
@hertzair1186
@hertzair1186 Год назад
He didn’t mention the pay cut he probably took when leaving the airline. Family time is the priority, but he may now have financial pressure at home. Virtually all high-paying jobs require long hours away from home. So a spouse unless he/she is dedicated to the relationship, will complain about either “you don’t make enough money” or “you are never home enough”….if you have a supportive spouse, aviation is the greatest career…I’ve been a pro pilot (done it all from CFI to Aviation Corp dept manager and now fly for the worlds largest fractional airline) for nearly 40 years…and still can’t imagine doing any other career.
@MartinWenzelYT
@MartinWenzelYT 10 месяцев назад
My goal is family time but quality time where I'm not being a pain worried about the bills.
@RunzWithGunz7
@RunzWithGunz7 Год назад
Thank you very much for making this video. I am 34 and currently in flight school (finishing up instrument) while making a career change. My wife works full-time as a nurse and we have two kids (1 and 3), and I work part-time at my current employer. We are planning to move closer to my parents for support, and have long decided that I will only look at regional airlines with local bases, which is about 3 at PHL. I am really hoping that this whole thing works out.
@josephdale69
@josephdale69 Год назад
Good luck.
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
Which flight school do you attend?
@brendasays2324
@brendasays2324 Год назад
I was a flight attendant for skywest too. I recently quit too, lol… Same reason, my daughter started school and home is where I needed to be.
@RealRickCox
@RealRickCox Год назад
My brother flew for Compass before graduating to Atlas in the 747. They're treating him very well and he's got a great schedule.
@ragheadand420roll
@ragheadand420roll Год назад
And he gets to fly with kelsey ✌🏻
@WilliamPotts3
@WilliamPotts3 Год назад
I love flying for Atlas. Best job in the industry. And they pay for your commute and hotel.
@brianhanchey8388
@brianhanchey8388 Год назад
I like your graph. Sums up why my commute is to a bedroom/office for now. Most regional pilot videos are all about how amazing it is which I’m sure is true when you’re at a 1-3 and 23. When you’re family life (for whatever reason) is already around 6-8 working from home, going to a regional would make your life an 11. :) Thanks for sharing.
@genxer74
@genxer74 Год назад
I'm over 40, married with kids and just started at a regional 1 year ago tomorrow. I absolutely LOVE my job! So happy I left the corporate/office life.
@brianhanchey8388
@brianhanchey8388 Год назад
@@genxer74 I'd love to hear your path prior to the regional. Congrats on making it work!
@genxer74
@genxer74 Год назад
@@brianhanchey8388 thank you but it was a long path that I thought I would never want to take. I'm one of those people that didn't know what they wanted to be when they grew up until they were well over 45. If you really wanted to learn more, you can find me at gmail
@daxflame163
@daxflame163 Год назад
That was fun to watch actually. Subscribed.
@Zackbrooks737
@Zackbrooks737 Год назад
Pretty much my favorite RU-vidr. Nice job.
@eric.burgan
@eric.burgan Год назад
Thanks for the video. I've appreciated your insights on IFG and now your honesty on what works for you and your family.
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Thanks man! I try to keep it as real as I can
@gcp4458
@gcp4458 Год назад
I am 24 and entering the pilot workforce. I appreciate this on many levels. best wishes and thx for this video
@dcxplant
@dcxplant Год назад
You will have a wonderful career. Stay off of web boards, stay away from negative people, understand the industry functions under a seniority system and is not a meritocracy. Currently the movement is epic and never before seen, and in ten years, will not exist anymore. you will move up quickly and this career, with planning (which is key) is absolutely family friendly. I personally know single parents that are raising wonderful kids because they have the means to get the support they need, which includes their bosses, union brothers and sisters, and of course a salary and benefits that are fantastic for raising kids. Nothing finer than being able to take your kid along to Paris, Zurich, Milan, Rome, etc. on your overnights. It's amazing! Do it right, and an airline career is a fine and joyous one.
@gringoloco8576
@gringoloco8576 Год назад
@@dcxplant where are you at that it is family friendly
@dondash8921
@dondash8921 6 месяцев назад
Good video. I would agree with your graph. I am one who wanted to be a pilot when it cost less than $1,000 but I did not have that kind of money. I know flying is a passion as is obvious by you getting back into it. Good luck.
@fly20yoc
@fly20yoc Год назад
Thanks for sharing your story, My situation is a little similar ,I’m married + 4 kids , I made it to CFI, 500+ hrs , I don’t see myself continuing, as you say, too many tears , Not easy. May you have lots of success in your new job. Are you planning to fly again?
@flyingmusician5327
@flyingmusician5327 Год назад
#facts brother. I was with Republic Airways and had several family issues occur all at one time. It really tested my mental and physical capabilities with being a commuter pilot. Very stressful. Family to me is more important than any job. I decided to leave for almost the same reasons as you did. I have twins coming some time in December, boy and a girl.
@genxer74
@genxer74 Год назад
Congratulations on the new additions! Blessing of health to all!
@flyingmusician5327
@flyingmusician5327 Год назад
@@genxer74 thanks!🙂
@Biden2024_
@Biden2024_ Год назад
What do you do now? I’m currently getting my commercial and hearing al of this is scary to me
@flyingmusician5327
@flyingmusician5327 Год назад
@@Biden2024_ well I started flying for legacy airways after republic. I was flying a Saab 340B. I worked for them about 4 months or so and as I was packing my bags to go to full motion sim training.. I received a text message from our chief pilot saying wish you all the best and hopefully we can catch dinner or hang out in the near future. Basically company went out of business. I was so wore out from all the hustling and training. When I left republic I was getting married at the same time too along with other family issues with people passing away just to name and had so many other things i had to consider. Lots of life altering events all at once for sure. Having all of that stress was not good to say the least. I am working right now in my families business and I still do fly alot. I have a 1976 archer II that you see videos of on my channel. I do ferry flights from time to time as well.
@dihedraldesign7978
@dihedraldesign7978 Год назад
Great video. I (personally) don't know how anyone with a family, who values their time and those precious moments of life, could do the job easily. That being said I'm in my late 30s and absolutely loving my regional gig. You could always go back later in life when the kids are grown (if you want)! Best wishes
@josephdale69
@josephdale69 Год назад
You’re in your late 30s and love your regional gig?
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
What do you love about your regional gig when everyone else is has negative things to say?
@genxer74
@genxer74 Год назад
@@DuragVince- do you even fly? Anyone complaining about the regionals and thinks getting to the mainline is going to magically fix everything doesn't have very good perspective. I love my regional flying job but will also leave it immediately for the mainline. All the regionals just raised their first year FO pay, so that helps immensely.
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
@@genxer74 I don’t fly. I’m doing research and asking questions because I’ve been considering ATP. I don’t want to invest a ton of time and money and end up hating it.
@genxer74
@genxer74 Год назад
@@DuragVince- a lot of regionals are paying for the ATP course, assuming you're in the USA. Not sure what your resume looks like, but have you applied to any regionals yet? There are quite a few programs popping up for those that still need a lot of hours. United's Aviate, etc.
@phan5302
@phan5302 Год назад
Love the transition
@genxer74
@genxer74 Год назад
I left the corporate life for flying over the covid debacle. Having experienced the military and its deployments, the office life (with all of the BS that entails) and now flying part 121 (at a VERY similar airline :) ) I have seen a dramatic improvement in ME and my enjoyment of life. I am a better father and husband now after the switch back to flying. I was out of the seat for over 13 years before trying to go into 121 flying and did a lot of research and networking prior to. One cardinal rule I learned along the way was this; You NEVER want to live out of base and commute. I've even heard pilots say they'd work at the worst airline in the world if it was the only place they could fly and live in base. I know it was tough for the author here and empathize for him. I'm assuming he considered a company that is based in ATL and somehow that didn't work out for whatever reason. It's too bad b/c it sounds like this guy likes to fly. I am married to a woman that works part time (she stopped working after we had kids while I was in the military), my kids are all in school and I love the varied schedule every month. We all find it an adventure and it keeps things from being the "same ole". Man, I hated the drive to work and the same office crap all day everyday. I love doing 4 day trips so I don't have that drive to and from everyday. I DONT commute to another base... so far. I am lucky and the author is right, what a time to be a pilot! Tomorrow is my one year anniversary at my airline and I never had to commute to another base, only had reserve for two months, and I just bid 45% for November and think I might be at around 35% for December. We also just got a huge pay raise, so no more anxiety about getting to a mainline carrier just to make the budget work. Wow, I wrote too much here but if you're still reading hopefully you got something out of it. Hit me up if you want to ask more! good luck to all the up and coming pilots out there! Good video, but I wanted more about exactly what he switched to. I guess some ppl like the office life?
@glhsakd07
@glhsakd07 Год назад
This was a good read. Lots of stuff that apply to me as I am making the decision to leave the military to join the airlines as well
@racingwithbigt
@racingwithbigt Год назад
Good video! Lots to think about!
@GonzoT38
@GonzoT38 Год назад
This is so on point I'm saving it to my playlist. As a .mil pilot with now a working nurse spouse (mine is trauma unit staff nurse) and a 4th grader at home, this is why I stayed in the AF Reserves. Granted, airline flying was never my cup of tea (flying transport cat/heavies bored me to tears, glad to have jumped to fighter trainers, flying bombers almost made me quit flying professionally altogether), but the work schedules of my airline peers just became a non-starter. And we don't have family in the state where I'm stationed, so double whammy. It truly takes a village to raise a child, and two working parents without outside help just didn't cut it. Most of my airline peers are to a man, married to stay at home wives that are expected to keep the exigencies of the home front away from the FOV of the airline pilot husband. I find that a bit too june cleaver for our taste, but whatever to each their own if they're making that choice out of their own volition. My wife told me, to quote homey the clown from in living color: "homey don' play dat." Roger that, copy all, no stay at home de facto single motherhood scheme. So, we deal with my non-deployed training command schedules that are much more homestead friendly, and make lemonade. Being gone from the local area with her work impositions (back of the clock shifts with nobody to pick up the kid or be in the house overnight) was not gonna work. The other alternative would have been clinic work that's 9-5 for her, but she wanted to be in the hospital setting. As someone who was allowed to pursue his career goals, I'd be a raging hypocrite to tell her off the gate, no you don't get to pursue your career aspirations like I was allowed to. So I compromised my ability to go chase an F-16 around the Country for the allowance of still contributing to the fight in a training capacity, and supporting my family's domestic demands. I commend you for doing the same, it's an oft-derided position by the youtube sphere that demands only positive, choice-supportive biased presentation of occupational choices like airline work. Good luck and health to you and your family on the next chapter!
@prancer1803
@prancer1803 Год назад
Dude. Come work for the cargo carriers. People have no idea what the lifestyle is like and the compensation and lifestyle can be incredible. In my humble opinion... people talk about the regional airline life and they don't have much perspective about what else is out there.
@deanunterreiner6588
@deanunterreiner6588 Год назад
Good for you, quality of life is much more important than money. I left SkyWest after INDOC once I realized how bad commuting was going to be. At 55 it wasn't worth getting beat up for 10 years and then aging out. I wish would have come across your videos sooner.
@parkernorthrup548
@parkernorthrup548 Год назад
Great video...Thanks..for those passionate about aviation and quality of life remember there is collegiate flight training! It can be a career choice.
@JonnyJets
@JonnyJets Год назад
Had to subscribe after that cliffhanger 😂
@sunmist4421
@sunmist4421 Год назад
Absolutely top video. Few people talk about the commuting. I think they consider it to be something of admitting failure, in that they never really looked into the commuting aspect. Being a professional pilot is a lifestyle, not just a job. It simply may not fit your home life; it's no ones fault, it's just how the industy is; not going to change any time soon! It's the same in any of the "romance" professions; acting is a good example. People may have a passion for it, but that doesn't mean a certain aspect of it is for you. There are other ways to fly. People go blind for the airlines, with visions of cool large airplanes, and jetting around the world, but never really look at the whole package. Know what you're getting into, it doesn't suit everyone, no shame in that. Keep the faith! Happy landings!
@amjadabugasisa950
@amjadabugasisa950 Год назад
Lovely video I wish you the best of luck, and I should say I enjoyed the music and it didn’t bother me.
@Micg51
@Micg51 Год назад
I currently work for your previous employer, and yeah...commuting is horrible. I thankfully live in one of their bases, and transferred to my home base next month. If i had a family, I don't know if I could do it either. It's hard to pass up their pay now, but I currently commute on a 3 hour flight from the midwest to west coast. I commute the night before to reserve every week, never get called, so I sit in the airport all day, and I spend over $1000 a month on hotels. If you don't live in an airline base and have no intention of moving, I can't really recommend becoming an airline pilot. It is so stressful, you are always thinking about going to work from the moment you get home.
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
It’s a long game business. If you can stick it out, it’s worth it. I just started older with a lot of kids and it made it harder.
@dallasC822
@dallasC822 Год назад
This is great insight as a guy who want to go to the airlines
@ChrisVogtmann
@ChrisVogtmann Год назад
I am headed to class for SkyWest in January! But I’m hoping to get DTW as my base and it seems very likely I’ll get that! I’m excited to start!
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Excited for you man!
@joeyleagjeld
@joeyleagjeld Год назад
When Skywest came to UND last month, they said that almost all of their pilots are getting the bases they want in a year or less. Joining the Skywest Cadet program also helps with this
@seemore7327
@seemore7327 Год назад
@@joeyleagjeld I did the same as well, SkyWest Cadet program! I’ll be at SkyWest in summer of ‘24! Best of luck to you at INDOC!!👍👍
@WRboXer
@WRboXer Год назад
Great quality videos Dan. excellent delivery and entertaining. You remind me a bit of Destin at Smarter Every Day. Cheers brother 😎
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
Well that’s a great compliment man! Hope all is well and thanks for watching!
@MrDbrault
@MrDbrault Год назад
Your 4 minute commute to work hit me hard! I live in a little town next to the bike trail and dream about riding my bike to work. I used to commute Florida to EWR. I actually got used to the anxiety that you talk about. Basically, it just got to the point that if I didn't make then F it. I literally stopped caring if I made it to work or not. Thanks for the video. It's very relevant to the current pilot shortage really.
@elperro5
@elperro5 3 месяца назад
your current commute is awesome
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 3 месяца назад
Well that has all changed now. Commute is a bit longer.
@kelleraltidor4097
@kelleraltidor4097 Год назад
Being a pilot is tough. This video motivating me working hard
@nolaneads2826
@nolaneads2826 Год назад
A class act, this is high quality
@pkizzle65
@pkizzle65 Год назад
Feel the pain. I'm been commuting forever!!! At least you were making a decent check. Cause when I was doing it, I could barely afford 2 of those bikes in your garage. The regionals are paying SOOOOO much more than I ever got.
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Год назад
I was a successful Army Captain when I bought those bikes
@blakeshedd5354
@blakeshedd5354 Год назад
I'm with you, man. I flew for Envoy for a very short time before I realized it wasn't for me. Nothing at all against the company. I was living in Austin, TX and flying out of LGA/JFK. Very little time at home with my wife and kids. For us, it wasn't the logistics of it. It was just the separation. Best of luck to you.
@jiyushugi1085
@jiyushugi1085 Месяц назад
I spent six years at a Pt. 135 airline flying Caravans single-pilot. Dream job for me. Lots of yanking and banking, flying into cool airports, many short legs every day and home every night for dinner. Low and slow is the way to go!
@DanPKing16
@DanPKing16 Месяц назад
Very cool!
@michaelrichards90
@michaelrichards90 Год назад
Hey man, I’ve never seen any of your videos before…. But this one popped up. Great explanation and descriptions. Have you considered working with us at Allegiant? No overnights. I’ve found AAY to be the antidote to the very same issues you described in the video.
@SeaHusker54
@SeaHusker54 Год назад
This is the first video I’ve watched on your channel and I’m instantly liked and subscribed 4 minutes in! I only have a Single Engine PPL, but work in the Aviation Industry as a Simulator Technician. All these reasons and more are why I don’t just go to a school like ATP and finish up my ratings. I’m somewhat newly married and want to start a family soon. On top of going into debt to even get my ratings, the airline industry lifestyle isn’t for me. Being home almost every night is a must for me.
@keithm7087
@keithm7087 Год назад
My motto has always been family comes first. A job (and lets face it that's all that being a pilot is) can be replaced but missing time away from family can never be made up.
@wojciechgrodnicki6302
@wojciechgrodnicki6302 Год назад
I like the road bike. Very nice.
@maichauehlers2621
@maichauehlers2621 Год назад
Congratulations! Make more videos of your new adventure.
@ChoobeeVlogs
@ChoobeeVlogs Год назад
You just popped up on my feed so congrats on a viral video !! New FA subbie here !! I thought Regional is paying the big bucks right now though ? Like 400.00 per flight hour so I’ve heard ? Lol ok lemme finish watching the video
@nealhere
@nealhere Год назад
Great editing. Good info. Good luck on the new gigs and other new gigs. Soooooo Whats on the 3rd floor?
@shamimeshaghieh9194
@shamimeshaghieh9194 Год назад
Thanks for sharing this efficient video I have learned alot
@fredflores22
@fredflores22 Год назад
Thanks for the update
@junenam145
@junenam145 Год назад
It is definitely a lifestyle for sure. Imagine how difficult it is for the flight attendants too, who face the same struggles, but with a looooot less pay. It becomes not worth it quickly. Seniority really is everything, and if you are at a point in your life where you can stick it out until you can build the seniority, this industry can become more rewarding. Thankfully, I started with my airline (as a flight attendant) at age 23, single with no kids, and now I am pursuing a pilot's license with a goal to move to the front of the plane. I will most likely end up on the bottom of the seniority list again when I do make that transition, but I will have a more realistic expectation of what those beginning years will be like. (Not gonna lie, I really struggled in the beginning, was really stressed out, sleep deprived, and had some unhealthy coping mechanisms that first year). I also do not intend to have children, which will make it so much easier than those who do have children. Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience. I think you made a great decision for yourself by choosing to spend quality time with your family! Also, the part where you mention the 'cliche' things pilots say about commuting LOL The flight attendant work group at my airline has such a tension between commuters and non-commuters too. The commuters are begging for a better commuting policy since positive space ended, but a lot of non-commuters are against that because they say that it is 'unfair' that the commuters get a benefit that non-commuters can't use. It's really such a selfish argument but there exists that schism... They say the same things: commuting is a choice, you should move to base if it's such a problem for you. Not considering any other obligations the commuting FA might have.. Kind of sad, really. I used to commute (LAX-MSP) but don't anymore, so I understand the struggle, and even if a better commuting policy won't benefit me, I can't imagine why I would want to deprive my colleagues of that.
@73av8r5
@73av8r5 Год назад
Great video. I’ve been an airline pilot for 25 years….through 9/11 and other downturns. Hasn’t been easy with a working spouse but we only had one child which made it easier.
@DuragVince-
@DuragVince- Год назад
Would you still recommend this career nowadays also seeing the price of flight school and all?
@73av8r5
@73av8r5 Год назад
@@DuragVince- I would. The regionals offer all kinds of bonuses to help you pay off your loans and the pay is much higher than a few years ago. Best of luck.
@jonathanparkhurst9141
@jonathanparkhurst9141 Год назад
Keep Climbing, baby!!!
@Zackbrooks737
@Zackbrooks737 Год назад
Excellent video BTW. Subbed.
@william0203usa2
@william0203usa2 Год назад
Proud of you for putting family first
@steveinstuart2366
@steveinstuart2366 Год назад
I quit the regional airlines as well 10 years ago, worked as Chief Instructor making very good money in Stuart FL. Now I’m heading back to 121. If you want to move to FL let me know I can can get you a 9-5 job flying.
@13htorrespr
@13htorrespr 7 месяцев назад
Very good video, you stated facts and how they affected your situation which is very important to note. I have been flying since 2017 and finally meet ATP minimum requirements. I want to fly for the airlines, it has been my dream since I was 5 but life happened and I was not able to learn to fly until I was 40! I am 48, married for 25, 2 kids ages 17 & 22 and my wife works PT...so my situation is a bit different but still about a 3-5 using your scale but only because my kids are older, both drive, etc. so it'd be "easier" for me to be away for 3-4 days. Additionally, my wife is onboard and that is truly the key point in my particular situation why? because as I like to say, she has veto power and has been supportive of my from day 1! She's truly a gem. I know it's not all fun and games, commuting will take a toll, but I actually enjoy traveling as much as anyone...so my mindset, which can change once I am actually commuting, I'm on a regular trip going somewhere then I get to fly...I know that may sound a bit "naive" but all I can say is I need to see it for myself and perhaps my opinion will change drastically or it may not at all...won't know until I try it. I am fortunate that I live in San Diego and SkyWest is one of my top (if not the top) choices and they have a SAN base....sure, it'll take a bit to get to it but if I have to commute to SFO or SLC, plenty of flights and I know many SW pilots that do commute and they say they get a seat 99% due to the number of flights...sure, occasionally they have to spend a night when the get back too late or start early but it's not the norm and flights are under 1:30...again, perhaps a bit "naive" but this is based on the experience of actual SkyWest pilots. So, obviously every person's situation is unique and there are many factors affecting the decision to fly for the airlines...so a good realistic assessment is necessary to make the best possible choice. Thanks so much for sharing, it does not change my mind in terms of my goals, but you make a lot of really good points and I have considered most if not all and it seems that it is still the right choice for me...I just hope that when I do go, I will not be incredibly disappointed and my "job" becomes a JOB...which is why I am leaving the IT industry after 21 years. Best of luck to everyone and safe and happy flying!!!!!!!!!!
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