yeah, it might not be S-tier, but it's definitely A or B. I tried Wezterm but went back to Konsole because Wezterm has something weird going with clipboard.
I ran st for many years and it was amazing. But without Wayland support and stubborn developers (read up on why emojis does not work etc) it's a bit obsolete. Still, it used to be S tier and should still be in A or B..
I had to go through the patching process multiple times and I still didn't get it to a place where I liked it. I guess you can use flexipatch nowadays but in general it's kinda difficult to setup st, especially for people who haven't used git.
st and urxvt are the best terminal emulators I've tried, hands down. fast and simple programs. the process of "setting up" st is just installing the scrollback patch and then you're set. I went with the alpha patch as well just so I could make the background color a bit transparent. you don't even really need to patch suckless programs to make them good, the average viewer of this channel simply has no eye for what makes a good program. dwm with st and dmenu gives you a great linux environment out of the box, and I bet more people would appreciate linux if they gave that kind of setup a try without patching and ricing everything to the extreme. X11 applications are far from obsolete. X11 is still the standard for linux desktops and will not cease to be anytime soon. The entire process of switching to wayland is an unattractive one for most X11 users since you're required to change your entire environment which is why many will stay on X11. The benefits of switching are not at all obvious to the user and you kind of end up where you started, just with worse software support than you had before.
It is wild to put st in F. For me the best feature of any app is having a simple/minimal base that is easy to extend. I am not even saying it should be S or A but putting it in F shows incompatibility of my taste/preferences with the "chat"
And warp is definitely F for me. So you rated st as F not knowing anything about it based on chat votes, but you have not listened to them for that one...
I agree. Or even made an actual voting system so that results could be quantified. The focus on terminals is interesting but this content is just lazy. You couldn't be bothered to try out the ones you didn't know anything about just for a bit??
Hard configured Wezterm so much it just have the keybindings/movements for everything that might require to use TMUX.....even wezterm has inbuilt plugin managers .....im using wezterm-session-manager .....which helps me with the session ......Not great experience but it gets the job done .........I love Rusty product.....Loving Wezterm ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Like many others, I was using Kitty for years, but gave WezTerm a try ~6 months ago and never looked back. It has all the features I liked about Kitty, but a much cleaner config with Lua that makes it perfect choice for nvim users. I have been following ghostty progress for a while, so look forward to trying it (I also love Zig), but for now I am definitely a believer in WezTerm.
foot is the has the most featured with least amount of ram required, I like to have multiple terminals opened at the same time (cmus, btop, newsboat, lf) and with the daemon/client feature, one foot (around 40 Mb in ram) hold all the process, and lightweight clients are served to show them, think tmux sessions but each is a full window on it's own
Powershell indeed sucks but Windows Terminal itself is pretty great recently. It recently got a new engine with many features like allows images to be displayed within the terminal. It's not a terminal that should be underestimated because of Windows or PowerShell.
People are way too negative when it comes to ranking nowadays. Like, why are perfectly good terminals in the lowest tiers Just because they don't "wow" chat? I would think the lower tiers would be reserved for actually bad terminals.
Instead of rating the people behind the terminal or the company or the potential, how about rating the terminals themselves ? You dont have time to install and test them? Sorry but as a youtuber is that not what you have time for? I cant tell if you are trolling to get interaction but this was a little hard to watch. *well played* would love to have seen a mem use comparison in normal use. wezterm, foot and alacritty have big differences in system resource usage.
bro… you EXPOSED yourself and your CHAT as fodder noobs by giving st F tier. it’s the chad suckless terminal. the st literally stands for S TIER. git gud noob. 💪😏
Gnome (Terminal) - UX/UI for tablets should not be used on desktops and laptops with keyboard and mouse. D tier. Warp - THIS IS PAID KEYLOGGER. Donating with logo placement is called advertisement. Online accout required to connect to your intranet ssh devices... What's wrong with you? Wezterm - black screen on wayland. Weird behaviour on pasting text with new lines. B tier. Kitty - ULTRA TOXIC DEVELOPER. Do not report issues if you are not ready to be insulted. Python is not fast. D tier. Alacritty - hang on paste from vim. Issue 9 month without attention Ghostty - closed source. closed beta... I can bet it will be paid. F tier
This video feels a bit lazy. I would actually love sole insight or at least table of features to campare them. Perhaps some good some bad atributes. Not just chat kinda randomly sayng aaa yea that one is D for no reason. Othervise i like your content.
Foot is insanely speedy. Nothing compares. I found wezterm to be slow, kitty to be slow. Like i start typing before terminal appears on the screen and that's bad. Only thing lacking is font ligatures. But i can live with that.
This is kind of a niche use case/feature, but it's worth mentioning that terminals built with libvte (xfce4-terminal, gnome terminal, terminator, probably a few others) have their own font-independent rendering system for the box drawing/geometric shapes/legacy computing unicode characters so that they always fit perfectly without any gaps, which only really matters if you do text mode art, but it's a big deal if you do text mode art.
Lol people saying eww to st and rating it an F, and saying meh to foot and rating it a C. With st it's minimal and good for tiling window managers using st-flexipatch you can even use sixel graphics. With foot terminal it's the only good terminal that is still minimal and supports sixel by default. If nobody knows what that is, you can list and display images in the terminal itself no need for extra installation or configs. You can even use lsix and it will list all images and print them directly. If nobody appreciates that then I guess there is no hope for humanity.
st in F is a violation oh my goodness its basically a terminal that you build on yourself, ontop of dwm, which you build onto yourself, ontop of so on and so on, it's what you make it, and it's amazing
One problem with all this is that people rate things based on contextual stuff. GNOME terminal and Windows Terminal (which is open source by the way) are examples. People just don't like Windows or the GNOME desktop, but that should not be a valid reason to rate individual things. Another problem is that serious rating should always be done on individual aspects of things, such as performance or the number of features.
While the intent of this video is interesting, it completely falls apart in execution. Many terminals were disregarded simply by saying they don't have any wowing features without ever listing what those are. Even going as far as reading a summary made by AI without checking facts. On the other hand, many terminals were put at the forefront by saying they're great and have many great features, but again which features? Some features were mentioned, like: - Integrated AI assistant - Ligature support - Image rendering - Infinite scrolling - Performance - Panes - Hyperlink support - Special events support (like mouse clicks) But basically none of those were discussed, much less demonstrated. For example, why is it so important for a terminal to be able to render images? What does it mean for a terminal to be performant? And so on and so forth. Anyway. While the video is indeed entertaining thanks to your character, its content is worthless. I rank it F in my tier list.
Number 1 feature every terminal MUST have for me is to support dropdown style like Guake/Yakuake, where I can bind Ctrl+` key to bring it up from anywhere. I can't live without that lol
This is great except for the Warp terminal. No matter how fancy it is, it shouldn't be in A. I am not sure about an F but definitely not A. Reasons: Requires login to even work, Closed source and ofcourse telemetry. Also you should check out Wave terminal.
That's true, but he was deciding based on the features it has And it was a little biased, because warp donates to foss projects, which makes them more respectable
@@no_name4796 I believe he was quite biased on this one(which he has all the right to be) and decided to brush aside the major flaws of the Warp terminal. He did try to justify this by saying things which shouldn't have affected the objective value of Warp terminal. Why does it matter if Warp supports open source or not when we are discussing the value of the terminal. As for the respect part, Microsoft also supports several open source products but that doesn't make them any more respectful. We should judge a product for what it is and Warp in my personal opinion is not a A-tier terminal. Forget all its other flaws. NO terminal should ever need to be required to be logged in to just get to the interface and use it. Period.
To me the top one is foot terminal. Really good client server architecture. Super light on resources. Ability to set title and class. Really fast. It has everything.
I have to say, configuring st might be the hardest and it ig deserved low ranking but not last! Ik it's a personal preference. Anyway I use st for everyday use since I have a potato pc I have save up my resources for my browser and lsp. St did a great job at that. In my env st uses only 20mb ram. It also supports ALL THE FEATURES (all that i know of and use) of any terminal with least resource usage. But I can assure if I had a better device I'd have used kitty anyday and everyday (kitty isn't supported in my current device). Also Warp deserves a C.
Windows Terminal is actually fantastic. I main pop_os, but when I have to use windows for work, I actually really enjoy it and kind of wish it was available for Linux.
Personally I use the windows terminal because it lets you change the background image to a .GIF (most terminals don't support .GIF) or even your desktop wallpaper + UI looks cool + color themes are super easy to add
This tier list is actually dog water Giving S tier without trying them is insane Give d or something low to xfce terminal bcs some KDE gnome zoomers tells it is insane too
Patching and recompiling for st really isn't that difficult once you do it a couple of times. It really is great once you get it configured just right.
@@sensei6988 Requires login and has extensive telemetry. I think it's risky for a terminal to have all of this, imagine leaving root passwords, SSH keys, etc. exposed, I wouldn't trust it.
i think he means that because it’s AI powered, it’s essentially sending lots of your data to the cloud. whether it’s secure or not is a bit difficult to prove, although it is open source. in any case shell commands includes more information that you should be comfortable giving away
@@loo_9 Warp is not open source. Better to use something like shell_gpt, which you can add to any terminal and use any AI source, including self-hosted ones.
As a user of more than a year now, placing foot on C tier severely hurts, as it's literally everything I want from a terminal but in awesome C instead of, uhm, Rust.
same. I think the primary use case is what he’s using it for. just viewing what images are what, without relying on another program or relying of file names
I really loved wezterm but for whatever reason, for me, it had crazy issues with eating my inputs and random slow downs. Maybe it was an nvidia hardware thing or something. I've been pretty happy with foot ever since I switched though, feels much more lightweight.
I doubt that it's an Nvidia thing. I've used it on AMD (GPU and CPU), Intel (integrated graphics and CPU, AMD GPU and Intel CPU), M1 Mac. This on Windows, Linux and MacOS. I want to like it, but it never runs as smooth as other options do. Maybe I'll give it another shot tomorrow... I have an Nvidia GPU now. 😅
@@herrpez My thinking was that it probably had something to do with it being a hardware accelerated terminal, which I don't think many of the others are, but I could be wrong.
@@deathcare Alacritty is hardware accelerated too, and that runs like a dream on my work laptop, which is considerably less powerful than my home computer. That being said, Wezterm seems to be a little bit faster than before. My main gripe has always been how slow it's been to spawn new windows/tabs. It's still not as quick as my main terminal emulator, but it's at least not painful anymore. 😄 Will have to check it out at work as well, but it's a little bit harder to justify messing around with terminal emulators for the fun of it in that setting.
Dude. Thats so backwards. Its a terminal, of course it has to have the basics, cannot be like xterm, but the main criteria is? How fast it is. It gotta be fast, between AI BS and speed, i take speed all day. Dont care if can render whatever, i want something that is the fastest launching application in my computer and runs on KB of RAM.
Alacritty is missing lots of things. You can't even copy and paste commands from one window to the other (on MacOS) - you still need to type Enter. Horrifying. Also, it tends to select crappy stuff with the mouse, mostly simple to much .. and it's configuration is a sheer horror!
Windows person here. I switched from Windows terminal terminal to... Windows terminal preview. The preview has a bit of new features the other one lacks. Still mid. Could be way better.
Foot terminal server mode is impressive. You run it as a server, allowing it to handle all clients, so opening clients is nearly instantaneous. There's no need to spawn another instance since it's already running in the background as a service.
A terminal doesn't have to Wow me. It needs to function well and should have certain settings I might need. GNOME Terminal is that. That is my tool in this category as long as it exists.
I have compared Alacritty and Kitty among different PC/Linux laptops & desktops & macbooks (intel and Mx) and I find Alacritty faster than Kitty, most of the time, being its own separate process, single tab, no multitab support makes it better for me. However it doesn't support images, I would put Konsole on B+, same as Alacritty.
While the fancier icons are cool, is a beginner going to understand that that's the icon for the terminal emulator? The icon should tell you what the program is.
