One if the big gut punches for me was Teft swearing the third ideal. "I will protect those I hate... even if the one I hate the most is myself!" He has that addicts guilt and self loathing and his arc in this book was my favorite.
I totally agree! Teft is such a dynamic character and I really loved how Sanderson crafted his arc in this book. I'm looking forward to seeing how he continues.
The gut punch came for me when, as Dalinar was resisting Odium, Evi spoke to him from the spiritual realm and told him that she forgave him. That was all it took to make me stop for several minutes to collect myself off the floor
It very likely wasnt evi, unless evi somehow held a piece of adonalsium and expanded her soul and become a cognitive shadow, which STILL wouldnt put her in the spiritual realm for that she'd have had to pick up a shard. Which she 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% didnt do. What I think happened was dalinar's connection to evi spoke to him as he's a bondsmith and he does weird things.
@@snowdrop9810don't people go to the spiritual realm after they die? A brief transition to the cognitive and then to "beyond"? Thats what I picked up from Secret Histories, did I read that wrong?
Once upon a time, in a universe called the Cosmere, there was a god called Adolnasium. 16 enterprising individuals figured out how to "shatter" the god and each took up a "shard" of the shattered god. Another person named Hoid was there but refused to take up a shard. Three of these "shards" holding immense power called Honor, Cultivation and Odium are in the Rosharan system, one of them does not remain in the system by choice.
As for the show vs tell, Elhokar told us Aesudan was not evil. I always interpreted it as Elhokar really didn't know his wife that well, and/or he was lying to himself. If I recall Adolin and the tailor never supported Elhokar's statements, and their silence implied their disagreement. Wit, before Stormlight. I was indifferent about Hoid. I enjoyed his insults as the King's Wit, but his scenes with Shallan are the only time I feel like I could get behind him as a person. And not just dying from curiosity to learn more about Adonalsium, the Shattering and Hoid's end goal.
Aesudan not quite being on the level was hinted at previously during one of jasnahs bits too. It's the one where she meets with the assassin who is supposed to be watching her. Jasnah wouldn't be putting an assassin to watch her if she was all sunshine and rainbows
No mention of Kaladin meeting his parents again? One of my favorite parts of the first half of the book was him returning home. Also the flashback chapter "A small bottle." Was the most heart wrenching thing I've read in a long, long time.
I was pretty sure I mentioned it, it may have been in the edited out clips. If I left every clip unedited I’d have over an hour long Vlog. 😂 I loved the part where Kaladin goes back and meets his parents again. Easily one of the most powerful scenes in the book for me!!!
@@ToriTalks2 Patreon-exclusive hour-long "extend edition" edits of your Cosmere reactions when? Would like to see more of your in-the-moment reactions to things, especially near/at the endings, if you still have the footage!
@@Conduit23 LOL you're so nice. I have definitely been thinking about a Patreon in the near future. Right now I'm working on another secret (soon to be revealed) project, but a Patreon is quite possibly in my future.
Oathbringer was certainly the slowest of the three in my opinion as well, but the back to back gut punches with Evi forgiving Dalinar, and Teft swearing the third ideal just wrecked my emotional state. There were tears
Another great vlog :) Honor, Cultivation, and Odium are not Spren, they are above the Stormfather and the Nightwatcher (and the other one that you haven’t met yet...). To understand what they are, you’d need to start learning how the Cosmere as a whole works, and I’d highly recommend doing so before reading Rhythm of War. You can do that either by reading the Mistborn trilogy and particularly Mistborn: Secret History, or if you don’t want to read all of that then a youtuber called Lost in Discovery made a great video about it. It’s called “The Shattering of Adonalsium” and contains very light spoilers for Mistborn: Secret History - but nothing plot specific, just how the cosmere works. It’s only like 7 minutes so I’d highly recommend it. Cheers :)
I love how Oathbringer shows you how Cultivation basically played 4D chess against Odium and won that game. Pretty cool how she put this all in motion over a year before, to out maneuver Odium
What was the most impactful emotional moment of the book for you? A) Dalinar setting fire to a city and having a horrifying realization. B) Drunk Dalinar being given a jug of wine by Renarin. C) Shallan/Veil being utterly destroyed after realizing that the boy in Kholinar was killed. D) Kaladin refusing to swear the fourth ideal. E) Dalinar resisting Odium with "You shall not have my pain". F) Other (please specify). Also, given that Cultivation has created Lift as a special radiant, pruned Dalinar to allow him to grow and provided Teravangian with his foresight and terrifying intelligence to create the diagram, what do you think she is cooking up? Additionally, I think the Nightwatcher (Cultivation's bondsmith would have bonded with her) kept Nightblood safe at some point.
Yay finally! Ya the emotional roller coaster for me was when renarin was seeing his death and the spren he had was of odium, Dalinar finding out he was odium’s champion and then suddenly not but became more powerful for a moment than anything. Amaram’s death and Rock’s use of a weapon. My opinion is I would rather have liked to see Amaram assasinated and an epic battle with Sadius instead, but whatever.... Your feelings for wit makes my flabber absolutely gasted! The king’s death happened right at the moment you started liking him but I see his character being built up just to give the reader an emotion when he did die. Ya Moash did come out of nowhere. Hey team Adolin and shallon won! All in all though, I felt like not too much happened and I’m kinda getting tired of Dalinar being the damsel in distress at the end of each book... however, Kaladin was a bit of that too this time around...
Avid Wit fan here! Just wanted to give you my perspective as to why I love him. Wit is a much more interesting character the more you know about the Cosmere. He's not just in Stormlight and Warbreaker, but actually *every single cosmere book* if memory serves, at least mentioned or under a pseudonym. He's one of the most historically and cosmologically significant people in the entire universe and I love that he uses that position to just show up and give pep talks to main characters every now and again. Whenever he appears you know there's always gonna be a heartfelt moment, character growth, some laughs, and some mysteries and/or revelations as to how the Cosmere works.
this is very late and by a different person but yeah he's an informant Kelsier talks to in book 1. book 2 i don't know and 3 his name just appears on vins list but she doesn't go to see him because kel gives her a bad feeling.@@oskarhultenlycke2543
@@oskarhultenlycke2543 In case you haven't discovered it sometime in the last 9 months, he makes very brief appearances in 1 and 3 as the same information broker. Kelsier meets with him in 1, Vin almost meets him in book 3. He also features rather prominently in Secret History.
Oathbringer is one of my favorites. Epic scale, WoR is "better" but WoR didn't make me pull over while driving and burst into tears like Oathbringer did. At a time when I just wanted to give up, "You can't have my pain" and "the most important step a man can take is the next one" left me bawling my eyes out. Both phrases still echo in my head almost daily. What happened, happened; the only thing you can do is keep moving forward.
5:10 on the whole topic of Jasnah "dying" and whether it was foreshadowed, I fell like there's actually a whole other viewpoint to look at. I don't think Sanderson was even trying to hide it from readers so much as from Shalan. He gave pretty big hints for us to predict that it was a fake out death, while showing those in ways that wouldn't be as obvious to Shalan as to us. I appreciated actually. It kind of felt like a slightly different way of doing that trope from the usual.
Great video as per usual, just wanted to leave a comment about your DID observation: I am not, nor do I know anyone that has DID. However, Brandon has said that he has done extensive research on top of getting feedback from several people dealing with DID. And from what I've gathered (since I got interested in the topic after discovering that Shallan has it) is that DID can appear differently in people - just like depression can for instance. Shallan creating Alters in such a way, and interacting with them as she does, has been known to happen (even though Brando is taking that up to 11 with his magical incorporation). In addition, for Rhythm of War BS got a lot of feedback on Shallan's character, and I think you'll like the DID representation a lot more. He leans more into Alter psychologies in that one. In a way her DID is evolving alongside her (which is another real-world thing that is known to happen). Anyway, just wanted to clear the air. I'm not saying I understand this more than you do, I'm just parroting other people. Have a great day and I can't wait for your RoW video. :)
Hi! Thanks for your comment! I'm aware of the fact that Sanderson did a lot of research on this topic. That doesn't surprise me, and in other videos I've done reviewing his work, I've actually complimented his handling of mental health topics in general. Legion is one of my all time favorite books. Yes, D.I.D. exists on a broad spectrum, and there are even different sub-types of the disorder! I have alters, and am very well researched and experienced in the way that DID manifests. I actually think that he did a great job portraying the different parts that Shallan relies on. I do want to say that I think there was a bit of a miscommunication, simply because I didn't disagree with anything you pointed out. In the video, what I said was that I wanted people to be careful using Shallan as a representative for people who suffer from DID. The other thing I pointed out as a problem is the language that was occasionally used to describe the way she transitioned between the different parts. Phrases like "playing a role" and the fact that Shallan consciously chooses to inhabit certain alter egos is not the same as having alters in DID, and those phrases can be harmful for people who already face a lot of stigma surrounding a disorder that is largely misunderstood by the general populace. We are often accused of "playing a role" or "acting". As someone who has an official diagnosis of this exact disorder, I wanted to raise awareness of some of the stigmas we face. I hope that this helps. :) Thank you for watching!
Love your stormlight vlogs! I think my favorite moment in this book was when Jasnah spared Renarin and his spren. How she saw the lost little boy she connected with got me. She does have feelings! Keep up the good work! Can't wait for your next videos
Yesss! That was such a good moment. I love Jasnah, and I think Sanderson does a great job showing the cracks in her armor. I’m glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
Oh my God, everyone, she doesn't love WIT! Storm the gates! Bring your torches and pitchforks! 😂 Honestly, I absolutely love Wit with every fiber of my being! But I can understand that not everyone has to love the same things I do 😊
Brandon Sanderson commented on the DID issue. He originally didn't intend to give her that disorder. But when the similarities became too apparent he decided to give a more accurate representation of DID in the fourth book. So no, the third book doesn't officially feature a DID person.
I appreciate the insight! Most of the comments I'd been hearing were from other readers, so that was what I wanted to specifically address. I'll definitely look into Sanderson's comments on the topic as well. I really appreciate the research and care he takes with mental health topics.
@@ToriTalks2 You're welcome. He talked about it in his interview with Daniel Greene about Rhythm of war, if you want to know, what his exact thoughts were writing Shallan.
Spren are pieces of Honor and Cultivation that were separated for what I believe are unknown reasons. Higher order spren like the Nightwatcher, the Stormfather, and the Sibling are just bigger Spren that serve as conduits for their respective gods' lights; the Stormfather is probably the strongest of those because Honor gave him a shit ton of power before he died. Odium, Honor, and Cultivation are not Spren, they're Shards. There was originally only one god in the Cosmere, but he was killed and split into 16 parts which represent aspects of the big G; Honor, Cultivation, and Odium are 3 of those Shards among others such as Endowment and Autonomy.
Oh I loved Wit and his conversation with Shallan. It broke me. And "you cannot have my pain!" I will say that as a child of an alcoholic, reading Dalinar's flashbacks was really tough. His character arc in this book was amazing, though. I just don't understand how they (Adolin and Navani) were able to forgive him so easily. I am liking the FOILS of Moash/Kaladin, Taravangian/Dalinar. Jasnah being queen was awessome. Szeth's arc I am really liking. Also, this could be way off base, but the Fused with their clothes being described as waving when they are in the air reminds me of Mistborn cloaks. I hurt that Kaladin was not able to say the words for the fourth ideal. Also, may or may not have broken down crying when Teft said his words.
Im so late to this, but the supernatural hierarchy is, from the top: 1. Adonalsium, a sort of supreme deity of the Cosmere, who was shattered into 16 shards in the very distant past, three of which landed in the Roshar system, who are... 2. Honor, Cultivation, and Odium; Honor was killed/splintered by Odium during the Desolations, Cultivation is still alive tho, but very hidden 3. Stormfather and Nightwatcher, these are the quasi-deity spren of Honor and Cultivation respectively 4. Spren, who are a sort of resonant combination of living/sapient Investiture of Honor and Cultivation (notice how all the spren are either related to human emotion or natural phenomena?) 5. Heralds 6. Shardbearers
Other people have said this but The Way of Kings was Kaladin's book, Words of Radiance was Shalan's and Oathbringer is Dalinar's. The character development is beautiful. I know it is "exciting" when we have a rollercoaster of emotions but I personally found the solid and predictable progression of the characters to be refreshing. They're not OP or progressing unreasonably and they're struggling in realistic ways which are relatable but they aren't drama queens and they know what they stand for and what responsibilities they're willing and able to accept
My favorite thing from oathbringer is just dalanar holding twok like a teddy bear and lift staring out over the chaos and carnage. That shot lives rent free in my head. Whenever I'm down just the picture of dalanar holding twok helps me get back up
I didn’t really feel that Brandon tried very hard to convince us that Jasnah was dead. I really felt we as readers were supposed to be skeptical. I have enjoyed your Stormlight Archive vlogs. I hope you do Rhythm of War.
Did you know that there's an actual album for stormlight archive? Some movie sound producers loved WoK and made an official soundtrack to it. Its called: Kaladin by the Black Piper. And its on Spotify. Its SERIOUSLY good!
Lot of good takes, even if I’m not in complete agreement. I think Oathbringer was a big crowdpleaser for the Dalinar fans who wanted to see him grow into himself (IE, me). I agree with your thoughts on Words of Radiance on him completely, that he’s kind of an idiot who keeps making stupid decisions in his pursuit of the honorable and right thing. Oathbringer sees him really taking big steps toward becoming the person he was trying to be in those first two books, and watching him attempt to reconcile that with who he used to be, especially in his decision to acknowledge and accept his past, and to try to grow beyond it. I think that big emotional *oomph* that you weren’t feeling there was probably found by a lot of others in that moment, but I can see that not doing it for everyone. As for the representation of DID with Shallan... I’m speaking from the perspective of an unresearched neurotypical white guy who has had the privilege of not really ever finding myself wanting for any representation in any specific media, but that said... I do think Sanderson’s representation of it here is a little bit... fantastical, to the degree that I didn’t even really consider the real-world issue until I had mentioned the character to my wife and she pointed it out to me. I won’t say I was disappointed, because that would require some expectations going in, but upon further thought... I would have liked to see here what we could see with Kaladin’s struggles with depression and how that follows him even in the best of times. What those elements of Kaladin taught me was how representation can be important not just for under-represented groups, but people like myself (who are what passes for “normal”) in empathizing and understanding people from different backgrounds who think differently from myself. If anything was missing from her in Oathbringer, I think it would be this. I do think this element of Shallan is handled better in Rhythm of War than it was here, but again... I’m not exactly the expert here. I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts on that next.
It was satisfying to see you read these. I haven't yet read Rhythm of War so I put it on my watch list (and Dawnshard) for when I read those. I love how you agonize over the reading and I'm so jealous of the paperbacks with the illustrations. Because of my eyesight, I experienced these through audiobook. But I might get the paperbacks...the writing does look big enough for me to not get too bad of eye strain. Anyway...you have a very cool vlogging style. I'm taking notes because it's a skill I'm trying to get better at. Thanks for your efforts! Great video!
Thank you so much for watching, Jenn! How were the audiobooks? I don’t read in that format because I can’t focus and don’t retain it as well. I’m glad you enjoyed the vlogs!
@@ToriTalks2 I LOVED the audiobooks, but it was a little terrifying at first when in the beginning of A Way of Kings they started doing the death utterances and they were throwing out dates and times and it was all nonsense words...haha. I really thought I wasn't going to be able to keep up. But I did. I enjoyed the audios and I did them while playing Minecraft or solitaire (to help me keep my focus) but I do feel like I sacrificed a little comprehension. Def going to re-read.
Hey there! I'm a pretty new subscriber and I loved the video :) It is the first video you've uploaded since I've joined. About the deity hierarchy: Honor, Cultivation & Odium are literal gods & are at the top (though they are no omnipotent). They aren't spren (for my awareness) & I don't really remember the context in which the stormfather said that so idk why he said that. Then there are the Heralds with each one being associated with one of the ten orders of the knight radiants. They are on the side of the humans of course. Their situation is explained further in RoW. There are also those 'super' spren like the stormfather. They aren't above/below the Heralds in the hierarchy but both are below the 3 gods mentioned above. About Shallan: Most people talk about her having DID towards the latter part of the book when she starts to lose control of when they pop up. I don't know if this changes your response. Either way, you probably know a lot more about that than I do. I agree about the pacing of the ending. I disagree with what you said about there's not being a punch in the feeling. I just think there were too many pages afterward. I'm talking about the "You cannot have my pain!" & "It's the next step, always the next one" scene. It's my 2nd favorite scene in the series (1st is in the fourth book). Will be here for the next video :)
Hi! Thank you so much for being a subscriber, I'm grateful for the support. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and I'm really appreciative of your comments! I do see what you mean about Shallan and the characters she builds. I still think that Sanderson set it up in a way that can be easily misunderstood if people expect her to have D.I.D. specifically. But I still definitely see where people make the comparison. I think you are spot on with the too many pages after the finale. I think that's something I disliked about WoR as well. In my opinion, the book goes on too long after the big climactic moment.
Oathbreaker is my favourite book in the series. I loved the extension of worldbuilding and Dalinar is my favourite character. Rejecting Odium was the highlight for me even though most people think the whole thing was too predictable. Elhokar's death moments before swearing the ideal was perfect.
I really loved the heartbreak of Elhokar almost swearing his ideal :( I do think that the ending of Oathbringer was "safer"? than I would have liked. I think what I was really looking for was even a brief moment of weakness from Dalinar where he was far enough gone that he would've had to face off against one of his sons, because that would've had an incredible emotional impact. Even just for a few moments before he broke free of Odium and said no. I think that's ultimately what I was hoping for. That being said, I don't dislike Oathbringer by any means. There were a lot of really good moments in it.
@@ToriTalks2 I didn't want to see any more weakness from him. To me he had shown his weakness becoming an alcoholic and having Cultivation take Evi from his memory. He slipped when he found out about Evi again. To me, defying Odium was such a huge moment because he finally accepted his sins and took accountability for it. Maybe the way it played out in my mind was far grander than other people. It was much more impactful than Navani bonding the Sibling. It was grander than Shallan's reveal about murdering her parents. Shallan's was more heartbreaking though.
Just found your WoK and WoR videos last week and I've been really anticipating this reading vlog!!! And I guess I'll just get us started where's the Rhythm of War vlog?
Hahahaha you’re a real Wit. 😉 I won’t read RoW until it is available in paperback because I don’t want to get carpal tunnel in my hands 😂 I’m so glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching!
@@ToriTalks2 Hey thanks for you're reply! I just finished the video and I wanted to ask you a few follow up questions! Do you have any further thoughts about Azure and her role in the Cosmere (have you figured out some of the hints surrounding her?). I know you didn't feel emotional gut punches in this book specifically around character deaths, however I feel that Sanderson often writes these "gut punches of hope" such as the "you cannot have my pain" portion with Dalinar; I am wondering how you felt about that moment in particular and also the effectiveness of that type of gut punch for you're reading experience. Finally, I wanted to ask if you had any thoughts of reading Mistborn since you'll be taking a break while RoW paperback comes out. I totally understand if you need a break from Sanderson to do some other reading, but I would really love to watch you're experience reading the first three mistborn books! I hope these all made sense I don't want to come off as imposing my own views on Sanderson on you, it's just really exciting to get to talk to someone who's reading these books as I have no one in person to talk about them to these days.
@@mcdcurtis Hey! I really like the idea of "gut punches of hope", and I think you're spot on with that assessment. It's a different build up than the previous two books. As was mentioned in another comment, I think the moment where Jasnah spares Renarin is another like that. I was in a fairly strange headspace during this vlog, and so I'm honestly not sure how I would've reacted differently upon reading it in a different time. However, I do think that the hope factor can be extremely powerful. For example, Jasnah's ascent to monarchy is something I found to be a very intriguing surge at the end, and also the reappearance of Drehy, Skar and Elhokar's son at the end of the book. Those were definitely threads that pulled me through to book four. I do think that Dalinar (while I love him as a character) is definitely getting to be a perspective I'm getting oversaturated by. I'm looking forward to seeing who dominates the tone of book 4. As far as Mistborn goes, it's funny you mention those! The trilogy was my first introduction to Sanderson almost ten years ago! I have been meaning to do a re-read vlog of all three of them, and that is definitely on the to do list for this upcoming year. :D I also intend to read and vlog several other fantasy releases.
Since you asked about the “gods” I’ll give a quick explanation on some Cosmere lore that’s not really in the books but could be good to know: The first thing you need to know is that Investiture is a thing. It’s basically the magical energy at purest. All magic in the cosmere is powered by Investiture. Now then, a looong time ago there was Adonalsium, a being that had control/access over all the Investiture in the cosmere and so was basically God. 16 people killed him (this is called the Shattering) and Adonalsium was shattered into 16 pieces. They each took a piece and became what we now know as Shards. Each in control of a their own part of the Investiture. These Shards (or at least their Investiture) has an Intent:Odium, Honor, Cultivation, ... They promised each other to each pick a planet somewhere and to stay away from each other but most of them didn’t keep that promise. So Odium, Honor and Cultivation are on the same level or at least started that way. Spren then are Investiture that has been left alone and gained sentience. Therefore there are more and less powerful spren (because they consist of more or less Investiture). Most of the spren on Roshar are Investiture that originally belonged to Honor who was Splintered by Odium in some way. The Stormfather for example is a really big part of the Investiture that made up Honor which is why is kinda like a remnant of Honor. The Heralds are something different. I don’t know how much of how they work could be considered a spoiler so to be safe I won’t say much. Just that they were human but became something different, they aren’t at all on the level of Shards or powerful spren. They aren’t even necessarily more powerful then other humans can be. There’s a lot more that could be said but this is at least the most important for Stormlight. If I forgot something or said something wrong I’m sure someone in the comments here will correct me. Also, I loved the video. Seeing someone’s journey through these books is amazing so thank you for sharing yours with us!
I can't count how many gut punches i had in this book... "Taln never broke" Tefts 3rd ideal "U cant have my pain" and a lot more BUT foremost, Elhokar's death killed me emotionally, and epilog where Hoid rescuing half-bonded Elhokars spren from Kholinar...😢
Just finished book 3 last night and couldn't wait to get up this morning and watch your reading vlog. About to start rhythm of war and im afraid ill finish it before your videos out for it 😥
It’s complicated but Spren are splinters of power from the Shards/Gods. Honor, Cultivation, and Odium are shards which have two components. The person or consciousness and then the power which does kind of have its own intent based on its attribute. Meaning Tanavast (Honor), the conscious being, did die but the power of the shard still exists. The Spren are little pieces of that power that have gained some level of sentience, and can act autonomously tho are still essentially split off parts of each God’s power. Edit: I was also wondering what you thought of how Vivenna (Azure) changed or grew from Warbreaker to Oathbringer?
Honestly? I didn't catch that she was the same person. 0.0 But that's me, not Sanderson. I miss those threads sometimes. That is very interesting. I feel like there's a LOT missing from that transition, which is probably the case, simply because Azure does NOT in any way feel like Vivenna to me.
@@ToriTalks2 No worries. I just didn’t read Warbreaker until after Oathbringer so I didn’t get to appreciate that at all. There’s a couple times Azure uses magic that you can tell it’s her, particularly during fights. I agree tho that A LOT must have had to happen in between. Like how she got her own sword like Nightblood or got facial scars. Sanderson is supposed to write a sequel to Warbreaker someday so hopefully we’ll find out. Did you notice Vasher? If not he’s way more obviously him in Rhythm of War.
@@ToriTalks2 Remember how Kaladin, Adolin, and Azure by some mysterious coincidence all knew the exact same kata? And how Azure told them to tell the person they learned it from that she was looking for him?
I think the point with Aesudan, is that she was always power hungry and controlling of Elhokar, and while he states that was something he needed, if we actually saw it we would probably hate her even more.
I wonder if you would revise your comments on Shallan and DID after you've finished the book. At the point in the book where you made your comments, you seemed to be assuming she was being viewed that way solely because of her light weaving, but I think as the story progresses, she reaches more of a crisis that is not based on her light weaving per se but on her suppression of trauma. Also, did you like the Wit epilogue? It always makes me tear up.
Hi William, thanks for watching, and for your comments. I still hold to my comments about Shallan and DID. In my longer clips that were edited out, I did mention the presence of her trauma, which is definitely a huge part of her character and very worth identifying as a major contributor to her actions and her need for Lightweaving. I don't deny that in the least. I also did mention that there were definitely similarities that make me understand why people make that correlation. My concern with using Shallan as a figurehead for people with D.I.D. doesn't actually have anything to do with her having trauma or having any mental illness related to that trauma, which she obviously does. The concern directly relates to Sanderson's use of language such as "playing a role" and "acting as Veil or acting as Radiant" and the fact that she makes a conscious choice to use one of them in any given situation. That kind of language can be difficult for people who deal with D.I.D. in reality simply because it is already a highly stigmatized and misunderstood disorder. I have no problems saying that Shallan is a character with severe trauma-induced mental illness. That is very clear. Does that make sense?
@@ToriTalks2 that's a great view on it! i remember sanderson mentioning in a video that if fans see him use language in a way that could harm those with certain illnesses he would really appreciate being informed by email
If you ever want to give an audiobook a try, i would recommend the graphic audio audiobook for this series, its really good! the cast is excelent and the background music puts a lot of emotion in confrontations and battles.
Kal and Shallan would have been the definition of a codependent relationship. Shallan needed someone more stable. Also I stand by my view that kal and jasnah could have taken long walks on the beach and scouled at people while secretly being great people but it wasn’t meant to be.
A lot of people point to Shallan and say DID!, but, as you said, she's not representive of DID, however, one of my best friends has the other side of the coin, Associative Identity Disorder, which aligns with Shallan very well.
Interesting! Yeah you're right, it's always hard to pinpoint one character as a representation. I will say that there are definite similarities, and I've heard that he changed it up a little bit in Rhythm of War so I'm curious to see the progression. That's awesome that you have personal experience with it and can read through that lens. It's really invaluable. :) Thanks so much for watching!
in the UK the books are split into two. After I finished radiance, I immediately read Oathbringer 1 but then left 2 on my desk for a month, picked it up yesterday morning and read all day until it was done i have ide why i took so long its so good
I kind of wish ours were split into two volumes XD It would be easier to see progress. But yeah, after WoR I couldn't wait to get into Oathbringer either!
It's OK, I don't want you to like me, either. I have said that the only way to create something that nobody hates is to ensure that it can't be loved, either. That you dislike me so I take as proof that Adonalsium knew what he was doing, but I'm afraid I speak too much.
i think the whole thing about elukars wife is that we are supposed to not belive him? no one in previous books apart from elukar had anything to say about her and we see the massive negative impact of her actions through Oathbringer and Radience
Yeah I totally agree with that. I'm the type of reader who doesn't like to be kept in the dark about characters, so I think it was more of a personal irritation than anything else XD
I liked Wit in book 1. Meh in book 2. The scene with Shallan was lovely. The epilogue gutted me. I was listening on audiobook and it was performed wonderfully.
I've heard that from a few people that really liked the audiobook! I tend to shy away from characters who are really vague and expect us to put things together XD My brain just doesn't work that way. But I can also appreciate why the people who love Wit love him. I really loved that scene with Shallan, that's definitely my favorite scene from either of them I think.
@@ToriTalks2 I tend to care less about the hint-dropping, mysterious characters (ie my favorite character from book 1 was Rock LOL). But I do enjoy listening to Wit's portions. If you can, I highly recommend the audiobooks for a 2nd or 3rd reading. I often turn on a chapter of Way of Kings for folding laundry 😄
@@candidwings5609 Rock is AWESOME. I loved him too. And I am very much the same with the "hint droppers". I haven't done much with audiobooks yet (I'm a paper page fiend) but I will definitely check it out for the reread. Sounds perfect for those never ending laundry piles.
I absolutely LOVE the deadeye and all of that story arc. It's a really fascinating contrast to Adolin (which I tend to love) and I'm really curious to see how things go in RoW.
These books have been a mixed bag for me. But just like Mistborn, everything boils down in the last 100-200 pages. Everything up until then, is either a hit or miss. He could have shaved off a couple hundred pages of "fluff" imo. You made a nice vlog though, I enjoyed your journey ;)
@@ToriTalks2 Hey, I was a bit worried when I noticed you have not published anything for many many months. So thanks for your reply, I'll sleep easier now :)
@@Nemo-se I’m planning on some new videos soon! I know it’s been forever, I feel awful lol. It’s been a wild year. I so much appreciate the support, and I can’t wait to put out some new content next month for you guys!
Well, she comes back in flashbacks of Rhythm of War and we get more of her character story, so clearly there was some importance! But based on how she was written in the previous books, she really doesn't come across as important, you're right.
*Spoilers, but explanation* Basically there was a big ol' god and he was hecka powerful, but the peeps didn't like him, so like 17 ish of them went to kill the God and his power split and 16 each took a part of them, Hoid didn't (i believe he was the 17th). Anyway they all became big gods too, #highest power beings we know of rn, and they're called Shards. That's like Odium and Honor and Cultivation and Ruin and Preservation and all the others. (Odium has been going through and getting rid of shards cause he don't like people or smth, idk.) Then on Roshar, Honor and Cultivation each made a Big spren and one together i think. Its not super clear on the nightwatcher. These are like the Stormfather and the Sibling and the Nightwatcher. Somewhere shoved in-between this tier and the one below, or around here, you find Odium's 9 spren things, idr if they are sprens, but they are smth similar enough anyway. Then there are the smart spren, like the cryptics and the honorspren and the inkspren and the voidspren. Then there are the emotional spren that are like animals. They can't really think or speak. That's basically the order of things. Oh and somewhere around Odium's 9 spren things and the bond spren, are the spren that have been attached to oathgates.
Ok I will summarize the hierarchy of the gods and heralds for you here (spoilers ahead): Water. Earth. Fire. Air. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked. Only the Avatar, master of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang. And although his airbending skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to save anyone. But I believe Aang can save the world.
Thanks so much for watching my videos! I can see why certain readers really love him, but I'm not his biggest fan either. He's fine but I'm not really interested in his character.
