@@daviddowling9830 The guy who build his youtube precense around his hate for JPEG and that he shoots Raw. I actually have recommended video from his channel in my sidebar. You might also have it.
When I started photographing, I used a lot of the unforgiving pos - film. You really had to understand the light meter in the camera. Then digital came and I became more and more lazy. I could fix it in post production :) But when I started shooting for a local newspaper, I had no time to do that afterwork, and I had to shoot Jpg, it was like starting all over again, I had to be a lot more accurate. Good learning definitely.
Why do you call film a pos? I understand it was a difficult tool to use back then and a lot of older photographers don't understand why it's still being used today, but I think to give it such a label is quite extreme :(
@@lilblingking1491 Film is what I learned on back in 1980 , you had to have a skill level behind the camera . Getting it right regardless of format reduces editing time .
That's interesting. I've learned to photograph on film already in the digital era with a 50 years old camera my husband's grandfather gave me. No light meter, manual focus. I've learned a lot, photography became a great pleasure. When I started using digital cameras I found post processing very boring, that's why I continue to do everything on camera.
This was fun. I shoot JPEG exclusively on Fuji, because I hate editing. It's really refreshing to hit the shutter and be done. I wouldn't go back to raw now, unless I really needed highlight control. But really a graduated filter works fine.
@@daviddowling9830 No point in that. With JPEG all the editing is done in camera and comes out as a finished image. With RAW the camera just captures all the light, you're supposed to edit the image afterward, because the out-of-camera RAW file is going to be flat and dull looking. This challenge is misleading because even shooting JPEG the images are never not edited. All those picture modes and adjustments Tom was doing in the camera menus, they're applying edits like sharpening, noise reduction, contrast, saturation, white balance, etc.
Indeed I think that many people would be shocked to find just how hard it is to correctly reproduce certain specific colors and tones in Lightroom, as it is with the in-camera Picture Styles like Vivid and Landscape. In fact, fall color is one area where I feel Adobe just does not come close to what my Nikon can do in-camera, when it comes to brightly exposed backlit Aspen leaves. I've resorted to shooting RAW+JPG a lot, and using the native software (Nikon View NX) to convert the NEF file to a TIF if I can't get the raw file to look like the JPG to my satisfaction.
@@JayGunn "With JPEG all the editing is done in camera..." It's comments like that that I find ridiculous. Yes, JPEG algorithms are applied to make the image usable out of the camera. But there is NOTHING stopping anyone from further editing - and doing so quite effectively. Absolutely nothing is "DONE" by shooting JPEG unless, you the user decide it's done.
Man I gotta say, I really like your videos when you're on your own, but Everytime you interact with Brendan o Greg... I just love it! Great video, great images as always.
There's 2 ways to be a photographer. Either working mostly as a computer nerd, or else actually taking pictures. Which one is your overall priority? I for one choose to NOT be so very control freakish. But rather, learn how to achieve as much as I can even with JPGS, and without being a perfectionist when the situation doesn't always call for it. If you're being paid to do a job, or else if you're otherwise trying to make a few buck for yourself, then shoot RAW.
"That's easy, I shoot Canon. One of the best presets ever" uhhhh clearly you've never shot Fuji JPEGs lol. No but seriously, Since defecting to Fuji, I've been shooting JPEG more with less serious photography like family events or chasing my toddler around the yard. Fuji JPEGs are beautiful and for the quick and simple editing I need to do with them (cropping, minor shadow and highlight recovery), they work just fine. The editability and the file size of RAW is not needed for those types of photos. Plus I can transfer JPEGs to my phone right in the field via bluetooth. Not having to import everything onto my computer, go through the editing process, export to a folder, and then send them to myself through imessage so that I can share it is a huge time saver when I'm just taking photos of my son. However if I go out shooting landscapes or doing street photography, I'll shoot RAW to one card and JPEG to the other, just as a backup to each other.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode Thomas, going through a bad patch with photography too so this is a different way to encourage me to try harder. Thanks again for the awesome content. All the best.
Thomas, I'm so glad that you delved into the Picture Styles for this challenge. I was hoping you would! Even as a raw shooter, I've been fiddling with these settings for 10+ years now. I find that they are incredibly useful, even when shooting RAW or RAW+JPG, because they allow you to push your creative vision closer to its final goal, while you're still in the field. If you do a lot of B&W, you can shoot RAW+JPG and then use the B&W/Monochrome Picture Style, combined with the in-camera contrast and other adjustments, to really help hone in on the ideal tonality throughout the whole image. Canon's Auto Lighting Optimizer is helpful if your GND's aren't enough to fully keep highlights and shadows playing nicely; you can really stretch the dynamic range of the camera to fit a scene, while still separately controlling contrast and clarity. Same thing goes for shooting color, and the "Landscape" Picture style. I always turn my in-camera contrast way down, and the in-camera saturation up a couple bumps, and then fiddle with the Auto Lighting Optimizer (Active D-Lighting on Nikon, and DRO on Sony) until the dyanmic range of the camera matches the DR of the scene. It's a bit of extra work in the field, but it sure helps a ton with getting closer to your creative vision, which allows you to focus and notice small details (and correct errors) that you might not otherwise discover until post-production. I've written a few articles on this subject, and vaguely outlined an entire eBook on the concept too, but I'm afraid that nobody will want to learn my crazy, hairbrained methods haha. It's probably too far-fetched to think that "serious landscape shooters" want to learn "how to shoot better JPGs" ...even though they're actually still shooting RAW. I'll probably keep the whole workflow to myself, I guess. Glad others are discovering its benefits, though!
Me too I like the way you think ! Please post a link for your ebook. Very interested by that. This video and your comment make me wanna to shoot RAW+jpeg and play more with the picture profiles on my 5DIV...
I am not sure if I get you correctly here, but playing around with picture styles may help in pre-visualisation but it certainly affects the histogram in Liveview as the it measures it from that "JPEG" sadly. A real RAW histogramm has been introduced in MagicLantern only as far as I know ... that's the reason I bumped all values down to have the least influence to it although the preview often looks dull.
@@Yamanotefy Indeed, this is why it is so important to understand in-camera processing! If you're ever concerned about the histogram accuracy, you can go in the complete opposite direction from what I just suggested, and use Neutral or Flat Picture Control instead, then turn the contrast down too if necessary. This can give a histogram that is almost identical to what a raw histogram might give.
@@MatthewSaville Ok, that's what I did first when I got the camera coming from the 5D2 with ML. Certainly I get why people also tweak their settings to better visualise their final output. Cheers mate!
Hey Thomas! You're killing it with your videos from Patagonia: a lot of fun to watch! This one is great too, love the small challenges like this, forcing to try stuff or (re)-learn what the camera can do!
What do you mean when you say cropping in JPEG is destructive? The crop will change the rest of the photo that you keep because of a compression algorithm or something?
I stared shooting JPEG a few months ago and prefer it. I save the RAW file onto the second SD card and backup it, so in case I have an image where I need to get more details out of the shadows & highlights, I get the RAW file. But 99% of the time I only use the JPEG straight out of camera, sometimes edit it a little bit, and I love it, it‘s perfectly fine. Edit: Also wanna mention that I don‘t do the exact work Thomas does. In that landscape area, I would also lean towards RAW. But when doing portraits, family, travel, street photography, sometimes random abstract stuff and some landscape, I prefer the easier JPEG workflow and to get as far as possible in camera. I also happen to just love the film simulations of my Fuji camera, Classic Chrome especially, which gets me really close to the look I like to have in my photos, so I’m lucky with that and that‘s part of the reason I enjoy the JPEG workflow.
Fabio Mota it is nice when you have a second card slot to do that as it saves the hassle of filtering the RAW from the JPEG files during import into Lightroom.
With Canon jpegs it is advisable to set 'Sharpness' at either +1 or +2 - any higher can produce 'ringing' effects around contrasting areas. Experimentation is the key.
Love the glacier picture! Also amazing colors on that tree! So hard to believe that it's actually fall there, when it's spring here in Holland, everything starts to bloom or is blooming here..
The desaturated image is absolutely awesome, and the pick (no pun intended) for me :) I think it is good sometimes to force yourself to think differently and try new approaches. It is good to see though that your approach to photography overall, i.e. getting it a right as possible in camera, has served you well for this challenge. Perhaps a lesson to all of us that sometimes lean on software just a little bit too hard. All the best.
Nowt wrong with that, loved it. As you know, I don't use lightroom and barely post process stuff. A really accessible video for everyone, showing killer results. Well played sir, not many pros would do what you do. 👍🏻
Thanks Joe. I'm a little sad you're taking a 3 month break, but babies and vlogging don't go hand in hand. You'll be back in time for the heather bloom.
Great challenge and solution. But. Please don't carry your camera and tripod over your shoulder like that, I know it looks cool and that's why I did it. I didn't feel so cool when the quick release on the tripod head quickly released and deposited £3.5k worth of almost new 6Dii and 100-400 lens on the pavement. That's why I get the willies when I see anyone else doing it! Tribute to Canon, apart from a scuff mark and a cracked lens hood they both survived.
This is probably heresy to most but I hate RAW, for me I feel life's too short to shoot RAW, I LOVE taking photos, I absolutely detest sitting behind a computer tweaking my photos. I'm not saying my photos are anything special, at all, but there's only one I've ever shot where I was really disappointed and felt the urge to really work at editing it. I'm happy with what I shoot in JPEG, and none of my photos are being sold, so wasting time editing them is for me just a waste of time, where I could be doing things I enjoy more. I feel there is too much "snobbery" shooting RAW perpetuated by types like Jared Polin.
its good that you do what you do. I think a lot of people, myself included consider jpg uneditable. you for sure lost in the spirit of the "challenge" of the competition...right.... filters, in-camera color adjustments...most of the things you'd do in post...but in "pre". but still, I found this video when I was looking for reasons why ANYONE would shoot in jpg and you presented many ways to shoot great pictures under restriction. well done, sir. well done.
i also shoot jpg FUJI GFX but in some cases raw converted to TIFF using camera exif data in the raw files in a sundown converted to tiff has way more collors 14bit vs jpg 8bit jpg sundowns has bending in the collors, the tiff.s has no bending but the cost is 292 mb tiff files vs 30mb on my fuji gfx 50r where the dynamic range is importan like sundown tiff is the way to go for me but in lanscape sport event streat i dont se the difference in quallity sorry for my bad inglish
right, i was amazed when i found out you could do some good editing with the new win10 photo app! Great app and it gives basic tools but sometimes you don't need more!
Talk to your kids about unsafe photography. Always shoot RAW. When you shoot JPEG your'e also shooting the same image that 1000s of other people have been with.
Your camera panning is giving me vertigo. Also, you didn't give time to focus on the composition. As to the jpeg limitation challenge they should keep in mind that you're still doing an awful lot of composing and even camera styles still allows for processing albeit baked into rather than left open for post-processing. With modern digital cameras and post-processing there is no good reason to shoot B&W other than an education environment and challenges such as these. In my view, B&W landscapes requires high contrast which you don't have much of in this scene. However, there are legitimate reasons to choose jpeg over RAW. It would be a waste of storage space to photograph of a crack in the wall for example.
By a show of hands, how many forgot how to use their in-camera processing engine? Shooting M mode with RAW files for so long I have forgotten about the capabilities of my camera. Maybe worth a try at JPEG again for the fun of it. Thomas, you truly are an inspiration.
Thomas and JPG, pick my jaw up off the floor! Outstanding images but I still prefer the flexibility of not baking all the decisions into the in-camera image. Thanks for sharing!
dude...ive shot my garden in my terrace for like a 30-50 times...every time i discover something different... dont say youre bored...you just arent a photographer by blood.... im sorry if thats too hard...but thats thats the truth...you gotta pivot...
Thomas, as a Nikon (don't know if you can with canon) user I can add filters in the B&W profile in jpeg custom settings ie green, red, yellow ect the sort of filters you would use when shooting B&W film.
The menu really doesn't allow you to bring the contrast down to zero. That wouldn't make any sense. You have some range, yes, but even there this is not necessarily the same range as Lightroom gives to you. Love your content, I just feel that Pros like you should be as accurate as possible because people will learn from you and might get confused ;).
Is that the F-Stop Ajna camera bag your using now Thomas. I'm looking at a new bag and that's the one I'm looking at buying. I looked on your gear blog and it says your using lowepro.
I think that more than anything this is just a scam to break you out of the pack. “I’m the photographer who’s so good that I don’t have to do anything is post production, and my stuff is perfect.” Uh huh ...
Digital photography spoiled us as photographers, I feel. This doesn't turn that dial all the way back to that, but it does challenge you to think more about the final image while shooting.
I used to never edit photos, if it didn't come out right straight from the camera I deleted it. It felt like cheating to me. I'd like to think it made me a better photographer but that's probably just wishful thinking. More likely it just made delete a lot of great shots.
@Chris, I haven’t followed the recent controversies but I do know that Moose often shoots evidence for court proceedings about endangered species. In that context, you cannot post process anything! The photographic world is large and varied. We all need to remember that. That said, while I’m no biologist, I am trained in science. I would want the raw data out of the sensor, plus some calibration images of, for example a color patch card.
I swear by peg feel more pure but still do few minimal edits none is a bleep of challenge mainly crop and exposure can look different on bigger screen Rockwell moose Gordon club jpeg application in mail polin on the other hand ha ha
what a challenge, you will have to take photos like in the film days when you had to get it right as many times as possible! It isn't as easy to shoot jpeg when in RAW you just take the pic and then edit it right later lol
For many people, using the camera presets or using the camera custom presets is a viable alternative to computer-based post processing. I use Canon's RAW + JPEG and I find that most of the JPEGs are fine for my uses, but as you point out, cropping is a problem since it causes decompression.
I bet you didn't even wait until you got back to the hotel to set your camera to RAW. Just grab that body and make the changes in the van. Good to get out of your comfort zone from time to time.
Look at all the great friendships you`ve made Thomas. Brendan,Greg and the hundreds of other from your workshops. Wouldn't`t have that just staying in the UK,great bonus. Oh yeah, you get to shoot a bit as well. Loving your work brother.
Mr Heaton you are a legend “jpeg that’s easy I shoot canon’” brilliant!!👍 stunning images Tom 👍 great video you and Brendan work well together my Sunday night is complete 👍
