He makes an interesting point regarding Criminal Records: should employers and the general public be allowed to check past criminal offences of potential employees? Considering that “Correctional Services” aka Prison exists not just for punishment but is also meant to be a rehabilitation programme THEN why are criminal records allowed to be used as an instrument of bias against ex-convicts after they have served their time aka “been successfully rehabilitated”? Personally, as an employer I would like to know if an employee has ever been criminally convicted and for what crime. But legally I also feel it’s wrong for criminal records to remain on a person’s database (outside of the criminal justice system & with the exception of sexual offenders) when they have served their time. Otherwise, why release that person back to the public if you feel that their criminal record must be made available to anyone (including potential employers) and used to discriminate against that person? Does that mean the justice system does not trust that their own rehabilitation programme works? So we must either change what the purpose of correctional services/prison is OR the government must ensure employment opportunities for the unemployable ex-convicts. Because most people who do commit crime are those who are able to work but are excluded from the labour market or unable to find employment. But I guess unemployment forms part of a broader issue affecting not only ex-convicts but the general South African population. Anyway, I lost my train of thought. Swag!
@@risengabaloyi8126 respectfully, I don’t think you understood my point nor actually read what I said about my own preference towards hiring ex-convicts. This is mainly about what should be the actual role of the justice system in relation to dealing with convicted people. That is a prerogative of the government, not individuals like myself. I can try do what I believe is right as an employer, but it’ll be a drop in an ocean if the government doesn’t actually change or improve their approach in terms of how they run prisons and the justice system overall.
I think competition plays a part here also, I do not think ex-convicts are discriminated against, but I believe they are disadvantaged when it comes to the labor market, it's a no-brainer if I have a job post and 3 people apply, one of them has a criminal record, they would have to impress me that much for me to choose them over people without criminal records. Truth is, once you have a criminal record you are a risk to society, and everybody deserves to know your past before dealing with you. There have been cases where ex-convicts are given second chances and they still do the crime, we can't be that irresponsible and ignore that. just my opinion.
@@SenzoDlomo The discrimination is mainly earned through their own prior actions, but I don't believe they should entirely be excluded from the labour market b/c with free time on their hands they'll likely return to what they know best. I'd also only hire one if they are extraordinary & the crime they committed is something I can stomach & they show through their actions that they've turned a new leaf, otherwise no, It'd be too risky b/c of the chance of reoffending. We just need reform & people in power willing to make the necessary changes for a better SA b/c that would benefit us all in the end as everything is interconnected.
@@remotespotjobs very relaxed and thorough. The length of the upload also makes it easier for us to follow the story without having to wait for a 2min upload to link it to what was said last week in another 2min clip 🙆🏾♂️ All in all a lovely video, pure class👏🏾
Lol you have to pay R59 a month for the lengthy ones. This upload has probably been made available because the paying members have watched the full content and they are just throwing us a bone.
Bafo sounds like a nice guy who is ready to do the right things in life, I believe he learnt his lesson. All the best to him and hopefully he gets a job so he can take care of his family.
Thank you for sharing your story bro. I agree about the criminal record being a second sentence on your life. I hope this can be relooked at, because all the investment that the state makes on rehabilitating you should be to prepare you for the world as a cleansed person. I think it should be relooked at man. Someone as smart as you deserves an opportunity to contribute to society in a better way. We connot afford to keep risking having repeat crime as a norm. We really need to rethink this!
I feel the pain of criminal record... There are ppl who paid admission of guilty fine & never went to prison or even a police station cell but now they have to stay for 10 years.. I hate this system
This is very arrogant coming from someone with a MURDER conviction. Vele you're a criminal, did you expect a heroes welcome 'emnyango'? You put yourself in a situation where you're at the back of the queue for services, there are innocent people who also struggled but didn't resorted to crime, they will get first preference for opportunities. You chose the shortcuts in life while everyone else chose the difficult path. Maybe it you choose to take the long route this time around instead of being entitled, you might really be redeemed and have success in your life.
I don't mean any harm mfowethu, but this has been a lesson kmina ukuthi you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, his motive for such is completely understandable, when one fights you with intentions of killing you would definitely retaliate unfortunately his retaliation led to someone losing a life
Your point is valid my brother for theft fraud and no violent crime, but for murder the person you killed what about their kids as you want a second chance to work for your kids?
As much as I don’t like it, even convicted killahs deserve a second chance. Otherwise why bother releasing the person after serving time? Why not “unalive” them after they are found guilty? I do believe in the “unalive” penalty for certain crimes. But currently the law doesn’t allow that. So legally the person deserves a second chance by virtue of them having been found guilty, sent to jail and then released.
This is a significant and justified point you are making @kgosimahlaku1981. I guess it's true when they say that the sins of fathers fall on their children. I still, however believe that his children do not deserve to suffer because of his actions, they deserve a working father who can provide for their basic needs and more. I am saying this as a person who lost their father due to murder, even so, I do not wish the children of my father's murder to struggle because of their father's sins. They deserve the world and more. Let's give him a second chance to be there for his children, to provide and be a better father.
What he said is both right and wrong. It's wrong to stigmatized people on their mistakes. But also let's not forget there are millions of unemployed graduates who have no criminal record
Correctional facilities are big business, they need some of these guys to come back. They will never clear the criminal records immediately after serving their time.
Once again on CRIMINAL RECORDS: it really feels like double punishment. Why then not just “unalive” the person after they are found guilty of the crime? That way we don’t have to worry about them not finding employment and reverting to crime after they are released from prison. If we say as a country (through the justice system) that we believe in second chances, that we believe in CORRECTIONAL services, then we must show it through our actions. If a prisoner is not deemed suitable for release, they are kept in prison for longer. If they are deemed suitable, that means WE as the justice system are saying “OKAY, THIS PERSON DID SOMETHING BAD. BUT WE ARE NOW RELEASING THEM BACK TO THE PUBLIC NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE GIVEN UP ON THEM, BUT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THEY HAVE BEEN REHABILITATED.” So remove their criminal record because it becomes an obstacle to their outside rehabilitation. Or as I previously said, the government must then be the ones to employ ex-convicts because the discrimination against them will always remain in the private sector. But one thing we cannot allow to continue is a growing population of ex-convicts who are unemployable. That just creates a violent cycle of crime.
In South Africa, people with no criminal records struggle to find employment, if an ex-con gets their criminal history cleared it does not guarantee them better opportunities over the high population of unemployed people and when they don't have better opportunities, history has taught us that they are likely to go back to their old ways. Based on this, I can argue that their criminal history is not the reason they can't find employment and lack of employment is not a justifiable reason to commit crime while millions of unemployed people choose to not commit crimes, unfortunately, you reap what you sow.
@@SenzoDlomo South Africa has potential to be such a great nation, but we’re failed at leadership level… It’s true that our country’s economy is in the dumpster because unemployment and inequality are at an extreme high. Normal people can’t find employment. Nobody is guaranteed a job, especially ex-convicts. Conservative figures state that at least 10% of job-seekers have criminal records… However, unemployment/poverty IS actually the biggest cause of crime. You really can’t separate most crime from poverty and unemployment. So “denying” people employment and equal opportunities (whether they are normal people or ex-convicts) is a recipe for high crime rates. Even if unemployment had absolutely nothing to do with crime, we can’t just exclude and ignore a large population simply because they are ex-convicts. We think we’re punishing them but in reality we’re hurting ourselves in the longterm due to rising crime and unemployment. Legally they already reaped what they sowed by going to jail and serving parole. Here’s a 30-year old mother who was jailed for shoplifting formula milk 10 years ago: now she’s looking for a job as a street cleaner but can’t find employment NOT because the job is not there, but because the HR person doesn’t want to hire her due to her criminal record. Her crime had nothing to do with the job she’s applying for now. Are we saying people like that must reap what they sow until they die? So she must be a burden to the social grant system when she could be serving society and earning an income? I’m not condoning crime. Crime is wrong and people must be punished for it. The main issue here is how do we punish people? For how long? And do we even believe in our own rehabilitation programmes? I need us (the people and the government) to be honest about this.
Atleast my brother say government should clear you after 3 years, coz u can't say they must just wipe your record of the system. Watif u stabbed someone and convicted then a butchery hires you in the dark that you were once convicted of stabbing then you stab someone in the workplace again. Don't you think it's a risk that was taken by the government and the company could hold the government reliable of not letting the company decide if they wanna take that risk.
This is my homeboy, and wagaxela by killing a wrong person 💔 but his lying if ethi he took the number inside the jail, in high school he was already phakamisa izithupha
