Is normal , since most ret palas quit on first 2 weeks of the expansion since how unplayable it felt vs casters , is a old favorite class so they came back after the rework .
Ret pally here. I really misjudged Venruki a few month ago after the big ret nerf before the rework, but now I can say I was so wrong. He really want to have a healthy pvp environment with every class to be viable, fun to play and have an impact in the game. One thing I can say for sure to everyone, just so you know. We rets, the ones that play the spec for a long time, know that the spec is OP right now and we do not want that to be. We want a solid A tier for every class (impossible? maybe). And also, we hate the FOTM people as much as everyone, is not fun either as ret to go against another every game and in SS to have teams of 2 rets, its unfun, we want to see every spec in the game. In summary, thank you for pointing out the issue Ven and for the professional opinion on the matter. Much respect!
Made this ret today... also full conquest set of gear btw because of the 375conquest set piece transfers from other main (was mentioned but still to re-mention for the non-listeners)
Definitely going to second the important bit that, gladiators play like gladiators. Great players, especially your healer, communicated like pros and got the job done. Nothing ground breaking news about it, but the same task would be a bit more different with to elemental shaman and a godly healer, or two DKs and a God healer. Retribution is in an ok spot when not shut down by ranged classes. And Judgment of the pure was nerfed to a 14th of its former self in battlegrounds or ¹/3 of its previous power in threes. Only removes magical effects from the Ret who casts it. No more mass dispell unless you bring a priest, like you did, so I guess you like dispells.
I would argue that judgements of the pure not dispeling allys is much more of a nerf then 66%, since atm it can be used to consistently remove cc from your healer
@BecjedMW my math was each player being auto dispelled if within 40 yards is 100 percent of the dispells possible in 3s, making it only dispell the caster of judgement removes its function for 2/3 of your team which is 66% of your team. What I was not saying is the nerf is a 66% reduction to overall paladin viability.
i tried out ret too and its fun, even tho its broken it is genuinely fun but i think the state of the game is pretty bad when a burst spec is doing more burst and consistent damage than literally any other class in the entire game like why play unholy when u can play ret why play warrior when u can play ret why play rogue when u can play ret why play any melee or really any caster when u can play ret now my main doesnt feel fun, and my alts that arent rets dont feel fun its just a stressfest im happy that rets have a solid foundation for a spec now but the numbers yall put out are simply too high thats just a fact
Other classes has been op for 12 years or more, ret was op just at the beginning of shadowlands, you never seen a ret in the World championship, ( a part shadowlands S1) for the past 10/12 years we’ve been soo bad. At the end Justice has been done ✅
@@Spartacon88 imean thats objectively wrong and also there has never been a class in wow history as broken as rets currently, justice will be served when yall get nerfed into the ground again back on ur wheelchairs
@@Spartacon88 I don't know man.. even when other classes were OP, they're mostly only good in one aspect. Like if you have a lot of utilities, then you're very likely to be short in damage. Or your spike damage is super high, but the consistent damage is low. It's a trade-off. And the OP classes are usually good only because certain features of the current meta amplify their advantage and hide their disadvantages. But last week's ret pally? It was something else. They have all the utilities, tanky as a raid boss, high consistent damage, and frequently one-shotting people. There were no weaknesses, and other classes didn't even stand a chance. This is against the fundamental design of wow pvp and just purely not right. I guess that's the reason Blizzard didn't even wait until reset to tune Rets down.
@@Spartacon88 Ret. was decent more times then you're willing to admit, that's not the point though. Think it's good Ret. talents got better but one minute wings is just fundamentally too strong in PVP. Besides that the sustain is very good now as well and that makes ret basically good at everything which is too much.
Yeah like as if the changes to rets didnt make it completely op? Im guessing your one of those morons that plays ret cause its easy and has a million defenses yet you still think that they should do as much damage as other classes with FA defensives? Rets are a joke crying about how everyone knows they should be nerfed. Rets were already way strong before any of these updates so if you were struggling then it has nothing to do with your build you are just trash at the game
So weird to me that people thing judgements of the pure is op, when its literally been in the game forever, and not the fact that all of rets proc damage triggers off the same ability. So if you line up your damage correctly you will do 2/3 of someones hp in an instant. Like just move inquisitor's ire and divine arbiter off of verdict and the class would be so much easier to evaluate.
People are ired because one PvP talent is hard countering certain specs, and without any thought or adjustment required. Your rotation doesn't change, you don't need extra globals spent, no CD trading involved. You just dispel debuffs from classes that are designed around them having uptime. Shadow priests and elemental shamans seem to be hurt the hardest. For comparison, imagine if elemental shamans disarmed you on every flame shock cast or prevented you from using or generating holy power. You'd be fuming.
How is a throwable cleanse on a short cd which dispels so much not OP? Casters struggle enough to get spells off with thiszugzugmeleecomp fest, trying to reapply dots as a shadow priest/affli lock ALL the time is HORRIBLE gameplay because by the time the dots are back up, theyve been dispelled again. Its "more" OP now because EVERYONE has rerolled ret, there is a ret in every single game ive played so far. Bring on the nerfs to ret, or buff some other spec to make all these garbage rerollers reroll for the 3249029843792th time this expansion.
You do realize that there's no point in playing Rogue ever since the rework and Paladin is probably the closest you can be at playing rogue? Sub lacks any damage outside of Shadow Dance and they rely on a gimmick of doing a ton of damage via capstone talents. Outlaw does that damage that pretty much tickles and falls flat on their face in pretty much every aspect. Sin Rogues were attempted to be balance but blizzard messed that up because they introduced talents and changes that counteracted the nerfs they were supposed to receive. If we're going the CC route, Outlaw is going to get hit the hardest when it comes to the CC chains with Sub being buffed and Sin remaining Neutral. 10.1 Crit Damage change also hurts Outlaw harder than the other 2 specs which have had their time to shine. Compare that to Ret Paladin which takes 5 seconds to learn the class, set up macros, keybinds, and a couple hours to gear and it's the easiest path to Duelist. If you're still getting ratio'd by rogues in arenas now, you're probably bad at knowing when they burst and need to record a couple game sessions to rethink how to engage rogues because once you figure it out, Rogues are easy to counter. I've done it and you should be able to.
The sad thing is blizz has been killing it with frequent balancing. Then this abomination gets through. To their credit they did try to fix it without deleting it pretty quick and Ret is now just S+ tier, but auto judgement dispel with double charge on a low cd needs to go. After that they'll just be regular S tier and someone has to be might as well be rets and warriors.
Demo locks, rogues, arms warr, DHs... this entire expansion has been plagued by overpowered specs, ret rework just made a lot more people bring out their alts.
@@slimpurt i hate people like you, how is saying other classes are OP justifying this mess that they've done to rets?? They should just nerf the other classes and not give this abomination of a class a spammable dispel with no repercussions... get a grip.
What peeps dont understand is, people who are 2200+ play like 2200+ players no matter what class they play. What people are seeing now, is how well a class can play when built right.
@@Millirawk very true 12 seconds of that which require full uptime can be pretty rough if you're not using CCs or defenses. Though I do believe the pvp community is learning how to counter em well enough.
I am proud of you venruki , you have correctly embraced the ret paladin degeneracy. Now you know why a lot of people plays it, is fun and the ones angry are just the people that claim loving balancing and play wow like 4 days per month or not even subscribed . People love pvp when every class is broken , this is a fact , remember shadowlands s1 ,the convokes , the condemn warriors , the rogues one shotting , it was beautiful . Anyone that tells me they didn't love to one shot people back then is lying .
You’re also playing with top tier players and you’re a rank 1 player yourself. Multiple people have went 2400 on every class in a few weeks of playing each one. This doesn’t mean something broken nor does it surprise anyone that you can get to 2300 on any class.
Surely Rets are very strong but idk if its a casual look at them if the best PvPers in the game pick that class up for a showcase to the masses ^^ obviously multi R1 people that played the game for literally the entire WoW History in PvP are doing very good on any class. Like every good player i watch picked up just any class in the game and pumped it to 2500 or even 3k+ rating in shuffle like its nothing, thats not only with Ret. The core understanding of PvP and thousands of thousands played 3s games as experience is a nice little foundation for Success with any class in WoW PvP. Obviously Ret is very strong right now and judgment dispel is OP but just saying im not impressed when multi rank 1 PvPers that played this game for ages and do a living out of that can do well on a strong class. You should do well if you spent half ur life on a game, if not that would be pretty sad. Not trying to be a dick here i just look at it from a realistic standpoint.
i think this is something different... they are surely good but they are playing a class they barely touched with no MS in 3s... i doubt if they can achieve the same with 2 enhance shaman/aff lock/evoker or 2x anything that does not have MS..
Exactly he didn't do this when rogues were broken last few months or any other class he hates rets he has rep of trying discriminate them fir long time ....a frost mage sure
So when rogues mages and locks are broken unkilleble its ok when other classes starts to kick shit from them its bad.We all know that rets will be op for some time then they will kill them and they will be garbo
@@Ali-cr9ex Dude shadowlands Balance druid was convoking with one button and one shoting 2 people and warlocks with 2 chaos bolts were killing u from 100% so i dobt think u know what u are talking about ;)
How do I gear up fully in a day? I know there’s the catchup mechanism aka no weekly cap any longer but it’s still a grind and it’s hard and tedious without previous gear. How do you do it, am I missing something?
In regards to your comment about everything lining up for rets CD wise, wings, FR, on use trinket, all of that only works cuz of the rework. before then it was an awful mess of mismatched CD timers
It wasn't an awful mess. The only bad part was seraphim and FR were less than 1min. All you did was hold off using them for 15 seconds. Every other wings you'd have trinket. And if you weren't just pressing buttons as soon as they came off CD you could line up trinket , seraphim and FR every minute. That's not hard.
why i stopped playing deagonflight is because of the class balancing its quite bad from the lack of neglect on some classes down to not doing anything about ret paladins.
Uhh why do I feel like I'm the only one here that has no idea what those boxes were that he opened in the beginning to get that gear.. what am I missing here?? 🤔
I have been screaming this on the Ret forums for a month when they first started. Some of the design decisions were just absurd. Crusading Strikes a month ago was the most broken talent they ever added to Ret back then. You could tell a month ago it was going to be broken.
@@nf_qc6486 buffing other classes would then suddenly make Ret weak. Or it would make healers have an impossible time, when everyone can do 350k damage in 1.5 seconds. No one wants DH and rogue to get buffed back to current Ret levels.
I wish I could taste the tears of all the hypocritical, self-entitled hunters and rogues who have been OP for nearly 2 decades suddenly whining about OP Retribution.
It’s just a very well-built class right now if they did a rework to everything it would feel this way on everyone’s class. People are just pissed off because it’s such a smooth class right now but you can still going to be out Bersted by certain classes and it’s not a guaranteed Win just because you play ret you still have to be good.
Ven wins a game: lol look how OP the ret is Ven loses a game: doesn't count, because I dont play it that long (ret still op btw) meanwhile Ven is like 3.6k or w/e rated, most likely one of the best pvpers in the world, beating chest how he wins games against 2.2k scrubs who couldn't get highter even tho they still play the most OP classes (arms, shamns, locks, hunts,... ). ever heard about game sense? anyone who has glad can pick next class and ride it like you just did, that says nothing about the class (except that it is viable) but says a lot how great the player is not even mentioning at some games, lock/sham/wars do way more dps sure, just top dps doesnt mean a win but when ret does top dps, you lose your shit, even tho half of the dps is cleave tickle dmg or pet dmg and your "1600 people jumped to 2400" argument is supposed to prove what? that the ret was complete dogshit before the fix? any decent ret got their rating BEFORE the NERF but we dont talk about that part, am I right. we dont talk about those people coming back, we dont talk about people who went arms coz ret was terrible. but we do talk when RIGHT NOW we see a lot of rets = ret is OP. also people just LOVE to follow the narrative, like quitting pvp or game because RET STRONK, which makes pvp even worse as everyone but ret queues. maybe if you fotm rerollers kept playing, instead crying liek babies or rerolling ret, the pvp wouldnt turn into pile of smoking cat vomit. the delusion is strong, you can claim ret is strong, that it is OP but I still remember one clip of you facetanking ret with wings up so now seeing you run away and respecting the wings is nice change. agree or not if ret is OP (I do agree) but your arguments are based on bullshit numbers and "proofs". anyways, I cannot wait for the pvp tourny and see ret get shat on. -sincerely, ret main, who pvps on arms
For all of you crying trying to justify rets not being broken because "herr derrr locks/rogues/dhs are broken too :(((" No one has disagreed? but name another spec thats managed to climb from 1500-3 rating in a day? i know MULTIPLE people now who were hardstuck on their main class (some of which were these broken classes you cry about) but then have breezed to 2800+ 3k+ on a ret.
I play Ret and several other classes. That’s a huge exaggeration. Ret is good. But I also enjoy the other classes I play just the same. Disc is my fav atm. Everyone is really overreacting because it’s just not usually Ret. It’s usually mage or rogue that is op and nobody pays it much mind when it’s those classes.
@@SeemsLikeSomething why ret players are coping hard trying to convince people that rets are not broken? youre just bad if youre not stomping every lobby with ret
@@erenanarchy9538 EXACTLY! These Bias morons thinking "IF I say it enough times it'll be true, Ret isn't OP Ret isn't Op Ret isn't OP" RET is taking over the meta, in every single game, if you aren't Ret you are trolling. People who think "Oh, I was 1200 now I'm 2900 on Ret....which means I'm better" No it means RET IS OP and is carrying your ass. You don't want it to be nerfed so you need to talk through your ass to say they aren't OP.
@@SeemsLikeSomething That's because it wasn't this bad and didn't have the same impact on the community as Rets being OP did. Where everyone is playing Ret gaining tons of rating, and people are dealing with a Ret in nearly every game. I mean the fact that you can have solo shuffle games with 3+ Rets made it miserable to play anything else.
ret pally made me stop playing the game... sure i could make a pally and own people by auto running around a map with not a care in the world but to me ret has made the game feel like shit especially as someone that only plays arcane mage or healers ive given up on the game, rating isnt even about rating anymore its just about the 'flavour of the month that is too over powered' if you dont play the meta which atm is just ret then youre a dogshit trash player apparently.. actual joke of a game atm
Finally Ret is in a place where it deserves to be, from one of the most important classes lorewise and thematically the most ''epic'' the gameplay needs to live up to the reputation imo
Man i truly hate the retail wow UI its so fucked up. like when u get an achievement etc it overlaps the ui and u cant press anything on your screen. stuff like that is so fucking annoying.
