I tried riding a 450 in hard enduro - struggle fest 

Haha pretty much. He waited for us a couple times, he’s quite patient. But yeah basically he was doing laps around me. 😂. I got stuck after I launched the bike up that rock face and he stopped to pull me out of a hole mid lap. Incredible how much he can flow up that stuff!

What year is the bike, have you done any mods to it?

Thank you very much!!

I’ll be honest, sometimes it IS the bike 😅. I had a major issue with my 300XCW suspension that made what’s normally simple things for me very difficult. Buuuut yeah…rare for that to happen.

There is for the crf450r tho

At least that of what we know 😂😂😂

I've used a KTM 520 for hard Enduro for 4 months.... What a workout😂😂

**laughs in KX500**

@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443you gotta accept the fact that 4 strokes are just better

Oh yeh. The “Motion Escapes” are just wonderful. Absolutely just another level compared to Yamaha. I prefer motion escapes anytime the riding conditions permit. Everyone around here rides the Motion Escapes. My grandmother got one and she rips now.

Inactually realized that I was accidentally on the motocross map all day 😂. And it still did great! But the factory hard terrain map is what I typically would run and it is pretty darn good.

Yeah huge difference there! The fx is I’d say the best bet for this terrain. The 450XCF-W’s are pretty awesome too.

I’ve ridden numerous 250fx’s but never in hard enduro. They’re incredible in single track though. Maybe one of the best handling bikes I’ve been on. I imagine they’d do just fine in techy terrain.

@BeRAD Thank you for a fast reply. That's great! Currently I ride a 200xcw but would like to change things up a bit;) continue great work you do cheers🍻

The 450. The 125 just doesn’t have enough guts at elevation above like 8000ft. And even then, it’s a bitch to keep the motor spinning. I always had overheating issues in techy terrain above 6-8k feet on the 125. It was fun, but required so much revs and clutch that it couldn’t handle the heat.

I use the Klim chin mount that pops into the F3/F5 helmet. It’s great! Chin mount is the way to go one way or another.

Cool, I have a TLD helmet so will look for something similar. Thanks for the response and thanks for the videos as always.

made my day ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Buy me one and I’ll provide!

@@BeRAD oh wow did you get rid of it?

@@BeRAD ok

@@noahkouhouptyes. Sold it over a year ago. Would love another at some point. It was my favorite bike I’ve ever owned. Just not practical to travel with since I’m often at high elevation where it struggles.

Just heard you mention it actually, I had paused the video to comment this haha.

If you plan on going real slow all the time, then sure. I have both a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke. The 450 I think can struggle if you are going through real slow terrain on a hot day. But it’s so much more fun to ride than a two stroke.

I’d sure like to have both some day. I reeeaalllyy had fun on this 450. But glad to have a 250x again too.

@@BeRAD right! It’s 80% 2 stroke and 20% 4 stroke for me. But man when I do get on the 450, it’s fun. But exhausting

The 350’s are the absolute worst bikes for slow riding though. They flame out so easily. At least any one I’ve ridden, which has been a fair amount.

@@BeRAD No issues with my 2020 fx350 flaming out. Great vidya!

I mostly ride a 300. Just got a 450 for the first time a couple days ago. It’s a blast and not to much to handle at all.

​@@BeRAD i reckon this will be solved at some point with clutch/gearbox tech in the future and 350's will be all round king. It'll just take one race for a 4st to win to start changing minds. Similair to Sam hill winning downhill mountain bike world cup on flat pedals when everyone else was running cleats.

@@BeRAD Best solution for flameout is a Rekluse clutch.

Haha that would be a great video. If you can find a loaner for me I’ll make it happen

Its actually pretty good- been riding 500s in PA woods for decades.

Haha far from too good but thank you!

Yes and melt a piston haha. I’d rather know when it’s getting too hot. That’s the point of it boiling over!

@@BeRAD Haha thanks for the reply! 1. That would be an easy catchy answer but I do not think Evans would exist if that happened to engines using it. 2. 4T engines as long as they have their lub oil intact they almost never fail because engine alloys melt at a really higher temps than coolants boils. 3. I have been using Evans in a '07 400EXC for the past 10 years in real extreme enduro conditions without a cooling fan and a 1.4 radiator cap, never boiled and never had an engine issue. The only time that even Evans boiled (and that would be at around 190 deg C - 375 F) was when I had a pump impeller failure and the coolant was not circulating. Still nothing happened because engine alloys melt at ~650 C - 1200 F. 4. Try it and thank me later. 😉

...as for the workout...I got an xtrainer 300 this year.. hahaha

meting and increasing tolerances are two different things ;) @@oly10676

None. Stock maps. I actually accidentally had it in the Moto map this whole ride 😂. Didn’t even notice though. The hard terrain stock map would have helped it run even cooler and a little less prone to stalling. But I guess good clutch work makes it not an issue anyway.

I’ve got one. Still not great

100% still a big bore high compression stall machine hahaha

I really don’t think it would make much difference actually. Once uncorked it’s nearly identical to the FX. Suspension would be a bit more plush though which would help, yes.

It literally can though….that was the point of the video! It’s a more effort but it’s every bit as capable. My big mistake here was just not having the right tire setup. It would never be my first choice but it can absolutely do hard enduro. I believe Billy bolt has even stated that he’d rather ride a 4T if it weren’t for the overheating in (some) situations. I’m not sure what 450 specifically you were riding but unsure know that the 450’s especially from the euro manufacturers around 2012 were and are absolutely miserable to ride slow. This fx is great in slow. Sooooo I don’t know why you’re upset about putting 450 and hard enduro in the title lmao. Comes off as pretty whiny haha. But anyway, thanks for the input and for watching all these years! Give a newer 4T a try and see what you think! They’ve come a long way!

@@BeRAD Lovely response from a brother in arms (dirty arms) and your view is highly respected from me, but as we agree to disagree allow me to elaborate: The problem with these bikes is only visible when it is too late. My experience was with two Euro 450s dedicated on enduro, not cross overs, (Husabergs 2004 and 2010 (upside down engine)) and for our discussion i will deduct the overheating problem of all 450s AND how that affects the pump in the EFI newer ones, forcing you to quit a race from a dead pump as it had been overheating on you while training and i will only refer to the weight problem they have when during a race a) you are forced to pick them up way more often than you planned, stealing the endurance out of you and b ) when trying to turn or brake on downhills of gravel that include turns. Yes, lots of money are spent in trying to improve them (including riders supporting them) but when Graham signed with Husqvarna they forced him to race a 350 instead of his regular 300 and he ended up 6th which was unheard of for that man and on the next race he was back on a 300 and back on top (#1) where he remained for the rest of the whole season. The only way to discover their true shortcomings is when it is too late (when you race them) Comment in all love from an experienced (3x) but now retired Romaniacs silver class racer. ♥💪 I ain't whining, i just love protecting people from purchasing wrong tools for the job they might intent them for. They are great fun bikes for having fun and go distance, but not to race extreme on! They exhaust the racer more than the race would!

@@Achilleas7that’s pretty much exactly what I said in the video! So we don’t disagree. But you can ABSOLUTELY do hard enduro on one. If Cody were riding this, he’d not have struggled to get through. Not all 4T’s are created equal and the fx is by far the best 4T I’ve ridden for this stuff. You can’t compare apples to oranges! As for Graham and the 350…well yeah, the 350’s are horrible for slow riding lol. Flame outs and stalls, not much bottom end grunt. Overheating….didn’t have that issue on the 450. I very explicit sly state in the video that a beginner rider should by no means get this bike for hard enduro. Not anyone really. But it can for sure DO IT if needed.

@@BeRAD Yep... can be done if needed... just like banging a chick u don't like if you are the last couple remaining on the world 😂Mankind will continue but at what cost? As extreme is the only game i enjoy playing, i wouldn't be buying a 4T even if they were the last bikes remaining. The FX might be better than the rest, i'll give you that! 😏

@@BeRAD And i will admit... i have lost interest in riding, especially after a forest fire burned my 2 sexy 2 strokes and all the garage around them that was able to rebuild any bike from scratch back to pristine condition and blast/ceracote/powdercoat'em.. So, i am admitting that in order to say that i only responded to the title of the video and wasn't into watching it, but i did now and the truth is that it is in line with my comment. Possible, but not ideal. If it exhausted you up to where you made it on this video, imagine another 80km of the same terrain. I love the epilogue conclusions. Top notch advice. "If you're a newcomer, stay the F away from that bike!" Tip #1: Get a 2.0b radiator cap, it will immensely help with the boiling. Tip #2 Drop the mousse and add a Tubliss system on the rear. It is more coherent and you can have low PSI from day 1. Good luck to your buddies in Romania! 💪💪 ♥ Sibiu!

Mousse. Tubliss is horribly unreliable for me. I blew through inner bladders lol. Constant flats. And when running thin carcass hard enduro tires, you can’t plug them.