I Tried The New 'RT Overdrive' Mode In 'Cyberpunk 2077'... 

Dude your settings perplex me to a uneasy lvl , let me explain... I run cyberpunk on a area51m r2 with a 17 10700 and a 2070 super with a 17in 360hz 1080p monitor I run max everything and get a solid 60fps locked pretty much everywhere with min dips to 54 at the lowest under stress , why would you run textures at medium and output at 4k?? Like theres literally 0 reasons to output at such a high resolution and not have the textures as high as they could be, to me this seems like hitting nitrous when your only at half throttle... why I honestly don't get it... like you would assume texture quality is more important than resolution as long as viewing distance to screen size isn't a problem theres no reason to run 4k in the first place less you have a 70 in monitor you only sit 4 inches away from..... im super confused and I think you've got a big misunderstanding about pc settings work 🤔 Maybe I'm wrong but I dont think upscaleing resolution is gonna help a already mid texture , I would think (and operate this way myself) that texture quality / lighting are first and foremost important for visuals then resolution only matters for your screen size / viewing distance ratio , so I could see dumping from 4k to 1440 or 1080 to save power for the path tracing but I would dump resolution before texture quality any day (as long as screen size / viewing distance was proper) which like I said till your dealing with like a 75 in TV or something I couldn't really see somone running into the "screen door" effect of too low of a resolution , where as alot of times no matter what resolution your on dropping texture quality is super noticeable where as in 90% of cases resolution isn't , especially when your using dlss so your not really running "native 4k" anyways...

You have Frame Generation on in the first part of video that is not native. The menu is a knightmare you set something and it doesn't stick.

@@Cold_Cactus I run the same hardware and it hasn't disappointed me ever. I am not a tech master but it manages to run high-end games on max settings even right on launch... For reference, it ran CP2077 on launch day on max settings at stable 60fps (no bugs or glitches except for two visual ones) and more recently the Last of Us without a single issue, also max settings sitting at comfortable 60-70fps.

meanwhile in real life rtx on max graphics in 1000 fps. for free

my antivirus flags that link as malware bro wtf?

Nvidia, AMD, Intel and their partners purposefully creating so many options to confuse and annoy the average customer to the point where they will just buy the more expensive option when they may not need it.

It’s so cringe hard to get through a video

@@Afroninjaa1458 Bro is jealous💀

​@Döctör Spöök Eh, you see hardware running at different settings and you decide. In this day & age, everyone understands exactly how the hardware they buy works.

​@@Afroninjaa1458 What's stopping you from getting an RTX 4090Ti, Top G?

What would be the drawback of using path tracing to create perfect lighting for the normal rasterized version? You'd get the best of both worlds, realistic lights and also good performance!

@@Bourinos02 the lines are getting blurrier in terms of how these things are used, but conceptually, at their core, rasterization involves drawing textured triangles to the screen, and conceptually, path tracing is figuring out what colour each pixel on the screen is, by following the light around the scene to see what it hits (like how an actual digital camera works). The cost of path tracing comes from all of the rays that are fired out (many per pixel on the screen) to resolve a clear image (much like photos taken in the dark can be grainy, you need more rays and more bounces for each ray). It's a lot of math. It's relatively straightforward math, but it's easy to say that for a 4k image you are doing hundreds of millions of operations (or more) per frame, to figure out what colour each pixel is, based on what the photons hit as they bounced around the scene, before getting there. The speed of rasterization is because it's more object based, rather than physics based. Like painting a picture. You might say "based on how the camera is set up, his head is here in the picture and it's this big, and it's blocking the tree in the background". So you paint the head like that. ... rasterization would use individual triangles, rather than "heads", but you get the idea. Once you paint the head on the painting, it becomes difficult to say "but you can see the back of his head in the mirror that's behind him and off to the side"... because mirrors work by bouncing light off of them... you can set up mirrors to bounce light around a hundred times, and out to the camera if you are careful. So just figuring out where the mirror goes on screen isn't really good enough for a mirror (which is why they don't work in a lot of games). Without ray tracing, there are some clever hacks, but they get more and more involved all the time. And each type of thing light can do (reflection, refraction, subsurface scattering, caustics, shadows, etc) each need one or more unique hacks to work in this painting mode. So to your question; why not mix the two? We already are. Sort of. If you have the means, try playing Cyberpunk with RT off, RT on, and the new path-tracing mode. Or, if you can't, try watching a video that shows them side by side. RT off is the typical rasterized painting. RT on is the typical rasterized painting, but trying to use ray tracing for lighting and shadows and reflections etc, individually, and the path-tracing mode is actually trying to follow the laws of physics of light more closely, and only breaking them for the purpose of speed, painting nothing. There is a visible difference between all three modes; and the middle mode is what you are talking about. It still looks miles better than just straight painting triangles, but it is also much less exact than firing millions of photons out into the world and seeing what they hit. So until everyone can run Cyberpunk in regular RT mode, you can't get the benefits of your compromise. And until everyone can run Cyberpunk in path tracing mode, it's not going to have the same lighting characteristics. That said, when everyone can run every game in the RT compromise mode, that should be when artists can stop adding thousands of invisible lights into maps.

​@@SeanJMay this the best rt explanation i have ever read. Well done good sir

I mean as an architecture/design student i've been using pathtracing since 2017 so i doubt level designers didn't. I believe they would at least put some specific scenes in pathtracing rendering engines to get an idea of how to convey the lighting they want to the more technical teams such as shader devs etc...

Will take at least 10 years for people to have 4090 level of performance though. And by that time we're supposed to use 8k as well, so there goes a lot of performance down the drain so to speak

Exactly, Ive always loved level design but always hated setting up lighting. NEVER touching a static light again lmao

or i mean even if just for baking lighting, imagine how much faster you get realistic baked lighting. its a win win really

@@frozby5973 well that's the thing. It's no longer "baked" lighting because the engine "bakes" the lighting as you play. Just like rendering textures, ray tracing will move lighting from loading to rendering and developers don't need to do more. It's hard to understate how much RT will revolutionise game dev. The amount of time to dev a full game has been absolutely slashed.

@@Thailerr Iam that dumb guy who sees God Of War 1 PS2 I see reflections in the ground reflecting perfectly and I think that's for sure it's raytracing. Most of times i cant even see RayTracing, just the annoying FPS drop.

@@nicolasoliveira4903 in the case of old games, it wasn't ray tracing. There were basically two different cheats. Cheat #1: if you are just seeing the room in the reflection and not the characters, then it's usually a partially see-through floor, and they just have the same level, flipped upside down and mirrored, under the floor. Or in a game with a bathroom mirror, there might just be a second bathroom, behind a pane of glass. That would be done by level artists. Cheat #2: the second trick was done by developers, and was sort of like a green-screen effect. The level designers would dictate where the green-screen was placed, and what they wanted drawn on them. These were usually referred to as "portals". They weren't exactly like green screens; like a portal, you could usually walk through them to the other side... but we are just talking about mirrors, so no walking through, unless you are Alice Liddell, so green screen it is. The artist would choose where the green screen is, and what should be drawn on it, and then the devs would make a second camera (or one camera per green screen), and point it where the artists wanted it pointed, and render the whole scene from that new angle, and then paint the result over the green screen. So if you had 8 different mirrors pointing in different directions, you would need to render the scene 9 times, from 9 different angles, instead of the 1 time to render the scene, if there were no mirrors. Same with looking at a wall full of TVs showing security cams; each one is a green-screen and an actual camera drawing what the security cam is looking at. So in the first level of Duke Nukem 3D, in the bathroom, where you can see yourself in the mirror, the mirror was a green-screen with a camera that was pointing back into the room.

Lol I said that and caught it in editing. Too late to change it but yes, it makes no sense to say “native” in the same sentence with “DLSS.”

Running it at 4k dlss ofcourse, may aswell say im running it at 1440p 😂😂😂

Also there was no DLSS because for some reason the medium settings defaulted to AMD's super resolution instead of DLSS even though he has an RTX card.

Native simply means that it’s native to his monitor resolution, which is a 4K monitor. The output resolution is still 4K, so technically it’s still the native resolution, but of course with a lower internal resolution being recreated by deep learning AI. If he was outputting 1440p and the internal res was 1440p on a 4K monitor it wouldn’t be “native” 1440p.

Omg I'm so glad you said this, I caught it and I was like, What ???

a lot of the softening also comes byway of the aggressive denoiser necessary to see the thing, if you got the untouched path traced render, it'd look a lot sharper but it'd be full of noise like the old 2012-2013 Brigade 3.0 path tracing videos

I wish the game was finished and didn't go through like 15 different creative direction changes during dev

Yeah, the city has so many unique and cool alleyways and little tucked away spots. They could've done so much with that. Shame the night city as beautifully crafted as it is, feels kinda empty...

Then blame XB1 and PS4 for holding the game back. Should of been next-gen/PC only

@@Scantronacon facts. everyone would’ve still complained if it released only on next gen consoles, just like how they’re complaining the expansion coming is only on next gen.

@@Scantronacon it doesn't have to do anything with last gen consoles...

I am pretty Shure that tha fruit on the table looked way better that this eyes painful game

@@pedro.alcatrayoure joking, right?

@@axrxn. Not at all. This game looks so bad for it performance impact on the GPU

@@pedro.alcatra get new eyes lmao

@@pedro.alcatrai think your eyes are broken or smthn

I do agree, I realized it when I saw a anime called Sword Art Online Alicization. With how current AI development (ChatGPT for ex.), I'm optimistic it's heading that way in the near future. Lets just hope that there's no stupid leaders who f-ed the world before that happen..😂

You don't need RT for muzzle flash to light up dark areas. We've had that for ages now.

@@lamenamethefirst Its faked, or not as present as you think. Its a static light that would just unrealistically light up an area, not a dynamic light that effects the world lighting. You can tell the difference because every piece of geometry around you is effected. Its just clearly a more realistic approach.

I agree with this a lot. Part of the fun of single players like this that really push graphics is just enjoying the scenery of this massive map you’re put in. Night city is super cool and adding more depth to it makes it nice. IMO you don’t need to push 200+ fps in the game like this.

Yeah I get max 360p, oh the irony

Processing I guess

Just reload RU-vid

yt takes a while to process other resolutions

Yeah it’s probably RU-vid detecting it’s cyberpunk 😂

fr tho

That is true - when the entire gamer population starts having 4090 rtx in their low-end rigs, developers can forget about the older and time consuming lighting techniques and focus on only using the raytracing tech, which is indeed so much faster and easier to implement. Right now though..... they have to focus on both, which actually makes the development process even longer - lol I bet the cyberpunk 2077 devs could have already finished making dlc, if they didn't get distracted by implementing the raytracing tech.

We wait for phantom liberty then

Never cared about the ray tracing stuff. I just want more content from this game.

You want your game to be fun and interesting mechanically? Preposterous!

​@@Saint_Arod Heheh

@@Saint_Arod lol

Older generations can play with overdrive due to dlss and get above 60 fps.

Cdpr always had the lastest and hardest to run features in the their games: ubersampling, hairworks

I'm appreciating it with a 4070ti

I am enjoying it just fine with a 3080Ti, without DLSS3, just DLSS2.0 Just have to play at 1080p instead of 1440p, but for more realistic lighting I am totally fine with that

​@@blinkachu5275Turning it from ultra or whatever the max is to very high or high would probably allow you to enjoy it in 1440p with arguably better graphics due to the resolution playing a bigger role than the minor improvements of (near?)max settings. But to each their own.

Dragon's dogma can't wait for the sequel.

@@AD3SPG I just started playing that... any advice

Dark Souls 2 is a good start. There's a few sections where light is imperative for survival.

@@utisti4976 Dark Souls 2? Ohhhhh you mean the game with the level “Horsef*ck Valley”?

Isnt Outward like that? You even have to put down your heavy ass backpack to fight.

Considering the fixes and updates for this game comes out at a slow pace like molasses, I’d rather all their devs sink their time into fixing it and adding shit relative to the game outside of making it ~pretty~ …

@@TwoBs That's not how this works. People who work on graphics pipeline don't work on collision systems, quests, game mechanics, etc. Look at the credits - there's hundreds of people involved and a lot of different departments. The Overdrive mode was being implemented by people who work on the game engine itself (and Nvidia employees, which they talked about in interviews) and the bugs (which ones? I didn't see a single bug for months while playing the game) probably have not much to do with the game engine, but the game code itself, which is (kind of) separate thing.

@@TwoBs Sounds like a cope from someone with inferior hardware or a console.Theyc an do both and nvidia helped on this and neither console have nvidia hardware

Meanwhile my 1660 super sounding like its about to take off on high settings

@@flapjackpancake5486 At least it's not increasing your room temperature by 5-10 degrees Celsius when you play games. It is like that both for me with RTX 3080 12GB and for my friend with Radeon RX 6800XT (he used to have GTX 1660 without such issue). Temperatures in case are fine, but I have very good airflow (Fractal Design Define R5 without window and with additional fans), so all the heat go into my room. My GPU is underclocked a bit, but I'll probably underclock it a bit more and add underclock to my CPU when summer starts.

It's a good game. Worth the marketing hype... no. But I really enjoyed it.

Until Crysis 4 comes out 😜

@@robbieshand6139 only crisis1 is jump in technology coparable to cyberpunk.

I know this old but that’s weird with a 3080, I’m able to do 4k max settings without ray tracing with dlss set to performance with a 2080 and get 50-60 frames while in the city. No oc on the cpu

he likes to remind everyone that he has the best pc on the market

@V.C.R.SAVAGE Bro I'll hear that b4. "Please like and Subscribe" in every vid 😆🤙

When you spend a few thousand on a PC, it becomes the love of your life, otherwise why spend that much 😅

If I spend damn near 2 grand on 1 pc part, my grandmom going to hear about it 😂

Yet my Laptop with RTX 3060 runs better frames than his 4090 LAWL....

Nah its that pc gamers spend more time doing this than playing the games! You spend all this money to make crap games look nice and get frame rates so high you need to see the numbers to tell what they are! The master race are hilarious

It probably is...

If consoles didn't exist our pc games would already be there as well as hardware.

@@brodylockwood14 Considering the best GPU in the world, a $1600 4090, struggles to run it, I think this level of lighting rendering is very far ahead of the hardware currently available.

Its better

Such a rebel 😌😌 SCREW THE HATERZ! Valid criticisms, what's that?

@@ittybits I'm not a follower especially in gaming. Not my problem if you dislike the game and I could give a rats ass about criticism. Cyberpunk played well and felt awesome to play on my Series X. Sorry you didn't experience the same🤷🏿‍♂️

If you didn’t expect the game to be an rpg, but instead a more linear story experience with a stacked on open world then I can see why you’d like it because the writing and gunplay is good.

@@Scantronacon Glad you enjoyed it but it’s coping to act like there’s nothing wrong with an open world that is just a barren buggy wasteland. Half the game should be exploring the city, and it’s been made pointless to do so. It’s bad game design objectively, haters or lovers should be able to agree on that. Edit: For a game that got delayed more than a handful of times btw! For years! CPDR claiming they were trying to make Night City “feel” real! What’s real about a city you can’t interact with?

@@ittybits I mean GTA does just fine...I get it but I'll support it and hope the next one moving forward is what was promised. It's not coping it whats I like and I have no problem saying that online. I'm just a vet that likes to play games, if you didn't like it that's your biz but I love the game personally. And it's pretty ignorant to attack people just bc they like something you didn't. Do you

No its Interesses more people rhan you think.. not more than people that dont care but a lot of people.. and the most people cant afford this graphics whats lowering the stats

This is all I want!

Legit question: have you at least finished the main campaign?

@@rivtekk the endings were a giant ball of cheese dust.

it is a good game lol

@@kingscards im sorry that happened to you

​@@rivtekk Campaign was boring and inconsequential as hell. The endings are just as lazy, unsatisfying and poorly done as the robotic and copy/paste pedestrians. CDPR could've done a much better job with the story.

I tried to play Cyberpunk with 1660 6GB and Ryzen 5 3600, I got around 60ish FPS with AMD FSR 2.0, but the game is boring

Call me old-fashioned, but in my opinion games have steadily degraded over the years from being story and/or gameplay focused to being graphic focused. I care less about the graphics than I do about story and gameplay, so for me personally gaming is heading in the wrong direction. Yes, a game like Cyperpunk looks amazing, but pretty much every game that looks amazing is being released with serious bugs and/or lacking a decent storyline or gameplay.

@@Stezika15 There's no next stepping stone to path tracing. It's the end game for computer graphics, the holy grail as every computer science nerd has called it for the past 40 years. All the very best CGI in films, even things you wouldn't think are CGI, are path traced. Path tracing is a physically-accurate simulation of the behavior of light in the real world. There's no technique that can be made that can be more advanced than that.

It barely looks better, I’d rather them invest in more content that they promised to release. like idk online mode but nah we r just making an unfinished game look better

​@@grif1811 This update is just before the dlc comes out. That's the content, this is just their Nvidia partnership contract lol

Is just a singleplayer game not a MMO or something. It has to end someday. Is not a life simulation

considering there's dlss and plenty of options, it isn't even close

I have it In 4K , it's your device's problem

Same dude

​@@sarrieeldin idem

@@sarrieeldin I don’t think so I may be a regain thing

It's just like your ex said, you always come too early... wait a bit longer and the resolutions will be higher haha

If you ever played the game at 144+ FPS then you'd know it is different

@@truthhiddeninplainsight7183 different yes, but truly necessary?......probably not.

Finally someone who feels how I feel 😂

Lol maybe we can get an actual rpg with consequence to choice while we are making wishes

It's not an RPG lol, most "RPG"s aren't, Witcher wasn't either. They've never made an actual RPG so not sure why people expected one lol. I'm glad they're sticking with this, it's a huge learning curve and the next non-Witcher game they release will be infinitely better because of Cyberpunk. Having said that I really enjoyed the game so far, bugs and all. I enjoyed Skyrim, GTA, and now this. Funny bugs have never ruined my experience and I never had any game breaking bugs in Cyberpunk personally.

@@jamieclarke2694 even tho witcher 3 wasn’t the most sandbox rpg it at least allowed for each campaign to be different and gave the player enough freedom to make the wrong choices. Also the open world was far more interactive and reactive to the choices you make. I’m sorry that you have to devalue Witcher to make your argument, but it’s more of a rpg then cyberpunk is at any point in the game. “Not sure why people expected one” bro… that’s how the game was marketed, the whole spider bot mission was dropped as a 40 minute demo and used to mislead people into thinking that the game at least had as many, if not more choices then they had in witcher missions.

@@Hunter_6601 Personal preference, I enjoyed it. I didn't keep up with any marketing so maybe thats why.