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@Iceh4wkvideos Год назад

Theres a very clear line in the comments from before and after AVE made his video

@AquaTech225 Год назад

😂

@matthewbuza87 Год назад

ave brings up some good points about this video

@Stevefolmz Год назад

AVE sends his regards.

@daydreamingartist80 Год назад

Isn't it shocking that in all the time wood workers have been on RU-vid, you're probably the first person to run a test like this. This was a BADLY NEEDED video. Respect, my friend✌️

@Goalsplus Год назад

I have seen others including one who wanted to prove it was false and did so by not testing properly.

@BillHartCooks. Год назад

James Wright did a simpler test a couple years ago and got it to burn. This is the most scientific of the RU-vid tests I have seen however.

@nathana7164 Год назад

@@BillHartCooks. It really is a well set up design....maybe safer if someone had been there helping.

@JediOfTheRepublic Год назад

Because everyone knows what happens to linseed soaked rags.

@Gottesacker86 Год назад

@@JediOfTheRepublic Not everyone knows that. A girl that works with my wife burned her family's house down not knowing that you had to let the rags dry out.

@tommiestrydom973 Год назад

Firefighter here. Powder Fire extinguishers are great for putting out a fire by smothering it. They do not stop the chemical reaction not do they cool down the source of the fire. So if the heat is still there and oxygen gets back in then fire will re ignite. Great video. When I use linseed oil I have a bucket of water and dump my oily rags in there. Then when done throw the wet rags away.

@BlackWolf42- Год назад

Please upload the complete unedited video of the 1st ignition. If it's 7 hours+ I'd be ok with that.

@nijosmudja8362 Год назад

Oily rags and polyethalene containers and no smoke? Hmmm. Smells fishy

@jasonkarels6202 Год назад

I teach woodworking at the high-school level, and this is definitely getting shown to my classes!

@andrewpinson1268 Год назад

Please find a good correct fire fighting video of using fire extinguishers around any type of fire and double what you think you need in extinguishers. Fire alarm system and lighted exit signs. I am sure you have already thought of what you need to teach students. Good that you are being proactive.

@mandimusic5109 Год назад

Was just thinking this should be required viewing in every woodworking and carpentry course.

@dianeewoldt3035 Год назад

Our community college wood shop has a huge central vac dust collection system that deposits the dust and small scraps in an outside enclosed bin. It caught fire due to spontaneous combustion. The post event analysis was that it occurred due to wood pitch and high ambient temperature. The shop teachers have always taught students to dry finishing rags outside and dispose of them in the outside sealed metal can.

@ryangross5446 Год назад

perfect length for a class as well. this would be a great video to show

@daedaluscreation4869 Год назад

Please explain to your class the flaws in this video as well. I was a chemistry teacher and safety is an discussion topic before anything else, as you well know. Lids should have been present to extinguish the cans as well as an extinguisher prepared and ready Outside as well. 😉 I wish my high school had had a shop class. And the lack of a respirator is alarming. Dry chemical extinguisher and plastic smoke 😖

@ayolatab5192 Год назад

“Video was taken just after midnight” time stamp shows 10:40, clock on the wall upper right corner shows 10:39… 🤔

@lavalbutte Год назад

So your friend keeps his camera time stamp and wall clock set at the same exact wrong time?! Weird..

@brendanlangord1687 Год назад

Thank you so much for this video. I am a hobby tool restorer/woodworker and generate a small amount of oily rags doing various projects in my basement. I hate to admit it, but I have been careless with disposal of oily rags. This video shown me just how lucky I have been, not to have had a fire yet. It really opened my eyes to how careless I have been. I will definitely be changing my ways. Thank you again for possibly saving my home, and the lives of my family.

@NautilusGuitars Год назад

Since I haven't seen anybody else mention this, the fire extinguisher you used should be replaced immediately. Once they're used for the first time, they will slowly lose pressure and become useless. I learned this the hard way while casting bronze. Crucible broke and spilled molten bronze on the ground. It ignited a nearby piece of plywood and the main extinguisher I had was completely dead, even though I only used it briefly before. Luckily, this was outdoor in a wide open yard, so it wasn't a major problem. But it could have been under different circumstances.

@dianahenderson Год назад

I am glad to see you address this...even more grateful you took it so seriously...my shop is in my basement so I am close to paranoid about oily rags. Thank you for pointing out how easily fire can start...and how unpredictable they can be.

@debschreiner3600 Год назад

Thank you for producing this video! I remember my dad, a chemist for a global paint company, was sooo obsessed with keeping a clean shop and disposing of things properly that, as kids, we didn't understand the meticulousness he exhibited---now, so many years later thanks to you, I understand. Thank you for opening so many eyes to the danger that is spontaneous combustion. Please share this on all social platforms!

@redc2367 Год назад

This video may get an unforeseen level of interest and engagement.

@oregonduffer8131 Год назад

What an incredible service, Jason, particularly for hobbyist woodworkers like me who don't think big things can happen in my little garage shop. I've always been careful with oily rags but this tells me to be better. You have likely saved someone from a huge heartbreak or worse. Thank you.

@chrisoliver9204 Год назад

Jason, thank you so much for creating this video. I have to admit, you scared me so much that I literally got up off my recliner at 10:22pm, walked out to my shop barn - where I haven’t done any woodworking for at least a month - and rolled my trash can (which was half filled with wood scraps, old small engine parts, cardboard, etc) outside. Then I filled it with water.

@thaddeustroyer Год назад

😂 good for you. Safety 1st... not second

@cassidykaiser5817 Год назад

😂

@ChairLunchDinner625 Год назад

Dousing rags with water or soaking them only delays the potential for combustion. When the water evaporates the oil will still be there and restart its own drying process. If you throw them out wet, then you're just passing the risk on to someone else (who likely has no expectation of being on alert for fire). I would imagine waste disposal companies have some sort of contingencies in place for this, but it would still be best to avoid the problem at all. The rags need to be laid out on the floor to dry before being disposed of.

@davidpritchett855 Год назад

2 things in addition be careful of batteries and be careful of electrical cords. Regrettably my brother in laws woodshop recently burnt down and the fire Marshall worked with him to determine the cause and it was most likely a table saw cord that had been pinched when he pushed it up against the wall after using it. The saw had not been in use for 2-3 weeks but since it was plugged in it had some kind of flow. Also make sure you have a good fire rider on your home insurance and do yourself the favor of making a list of everything you would want to claim ahead of time if you were in this situation. Finally do not store gasoline, kerosene, diesel or other fuel inside structures you care about because in most cases storing fuel inside will actually nullify your fire insurance. So a tip from the rc plane community that deals with tons of lithium batteries. Make yourself a battery coffin out of cement board , put your chargers and batteries in the coffin and set it up on a wire rack shelf with a few tubes of sand above so that if a fire starts the heat will melt the plastic and the Sand will stream down dousing the fire. Do not use water on a battery fire they NEED to be doused using a fire extinguisher, fire blanket or similar.

@stephendufresne9239 Год назад

This is another reason I can tell the wife that I need to build a separate building just for finishing. 😁👍

@dougsaunders8109 Год назад

Video evidence now 😅

@Iron_glove Год назад

Dunno if it's a good thing to show her xD she'll maybe think it's a good reason NOT to build something new that could catch fire :D

@bobh64 Год назад

Great video this week. Working at a W.C store I always warn people who don't understand oil finishes about this danger. Now I have a good resource to have them watch.

@sokar47 Год назад

As a Chief Engineer on big yacht, we are instructed to keep oily rags separate from other rubbish, and in metal containers with sealed lid. I like also to do some woodworking while at home and my rubbish bin are always outside and in metal. Keeping a good fire extinguisher in the area is also a good idea. Keep in mind that others materials mixed can heat up and potentially start a fire. e.g. chlorine and whitened paper or mixed two components resins.

@lighthousewoodworks Год назад

Crazy stuff man, ya I can't believe that my entire shop didn't burn down, no one was supposed to be there.... angels were watching. But everyone needs to see this video because otherwise they'll see the fire eventually in their own shop and might not come out as lucky as me!

@nashira25 Год назад

❤

@PerrynBecky Год назад

So glad that it didn't go a lot worse. God certainly sent His angels indeed. I'll bet you'll be a lot more careful in the future. This is quite sobering for me too.

@lighthousewoodworks Год назад

@Perry Bailey oh big time. We've been always safe about it.. but there's always that new guy who doesn't take it serious..

@WoodsmanSkills Год назад

Wow your lucky someone stopped by, this video really opened my eyes to the danger. This video is the most valuable video you may of just saved mine because I've never really taken it seriously. I think you have saved multiple shops from your experience. God bless sir

@lighthousewoodworks Год назад

@Robert Messer ya awareness on this subject is definitely important. Jason can bring that better than I

@cozmo1266 Год назад

I’ve always been told since a kid to not keep mineral spirits soaked rags together. Never thought too much about any other oil based stuff. But everyone in my family will have to sit down in a quiet place and watch this video. Your a hero in my book!!!

@Benwikimedia Год назад

Oily rags are an issue so you should keep them in a proper metal bin with a tight lid but I call BS on this video. I've seen spontaneous combustion before in person, it starts smoking long before actual flames are visible.

@dhall3401 Год назад

Thank you so much for this. I’ve heard this could happen but honestly disregarded it until now. As a hobbyist woodworker who primarily works out of my home I’m horrified to think that I could have burned down my home and even worse hurt my love ones. Definitely a great reminder to stay vigilant about safety in the shop not only to protect your digits but life and property as well!

@Ritalie Год назад

If you think about it, why is boiled linseed oil and similar products even for sale to the general public? I'm not sure if you can buy a big jug of nitric acid or some other explosive chemicals at the hardware store? The fact that just applying the product to a cloth, causes spontaneous combustion, should make the product require a full background check and proof of training in order to buy it. In my mind, surely the chemists in 2023 can create a product that does all the same things, without the risk of a fire? I can't believe that with all our modern technology, that "boiled linseed oil" which was invented 200 years ago, is somehow the best we have? This is a case where we need the government to help the people, to help fund a solution.

@JustOneRedSoloCup Год назад

I’m… stunned. I’ve been throwing away oil-soaked rags into a common metal trash bin in my shop for the past 25+ years, and I can only recall one time some years ago when I noticed the trash bin lid was warm as if it had been sitting out in the sun - only it was early in the morning and it’s never stored outdoors. I’m now wondering if there were other times this had occurred and I simply didn’t notice it. How I inexplicably escaped from burning down the place is beyond me. It’s a terrifying thought and you’ve got my full attention. Holy cow.

@brianlawrence9959 Год назад

Keeping the lid on helped. If anything was to catch on fire it would go out immediately from lack of oxygen.

@JustOneRedSoloCup Год назад

@@brianlawrence9959 I think you’re right - the lid on that particular trash can has a deep side skirt to it where you have to push down on it with both hands to close it up. I’ve had that trash bin for over twenty years, but I’m certainly changing up my careless practice of what gets tossed into there from now on.

@daveb8598 Год назад

@@JustOneRedSoloCup Glad you are changing up your practices! It could also be that it uses up the oxygen in that can for the most part before it can combust, the curing of BLO is oxidation, I just don't know how much it needs. In Jason's experiment only the open containers caught.

@VANILLAGORILLA54 Год назад

So you're saying that none of those fires melted plastic.....but spontaneously burst.....

@Anthony-H Год назад

A much needed video - I can't believe no one else has posted something like this before. I always soak my used rags with water and toss them into my fire pit in the back yard. Once they dry out, I burn them intentionally after a couple of days. Definitely lets me sleep easier at night.

@SIE44TAR Год назад

Thank you so much for this. I’m 60 years old but new to woodworking and I’ve never heard of this. I’ve been through a fire before when my workshop from a prior screen printing business burned down due to a faulty box fan I regularly left running overnight to dry screens. It hit hard financially but I survived it, barely. I can assure you I no longer leave fans running when I’m not around and now I’ll make sure I don’t leave wet rags in the trash! Also, thumbs up for Seinfeld, my go to when I have 30 minutes to kill.

@nicksoffski Год назад

Thank you bringing this to all your viewers attention! I regularly just dump cloth rags with oil on them in a bin which sits in my garage which is under my house which my wife, daughter and I sleep in! I’m going to have to change my work practices!

@lusterrenovations1570 Год назад

For fun we put our oil rags in our outside burn barrel and see how long it takes to combust. Never leave rags in a shop

@2024-d6g Год назад

As a firefighter for 50 years I have ran on calls for this very reason. Great job for teaching others, thanks. One question; where is your smoke detector !

@AA-zv6yo Год назад

Where was the smoke😮

@E_L12 Год назад

Simple solution to the fakery... upload the whole, unedited 12h video.

@littlefiddlesticks Год назад

Wow! I didn’t realize this could happen! Thanks for doing this! You’ve probably saved multiple peoples shops and houses by demonstrating this risk!

@MJTVideos Год назад

Two things: Get a water fire extinguisher. You can refill them at home and you can spray them multiple times Secondly, the powder extinguishers are one and done. The powder will clog the nozzle open and the gas will escape so once you use it, you can’t set it down to use later. Also this is great and super helpful! Love this type of content!

@tomchaffe9529 Год назад

Did you have any fire alarms? I assumed in a woodshop fire alarms would be mandatory!

@kaceyvibes Год назад

My dad had a commercial woodworking shop for decades and he was super strict about laying linseed oil soaked rags in the middle of the concrete floor, then putting them in one of those metal safety cans (that was triangular shaped, that always stuck in my brain). I think he probably told my brother and I about a thousand times that they could spontaneously combust and this is the first time I've actually seen it, scary stuff! Great video, even though it's way different than your usual, I love the methodical approach.

@jamesshenfield1107 Год назад

I just drove into my workshop on a Sunday to make sure that the rags my wife had used on a cutting board had been disposed of properly like Ive been saying for years. They were in my plastic bin behind my desk. Never seen a video like this before and it brings it back to the front if mind. Good job mate. Hope this goes viral.

@andybosch7857 Год назад

This looks like a similar process to Hooibroei we have in Dutch. It is hard to translate, but it is the phenomenon of hay spontaneously combusting. In the case of hay, this is caused by micro-organisms fermenting the hay, causing a self-sustaining reaction that heats up the hay and produces flamable gasses that can combust as early as 80°C.

@GoodMorning-zh6le Год назад

I just want to THANK YOU, specifically because you actually spent time which is valuable and not a small amount of cash too for this video. We often overlook this in our daily lives

@stevenmcintosh3303 Год назад

I've always heard about this but honestly thought it was super rare. But your ability to recreate it three times is...holy freaking crap!

@bobthomas8342 Год назад

Same here. To see it happen so easily was an eye opener.

@russellklassen7951 Год назад

I also am a retired firefighter and hobbyist woodworker I am glad you're covering this. Maybe a bit of an unconventional method, but good info. I saw a beautiful 2 story custom log home burn to the ground from a bag a oil soaked rags. The rags had been used to re-stain/treat the logs during the day and put into a bag in the back of the pickup in the basement garage. It was truly a sad and epic event.

@FUCKDSS Год назад

as he grid lines out enough fire hazrds to give you a coranary

@reallydonotdo Год назад

@@Foxtrot_Foxtrot_Lima I love AvE too!😂

@andyh8239 Год назад

AvE released a video that calls this guy out as a Fraud that's using lighter fluid.

@jrizz43 Год назад

A lot more scientific than I thought you were going to get! Great job! It's one of those things where you are warned about it and "know" about it but until it actually happens you kind of don't believe it

@saint-miscreant Год назад

also for science - notes on temps in non-freedom units, for anyone who needs them: 55F ≈ 13C 85F ≈ 29C 100F ≈ 38C 112F ≈ 45C 125F ≈ 52C 185F = 85C 200F ≈ 93F

@bruce-le-smith Год назад

i was kinda hoping grandma was going to be there to operate the fire extinguisher, like she was the first one to walk the gangplank on the gym set outside haha

@acarlin74 Год назад

Thank you Jason on behalf of my little shop, 360 Grace Woodworks! I generally lay my rags out on the ground but this means I'm just going to be even more vigilant in my safety because of all the sawdust that I carelessly leave on the ground too!

@chefadammenard Год назад

Waiting for the comments from everyone who just watched AVE's video 🍿

@dluke20 Год назад

That's me

@jimrosson6702 Год назад

Jason , Thank you so much for making this video have heard of this but did not realize it could happen this easily. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this setting up this experiment and the time you spent watching it to show how much time it takes but how fast it happens. I truly believe you have saved someone’s shop and someone’s life with this video.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 love watching your channel and the amazing work you do can’t wait to see what you do next

@ZDay1296 Год назад

I’ve always loved your videos but you have brought awareness to something few others are talking about. Thank you for keeping our community safe and keeping it entertaining as always.

@kevinwdavies Год назад

Chemistry professor and lumber hobbist here. These are in a grouping called thermal runaway reactions. Basically, the reactions start out in slo-mo, making heat. If there isn't ventilation _at the surface of the rags_, the heat stays there. As the rags and oils get hotter, the reaction goes faster. Makes more heat. Goes even faster. Etc. (Runaway) When you spread the rags out, the airflow prevents the heat buildup, so you never get thermal runaway. Also, heads up - the fireproof container can still catch fire inside - it just keeps it all inside so it doesn't spread. So if you go to open it and it's feeling hot, don't open it... I've never been in that boat - I'd probably call the FD or VFD and ask for advice/assistance in that case.

@Harmonie-jg5jh Год назад

That’s unbelievable…truly appreciate your effort in making this video. I’m definitely taking precautions ASAP.

@bradweinberger6907 Год назад

You're right. It is unbelievable

@richardmackenzie9551 Год назад

What a great video. Its common knowledge that this COULD happen, but I did not think you would get that many to ignite. More people need to see this. This is a life saver for sure.

@LykeArgy Год назад

never heard about it myself

@briansboucher Год назад

@@LykeArgy not common knowledge mate

@luns486 Год назад

@@briansboucherit’s common knowledge for anyone that bothers to read the label.

@cray- Год назад

Common knowledge is not so common. I had no idea about this. Regarding reading labels: in this day and age we often skip the labels and go straight to RU-vid for practical demonstrations. In one sense we are more educated, but in another we might be left with gaps in that knowledge. Eye opening stuff for sure.

@rb30e Год назад

How would putting out a fire work in the plastic bag, by covering the top in a thin layer of fire retardant when the rags would have caught fire from below? I mean, the effect that starts the fire is still happening below, you put it out like a spark was introduced as the source of combustion, not an exothermic reaction like you are claiming happened, that would still be happening producing heat to continue lighting the rags on fire. To get ignition you would need heat hot enough to get combustion, wouldnt that have melted any of the plastic long before flames appear? I grew up in a house with 3 wood fires, two for heat, one for heat and cooking. Anything that is going to start a fire nearby always starts to smoke long before it catches fire. You would smell and see melting bins, bags, smoke from the melting plastic would be filling the shop, the flames would be restricted to the most insulated part and take time to get out of the confinement and then burst into flames, and not having ideal oxygen in the part where all the heat would be generated would mean maximum smoke from an inefficient burn...... You would smell and see a problem long before flames. But the only thing that smells here is the fish.

@philmorel1042 Год назад

You had me running out to my shop. That is scary. Thank you for reminding me to be more careful

@FunkyNutbar1982 Год назад

Great video. I was taught this years ago and have always laid the rags out to dry, but I always thought it was a really really low chance of actually happening. This just shows how easy it can happen. I will be extra vigilant from now on!

@wayneyadams Год назад

I am a Chemist and here is why your rags caught fire. It has nothing to do with the combustion temperature of the rags, it is the flashpoint of Linseed Oil which is 200 degrees Fahrenheit. Liquids themselves do not burn; it is the vapor above the liquid mixed with air that is flammable. The flashpoint is the temperature at which the vapor air mixture is just right for combustion to take place. There has to be enough vapor and enough oxygen. Too much vapor and noting happens. Not enough vapor and nothing happens. Liquids with flashpoints at or above 100 degrees Fahrenheit are classified flammable liquids and require placards on all containers as well as vehicles (trucks, railroad cars) transporting them. LINSEED OIL SOAKED RAGS WILL ABSOLUTELY SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST!!!!!!! Here is more science from an actual Chemist. Linseed oil contains chemicals called driers which speed up the drying process. The mor driers, the faster the chemical reaction and the quicker you can have combustion. Another fact, Linseed Oil is not going to dry in a few hours, so your statement about the rags drying out is incorrect, misleading, and actually dangerous information to tell your viewers. While I appreciate your demonstration, leave the scientific theorizing to actual scientists. Wayne Y. Adams B.S. Chemistry M.S. Physics R&D Chemist (retired)

@kevinkeenan3333 Год назад

I’ve always known this was a thing but also figured I was bordering on obsessive how I lay out every rag completely flat for nearly 24 hrs and then leaving them outside for a day or two before putting them in the garbage. Thanks for validating (or should I say feeding) my obsessiveness.

@irishthief1 Год назад

New to woodworking, and I had NO idea that this was a thing. Really appreciate you making this video, and love that someone else also shared it to the local makerspace I just joined. Incredibly informative, and one of the best "psa" videos I've seen.

@Ritalie Год назад

Dude, seriously. Any "drying" oil product for wood is totally unsafe. It's almost not worth having, unless you're a professional wood worker. I had a big can of boiled linseed oil that I had purchased a few years ago, and after some thought, I returned it. The whole back of the can is a long warning label about how it will catch fire. It's like, why would they sell a flammable product that spontaneously combusts, to people to use on wood? It's like a sick joke or something. Using a natural "raw" oil means the oil is just a plain natural oil and it is almost impossible to catch fire, but anything that cures in 24 hours, will create a reaction that can create excessive heat. They sell steel vessels for rags, where it prevents oxygen and smothers any possible fire. Look for stain trash can, with a metal sealing lid.

@lastdaysofhumanity4114 Год назад

@@Ritalie Hello mate, im new to this stuff and now im scared. What about paints?

@BD-oo6ru Год назад

Odd none of the fires smoldered or smoked... Just a clean burn. Even in a PLASTIC BAG, just strange I tell ya.

@johnleonard5857 Год назад

This has happened to me personally. Fortunately for me it was an early day in the shop for me so I caught this happening in my shop at about 4pm. It wasn’t linseed, it was a minwax product. Any oil soaked rag has the potential for spontaneous combustion because as oil dries it becomes exothermic. After I put the fire out I immediately purchased and fireproof rag pin.

@evilgenius3646 Год назад

You should do this experiment again with one of those bluetooth BBQ thermometers and put the probe in the middle of the ball of rags. I would be willing to bet the middle is much hotter than the outside which is why you are reading lower temps right before combustion. This would also allow you to keep track of them all at the same time without having to get up from your seat.

@romeotango5597 Год назад

Yup, and pay particular attention to how the oil is distributed throughout a wad and how consistent the density of the wad is. These things are most likely to impact just how quickly/how likely a fire is. Compressing more oil into a tighter wad and insulating it with more wad will cause the temps to increase more than loosely dropped rags. I’ve seen a couple videos on this and this was the key to if a fire happened. Tight wad of oily rags is much worse because the reaction generating heat is contained within the wad vs laid out or loose scattered rags are able to release the heat generated.

@SenileOtaku Год назад

That was my thought on it. He was measuring surface temperature, but it was core temperature that would start the fire. And I'd figure any heat building up in the middle wouldn't readily dissipate.

@Weshopwizard Год назад

I visited an industrial laundry related to storm water stuff. They had piles of bakery aprons and rags and so on. I asked them about outside storage of these items and they told me about the fire risk. I had never heard about it so they took me over to the pile and it was hot AF. Learn something new every day.

@scratchinjack608 Год назад

I'm not a wood worker and would never work with linseed oils having had worked in a hardware store decades ago and naturally know of linseed oil instability. Rationale tells me a mostly enclosed but not sealed container which will help retain heat but allow "breathing", thus escalating it, and the inclusion of materials that can be thought of as kindling, is the big take way from this. I enjoyed the video. Thanks!

@silasmarrs1409 Год назад

The thing about the thermal camera is that it's measuring surface temperature. If there's a well insulated spot in the center of the wad of rags, it could easily get much hotter, which was most likely why the readings you were getting didn't seem to directly correlate with what caught on fire.

@brekkoh Год назад

also we dont really know what the combustibility is of everything there, just the linseed oil only needs 200*F, so pockets of that temp seem to have occurred somewhere

@thaddeustroyer Год назад

Actually he was using a thermal heat "gun" everything else you said is true. So yes, it was measuring only surface heat an actual thermal camera would have shown the pockets of heat in the pile and where it was as well. Also, since linseed oil only needs 200⁰ to combust he was close on a couple more as well. GREAT experiment and a EXCELLENT Public service announcement. I hope this is his most watched video.

@victor-ling Год назад

@@thaddeustroyer A thermal camera measures temperature the same way a thermal "gun" does (via measuring thermal radiation). So it still wouldn't have picked up the temperature of insulated internal pockets. A thermal camera is just like taking the individual temperature of many thousands of points with a thermal "gun" and arranging that information into a "picture". It doesn't technically scan inside of something. Though sometimes it definitely seems like it can though because you can use a thermal camera to see "through" things that we can't see through with our eyes but this is more a property of thermal radiation travelling through many things that visible light does not travel through. In this case something that is insulated can be considered (roughly) the "same" as something being opaque (not see through) to our eyes. Insulated things block thermal radiation while opaque things block visible light.

@chilversc Год назад

Yup, and with these types of fire (similar to bales of hay or cotton) it's the center that gets hot as rags make a good insulator; trapping the heat.

@geraldbullardjr Год назад

JUST AWESOME!!! TY for taking the time for this experiment and video! I have worked with wood my whole life (only as a hobbyist) but plan to get more into it soon and this is a complete eye-opener on a very serious scenario we could all so easily overlook :) Hats off my man and GREAT JOB!

@markalexander6517 Год назад

As a novice woodshop dude, sliding into retirement, this video lesson was just what my brain needed to see and hear. As a teacher, your approach to your woodshop & wood working lessons is excellent. I wish I had your humor, even after a few bourbons. well done.

@tomhestand8385 Год назад

Of all of your videos (and I love them all) I think this one is the most impressive and informative of all. I do this and will change how I work now. Thank you Thank you for saving me from myself.

@sapelesteve Год назад

Now that was over the top incredible Jason! I was really skeptical that any of those would catch on fire. Boy was I wrong! Thanks for the wake up call! Hopefully this will help to prevent anyone from causing a fire in their workshop, or anywhere else for that matter! 👍👍👏👏💥💥

@01kiwijim Год назад

Great vid. Rember to replace your extinguisher. Dry powder is one use, nitrogen will now leak all out. You should consider having a co2 extinguisher in shop. Dry powder have the best knock down power but in the case of a fire you will be cleaning up dry powder for days, also the powder is corrosive and will wreck your tools and machinery. Co2 has none of the fore mentioned downfalls. Ideally you should have both dry powder and co2. You might already but I thought should share.

@mitchellsmith9289 Год назад

I hope this vid makes it to everyone who has a wood working space. Great job Jason.

@mrmrsberinger3818 Год назад

Thank you for doing this experiment. I think out of all the videos this has been the most important one. I really appreciate the thought and the time/effort put into it. Way to take one for the team.

@yetanotherbloke Год назад

I'm glad you had re-ignition in your video and it warrants further discussion. You had a chemical fire which even though you had smothered it, it was still generating heat. As the white powder from the extinguisher moves around with the air currents (allowing oxygen in), there was a fair bet that it was only going to be a matter of time till you had re-ignition. Short version - you need to prevent the heat from building up. This is why we want to spread the rags out. Interestingly, you never mentioned the temp that the rags on the ground reached.

@mindblown650 Год назад

Awesome job on the experiment! I've always taken some precautions cause I work in an attached garage but I didn't think it would be that easy to have a fire start. Will definitely be more careful now. I'm sure you've just saved a few workshops by creating this content, possibly even a few lives, very well done. 👍

@JakeT42 Год назад

Thanks for posting this! I didn’t realize this was a thing until someone on IG mentioned it last year. It actually worried me since I used a ton of oily rags in my grandfathers garage in the middle of summer when I first started woodworking and thankfully this never happened!

@stuartandrews4344 Год назад

Lucky..

@jasonbenjamin1464 Год назад

it’s not all oily rags but stuff like linseed oil that has an exothermic reaction that can cause this. i think there are other oils that have that property so it’s best to err on the side of caution though and treat all of the finishes like they can catch on fire.

@josh8494 Год назад

@@jasonbenjamin1464, most oily rags will do this. I spent years working as a mechanic and have seen it a couple times In similar experiments in shops with various automotive fluids. Best rule of thumb is if it is petroleum based, dry it before throwing it, or use a receptacle specifically designed to contain oily rags, like the can shown in the video.

@FFT-J Год назад

A Rubio rag caught fire in my truck. I was washing it and I smelled smoked Rubio (quite delicious smelling). Once I realized that's not good, I opened the door and the microfiber I used from 1-3 hours ago was smoldering and the core of the wadded up rag was ash.

@richardjohnson9676 Год назад

Long time listeners and first time caller as they say. This is really crucial to all wood workers, what would have been the cherry on the top is if you had brought in your local fire dept or a spokes person from Rubio or a linseed producers to explain why this happens. And to give fail safe advice such as rinsing the rags in water first before throwing them.

@Bikeeast Год назад

Oil finishes don't "Dry" they cure. It is a chemical reaction with the oxygen in air. It is an exothermic reaction, it generates heat. If the rags are wadded up and heat is allowed to build up, it can increase the rate of the reaction, causing it to reach a high enough temperature to start a fire. Laying them out flat to dry seems to be pretty effective, but I would take it a step further and put them outside on a non-combustable surface.

@Znatnhos Год назад

@@Bikeeast Thanks for that explanation!

@MrCypherdiaz Год назад

All oily rags in my shop go into a small metal trashcan with a 5gal bucket inside of it. Bucket is full of water. Can hold alot of rags. When full, pull em out, put em in trash bag and take them down to dump,hazardous waste section. I tell them what it is and the risk, they put it in a burn proof container. Extra work to keep my shop and the world safer.

@erinluczak3033 Год назад

Not just that - I work in insurance - we see entire houses burn down each year from this kind of thing. During renovation when nobody is watching it’s an extremely dangerous thing. This is why you have to discuss these things with your insurance folks to make sure everyone is on the same page. It’s terrifying! Thanks for doing this - you’ll be the new face of risk soon :)

@mathewtiegs5826 Год назад

its not so much the rags that start on fire but the oil its self. it has a way lower flash point. as low as 120 degrees

@DonsWoodies Год назад

Always knew this was a potential, but seeing it actually happen is really cool (in a horrible sort of way). The thing that really surprised me was the ones that re-ignited out in your driveway. To me that is even scarier since they had already been extinguished with a proper fire extinguisher. A lesson in 'never can be too careful' for sure! Much respect for doing this. Had to be a long, long day.

@PeterPetersNL Год назад

A powder extinguisher is normally so effective that nothing ever starts over again.

@Rabarebane Год назад

@@PeterPetersNL Sadly, no. Dry powder extinguishing agent creates rather minimal barrier (basically coating) between flammable material and oxygen. It is really useful to supress flames and extra useful as it works on most fire types. But it is one of the weakest types when it comes to possible reignition, as it does not remove the heat or disturb the ignition source. So once the powder disperses or gets encased in flammable liquid, reignition is actually quite common. Look for videos in the youtube for trying to put out fire in car engine compartment for example (hot engine keeps reigniting the stuff) or hot grills. It helps to kill the flame for a time -- but you DO NEED to get the flammable material cooled down and out to somewhere it is safer.

@WackyKayaky Год назад

This was an awesome video! Gives a realistic idea on what might happen and how long it could take. Also MOST house hold fire extinguishers are, or at least should be, ABC extinguishers which would cover this type of fire.

@Maplevilleworkshop Год назад

There’s a pretty good case made against this video by AVE

@GoogleAreDumb Год назад

Awesome video, thanks for doing the test! I've always been careful but figured it was an unlikely thing even if someone got careless once in a while. Good to know I was totally wrong.

@DavesTurningShop Год назад

Also why you should use metal cans with tight fitting lids. Contained saw dust can also spontaneously combust or if suspended in the air can explode. Thank you for putting this out there!

@1lipsey Год назад

AvE has entered the chat

@sandmanwooddesign Год назад

Jason this video was much needed. A lot of us don’t think things like this can happen to us but you proved it can happen to anyone! Well done!

@shaynesabala Год назад

Wow thanks man, I am 100% sure you have saved a shop or two and possibly a life. I can't thank you enough for taking all that time to educate us. You Rock!

@tazmon122 Год назад

the most common mixture taught in art schools as an oil thinner to replace the good ole turp is a mix of linseed oil and galkyd (or galkyd lite)....all the studios are outfitted with oxygen trapping and self closing metal bins for rags (like the red bin used in the experiment). one of my professors told me to always use at least a galvanized metal bin for rags because he used to keep his oil rags loosely under the sink but they spontaneously combusted once (thankfully his family was out of the house, and the neighbors called the fire dept pretty quick so his home wasn't totally destroyed) but hasn't had a problem with galvanized metal. never even thought to use a plastic bin....ya know...cuz plastic melts easily in heat (RIP your driveway). maybe a bit of a part 2 would be cool testing different material consumer bins and their lids. the big thing about fire is oxygen...so with or without lids can play a pretty big factor.

@MakeForLifeWorkshop Год назад

Bro, thanks for posting this video! It's amazing how little the woodworking community knows about the dangers of oily rags. This is a great way to spread some awareness. Hope your burned finger makes a full recovery, lol

@Rohvannyn Год назад

So well done. I learned a lot, even as a non-woodworker. It was truly interesting to see what sorts of oily rag setups are most hazardous. Thank you for doing all this work and presenting the content in such an engaging way!

@Rohvannyn Год назад

I wish there were a "report" option on RU-vid to call out people who pretend to be the creator. Like this moron pretending to be BourbonMoth but with a period at the end of the user name. Don't be fooled. I still reported, just used a different option.

@pehenry Год назад

0:22 - “just after midnight” yet the clock on the wall and the time stamp on the footage says 10:40pm. Not even 30 seconds in and we’re already lying.

@aizushu Год назад

This was exceptional to watch. Thank you for doing this. I have a very small garage shop and always had your thought process of “yeah but how often does it really happen?” This has made me really look into how I can prevent these types of fires from happening.

@bobthomas8342 Год назад

Same for me. I've always known about the danger, but I thought of it as a freak occurrence. To see it happen so easily was an eye opener.

@mindyhall4638 Год назад

Jason-thank you for taking all the time you did to run this test; so important and a real service to your fellow woodworkers. Thanks again!

@7r1bute Год назад

Great video, thanks a lot! Use foam or water fireextinguishers whenever its possible. Powder will likely damage all electric tools in your shop and leave a big mess. Foam will work too on burning rags, with whatever they are soaked. And it is likely that you can't breathe because of the powder and have to stop fighting the fire. Imagine using this in a smaller kitchen or livingroom.

@bh7926 Год назад

Outstanding work on setting up this experiment and recording the data. You practically covered all plausible scenarios in a reasonably safe manner. You might have saved some workshops, homes, and lives by putting so much effort into this video.

@clintoneast8878 Год назад

The main aspect to remember is that slovent/stains/some oils can spontaneously combust with NATURAL FIBER products (cotton, hemp, wood products, etc.). Learned this in school for industrial hygiene. As a Fire fighter I actually saw this happen multiple times at a hardwood flooring company. Metal dumpster right outside their shop. Generally hung their rags to dry for 24 hours before throwing away in the metal dumpster for extra caution. Also seen this happen with drips thatbland in saw dust. Stay safe out there!

@IQLion Год назад

How does it affect finished products? Do we have to worry about using boiled linseed oil or Rubio on let's say a picture frame or a basket? If you just finished a project and don't wait for it to fully dry, will it spontaneously combust?

@clintoneast8878 Год назад

@@IQLion the more dense the material the less you have to worry. The main component is air. Too much air (laying out rags instead of leaving balled up) and the oils/solvents dry or evaporate too quick. Too little air (like the small fire "resistant" rag bin) and it will heat up but not ignite. For stained wood projects, the wood absorbs the stain or oil and effectively dries it up. As someone who enjoys woodworking and fire, theoretically yes your scenario is possibly, but unlikely. Keeping things elevated also helps. When the oils chemically react with the fibers they off gas. These gases are the flamable aspect and are usually heavier then air (like gasoline fumes). The gases are the fuel, the oil/fiber generates your heat, and the air provides your oxygen. Remove any one of those 3 and you won't have a fire.

@StillLivinginthewoods Год назад

"Also seen this happen with drips thatbland in saw dust." Oh wow, that is a new one to me, but I will certainly keep it in mind moving forward. Thanks for that.

@IQLion Год назад

@@StillLivinginthewoods seems scary if you work with really thin stock like making picnic baskets or if you work with thin veneers a lot.

@jfischer507 Год назад

Reaction to the AvE vjo?

@brettdrought6181 Год назад

I have always been aware of spontaneous combustion since my father told me about it when I was a kid. I took steps that I thought were safe since then but watching this video made me realize that I wasn't taking enough steps and have been lucky to not have had a fire. Thanks for this important video showing just how serious the problem can be and how fast it can happen.

@susanj8158 Год назад

Holy cow! I had no idea that it would happen that easily. Thank you so much for doing this experiment. It's truly eye-opening. I'll definitely be a lot more careful going forward. You may have saved me for a horrible situation. Thank you.

@timkilinc535 Год назад

The best thing and what was really different about this video exploring this issue was running the test for the full 12+ hrs. I think many people probably watch it for a few hrs and decide it will never happen after a few hrs. Thanks for the video, it convinced me to take the issue much more seriously. I tend to put all oily rages in a jar, or a bottle with a tight lid to stop any oxygen getting in. After several days/weeks, I throw it in the rubbish once all dried.

@nvmyutube Год назад

@@WaltWW hand sanitizer is a good source of "magic smokeless fire", do with this as you will.

@823Steve Год назад

I'm glad you did this and made a video of it. My dad told me about this some 75 years ago so I've always been careful, but to see how quick it can happen is still an eye opener. You did good my man!😊