I use Ableton and I decided on maschine mk3 instead of push2. Here's why. 

For anyone watching this video for the first time in 2023 or beyond, a lot of the music making points in this video have been addressed. I use push 2 daily. You can 100% chop up samples, pitch them, warp them, do whatever to them using push 2. No need to touch your mouse or keyboard. The push 2 also has different pad modes that you can switch to. The mode she shows in the video is the step sequencer mode, which as the name implies, is used for sequencing sounds instead of live finger drumming. If you switch modes, you can enable the use of ALL of the pads to trigger samples for finger drumming. There are a few things you still cant do on push 2 without mouse and keyboard, but its pretty damn close. I took an online course that lasted 10 weeks where we did nothing but go through ALL of Abletons features and how to use those features on the Push 2. The Push 2 has ALOT of feature parity with mouse and keyboard. I also own a maschine MK3. If anyone is looking for one for cheap, let me know. I used it 3 times before I decided it wasnt the move.

Appreciate the brevity, deets and most of all the humour!! AND your track playing at the end!! Dope!

LOL straight to the point, love the comedy and sound effects, you the best! =)

Great vid and comparison! I agree on most points.

love this format

I have the same thought as you, as a pianist - I wasn't a fan of the Push 2 either, gave it away in the end. Might look into the Maschine mk3. Because of this video I might get the maschine. Thanks for this great vid!

I love the maschine, had the maschine studio which was awesome but I tend to finish way more stuff with Push. I don't sample much but I actually find Ableton and Push more flexible with samples. I dont' mind using the mouse though. I am not a piano player so playing melodies on the Push pads is such a cheat code. The maschine software is going to get a major update this year so I'll see how that looks and may get a maschine for portability.

you are fantastic!!!!!!! i met that same crossroad... cheers from SF bay area Cali!!!

appreciate this video. Thank you!

Cute sneeze, i like what you ideas are about both of the hardware, thanks

This is something to think about!!!! I owned the 1st generation of Machines now that i have an understanding of Abelton I want the Push2 but still thinking of the best choice!!!

Great video! Push 1 user for years. Great info. Thanks for that

I did the same thing. Picked the Maschine over the push. The only thing that sucks is the maschine ableton integration

Great vid here... quick point , you surely can warp and pitch shift samples on the push. You have access to all the settings of Sampler in fact!

your video style is so refreshing, this could have easily been like 15 minutes long with half the content!

1) love the editing on this video 2) love everything else about this video! Thanks 🙏🏾

I got push2 a few years ago and its great but i agree its not really a one-stop-shop workstation experience like working on an MPC, which i think is the workflow the Machine tries to recapture. But i always produced on rack samplers and computer sequencers in the (distant) past, so my existing attitude was that Push was closer to the way i'd always done things; it just provided more visibility into the sampler engine, and consolidated the kind of editing/sequencing process i'd otherwise had to flip back and forth between boxes to do. Yes, you can't do a lot of sample processing, but in my case i normally do most of my chops/edits before arranging /sequencing. By the time i'm using push, all i want to add is envelopes, effects, record automation, etc. And it does all those things pretty well. Agree about the buttons thing, its annoying. I dislike it when companies design products for cool-look vs. functionality. The lack of clearer indicators on buttons is sort of dumb. Tbh i think the differences are ultimately pretty minor. If someone is going from 100% 'in the box' to using some tool/controller like this, its still a big help/jump forward. And its better than things like Novation Circuit, which i know some people use.

great video! thanks

valid points here

I have had the MK3 since release and i absolutely love it!

Your explanation is so easy to understand, and you kept it short and sweet! Definitely a new sub

well done video. thank you.

Thanks for the tips!

finally someone talking about comparison, not title baiting comparison and only doing beat vids

Agree with your assessment on every point, 100%. Maschine workflow is faster and more intuitive (for me!)... ...BUT finishing and arranging tracks in Maschine is painful, hence bouncing to Ableton. What’s your favourite workflow for getting your sketch pad ideas from Maschine into Ableton? Have you got a video covering this?

lol I like your short to the point funny comparison haha

When you said "improve your workflow" you said it all. Use the right tool for the job.

I purchased Ableton Suite 9 yrs ago before Push came out, never made sense for me to get Push after owning Suite. Glad, cause I was able to observe other controllers or groovebox. Now waiting 4 SP404 mk2.

I prefer the push 2 myself, but great review!

Thanks for your review, Can you please do a tutorial on how to vocal chop ?

best. review. ever.

Thanks for the video. Literally having the same issue now. Will sell my push. I also play the piano and a maschine + midi keyboard seems unbeatable compared to the push.

Weird because I chop samples way better on the push than mashine and can warp each chop separately. For me personally I put mashine away for the push.I do agree the buttons on mashine are better and the browser. I am sticking with the push.

Maschine and Live is a beast! Get my ideas out and then finish in Live.

Great video and thanks for the tips

i spent years buying and selling gear to try to move away from ableton and DAWs and it was always super frustrating and never able to make more than small loops... i finally decided recently to accept reality and go back to ableton and it felt like home again i could do anything i wanted right away without having to run into weird friction points or stupid hacks or browsing online shops for more gear... i'm so used to mouse/keyboard with ableton that i do everything now with mouse and keyboard and really "program" music again... but i still believe i need to have a controller in order to interface better with ableton and ive always wanted a push for ages but the price is quite high for what you get and im still torn between it and mk3 since mk3 isn't just the hardware but it also comes with a lot of plugins and software (not just the ableton built in stuff which i exclusively use on ableton) i downloaded komplete start just to get familiar with the komplete environment and some of their software and going to try to use those to see how i like them... one ting that leads me to still consider the push is the notes page... i'm a complete ignorant when it comes to piano. i can't even play the happy birthday song :D i'm a bassist originally so i'm not used to a keybed at all... having a big scaled grid of notes makes me believe it would be a better interface than the 16 pads of the maschine... I have an old MPC as well but honestly i don't like its workflow. and integrating it with ableton would be a pain in the ass.

Hey Maike, can you please elaborate on not enjoying the push 2’s workflow?

Your editing = 👍🏻; my response = 🔔

How do you finish the tracks in ableton, do you just send em over? also idk if Maschine would work better in conjunction with Logic Pro x...can't decide between that and Ableton. Btw for your keyboard do you use a komplete kontrol?

TY for the inspiration btw = My main Q is why not both? I now have Maschine Jam & Mikro on their latest NI remote scripts, & beatstep on Beaststep_Q, and it feels like one big integrated Ableton console, its just wild. Push and MK3 seem like they wold be a mind-blowing combo, and face to face they take about the same backpack space as either.

I agree with you totally

You can edit individual samples with the push. load a sample, chop it using slice mode. then use the convert button to convert it into a drum rack. now you have all slices as individual samples but you can still see them in the context of the whole sample if needed and you basically now have all the controls you can have on a sample but at atomic/individual level. this is takes like seconds to do.

I also have them both and i totally agree with just about everything you said about them because i do like them both, i find that the MK3 is much more intuitive and has increased my music productions skills up by more than 75%!!! I'm cranking out 4 beats every night now. Same with the imaschine2 app!!!

Ok you convinced me, I'll wait for Push 3 then.

ive never seen anybody use the push for live performance in a satisfactory way

Push is an instrument made to control Ableton, Maschine in an instrument to make music.

Straight to the point - The Mootant approves and agrees with your observations.

Concise & Funny!

woot!

2:45 the sneeze looooool

I use both. They have some similarities. I like the fact if I can finish everything in Ableton

cool vid :)

I have push1 and 2 and maschine studio with a roland fantom-s and a korg triton and a MPE enabled Jamstik studio midi guitar, along with the roland vg-88 and gr-33 and boss gt-3, and a roland vs1680 and its smaller 8 channel cousin. The devices can be mapped in various ways even for performance along with automation. Next is to either find a deal on a decent midi foot controller that is like with taurus pedals, though am thinking maybe trying to make one with a arduino and some chopped up hockey stick pieces and simple types of momentary or latchable switches. I am also interested in how MPE devices are made, and perhaps will 3d print a mold and framework for such reasons, because there is alot of potential with the MPE concept itself to further into other midi2 surfaces. The jamstik studio guitar isnt bad though as a MPE controller if you are guitarist first, its worth mentioning if anyone is considering this to replace a mouse.

i love you. amir.

damn this is literally exactly me. I want the best of both worlds :(

Do you mix in maschine? Or do you save all that for ableton? For example do you use maschine’s compression?

Thanks for this video 👌🥰 I need your help decide between (Ableton Push vs Akai APC40 MKII And mashine mk3 ) using abelton live Daw i can’t test it in showroom during this time 😷 I will use to control my podcast recording like physical controller i need one to enjoy it and do it perfectly All i need is this Record my voice while insert some sound effect from the drum bottoms and play and stop my background music using it as mixer So quick brief my needs in this work surface -To record and edit in the same time -maybe some retouches after finishing recording if need it - i need it feels good and very accurate and smooth with knobs And easy to learn I am so geeky with the details But i need to feel confident when I get it Thank U see Ya 🖐😄🤩

Nice Video on the Point. Just a little comment the texts could stay 1 or 2 sec. longer so we have also time to read them :) but nice review

How did the Maschine dumb crashes and freezes and blue screens work out for you ?.

totally agree---;)

How do you deal with the Maschine software

Thanks for making a short video. Guys are adding unecessary stuff to fill up their vids

Did you test drive push 1 ? I had it for a long time, sold it for 2, but really think, it might be better.

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Ага. Ждите новый ролик через полгода как я вернулась к ableton push 2! А потом опять как я про него забыла. Подписывайтесь на канал жмите лайки.

I can understand your preference for the Maschine. Except, you've barely touched "the surface" of the Push2 grid capabilities ;) It's not limited to 4x4 drumming. You can map 1 or many sounds to the whole 8x8 grid. It's a good thing you share and compare your way of working. It contributes. For new kids on the block, read a manual, yes the boring part :D, watch multiple review resources of both pro's and cons of the products. Go to a music store that has specialized people who can demonstrate the products. That way you learn the most important part: What are YOUR needs. Make the journey to your destiny just as fun as achieving the goal.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for the best was to import to ableton?

I'm on the fence about maschine. I use Ableton, and sometimes FL Studio if I'm feeling piano rolly, and the idea of needing to open maschine inside of another daw to use it with that daw is scary to me. Should I just take the plunge and stop being scared?

Well , this is my big problem : Push 2 with ableton is better for making full and complex electronic music songs , but , you need it allways plugged to a computer . Maschine MK3 is better for 'right now and in your face' tunes and sounds , but has no goot 'song mode' ... Why are those company's just not coming together and working together on 1 device with the best of the 2 different devices ? This would be better for the people who wants to buy it ! Like a new (Push 3 Maschine MK' or a 'Maschine Push 1' or something ... i am sure i would buy 1 right away !

Why not use the maschine software?

For an out-of-Ableton beat-making/sketch device, I would probably prefer the MPC Live II over the Maschine MK3 for its mobility and portability. As an Ableton DAW controller to supplement mouse and keyboard though, it doesn't get much better than the Push 2.

they're different products for different applications?

I have two Maschines in a closet the Original and MK 2, How long before that thing becomes a paper weight? Better hang on to that Push.

ich bin extra wegen der samplemanipulation und natürlich der Zusammenarbeit mit ablton von Maschine auf push2 umgestiegen! was ich allerdings anmerken muss ich die miese Ausstattung des Push im arrangermode! Das ist echt mies! Hab es mit dem x Touch one kompensiert.

Hey, what do you think of the Machine+?

made me lol and buy a maschine, well done

Is maschine compatible with ableton ?

O also prefer it

Still have maschine mk2. Still worth it?.. which update?? Been reading people upgrading and and software not working. Please help. Also , have been trying to mk2controller in Ableton and don't know how. Help, have no work flow.

Why not both? Yeeeeeeiy! Getting them + DDJ 1000

interested in your thoughts on this, but wow, way too much text in this video and it speeds by before it can be read fully. You may like new plus model and clips mode in Maschine

with push can you really not warp and repitch samples? that seems like the most important thing

Your comedy is hilarious >-D

Got the Maschine as a big Ableton user and I honestly couldn't believe how bad the Ableton/Maschine set up is. Completely agree that the Maschine is better served as a sketch pad and in that sense makes me wish I had a Maschine+ as a standalone and wouldn't need a computer.

Treat yourself and work with Maschine MK3 + Jam together...you will be pleasantly surprised in many many ways...

Push 2 must be considered as a Keyboard easy to approach. And Ableton 10 with Max integration is the best DAW. It is my opinion. Cheers

So ideally you'd have both?

Hi ☺️

You do know that you can put the pads into 64-pad mode on Push2, right? You don't have to stay in the bottom-left.

Ok stop at 0:30 sec just tap 2 times the "layout' button and you got the whole 64 pads to finger drum. To chop, warp, pitch shift etc... u mos def can do in Push 2 just use "Simpler" convert to "Drum_rack" etc...

"My workflow was pushed. Hahaa, "Push"" - LOL @ 1:29 / 4:38

i really wanted to like push 2. i just couldn't get into any kind of consistent workflow. coming from an MPC, not being able to select all pads and do global tuning felt like a dealbreaker. then having to navigate through subscreen after subscreen to change each pad to warp and complex got tiresome, not to mention it was much easier to do within the software.

Even if this wasn't a really good video content wise? I would sub and like for the beat at the end. Lord have mercy.

Well i use both of them. Maschine for drums and complex bass lines with multiple synths. The fact that you can put a separate synth on each pad is a total game changer! But arranging and mixing is so much better on ableton and the push kind of makes it easier. Or atleast more fun. The only issue i have is that when you use 2 instances of maschine in ableton i can only use one of them with the mk3... I mean they both work but the mk3 is locked to one instance. I do this because i want my drums and bass on 2 individual tracks. Please fix this ableton!!

got it . push is the best for live performances with ableton. maschine is a better composition tool

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Pick a mpc one

You are Absolute Legend! Hello from Ukraine and Thanx for this tearup

Hi, the big problem is Maschine has no integration for Ableton and for a Ableton user is this a no go, u need config. all buttons etc. in Ableton, and this not funny... show please a workflow Maschine on Ableton ?

Unfortunately, they both have flaws. Maschine is more fun for sure, though when it comes to finishing tracks it becomes not so fun at all. I ditched mine to get push2. And to be honest I miss maschine, but things I couldnt even work around with my dear mk3 I can do with push2.