Correct, but most people don’t realize that. So the intent is to wave it in people’s faces that they signed away there right to sue and hope they just drop it, if it goes to court it would obviously be dismissed, but it still cuts down the number of lawsuits the company has to deal with
You can sue if you sign an arbitration clause. It's just a lot more difficult. Liability waivers require loopholes and jumping around fine print, so again, it is still possible, just very unlikely if it's air-tight.
I remember thist story. Turns out the Lawyer for the company walked into the CEO's office and told him she would not be defending this case and they needed outside Counsel. There was a settlement, the guy got his job back and a Fair raise, an apology from the CEO, and the CEO reached out to the Company that he applied to and explained exactly what had happened. There were firings and demotions. His boss apologized, OP understood where he was coming from, but would never trust him again. OP was going to hide out in the company for a year or so and rebuild his reputation and then go look for another position elsewhere.
@@DivusMagusthat's where a binding arbitration agreement comes from. A judge of a lawsuit would see the agreement and dismiss the lawsuit, telling you to go through arbitration
He should have made the company contact the one that got the bad reference and explain what happened. Now, an entire pool of people believes he is a rapist
@@drunklink350how rightfully so? That just sounds like a bunch of 💩. Fair enough if he actually did it and had a criminal case against him but there were no such thing however there was a case against the 2 women and the company so the company should have to explain what’s happened to that other company he tried to work at.
@@legacyplays6050 regardless of it being proved he was innocent the label of “potential rapist” follows him everyone since somebody else told a Company higher up he was under investigation for it. If anyone asks about his history they’ll be forced to share he was accused of it and it’ll make others unsure of him. Anyone that is accused of rape will have that accusation follow them everywhere even when they’re proved to be 100% innocent of that accusation. Once it is thrown at you there’s no getting rid of it.
@Alienator-999 Only if they are accused and taken to court. This investigation and accusation took place at his company, and no legal action was involved yet. No one will ever have to put "accused for rape" when talking about him. Also, the company did infact have a word with the other company as well. It isn't like all the big companies have a word with each other, so the HR department at the other company are likely the only people tha5 even know about that. As when hiring someone, you aren't really allowed to talk about their profile with the workers.
@@andrewhoughton8606No they probably did know everything and we're just hoping op wouldn't realize it was caught on camera because if there's one thing companies love to do that sweep thing under the table as fast as humanly possible and remove all liabilities from their premise. So in their mind fire him replace him as fast as humanly possible and hope none of the other co-workers snitch that it was BS
I would have gone through with the lawsuit no matter what. They defamed you, slandered you, fired you, and didn't have the common decency to properly investigate some very serious charges against you. A lawsuit is the only way to move forward. How many people are they going to screw over in the future? How many innocent people are going to have to have their lives ruined. How many innocent people have offed themselves over a lie? Take a stand for once.
This exactly! He's got a strong enough case to make heads roll if you ask me... Allthough I personally don't put too much faith in the system either. Once being screwed over like that would understandably make him think twice about his course of action. In an ideal world, which we already know it isn't because of this happening in the 1st place, he'd get justice handed to him on a silver platter with a case this clear. I'm always so extremely disappointed with the non-action taken against the people that made the false accusations in the first place. They should never ever be getting away with it and not face SERIOUS consequences. Equally serious to what he has been going through and what would have happened, had he not had the video to prove his innocence. Frankly a judge should also look at the "reasoning" of the accuser, in this case there was absolutely NO REASON for that woman to make such a serious accusation and to try and DESTROY his entire life over.. what?! All he did was have a conversation about her shortcomings and he did not even discipline her over the mistakes she made. Why on earth did that manager she talked to after that tell her to go to such extremes? From this video it seems she doesn't even know him really as they're working in different units and have no business connecting them in any way. Why does she just randomly want to destroy someone? Both women should get a very serious reality check for what they did. Unfortunately, more often than not.. these false accusers just get away with what they did. Very often too because the person that was falsely accused doesnt want to pursue anything just to stay low on the radars. As someone already said, once you're associated with accusations like that, people will spin stories, like giving the false info to that other companies hr department. Even if youre innocent, people will think where theres smoke, there's probably fire. So in an effort to keep things as quiet as possible, they won't go after anything even tho it is very very well within their rights to go and get justice.
especially when he was able to get an interview with some other company but but the original company's records still prove that he was "terminated for improper behavior"
Because if he did';t get the job back he would have been branded. This is a stolen story . In original there was no arbitration . OP also explained that he applied for other jobs and when he was offered one some from the old company let it slipped that he was fired and he lost the new job . Op only stayed there a year and left
So they fired you withheld evidence a supervisor told an employee to lie! They didn’t give you options to defend yourself! Then sabotaged your new job! Tried to destroy evidence and fired the tech guy because he wouldn’t comply and tried to get you to sign documents after the fact! Why the fuck would you want to go back?
yeah. cause what is stopping them from happening again? If they are easily persuaded by a simple lie, then what is stopping them from hearing another lie about you? The person that told the IT person can easily be sued for destruction of evidence cause that camera video could be counted as evidence of what really happened.
Non-arbitration contracts are considered null and void if the company violates the law in the process of you working there or being fired. As op was fired through negligence of the company on a false basis, arbitration is not required
@@WhermstDidIAskand even further continuing, had he signed the agreement rhere is technically nothing preventing him from suing, but it would certainly be more challenging with that signed paper.
Could he still go after Joyce? She clearly was the driver behind all of this, and took actions to prevent the truth from coming to light. Also, I 1000% think he should still go after Deborah. Both need to be taught false accusations are a serious matter
Arbitration is not for criminal acts what she did is file a false criminal report. That does not go through arbitration. That means you get your ass thrown in jail and you get sued.
Offered my job back? Yeah they can kick rocks. Two years full salary, a public apology and the CEO must PERSONALLY call and write to every single company with whom I interviewed explaining the truth of the situation or I'll see you in court.
who would agree to that? don't be silly. the CEO personally call and write to those companies? that's useless. the ceo would try to minimize the mistake they made. just sue them in full and, once you win, use the money for charity and make it public what happened with the company. that's how you take care of this kind of false acusations.
Similar happened to a roommate of mine. School had a 0 tolerance article 7. And revoked his deploma after he walked because of a "she said". It was categorically proven false. But they stood firm. His father had a lot of money to burn and so sued them for every penny that school was worth. He got 25mill out of the school and his diploma back. Now my roommate never has to lift a finger again in his life and still have enough to buy a plane and send 4 kids through private school and college... still to this day dont know why people would hold firm against shit like this... it costs so so so much less to take the first deal.
Bro could have literally retired and bankrupted the company, what they did was criminal in every way, OP had them by the balls but was stupid enough to accept the peanuts they threw at him, after that wipeout he could have used to court case to clear his name once the company was found liable.
I wouldn't accept working for the company again , I would increase my demand to 5 years salary at the higher rate from the date of suspension. A public apology, and a personal phone call to the 2nd employer explaining the claims made were false. Plus attorneys fees
Remember everyone "BELIEVE ALL WOMEN" because they never lie and they'll never take advantage of the "me too" furor to benefit themselves or indulge their petty misandry..... they're essentially angels being hunted by us awful men. poor victimized women😢
your the misandry, there have been hundreds of false accusations against men who have done nothing wrong for the pettiest of reasons. All the women is such disputes get no repercussions, and the men have their lives ruined. Often times with no evidence. It's almost always guilty until proven innocent in these cases, and this behavior spits in the face of actual victims. It's all to common for men to be accused with no evidence, and often times they are given the guilty verdict without evidence.
Statistically speaking he is right, most grope cases tent to be either poorly investigateted or out right false allegations, as the CDC and fbi reluctantly disclose in 2023
Proven intentional false accusations, not misplaced accusations, but knowingly malicious false ones, need to carry the maximum sentencing of the crime accused.
Remember folks. YOU CAN ALWAYS SUE THE TORT FEASOR! (In this case the person who actually made the original defamatory claim.) Sue her and the rest of the company will be investigated. Then sue the OTHER tort feasor who spread it to the job OP applied for.
Arbitration doesn't include damaging reputation. I'd tell the boss you best brush up on your resume because once my attorney is done, the company owner is going to be pissed.
I never would have accepted the job to work there again. After everything that happened? Sure it was HR who was the cause of all this, but no one dared question them nor handled it professionally. I would have sued for back pay, a year of salary, and a public apology.
The Pence Rule is 9000% because he was caught getting his wick wet by his wife and she threatened to tank his political career if he so much as stuck a toe out of line again. Woman has him on a short leash now - no wonder he always looks like he has a stick up his azz 🤣🤣
that doesn't work. if it's another woman, she can side with your "victim" and testify against you. if it's another man, the "victim" will claim both ganged against her.
@WilliamWizer this is unfortunately true, so in the end just DO NOT be a closed off room with a woman because the possibility of you getting wrongfully accused is quite quite high whether there are security cameras present or not
@@Legend-up2dn so true. but it's even worse than that. two/three men and a woman? both abused of her. you, her and her female friends? they will testify how horrible you were to all of them. of course, this is a sort of extreme parody but... wouldn't be the first time something like that happens. even to the point of going overseas, seduce a random man and accusing him of rape so they can claim, to their insurance company, that they were raped. ok. this may be only a fake story since I find it too absurd and I, fortunately, wasn't part of it but... the story is there to be told.
@@obsidianfrost9514 Ironically for me just seeing that color scheme would make me less interested in it regardless of what I might plan to do with it. I also don't want to have to repaint an entire frickin house after moving in. Thanks but no thanks.
Jesus christ man, why would you make such a small problem get so big!?!?!?!?! wtf man! This HR person is absolutely a huge problem not only for this company but for society!
Cases like these just get my blood boiling. A whole bunch of people being incompetent AF, supporting(!!!) two psychopaths that, for NO REASON AT ALL... got it into their toxic narcissistic pea brains to try and utterly destroy a completely innocent human being. Why and how someone could not only think about doing that, but actually going through with it, is beyond me. The actual chain of events after that by all the people involved in that company is beyond my comprehension as well. How is this company even run and surviving if this is how this case was handled? How did no-one even think to check those camera's? On the other hand, perhaps a good thing no one remembered those camera's but OPs friend... or with the way they tried to go after OP, I would not have been surprised if someone "accidentally" erased the footage of that day. Those two women should face some serious consequences for falsely accusing someone of something that serious. Especially if you weigh it against their motives. I mean, if they had had some serious beef with OP or issues and disagreements that had been simmering for years.. still no reason to accuse him of SA which could quite literally destroy his entire life.. but then at least any sane person would get some sort of sense of why... but from this video it seems the manager doesnt know or work close with OP and as for the employee, OP did nothing more than say something about the mistakes she made, she wasn't written up or anything at all. And to spare her from any public humiliation he even talked to her in private and then she turnes around and goes to use that against him. (Bet if he had said something publicly, she'd somehow made a stink about it too) Thank God for the camera's in that room! As for whatever steps and measures were taken after the employee made the false accusation, EVERY SINGLE PERSON involved in that process of failure upon failure should be seriously reviewed and reprimanded. This is someones entire life they just blatantly disregarded and in the end cost the company greatly as well. So as a CEO id definitely rethink the position each and every involved person has in that company including myself. If they make mistakes of this magnitude and no one is apparently keeping anyone responsible for what they're doing, then there is 100% other stuff alipping through those cracks as well. OP Is one of the good ones, but they've obviously lost him, even though he did settle for a bit with them. He rightfully never trusted them again and still left after he had his ducks in a row. In my opinion he should have gone after them full force, but alas. Many falsely acused victims, (in my opinion they are victims) wont be doing any real retaliation out of fear of making the case bigger and more public. Having your name associated with sa is never good even if its proven without a doubt that youre innocent. People will make a negative connection still and many will think: where there's smoke, there's most likely to also be fire. And so the real evil and vile ones, those making these false claims, they never face any consequences.
You should never believe anybody without some decent evidence. Being female isn't an exception to that. Women are actually able to lie, the more you learn.
The balls on this company that to say that OP waived the right to sue them, realized he hadn't and then send him papers to actually do that while he is getting legal council.
A couple of times when I've wanted to sign up for an American site, I've noticed the Terms of Agreement say that the user can't sue the company and any disputes must be handled in arbitration. Every time I refuse to sign up. Better without a web service I need, than to agree to some American legal BS.
extremely tempted? I would go for it without second though. OP knew for a fact that he would win the sue. just one single evidence is needed. the feed from the security camera. if the company can't show it at the trial, they f*cked up for destroying evidence. if they show it, they f*cked up since it clearly shows they knew OP was innocent.
First of all, this man was incredibly lucky. No one should ever take a person into private in a corporation unless there is a recording of it and everyone is made aware of it. Second of all, the HR manager completely failed his or her job and should also have been fired.
easy win? either the company shows the security footage of the "suposed incident" (and they got screwed hard) or OP lawyer claims the company destroyed evidence (and they screw even harder)
How fome they cant terminate the ly8ng woman??? Sounds like the boss thought you was trying to get at they office peice and let you go by making up some shit
Click the link, it will describe the whole encounter. It does involve him getting his job back. The woman being fired. Defamation cases against another woman. The accussing woman attempted to have evidence destroyed.
It doesn't really feel very adequate that they accused him of rape and spread it around town with the false allegation that he was being criminally charged with it. Like that shit ends people's life in some situations. They should totally be made pay for it.
That being said, cameras or not the guy was a bonehead for having that meeting where nobody else could see. If you are in a workplace environment and are forced to deal with a member of the opposite sex then you either bring a camera to record it, or go to a place where you know their is working surveillance and make them fully aware that they are being recorded.
and you accepted your job back why you could've made them settle for huge amount of money if you went to the media their company will suffer much more then paying you several millions in settlement that's what i would've done and then i will go and sue her
What is the killer here,is that if a guy made the false accusation he wouldn't be taken seriously. Folks need to stop assuming first,its like the saying goes,Innocent before guilty.
Given most HR departments are run by women that's a given. Best case scenario you will be ignored. Worst case they will drum up some vague language in your employment contract and have you dismissed.
Sir you made one mistake you should have never went in there with her alone you should have taken another female who you trusted who would be honest with you
