Out of all shows the most succesful one is definitely SIXTEEN, not only because well... They made TWICE, that alone is the top selling girlgroup. But! Also has a vast amount of participants that, they didn't win yes, but were still massively successful! Somi, the Lee Sisters, etc etc.
Twice ain't the only grouo who has experience that kind of achievement. Bigbang has also survival show history, look at them now they are KPOP LEGENDARY of all time.
Actually if the name was translated from the Hangul .it will called "excitement after school". Incase you don't know. The PD was behind the season one of produce series. Which he also produce, sixteen, mixnine, and unpretty rapstar
no for real, when i was watching it i looked up ‘my teenage girl’ on tiktok to see vids about it and it was BLOCKED like how they do for inappropriate words
Fromis_9's story as a whole (the from a survival show to being ridiculously neglected by their former company to joining Pledis & Hybe) is actually pretty insane!
I didn't watch Produce season 4, I didn't even know that it existed until the scandal came out. I never listened to X1's debut. But I feel so bad for those boys. It's not their fault that the show was rigged, and to have their dream ripped from them so soon into their careers, must have been awful for them. I hope they find success in other kpop groups
I watched the whole show, saw their debut, became a one-it in no time and saw all the talent and the potential that the boys had until the scandal happened. I was so devastated because I couldn't do anything to help them, it was such a hard time, no one should ever get to experience that pain.
Produce X 101 was really good and X1 were really successful and popular, like they were the most successful rookie boy group that debuted in 2019, but unfortunately the scandal ruined everything
The rigged topic came from before X1, Produce 48 was literally blunt when they announced their final line up. Leaving Ga Eun out after literally she being between top 5 every single voting round was a slap on the face to everyone. We might never know who were the final 2 trainees who got selected for Izone and kind of it really doesn't matter
Stray Kids the show was worth mentioning because it had a different format since the idea wasn’t to eliminate but to test what was already formed. I think the show itself was just stressful for them and didn’t add much, but today they are one of the biggest groups of global scale.
I LOVE ILAND so much, for me it's so entertaining but it was traumatizing because I loved almost all the trainees so i really wanted them all to succeed. Also the boys had to work on everything themselves that some trainees like Ni-Ki was pressured to teach his competitors and when he wanted to focus on himself since he gets a low rank each time, some knetz called him out saying he was selfish, the hate train began for him there. Like he was still 14, not fluent in Korean and he was expected to teach them when ILand should have trainers or teachers help the trainees.
I think it was better for them to not have teachers actually, they had the basics down and the experience taught them a bit of self reliance and responsibility. I think that makes a better group in the long run. But they should have had a language teacher though, that’s just difficult to do by yourself😓
The best thing, and only thing, we got from Mixnine are the friendships between all these groups afterwards. But one could've only imagined what could've been. Also good idea of Happyface to withdraw the Dreamcatcher members early. Also missing is obviously Stray Kids. And while I agree with iKon pushing Mix&Match to S tier, the ending of the show was F tier.
I-land was interesting in the sense that it had way less contestants and the guys were pretty much their own tutors (minus the sometimes appearances of the coaches who were… pretty useless). It felt way more authentic since the editing felt a bit less squeaky clean and showcased the personalities of the boys a bit more (at least for an mnet show). So it’s no surprise that many people are still attached to it and even go out of their way to rewatch it years later.
Izone could've been the next big thing if they had a 7 year contract. I love their new groups but them as one is starting to sweep everything until they disband.
Izone WERE the next big thing though. If I'm not mistaken, they were the best selling 4th gen K-pop group of 2020, outselling even the 4th gen boygroups
@@mariunfabregas7533 agreed, IZ*ONE were probably the most popular 4th gen gg theres been and i guess you could say they still are because of how popular the groups theyre now debuting in are
izone held a lot of girls back. and some girls and boys in the male season only go on survival shows like this to launch acting careers. wizones forcing them to continue makes no sense. hyewon and minju especially want to be actors
X1 was going to be absolutely MASSIVE if they were still together. I just can't imagine how big they would've been at the end of their contract that would've ended in 2024. Such and unfortunate situation.
My favorite is I-land. On top of the amazing setting, this survival show knew the kind of group they wanted to create and the challenges reflected that. The final group had to have great versatility and dance skills and insanse stage presence and they managed to obtain that. Not to mention I-land had a lot of original songs and they were all bangers, especially Flicker and I & Incredible. Can't wait for I-land 2 and their new girl group, I hope they'll be as successful as Enhypen.
I love survival shows but I don't wanna stan the groups knowing they're just temporary and will disband after 2-3 years. Like, all that drama and pain the idols and I went through, they'll just disband??? That's why I love i-land. After going through the whole survival drama show, it felt so worth it stanning Enhypen.
are u kidding, because the editing is terrible and it seems to forced. like technically hybe don't need cj to create a group for them. and it's totally rigged. like the editing .. they could just send anyone to ground, whoever they liked and producers would send them up. so they can just create some victim narrative. they did this for sunoo, they'll do it for a girl in next season and evil edit the rest. it's a terrible show. what saved them was how good they perform as a group, having decent music, especially drunk-dazed and fever, and half of them bighit trainees, who are like unicorns in the industry .. and then also a great creative team behind them. =
@@xoxo-wd9bv The editing was WAY better than the Produce series, especially when it came to performances. It's not rigged lol. During the entire show they painted Ni-ki in a bad light and he still managed to debut and he's now the most popular member. "Evil editing" did nothing to him. And thet hyped K a lot, but still he didn't manage to debut and wasn't chosen by the producers who picked Sunoo. Glad he is in &Team now tho. Obviously it was a show where the producers had a lot more power compared to the Produce series, but it doesn't mean it's rigged. The producers wanted a specific kind of group and they made specific challenges to obtain it. Talented trainees like Genou simply didn't fit the image. It wasn't 100% fan voted, so it's normal the producers' choices had more impact. No one suffered because of evil editing, I would say Jay proved how you can still avoid being evil edited even when the storyline tries to create conflict. I respect him a lot for this. It's not I-land's fault that Sunghoon, Jay, Heeseung, Jake and Jungwon spent all the show together. It was clear they were meant to be in a group and the audience saw it. It was to be determined whom among Sunoo, Ni-ki and K woul join them. The only controversial thing that happened in I-land was Hanbin's elimination. He was clearly a fan-favorite but the producers didn't want him and so they threw him out just when he started to climb up the rankings. They had obviously other plans for him (they let him have a solo performance at the new year Hybe concert), but he left the company and is now in Tempest. I'm glad he managed to debut because he was the one who was treated unfairly in I-land.
@@teumoangene2847 you are right, there is no better feeling than stanning a group after following a survival show, especially if your picks made it. You just know the group better and the bond with them is stronger. All my picks from I-land made it into Enhypen (and K is now debuting with &Team) so I was super happy to stan the group. Usually in the survival shows I watched (like Girls planet) I only have ONE pick and I would sacrifice anyone else to see them debut lol. But in I-land Sunghoon was my main pick since day 1, but during the show I grew attached to all the members of Enhypen and I really wanted them to debut. I'm already thrilled for next year when we will finally be able to come back inside that building with all the new trainees. It will be amazing. I want to see Enhypen's reaction to coming back there. The emotions!!!
For me, I-Land showcased the most authentic feelings of the contestants and seems the least scripted. There weren't many sob or heroic stories like other survival shows.
@@tangerinu_u i watched I-land on Rakuten Viki! it comes with a lot of adds so be warned but atleast it's free and it doesn't come with any sketchy pop-ups 😭 hope this helps :DD
I-land is top tier for me it's like a really amazing show that can make you so so happy and then 5 min later make you cry like a river, i'm glad that the final team are being so successful, Enhypen really deserves!!!
I was shocked to find out Mingi & Wooyoung made it to MixNine because you never saw them. I do remember Jongho's high notes and Hongjoong's smile left a lasting impression that I recognized them when I found ATEEZ.
@@lovejoyradio they didn't have any screen time at all, the very good performance Wooyoung appear less then 5 seconds they rank were high for beginning
Pentagon Maker was a good survival show. I also watched snippets of “The Origin-A, B, or What?” (the show that created ATBO). Cube may not have the best track record, but Pentagon Maker was good from start to finish, no scandals, and every member had the chance to showcase their songwriting skills as well as musical skills in addition to vocal & dance. Like Momoland, Pentagon’s earlier songs weren’t too recognized until Shine came along. Initially a sleeper hit, Shine became big. Gorilla, Dr Bebe & Hmph are great singles too. The most common songwriters of the group are Hui, Dawn (2016-2018) & Kino, but other members have showcased their musical creativity too. ATBO’s show was good. But in your Tier List, WIN, Who’s Next & Mix & Match were great. In general, I like groups that are self-producing. Pentagon Maker should be in A. It had emotion, personality and flair.
I'm addicted to K-Pop survival shows. My all-time favorites were MIXNINE, Produce 48, and Produce 101. Got really invested in voting for Girls Planet 999 and My Teenage Girl, and now I'm trying my best to support "CLASS:y" because of the time and voting investment I put into K-Pop survival shows.
I like My Teenage Girl too, its my first survival show i watch and really like how everyone progressing every episode. The challenge and battle is interesting too.
For me even tho they weren’t mentioned, the creation of JBJ and UNB will always have a special place in my heart. These were some of the first survival show groups I followed along with wanna one and ioi, and although they weren’t as famous I listened to their songs soooo muchhh.
My opinion: Every Kpop Survival Show I watched seemed to think that if there wasn't a crying teen every twenty minutes, people would get bored. Can't say that I like that. And don't get me started on Evil Editing. There has to be a villain sometimes viewers eat just everything up. There are some rules when it comes to reality shows, kpop or not. The most basic on is, NEVER believe an reaction shot. If there face is the only thing on the scene and you can't see what is happening in the frame, they could be reacting to literally anything. Or their nose is just itch or there tired from smiling. But Survival Show performance are god tier, so I always get weak and up watching.
One of my favorite survival shows is THE UNI+. It had a really unique concept (that ultimately failed). There were so many recognizable contestants (ONEWE (MAS), Junyoung, Hangyul, A.C.E, DIA, Dalshabet, Euijin, Hyunjoo, etc) and a truly iconic panel of judges (Rain, Taemin, AND HyunA?!). It really sucks that UNB and UNI.T didn't gain the popularity they deserved. If anyone reading this hasn't heard of them I really recomend you check them out. I recommend Feeling (UNB) and No More (UNI.T).
SIXTEEN will forever be the best survival show of all time and you cannot convince me otherwise. All Kpop trainees have talent but no other had the charms or personality that TWICE had. Plus, I love JYP’s kinder approach, they grew being nurtured and not traumatized which is something the entire industry desperately needs.
My Teenage Girl is underrated. I’ve seen all of these survival shows and that one is definitely the most organized, most fair, and the contestants were all so talented.
@@thursdayschildhasfartogo Hmmm.. I definitely think judgement is up to the person. I personally felt My Teenage Girl was pretty organized. All opinions are respected.
I have watched the show and I agree. There were so many talented trainees plus the mentors were so nice. But I didn’t like there selection system. Also, I feel bad for the group cuz the girls are crazy talented but they aren’t as famous as other survival show groups.
The contestants suffered a lot emotionally from No Mercy.... The Monstas avoid talking about it whenever they can and when they do talk about it, there is no fondest whatsoever. They were all told this was basically their only and last opportunity to debut because they were "getting too old", they were not called by their names but by their ranking, their privacy was often intruded upon as they were expected to be available for filming 24/7, some of the judging was overly harsh and pretty much every single one of them was in tears throughout the show... but yes, we're grateful for Monsta X, but f*** No Mercy....
I was searching for a comment like this! I LOVE Monsta X but omg the show was so brutal and yes, I totally agree that they were making the boys believe that this was their last chance, which is honestly probably the reason that they could get away with being so harsh on them... I feel so bad for all of them but especially Changkyun who was introduced super late into the show and obviously that made the others hate him. Even today, they all dodge questions about how they were formed which is a telltale sign that they suffered a great deal during the show
X1 was a major threat to the whole 4th gen when they debuted. they only had one album and they were breaking records left and right. IMAGINE IF THEY WERE STILL TOGETHER
Idk whether I have just not seen enough shows like this, but I'm surprised that you didn't mention the brutal conditions during "No Mercy", especially the fact that they added Changkyun so late into the show which made the others literally hate him and he suffered greatly from this. Even today, they don't want to talk about it, it seems to be a sore spot for all of them
Yes, stray kids was a survival show but it was very much different from most other survival shows In other survival shows trainee are kinda made to compete against each other to win a spot in the final debuting team whereas in skz's show , the debuting team already had 9 members hand picked not by jype but leader Chan himself and this show was meant to prove to their company and jyp that all the 9members in the team are worth debuting and were put to the risk of elemination on failing to do so. Felix and Lee Know actually got eleminated during show, but we're brought back to compare and identify if Stray Kids, as a group is better'with 7 or 9 members In the end they chose to debut skz with all 9 original members. Woojin later left Skz and jyp for personal reasons leaving skz the Jyp double million seller 4th gen leader we know today. Based on skz's current success I would rank Stray kids (show) - 'S' tier.
Personally, the first survival show that I was fully invested in was the one for Stray Kids. The rollercoaster of emotions, the trainee cameos from soon-to-be famous groups, and the fact that the debut team was formed by Chan himself- Honestly got to be top 3
I actually think The Unit is notable as well, even though it kinda failed. Uni.T's songs are both bops and it brought back amazing idols for a second chance, like Suji and Hyunjoo, and also bringing more popularity to other smaller groups, like Laboum and Sonamoo and Dia. Imagine not having WooWoo 😞😞😞
Crying as a Wizone and Oneit. My favourite was iland for sure, but it was both traumatising and a roller coaster of emotions as the rankings of my bias was pretty unstable. I had to continuously vote so that he would debut. I also kinda liked the fact that they had to send trainees to the ground themselves, to make the perfect team. I feel like it was good because they trained together and could clearly see how much work they put into practising and what they were lacking. The fact that they could choose their parts based on their own abilities and not what they were assigned was AMAZING They could show case what they were good at. Not to mention, they had a lot of original songs that I still go back to listen to today
MIXNINE was a failure as a show, but over the years I've found so many groups I really enjoy with members that competed there. There's half of ATEEZ, the original seven that made up ONF, the majority of DREAMCATCHER, and one or two members from groups like LOONA, ONEUS, ITZY, CIX, PURPLE K!SS, Billlie, TAN, KINGDOM, PIXY, Weeekly, MYTEEN and later B.O.Y, A.C.E., and so many more that all appeared on the show. TREASURE it feels like could face some uncertainty. With Mashiho and Bang Ye Dam leaving now, along with the pre-debut departure of Ha Yoon Bin, they've lost nearly a fourth of the original lineup. Looking back now, it feels like there was a lot of hype surrounding Bang Ye Dam's inclusion throughout the show, so now that one of the more prominent main vocals has left it feels a little shaky. My Teenage Girl was pretty much a mess, though not entirely surprising considering at it's core MBK was behind it. Definitely a lot of talent there, but most were far too young, and of the trainees that were either the most ready to debut in Grade 3, or at a last chance to debut in Grade 4, none from Grade 3 made it, and three from Grade 4. Even then, there's a seven year age gap between the oldest and youngest member of CLASS:y. I would almost hope when it's all said and done that Hyungseo, Chaewon, and Hyeju, the three eldest members, get a chance to have a VIVIZ type moment post-CLASS:y.
Well, we can blame the voters. Because as far as i know. Majority of the voters on MTG was around the age of grade 1 - early grade 3. As far. Class:y doing kinda fine which they now sold a half of entire DIA sales. I just hope the number not even drop because, even the CEO was part of DIA. She not even treat DIA properly after DIA moved under her management. Plus, they not even comeback until they disband (which is ironic because. They announced Will have comeback on early 2021). My speculation was. This was what MBK want when they want to debuting DIA.
You can't say that mixnine is a failure just because mixnine winners didn't debut due yo companies who didn't agree with the terms. But you will see that mixnine is a success because Most of artist that came in mixnine are really talented esp when they csme out. They already knew what or how to improve and deal facing reality. It also help them to recognize their skills remember that most of vocalist there became a rapper and they turn out so well. They also have showed their creativity in that show and learn a lot with each other
MIXNINE is my all time favorite survival show. The stages and the cover songs they put on were INCREDIBLE! And you could tell that the mood among the contestants was amazing. It had a very creative spirit.
i agree!! their original music (not the cover songs) are the best!! like there were no bad music at all as compared to other survival shows' original music which have at least 1 or 2 that were bad
Yas so true. Yg survuval shows really showed their skills and reality of being an idol. In mixnine you can witness what happened if you didn't cooperate in a team and just thinking about yourself. There's a girl there in mixnine that she claim al position ended up saving herself than her members. Like her position was main vocal, main dancer, leader, center and etc like girl soloist & a back up dancer? XD
Iland was so watchable as a reality show. We can see the skills and character development of the contestants especially in part 2. They had such contrasting images and were left to fend for themselves most of the time. It really felt like a survival show
I actually waited for skz survival show cause this one is so different and the fact that the kids made everything by themselves it just makes it so much better
I loved I-LAND tbh I can't wait for s2 it brought out all the trainees had in them and prepared them for what it means to be an idol and I mean the crazy drama part of it. Seemed more authentic. My only regret was not getting K debut in enhypen but I understood the painful decision.
Nathan I’m a bit disappointed u didn’t talk abt the mistreatment of the girls and vote manipulation of idol school. Fromis are S tear but idol school is an F
you didn't watch the unit? it was probably the most enjoyable survival show I've watched, probably because most of the participants already debuted they seemed more relaxed than other survival shows' participants. though there were dramas here and there but it was still fun.
I agree with you that Mixnine had a disaster ending, plus add that YG was a dick especially to Haseul! But I loved that Heejin and Hyunjin were in it, and that there were actually quite a big number of good songs/performances in the show... Nice sexy ones included!
He was so harsh even on his own trainees. He was so harsh on Treasure’s Junkyu that for a while he couldn’t sing while looking up. He lost all confidence
No mercy was hell for the trainees tho. Yeah Monsta X is phenomenal but they keep saying they didn’t like No Mercy. Quoting Minhyuk: “Hell broadcasting”
The idea about survival shows is that is a very efficient way to attract popularity onto the contestant before the entertainment companies need to invest any buck onto debuting them.
I always think about how amazing X1 would have been if they stayed together. They probably would have been so huge. I don’t even know the names of the groups they split off into.
Yeah! But this is all producers fault. We lost the group due to their rigging. Those boys were eventually going to debut in their own groups in the end. But unlike now they would have been so much well known.
@@InternetsNathan can't wait omg!! And thank you for finally remembering us but can't blame you tho like the amount of concerts you've been too recently 💀
I will never forgive Mnet for what happened to X1. I always think about how much more successful those boys would’ve been and it makes me angry. I know a few of them are doing fine, but they really would’ve been huge. It’s sad.
My ‚favourites‘ still are win and mix&match They were absolutely RUTHLESS, however the performances were absolutely amazing It‘s also one of the few i watched all the way through iKON still are one of my ults today so yeah
ILand is really special to me. It was so emotional and heartwarming at the same time. It was really hard to see them struggle but our now debuted group Enhypen have made us proud ❤
My favorite survival show is "Wild Idol" which is literally a survival show and wild. 🔥 Please, check it out. The group formed by the show is already debuted and already had four Music videos. It's called TAN a very amazing group and very underrated. Members Lee Changsun & Lee Jaejun also a participants in Mixnine.
idk, I'd probably put GP999 in A or B honestly because they aren't making the same impact as previous Produce groups, especially domestically. The constant fandom in-fighting and rookie competition kind of stunted their growth for now, plus their 1st week sales went down iirc. Hopefully everything improves for them though
LOUD was so good! I don’t like survival shows in general, but LOUD really got me interested and I enjoyed it a lot! When I say I don’t like survival shows, I mean those Produce Series-like. Those like Stray Kids, where it serves as a pre-debut promotion for the group and the creator already knows, who they want in that group anyway, that’s more less okay. But those like Produce etc are just fake/scripted drama with a group lasting only for some amount of time… So it’s not like with for example JYP forming his another group for his label for many years/for the future. These are basically just groups to earn as much money as possible in those two/something around two years. So obviously they will put in that group not purely those ones, who are the best and the most skilled. But they will give a preference to those, who are attractive to fans even though they might not be as good as other ones. And also after the show there are many contestants, who didn’t make it to the final line up, but they gained some popularity. So their label will want to use that momentum of fame to quickly debut a new group with them. And that has an impact on the training system, which got shorter than it used to be, because those labels debut the groups with trainees, who aren’t the best of the best, but just good enough to debut. And all of this causes the fact that there are a lot of groups on the scene, which are just trying their luck and those greedy businessmen are simply gambling with the life of teenagers, who just wanted to debut
Mixnine was the best in terms of the show itself. YG, Seungri and CL personally visiting agencies, letting us see how those agencies and their owners were like, the activities the contestants had, the best original songs, the best theme song, the trainees (like you mentioned), the right amount of drama... I didn't need the debut since it was only going to be for a few months anyway.
WIN who is next is truly something else. You got to know every single one of the trainees and got to know their struggles. I love how you saw their raw emotion and could really feel the pressure. All the performances were truly amazing. I hope something similar to this is able to happen soon!
the unit was a great one in terms of performance and dynamics! too bad the groups were poorly managed bc the idols were actually very talented and already attempting their 2nd shots in the industry :(
I almost say Stray Kids was also formed through a survival show. Because JYP was willing to kick people out or debut Itzy instead of Stray Kids all together. It's brutal, but almost a more interesting concept that could get rid of rigging. Like "here's a set group," now they compete to stay in group.
Would recommend checking out Youth With You 2, it had some major popularity within and outside of China - a lot of it's trainees we're there before girl's planet 999.
If the concept of I-land was that the trainees would also have a hand in deciding their teammates, wouldn't it make more sense for them to vote for the people they want to stay instead of the people they want to get out?
Hey Mate. It's been a while since we saw you last. Glad you're back in it. I have a question, does anyone in the k-pop industry take dance/song groups like Girl Crush, Laysha, Fly With Me and such girl dance groups seriously? The first two at least have one or two original songs, but all three dance to covers. Ironically, with very little covering them/their bodies (see what I did there?).
i've never actually watched a survival show but i did keep up with girls planet 999 bc of bahiyyih i saw and still see a lot of untapped potential in her so i wanted her to debut and thankfully she did it was pretty easy to become attached to the other 8 members too bc i already knew i liked them from watching fancams and performances i really do hope tho that's not only be my first survival show group but also my last bc i don't want to cry every 2.5 years bc my faves are disbanding honestly watching wiz*ones gives me a glimpse into the future and my heart breaks watching them talk about how iz*one could've been so much bigger if they had a 7 year contract and then there was that one fan who started crying while watching kep1er perform la ve en rose so yeah i'd like to only go through that once
SIXTEEN should have been appreciated more seeing as how it came first before Produce 101 and benefited a lot from Somi also appearing on that show. Sixteen also created Twice which because Nation's Girl Group, and many of it's other members have also debuted. Such as Chae Sisters, Jiwoo, etc. The point of these shows should be to launch everyone who appears and Sixteen did that the best.
It's closer then you think we have Boys Planet and My Teenage Boy early this year coming i think contesteants should be revealed soon and then I-LAND2 coming maybe in summer
Tbh I'd put Girls Planet 999 (Kep1er) on the A or even B tier. If the show aired/group debuted a mere 2 years ago, then it would probably be a different story. But the absolute tsunami of successful girl groups this year makes the compeition so stiff that I'd say Kep1er, although moderately popular, unfortunately got drowned out by monsters like IVE, Le Serrafim, Itsy, (G)IDLE, Aespa, and even veterans like Blackpink and Twice. It's unfortunate that groups that stem from a previous Mnet survival show (PD48/IZ*ONE) are now dimming Kep1er's light rather than passing the torch, but oh well. WakeOne, their management company, is also making really strange decisions that is hindering them from reaching their true potential. The solo stan/favoritism/mistreatment situation for Kep1er is also really polarizing within the fandom and is driving potential fans away and even causing people to unstan. Overall I'd say Kep1er would've been more of a smash hit if it weren't for unfortunate external circumstances. The group itself is fairly talented, but they were just dealt with bad cards imo.
Personally my favorite is TREASURE BOX just because I love the members and group of Treasure. But I do like how they gave a year before debuting to let Junghwan get a little older and to allow the members to form the relationship of a group rather than debuting them freshly as rivals mashed together. Plus the year gave us Treasure Map :)
I feel like it’s better if the resulting group isn’t temporary. Like the way JYPE’s survival shows have been. Also, tbh I don’t prefer fan voting as the method of choosing the final lineup.
