I Went Double Infinite with Elesh Norn | Brewer's Kitchen 

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I'm surprised that "Better known as SaffronOlive" doesn't have a special guest spot on this one, would have loved to see a game where you killed him with it 🤣.

Phil we were telling Seth adn Crim how we'd love to see more videos of you. sad we couldnt see you in Philly. keep up the great stuff!

You should have done the intro to the video twice!

Hey here’s a fun landfall deck on arena; Traverse the outlands on a beanstalk giant, ashaya, or cultivator colossus. It literally doubles your lands. Pair this with tat yoga Bethnic Druid and other landfall cards to get tons of value. You can add cards like tireless tracker, tireless provisioner, and Druid class.

Yeah the fact that you can't go to 1000 life automatically is dumb

It's probably a coding nightmare, but would drastically help the gameplay experience. A deck like this one is missing a whole part of its gameplan because of Arena's limitations

@@BrewersKitchen I remember a YuGiOh game on the gameboy (advance?) that knew when you assembled a specific loop that locked the enemy from playing the game and it had the AI opponent surrender rather than let the loop continue forever... or something like that- I know the game recognized the combo is what I'm saying. You might be able to just have MTG:A recognize "these specific cards create a loop that does X" rather than "X actions caused by Y cards create an infinite loop of Z"- it'd be easier to do the former than the latter. but I"m not a smart programmer guy so who knows if that's actually easier.

​@@firstnext5482 YGO player here! You're thinking of the Yata-Garasu lock, which the AI was in fact programmed to surrender if you pulled it off in the game(s?) where Yata was still legal. (Yata-Garasu prevents your opponent from drawing in their next draw phase when it deals damage to your opponent, but bounces itself in your end phase, so the lock just entailed emptying your opponent's hand and field then summoning and attacking with Yata every turn.) Yata-lock isn't technically a loop though, it's more of a lockdown strategy, and since it's only one card it's not too difficult to program in something to detect that, compared to looping interactions between 2 or more cards. Actually, it's really interesting looking at the concept of infinite loops in MTG compared to YGO. It's honestly kind of scary how MTG lets you play out a loop an arbitrary number of times by just declaring you're doing it, with specific rules on how to handle it, while in YGO if an infinite loop happens the card causing the loop (shoutout to Pole Position) is sent directly to the graveyard without the loop iterating at all. There was this one YGO clip I saw (I think it was DistantCoder) where someone was attempting a loop that they said wasn't technically infinite because each iteration required them to declare a card name. They tried to say "I name every card in YGO, three times each.", but because you can't really just declare a loop like that in YGO, the judge ruling basically boiled down to "Okay, start naming them." I don't exactly remember how that one turned out, but it was hilarious.

​@@Near_NihilMagic doesn't always let you just pick an arbitrary number though. An open loop is where you get to pick an arbitrary number and say it happens that many times because it's optional or at some point you reach an end-game state (enough damage, decked out, etc)- you're not actually in reality able to do it infinitely so it's easier to say "I do it a million times" because... yeah, you could do it a million times, but we aren't gonna sit here and watch you do it. Any open loop can stop once the loop reaches back 'round based on the player's decision to go 'round again. A closed loop is a loop that doesn't end the game (a token creates a token, which when that token enters the battlefield it creates a token, which when that token enters the battlefield it creates a token, so on and so on) where it just keeps happening infinitely without a decision being made- you can't just pick a number because it actually IS infinite. When you do this the game is a draw- good job, ya broke the game, no one wins. It sounds like Yugioh doesn't distinguish between the two. I don't know though.

Should have just taken the draw. Not the most satisfying way, but does the opponent really deserve to win because arena doesn't let the game work the way it's supposed to? If you're playing equipment beatdown without any sort of infinite/alt wincon, choosing not to concede when an infinite life loop is demonstrated is scummy.

It seems very strange that arena can detect a loop when it wants to force a draw, but not for player advantage... And by very strange I mean it's a joke. Another very fun video though. ;)

@@BobertJoe Infinite life doesn't necessarily mean you win. You could still lose by decking out, if nothing else. That said, yeah, I'd have taken the draw.

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IKR. The concede-as-soon-as-it's-obvious is very real on MTGA. Had the "attack with 45 creatures" quest the other day, fired up the elfball deck, and as soon as you assemble the ball they just concede before you can attack with it.

@@chapmanandchapmanproductio974 ? My comment is fine isn't it?

Probably r fans of the channel.

Arena should have the ability to present infinites but process the events instantly. I don't know what the code for this would look like but the way it would work is by making the loop in a vacuum like a bot match or something similar, once you present it in-game it'll prompt you to declare how many times to repeat the loop then do the calc for the result and give everything that would happen after repeating it that many times.

Same for me

He's also a pretty cool guy IRL :)

@@Tawnos_ 🤭 Oh stop it, you

I am only subed to this channel for Brewer's kitchen, I only rarely watch shorts by the others on the channel rarely, and haven't watched one of their videos since initially checking them out.

It's just like watching opponents play their spells into a Progress Tyrant, but arguably even funnier.

Same. Would love to have more videos involving him. Even if they're not the crazy combo videos.

@@baragon023 check out commander clash!

@DrSheriff would but I can't listen to the rollercoaster speak. The ups and downs in the inflection of his voice. It's a forced way to speak and done intentionally. It's too much for me. Can't listen to anything he's in. Grateful for their inclusion of Brewer's kitchen though.

@@baragon023 are you talking about tomer?

@DrSheriff don't know. It's just not Phil. I really only watch the BK content. Tried but get too hung up on the ups and downs of the voice tone. Won't take from those who enjoys the content, but its like nails on a chalkboard for me. My opinion. Do appreciate their impact on the community. Would love more Phil though.

Yeah had to go a bit deep since Felidar Guardian didn't make it on Arena 😅

Oh yeah it's made its way into so many of my decks, even in commander 😅

No question

They do

Yeah him and Mono Black, everyone else just plays the same optimized netdeck garbage

​@@NamelessFacelessWhoa Phil has that high quality jank performed impeccably with tasteful editing once a month, whereas Chris figures out a fun combo but then plays like a dingus every day. The duality of man.

Dang you're right I sould have tried this 😱

Just present an infinite loop and declare how much treasure, life, and cards you want to draw. The turns where you're not quite infinite but get hella triggers are going to be complicated though 🤣

@@BrewersKitchen If there is a way to counter this, wouldn't the person have to wait until you're done doing all the loops to activate their counter? Thus, you could theoretically prevent them from countering by just keeping the loop going until it's time to go home? Or worse, be the kid who put down Platinum Angel?

@@AC3handle Once you have established a loop you declare an arbitrary number of times it happens. This is called taking a shortcut. The only conditions are that game conditions can't determine parts of the loop(must be determinitic). If you have interaction against a loop you would declare it then and when you want to interact, in which case the shortcut has been shortened.

they should just make it so, that when arena detects a loop it asks you to do it an additional X times or so, and then you have to choose another action or a draw?

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@@ScorpioneOrzion That would make too much sense.