'I would want Michael Jordan every day' over LeBron - Stephen A. on the NBA GOAT debate | First Take 

Anytime you mean every day 😂😂😂

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LOL FACTS

It’s ridiculous we know everyone’s opinion, Stephen a smith always says MJ, Perk says Lebron and Max always brings up the Longevity vs Highest Peak Argument

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And it will never end. Because Lebron James is the closest thing to Michael Jordan we have ever seen

El Dio Lebron has surpassed MJ

@@MT-eo5vy MJ > Lebron

@Incredible Vern I mean he’s the closest in terms of greatness to Jordan not play style

@Incredible Vern Magic... KD plays like Bird

Good point plus he was in the aggressive days LeBron wouldn’t last

All time facts

@Benjamin Netanyahu LeBron is a great player because of his influence on other players, but Jordan had the mentality that LeBron will never have which makes him the GOAT.

@Benjamin Netanyahu Touché

0 IQ at its finest probably going to amount to being a rubbish cleaner

He said it as I read this comment 😂

LMAO! I love it when his brain can’t handle it either.

@ThreeCreators *1962/63 season: Prime Wilt Chamberlain won just 31 games and missed the Playoffs despite having 3 players from the Hall of Fame.* ( LOL ). If it was Michael Jordan, old crazy heads would crucify him.

@ThreeCreators Mj is so overrated man, people act like he is the most valuable player of all time, bird magic bill russell lebron were all more valuable to their teams than mj was, bird in his rookie year led the celtics to 60 wins I think, lebron led the cavs to 66 wins, look what happened when lebron left the cavs, and look what happened when mj left the bulls.

@@dynamic6645 if LeBron is more valuable, where’s the 6 championships to prove it

That time you mean, every week or 2?

Perkins acts like he lebron girlfriend you cant say anything against lebron he gets all upset,lol.

And JordanSexuals get mad when we say something bad about him!

@@MT-eo5vy ur a bronsexual lmao and it shows

Dude all the time! 😂🤦🏽‍♂️, So tired of it. I love Perk just trying to justify himself 😂😂😂

and if you think bron the goat you a brontard according to jordan fans

@@deshawnfilterfeed1212 nope. You're just wrong

@@jaasonjones4419 lol if you genuinely think jordan is a better player than bron you tripping

How? He achieved more in less time, he was better on both sides of the court and became the player with the highest ppg during one of the lowest scoring periods in NBA history.

@@jaasonjones4419 people now will never understand the greatness of Jordan because they never saw him(maybe at the end) and it’s hard for them to think someone was greater than Lebron.Brons great but the nba feared Mj and if you don’t believe it watch RU-vid and listen to other players said

Fans of opposing teams cheered for him as long as he scored 50 points, do his incredible hang time moves and beat their home teams.

That Bulls red away jersey was like the away crowds signal to show up and cheer for MJ.

*Bulls

Facts.. I went to see Michael against my Atlanta Hawks. 💯

Well true BB fans knew they were gonna see a great show and even perhaps see their team win. For the fans that was a win/win pretty much

Lol, this is what Michael jordan die hard fans would say

Nah max and stephen a saying can never is way dumber

Agreed

@@vinceguilliamalipio8338 Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ). *They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.* *Prime Lebron James lost to 38-years-old Tim Duncan in the 2014 Nba Finals.* 1991 Pistons: *Dennis Rodman HoF ( age 30 ) - 2x Defensive Player of the Year ( 1990 and 1991 ).* *Isiah Thomas HoF ( age 30 ) - All-star 1991.* *Joe Dumars HoF ( age 27 ) - All-star 1991.* However, Lebron fans claim the Pistons were old when Michael Jordan defeated them. Lebron fans always have a double standarts. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.

@@allanhouston6759 that’s 2014 spies team would beat that pistons team

Yeah me to man, me too!

He's a Lebron d rider that's how, have you noticed the amount of Lebron d riders on tv the last 3-yrs. The more they push he's better then MJ the more tv air time they get. Richard Jefferson, Rachel Nichols, Brian Windhorst and Nick Wrong is the perfect example yrs ago said KD was better then Lebron in detail via twitter, then deleted those tweets. Then became the biggest LeBron D rider then gets his own shown

Don't hate. If you can debate with player perspective you good so he straight.. plus he appeals to a different demographic

Hes a substitute of ryan hollins

Please give us someone who'd avg more pts than Perk please!

It was food poisoning

@@jordansanders9818 even worse lol

He was hungover Scottie Pippen said it himself real “goat” like, gambling addict too lmao at least Bron can say he’s a model citizen.

@@mcflurry1583 Bron model citizen. 😂 😂😂😂 Big moth princess Bron even put himself in trouble with the Chinese government. Shut up and dribble. 😂😂

actually, he would still get 6 chips, had he not retire

No it was cuz he was a gamble Addict

@@jodhveer6007 What rubbish. Lol. He has a competitive problem. Not a gambling problem.

He would of got 8 maybe 9 in a row if he did not let hakeem have a go. Mj was another level as a winner to anyone

Soo true hmif he never gets old hed still be doing 3 prats evry decade 😂

Steven A smith sus for that comment 🤣🤣🤣

SAS? More like SUS

AYOOOO

You're more annoying.

How

@@danielcho2698 how

@JACQUEZ JOHNSON lol whaaaaaaat 🤣

@JACQUEZ JOHNSON * bubble chip

He's still chasing 🤣

lebron left the cavs because he did not have a championship contender around him, mj was already given pippen grant john paxson bj armstrong phil jackson, mj didnt need to leave.

@@Amoun007 Mj still gave them 2 threepeat did he not?

@@Amoun007 He was ran out of Cleveland, and had to team up with 2 HOFer's then still lost the championship that season LMAO!!!

@@Amoun007 Excuses, excuses, excuses...he left to chase a ring

And Jordan helped build that team’s core, contributing towards the development of young players like Scottie & Horace. Lebron moves, recruits stars or suitable players that fit his system, then leaves when things get tough and repeats the process. I don’t recall any young player LBJ helped develop into an all star calibre player.

@@GoGetYourShinebox Mo williams. After the cavs stint he basically became 2nd/3rd string pg on other teams. Then there's jr smith. Went from trash in knicks to playing way better with the cavs.

@@fury_021 Yeah but lbj played when he was a 18. mj didn't do that. Had mj been playing since he was 18 like lbj it definitely wouldn't have been no 13 yrs. Can't blame el train for playing in the nba since he was 18 and capable of it. And who cares how fast it takes you to get rings. Thats like saying shaq is much better then kobe because shaq got his 4th ring sooner then kobe/lbj I find that hilarious as heck comparing how fast someone gets a ring. The end game is the total amount doesn't matter if you win it by an inch or a mile winning is winning.

Haha

He's as good a basketball analyst as he was a basketballer

Lmao

@@TeacherLegendary basketballer...?

Kendrick Perkins is a hypocrite

Gotta love Perkins

F Perkins he a hater that wouldn't survive basketball in the 80s and 90s

@@rubski-ds9yc but u would??? U deluded oldhead ya niggas is lame

There wasn’t talent back then compared to now

@Nigg Naps you take 30 years of Basketball and act like these guys have been in the league at one time

No it really doesn't lol

But retired like 3 times

He literally retired 3 times. He “load managed” like 5 seasons.

MJ never passed the ball to a ref by mistake. That ends the debate right there lol

John Stockton has 16 seasons in which he played all 82 games, Karl Malone has 17 seasons in which he played 80 or more games. Gary Payton- `13, Alex English- 13, Reggie Miller- 12, Terry Porter- 12. *Name a least one modern Nba player who played 10 full seasons ( or 80 games ).*

He did it in a watered down expansion era player's today are far more talented than back then even if it was more physical.

The degree of difficulty was higher for Jordan

@@ralphdadon3026 Yes.....According to you players talent in Nba decreased Xd. Better watch Kareem talking about new Nba Players and you gonna see.

@@ralphdadon3026 jordan is the goat, but this is absolutely false

@@theprodigy7002 where’s the variety of players today like the 90’s had? Where’s all the elite centers and big men for this era ?

🤣🤣🤣 at least let lebron get the chance to play a game

Nah its closer then ever right now.

@news flash yeah because nba brought sjw Woke politics to the sport league.

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@news flash I love Lebron as a basketball player, my favorite one too. But I hate him with all of his things off the court, like politics

Yeah also jordan never quit or gave up in a nba finals game or any game

@@robertwilson9528 omg more Lebron haters

@@SaiKhot tell me im wrong. The entire world saw it. Hes a quiter. Wants easy championships and little opposition. When it dosent go his way or the road gets hard he has checked out multiple games n plays for his stats so when he loses he can say i had a triple double or watever empty stat

@@robertwilson9528 tell me u don’t watch basketball wo telling me u don’t watch basketball

@@jolie7624 ok so prove to me my comment is not facts. Its mot hate against lebron its facts. The whole world saw how he quit n checked out in the playoffz this year. Did that not happen?

Kendrick Perkins is right on some points

Not*

He's still on his payroll u can't blame him

more like Lebron's bi*ch...

Lol that's LeKendrick Perkins for you!

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Facts

He's a television personality now... That's his shtick.

He loves Lebron dearly dont mock him for wearing his feelings on his sleeve

“Listen” “stop it” “come on” then proceeds to cry

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Kyle Lowry

Idk i think danny green is better than caruso but lebron isnt on their level

So kobe is the best because caruso gets his name from kobe🤔

Kobe is the greatest

agree lebron lost to many in the finals mj is 6-0! nuff said :)

@@oriondx72 he also lost 3 times in 1st round without Pippen

@@oriondx72 He got there though

@@filiperufino303 1988 ECFR: *JORDAN= 45-ppg FG-56%.* *Pippen =10-ppg FG-47%.* The Bulls in the second round thanks to the incredible performance of Michael Jordan. Scotte Pippen was a Rookie. By your logic, Larry Hughes carried Lebron James. Without Larry Hughes, Lebron James do not make the Playoffs in two years in a row. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.

@@filiperufino303 That first round argument is non sense 3 out of the 2 years MJ couldn't get out the first round he played a 60 win team then a 59 win team Celtics with 3-4 HOFers while MJ didn't even had help and yet Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the NBA stop it

Tf u smoking

5 chips on one team and 20 yrs on one team and not sitting out games....Kobe definitely

No way

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Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ). *They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.*

Jordan played against Ray Allen, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett too

And guys who would literally assault you on the court like Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn.

@@allanhouston6759 *Michael Jordan only dominated when celtics lakers pistons teams got old/injured and retired* Michael Jordan:"Hey larry, glad you retired, maybe I'll start winning some right now !" *Michael Jeffrey Jordan is so overrated.*

@@dynamic6645 shut up i hear the same “easier defense” all the time. It wasn’t easier. Its just that style has changed, along with mechanics and strategies for defending.

Great comment!

might be the most factual comment i’ve ever read💯

Great point!

😂true

he never beat larry bird in a playoff game, where does larry rank here?

A class by himself is true. A class of people with compulsive gambling addictions, God complexes, and an almost psychopathic need to be recogized as the best ever and forever to the point he greenlit a "documentary" about himself the day after LeBron won another chip just to remind people about himself

Most that pick Lebron never watched MJ. Figures.

I'm 52. Watched them both since high school. LeBron is CLEARLY the GOAT. Jordan never even made it to the Finals without Phil. Neither did Kobe. Phil elevated their legacies. LeBron has elevated multiple coaches legacies. Its not even close.

@@oroebuck if lebron is the Goat what happened in 2011 finals when he finished averaging 17.8ppg

@@leetraviusmckay2919 Being the only player...IN NBA HISTORY...with 38k/8k/8k, to average a trpl-dbl in the Finals and to lead 3 franchises to a title makes him the Greatest Of All-Time. It's about the body of work, not a single series. He's raised the bar for every Hall of Famer, statistically and with championships. And, his jersey will be retired by every team he's played for, as should happen to the GOAT.

I keep saying the same thing Jordan shoes tell it all. Nobody wearing lebron's

Lebrons shoes are pink lmao lmao lmao

And your go to thing is to click and watch.

I didn't care what he said

I thought about it but sadly I didn't.

Present...that dude house a mouth of noisy goose

I didnt. Was the best part.

It was moronic at its worst to be honest with you.

Jordan: You cant compare players in different eras

magic : if lebron gets 5 it’s hard to say he won’t be over taking jordan . this was 2 months ago . when lebron won your statement is a old one lol . please stop !

@TheRealist811 it’s the same thing . him being 5 is hard to say he isn’t over taking because he’s right there with him .

Booom

No more. There is the King now.

if he played today against these athletes who are better he would only get 4 rings

60 inch vertical MJ

@@Scrapeboxkid These athletes who have to dance around each other? Yeah, okay, sure. MJ would make fools of them with these rules.

@@SmilingJack65 I agree, todays nba players just look better because the rules help them a lot, it's easier to score these days because the rules favor the offensive players, you just drive to the basket and get fouled every time and easy 2 buckets

​@@Scrapeboxkid😂😂😂😂

Facts

This is a team achievement Mr. Lu T

Facts. This is as rare as them talking about the cowboys...

I know this is supposed to be sarcastic so idk why I’m writin this but before the bubble this summer it was all they talked about

On god smh

Agreed

@sincere Williams Like AI said they must’ve forgot 💯 In the 2000’s it was MJ vs Kobe. Now they act like Kobe was just alright lmao. Real hoopers know wassup.

@sincere Williams frfr they never bring Kobe up anymore, always lebron

*Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 19-11 ).* *Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).* Lebron James feasted in the weak East. Kobe and MJ didn"t have that luxury.

1 statistic demonstrates that Kobe-Lakers had tougher opponents than LeBron-Heat. Somebody: point out the YT videos that demonatrate the statistic. I saw 1 such video 2 weeks ago. Heat opponents were tough, but not as tough as Lakers opponents. On point! 🏀

@@WineSippingCowboy Lebron faced better competition in the finals than kobe 😵

Nah but LeBron ain’t better Than Kareem

Exactly 💯

@@dynamic6645 Competition was in the West

Lol

Amen !!!

mj fan spotted if mj didnt have 6 rings he wouldnt be in the discussion

*MJ never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals.* Prime Lebron James got outscored by 6"2 Jason Terry ( age 33 ) - who played less minutes per game.

Would Phil Jackson have needed Kobe if he had LeBron for 17 years?

Jordan never carried a team himself

That would be a sweep of the any team they play against.BRON is a goat but he has the weak mentality compare to MJ and Kobe.I think if BRON had Kobe mental then he would be the goat

@@jerrythealien9106 Check your facts.

Ur lame bro

@@pelicansfan8499 Thanks, bud!

@@pelicansfan8499 😂😂😂

Leshannon 🤣🤣🤣

Cash Nasty: Am I a joke to you?

Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, Toni Kokoc, Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, John Paxton, Stacey King, Craig Hodges

@@SaiKhot all good roleplayers, one star player in there in scottie pippen 👍🏼

@@RobboYT 3 star players excluding rodman

@@SaiKhot who? steve kerr? 😂😂

@@RobboYT no lol Grant Kukoc and Pippen 💀

Lol why cause you didn’t agree with him saying Lebron was the best?

He brings no value to the show at all its ridiculous

frrrrrrr

Your ok with max tho?

No kidding. lmao I’d rather listen to Paul Pierce.

Facts and Kobe also

💯factssss

@@Amigofix jordan, yeah? but Kobe? Nah.

Clearly you don’t have a clue about what he was saying. He talked about it’s a team sport, so rings shouldn’t mean as much when comparing players. No one can win a ring single handedly. He talks about individual accolades because when you compare 2 players, you should talk about they individual stats, not team awards or media awards

@@andrewmuragin5310 Perkins was all over the place😂

@@andrewmuragin5310 and Jordan still wins in individual accolades

@@andrewmuragin5310 that’s why we have final mvps; to highlight the individual that put in the most work toward their team accomplishment. Lebron fans are funny bunch with this lame “team accomplishment” excuse. Jordan has more FMVP then Lebron; which means he contributed to all of his team accomplishments. Go eat 💩 now.

@@andrewmuragin5310 So if LeBron matches or surpasses Jordan in rings, people wouldn’t use that as fuel? Years ago my theory was that since LeBron wasn’t winning as much the whole winning rings is a team accomplishment so it shouldn’t be a factor in greatness narrative was born, but let LeBron win some more and watch how they flip their stance on it.

Yep :) , Kobe was the closest thing to Jordan.

@Adel Masood Rahman he got every team he played on a chip. Unlike mj. Mj went to the wizards and didn’t even get them a winning record. So that already let’s you know that Lebron is more valuable. Mj isn’t versatile at all. And he had so many fake retirements it’s ridiculous. So face the facts and move on

@@kingchriistiian6757 this is the dumbest take ever lol, you do realize mj stopped playing for like a year or two then went to the wizards. Also mj did all his stuff in 14 seasons while lebron still hasn’t overcome him in stuff at 17. There’s levels to it and mj is ahead and it’s clear.

@@travisealy3512 mj with the fake retirements 🤣🤣 so cute

@Adel Masood Rahman 1-9;)

@Adel Masood Rahman lebron too doest change the fact his 1-9 lol

Overrated

@@mendez9870 underrated

GOAT

Biiiiggggg Booooty Kyyyyle Loooowrry

@Kyle Lowry You couldn't get pass me with the cavs

Thank you. Stupidest argument in the history of sports.

More points, rebounds, assists, blocks? The question is who is the better player? Not who had the better team.

🤦‍♂️Lebron has more points assist rebounds 3pt percentage field goal percentage everything besides rings ya niggas weren’t even alive to see Jordan play and you can’t say who’s better because Lebron never played against Jordan

@@PriestDaSensei those stats are relative to time played in the league tho. MJ has a higher ranking of rebounds and assists per position if you take out time played. And the 3pt % is a .2 difference over an entire career so you can’t give that to one person over another. He does have FG %.

Exactly💯 People say that MJ had a better team but yet they all say that MJ played with plumbers like bruh FOH😂

True, but they are rich enough as is 😂

@@davidcollins7195 True, but then again so is ESPN

*Lebron James lost to Dwight Howard in the 2009 Nba Finals.* Kobe Bryant defeated Dwight Howard in the 2009 Nba Finals. Kobe Bryant defeated Prime Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. *Prime Lebron James lost to Old Tim Duncan ( age 38 ) in the 2014 Nba Finals.* Kobe Bryant is better than Lebron James.

@@allanhouston6759 Everything u just said makes 0 sense 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. By that logic Kobe lost to that pistons team but Lebron beat it the year after, so Lebron > Kobe. I love kobe. Hes the second best sg ever, but hes below lebron. Imagine if a young lebron had prime shaw for 6 season? Would have been a wrap for the league. Lebrons accolades are better, better career averages more mvps, finals appearances ( Will possibly tie him for chips this year) and alot more

My love and respect for Kobe won't allow my fingers to type a rebuttal

@@ladlad3179 Lebron needed an All-star MVP by his side to win everytime. Every time he tried to do it by himself he got swept. Lebron set the game difficulty to easy mode on cruise control by trying to build super teams and he still has a negative Finals record.

@@supersmoothsailin6178 i mean lets not forget that Kobe had the second best Centre of all time on his team when he 3 peated, as well has a gasol averaging 20 and 10 a game while playing lockdown D, and a very deep bench which included all nba bynum and An arrest who could still give 15-20 a game. Everyone needs help to win chips. Be it lebron, mj or kobe

apparently so. Now we arr also ignoring all the losses too because thats inconvenient.

The main reason why mj is better than lebron isn't because of the rings but by the consistent level of dominance

Jordan never beat Larry bird 🐦

bill rusell 11 > 6 Robert horry 7>6

@@TheNyion912 what?? Dude, Jordan is better player than Bird, any time.

He had that aura that u couldnt beat him. I havent seen that in most players past or present. Hes like the ultimate videogame boss lol

Absolutely. And when have you eve heard anyone try to make the argument that the Buffalo Bills are one of the greatest all time NFL teams?

when did i play against lebron

u*

That’s what all mj fans say... the facts were handed to you, accept them

@@kingchriistiian6757 you think kendrick perkins speaks facts? Incredible lol

@@kingchriistiian6757 *All-Nba Players.* LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ): *East -58.* *West -147.* LOL. Lebron James feasted in the weak East. It is a Fact.

@@allanhouston6759 but he went to the finals and beat the warriors. Which was probably the best team pretty much ever besides Mj’s bulls. So he’s feasting regardless. And oh he went to the west. And feasted some more. So your point is?

@@blackstar0o3 Lebron is the goat. Stay mad.

I'd ask Lbj so stop

@@roarnightingale2238 u trippin

I’m asking for both all y’all sick lls both the Goat

@@learnlifetv7019 do you not understand GOAT mean Greatest Of All Time is how in the world they both the GOAT love LeBron too just Micheal better

@@lyndonjenkins8756 I’m not gonna argue or listen to ppl argue about two GOATS if you wanna believe that one is better than the others go head lol I’m not... 🙋🏾‍♂️

xD exactly, a savant with words

Lmaooo😂

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1991 nba finals and 1993 nba finals, john paxson saved mjs legacy by hitting clutch shots. 1997 nba finals game 6, the cold blooded michael jeffrey jordan passes the ball to steve kerr for a mid range shot, mj was afraid of double teams (although he scored through double teams in his career), so he let a role player take the last shot, with 5 seconds remaining jazz inbound the ball, scottie pippen steal and assists toni kukoc on a fastbreak dunk to win the championships, so in conclusion, john paxson steve kerr scottie pippen toni kukoc saved mjs legacy multiple times.

In my opinion Jordan is the greatest scorer to play basketball an average 30.1 ppg can't be argued with, neither is the fact that mjs 22.9 shot attempts per game is the 2nd most in history. I have him as a top 20 defender of all time although not a great low post defender. However, he's not the greatest player of all time as the media hypes him to be. The myth that MJ makes everybody better around him needs to be put to rest. MJ is a great individual player but his play doesn't boost the play of those around him like Bird or Magic did, the game is a team sport not a one on one game. Now your probably telling yourself how can MJ be overrated if he won 6 rings ? well yeah he won 6 rings but he won those 6 rings in the weakest competitive era of nba basketball. why were the 90s the weakest era in nba history ? expansion teams. from 1989 to 1996 6 new teams were added to the nba that watered down the league to its lowest talent level in history. its no accident that the bulls won 72 games at the height of the expansion league era in 1996,with the grizzlies and raptors checking in that year. If you think those bulls would have won 6 rings and 72 games in the 80s then you need to crack down the pipe and walk away please. For example if you take 23 ounces of whiskey and add 6 ounces of water to it does its strength remain the same ? no, does it get stonger ? No, does it become weaker, like the 90s NBA ? Of course it does. it isnt even that complicated. In 1971 the bucks won 66 games and in 1972 the lakers won 69 games after expansion teams were added. doesnt mean they are great teams, just less competition created by the expansion. During that time only 3 new teams were added. there were players starting for new teams in the 90s what wouldnt have even got a tryout for an 80s team. MJ himself was replaced by a CBA player, Pete Myers in 1994 and the bulls only dropped 2 games worse in the regular season that year. The competition was so bad during mjs last season in 1998, 5 teams in the NBA failed to win 20 or more games. You had: Toronto Raptors:16-66 Denver Nuggets:11-71 Vancouver Grizzlies:19-63 Golden State Warriors:19-63 Los Angeles Clippers:17-65 and we add in the Dallas Mavericks at 20-62, these teams were the worst teams ! The 1980s was a virtual cream of the crop hall of famers, Celtics had Bird Mchale Parish, sixers had Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Darryl Dawkins, Charles Barkley, Mo Cheeks and after they got through beating each other to death, they would have to face a rested Lakers team with Magic and Kareem who are arguably 2 of the top 5 greatest players of all time, on one team +worthy and Micheal Cooper who is one of the best and smartest defenders of all time. the Bulls faced none of this caliber, especially in the east where they cake walked to the finals every year but one with jordan. Let's take a look at the toughest teams MJ had to go through to earn his titles in the east. the 1990s Knicks had one hall of famer Patrick Ewing a great defender but never in the conversation about great offensive centers. that was about it, Ewing had a bunch of role players. Oakley, Rivers, Starks, Mark Jackson, Xavier Mcdaniel, Greg Anthony, Anthony Mason, none of these players are hall of famers. the 1990s Knicks were great on defense but their offense was always near the bottom of the league throughout the 1990s. The 1991 Pistons: that year the Pistons would have gave MJ and his Bulls a fight if Isiah Thomas had not broke his wrist, Thomas missed 32 games during the season and 1 game during the playoffs to do his broken wrist that affected him in the playoffs. During the 1990s the guards of the Celtics, the Pistons, the Lakers were old and injured, also affected by the expansion overtaken by the younger teams. clearly these were not the same caliber teams of the 1980s. the 1991 Celtics started the season 29-5 before Bird and later Mchale went down. was this because the 1991 Celtics were such a great team ? No, this Celtics team would have not competed in the 1980s. they got a 56-26 record despite injuries of Bird and Mchale because expansion teams boosted up their win column. If Bird and Mchale didnt go down with injuries they would have won the 1991 title. the 1991 championship was ripe for the taking because of the expansion teams. The Indiana Pacers: when your best player is a 3 point shooter that plays little defense, you know you aint gonna make much of a dent in the playoffs. Reggie Miller is an outside shooter, a hall of famer, Chris Mullin is also a hall of famer and an outside shooter but not a good defender. you can say this was a cake walk for the Bulls. The Cavs: there were no hall of famers and this was the same Cavs team that lost to the bulls in 1994 without MJ. The Magic: one of the few good teams MJ faced in the east. Shaq was a legit big man, grant was a great inside defender and rebounder, Hardaway was a very good guard before his injuries, they beat the Bulls in 1995. in 1996 Bulls faced the Magic again but this time Bulls had Rodman. Grant was fighting an elbow injury the entire playoffs. the Bulls again caught a break and the Magic are left without their best interior defender and 2nd leading rebounder. unfortunately for the Magic in 1996 Grant was injured in the 1st game and didnt play the remainder of the series. it was Shaq and Penny vs MJ Pippen Rodman, The Bulls won in 1996. Now MJ's competition in the finals: the 1991 Lakers were not even a little bit close to the 1980s Showtime Lakers. no Kareem arguably a top 5 player of all time, a huge presence in the low post, no Micheal Cooper who is considered by many the greatest defender in nba history, in their place there was Sam Perkins a 7 footer that played more behind the 3 point line than he did in the paint and he was a labeled as a soft defender in his career, he flopped and didnt play much defense. an intimidating front line, they were not. despite all this, Magic would have had a chance to beat the Bulls if James Worthy didnt suffer a high sprain ankle against the Blazers, Worthy no longer had quickness or lateral movement for the remainder of the playoffs, the injury affected him throughout the finals, Byron Scott also went down with an injury late in the finals against the Bulls and couldnt play in game 5, Worthy also missed game 5. so basically it was Bulls vs Magic and Magic put up a good fight than MJ would have put if the roles were reversed. 1992 : Blazers: they had one hall of famer: Clyde Drexler and umm... well yeah thats all they had, not much competition at all. blazers also had no inside presence to speak of, a recurring theme in mjs finals matchups, easy ring for mj. 1993:Pheonix Suns: Barkley is a great hofer but he only had KJ on his team, a decent player but no hofer, again no post defense on the suns. tallest player for them was Tom Chambers 6'10" one of the softest defenders of all time. this isnt even the best team barkley played on, the 1985 and 1986 sixers with Dr J, Malone, Cheeks, and Barkley would have wiped the floor with 1993 Bulls and Suns. 1990s teams sucked, the 1993 Suns may have won 62 games against the expansion league but they would struggle to a .500 record in the 80s. 1996 sonics they had hofer Gary Payton a great defender and good scorer, they also had Shawn Kemp a player that would show up fat and out of shape at summer camps. so the sonics had a good defender and a lazy underachiever. Sonics had no inside defensive presence. MJ is free to cake walk to the basket all series. Sonics won 64 games, but its easy to win that number of games in a chump expansion league, they wouldnt have hit .500 in 1986, can you say "no competition". 1997 Utah Jazz: many jockers point to the finals against the Jazz as evidence the Bulls would have beaten the 1980s teams. well in fact the Jazz did have 2 hall of famers: John Stockton and Karl Malone who are also 2 of the 50 greatest players in nba history. lets compare:we have Malone Stockton of the 1980s vs Malone Stockton of the 1990s, I'll call this one a draw. at the forward position jazz had thurl bailey a 6'11" powerful and quick forward. the 1990s Jazz had Bryon Russell who didnt even average double figures in ppg for his career. Bailey was a better scorer, better low post defender, better rebounder, averages more assists per game than Bryon Russell. Bailey wins hands down. at center the 1980s Jazz had Mark Eaton who is 7'4", the greatest shot blocker in the modern basketball era. Eaton once averaged 5.6 blocks per game in a single season still a record that stands. all time he averages 3.5 blocks per game wich is also a record that still stands today. the 1990s Jazz had Greg Ostertag, or maybe POSTERtag. the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed MJ and his Bulls. why ? because the 1980s Jazz wich mark Eaton in the lineup gave the 1980s Jordan fits. from 1985 to 1993 the Jazz with mark eaton were 9-7 against mjs Bulls. there would be no waltzing into the lane for MJ against Eaton and Bailey like he did to Ostertag and Bryon Russell. the 1987 Jazz took the LA Lakers to 7 games, you think the 1997 Jazz could do that ? the 1980s Jazz would have destroyed the 1990s Jazz. so we see again, a weak inside presence of the Utah Jazz wich gives MJ 2 more easy rings.

​@@dynamic6645 In 1991, the Bulls destroyed the Lakers so I don't see what you're talking about there. Lakers at best could have won 2 games that series. And sure Paxson hit the game winner against the Suns but even if they lost that game there would have been a game 7. Chicago beat the Suns the first 2 games at home, they could have still won game 7. Lebron always needed to stack his teams to win so I don't know why people always regard him as the greatest or second greatest ever. His legacy is nowhere as great as so many of the other greatest to play. His 2 Heat championships are a joke since he had 2 other all stars on the one championship & for the other he had 2 all stars plus the greatest 3 point shooter of all time at that point in time on his team. He also choked bad against the Mavericks which right then automatically never allowed him to be the greatest ever. Than he won against the Warriors due to some bs Draymond Green suspension. Warriors likely would have won in 5 games that series. Than the lame bubble championship was the other one. Jordan's record is almost completely clean in terms of his legacy. The only two knocks I hold against him is that he shouldn't of retired 3 different times & he should have beat the Pistons in 1990. Lebron is one of the greatest individual players of all time but there's way too many things you can hold against him in terms of his legacy for him to ever be the greatest.

He was injured lmao next season they won a ring

@@SupaDupaNate with a top 5 player in the game mj never had that pippen might be top 10 but not top 5 and they have a another guy who is just top 30 so the best player in the league with a top 5 player and better supporting cast is better than the team with the best player in the league and a top 10 player and a top 30 player and worse supporting cast and yet the so called "worst team that ever made the finals" still beat the best player in the league and another top 5 player twice mj would never let that happen

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Tell bron meat suckers that they act like he god😂

@@DogIn1993 y’all Jordan fans act like Jordan played 6 season an he’s a god

wait a minute. so to not be a LeBron hater, I have to love him? I personally DON'T LIKE HIM and I have on-the-court (flopping, boring (but extremely intelligent) playstyle, crying to refs) and off-the-court (cherry-picking social justice activities, calling himself the goat, joining or creating superteams, supporting potential human rights violation before proper research, which ends up being funny) reasons for that. That does not mean that I do not, objectively, put him as the 2nd greatest to ever touch the basketball. Am I a hater according to you/your definition?

@@bartphilips2222 no the only person I can understand saying better then Lebron is Jordan I think ole goat James better tho that’s just me and why do u say creating super team this isn’t the 80 people wanna play with other good people

@@Jdub3amigo on one hand - you're right, on the other - he's had a special status since the day he was drafted, which means he can be more efficient in forming these "superteams" or joining them. if you add the huge help he gets from the league management (refs decisions, other weird situations like draymonds suspension) you end up with a very sad picture. in my humble opinion he's great, he's 2nd, but he's also been carried, not only by his teammates.

“What should we talk about”.

@Bill Pap. I understand too, that’s why I’m correcting. He’s using 1 person and 3 person for his statement.

Not always LOL

Your opinion

Yup smh

i still got kobe over bron

@@kevinmeadows6580 he isnt all time

agreed, I will go with robert horry 7-0 over michael jordan 6-0 anyday

Soooooo true

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Or Lavar

russ the goat tho

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Because you know triple doubles. It’s crazy that Westbrook is second for most triple doubles.

Nah Jordan and Kobe are at both ends with Jordan in the Throne Chair. Lebron is sitting in a side seat.

@@randychristian2250 lmao u good lbj better then kobe we can have this debate

Love Kobe but lebron is better and Jordan is the Goat plain and simple

@@bryanlopez4994 thank you your actually smart