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First you can’t find it at that price, second r5 3600 came out a long time ago, third have fun buying new main and more expensive ram to get 5 percent better fps
It's slower than 3600 if you are not going with z490 because of memory limitations. And there is no point going with a expensive mobo if you cant even overclock this thing. There is not a single reason to buy this over a 3600.
this comment is dumb, first it starts with the being a fanboy,second thinking that this test was valid lmao pair a B450+R5 3600 and compare that to a Z490+10400 do the math
Lol 3600 build with mboard prolly cost $280 with cooler included. While 10400f would be around $480 overall along proper board and cooler. We haven't included gpu, psu, case, ram, etc. Would you spend 200$ more only to get roughly 10-15 better fps in mid range build? In summary, only fools build 10400f today
Core i7 extreme series is like a joke to you or what? They released a core i7 980x 6c/12t on the early 2010. But it was not made for gaming intentions you were good enough to run most games at that time with 2c/4t
@@someguywithmtndew5691 extreme series? Well, we're on different leagues since I live in LATAM I can't afford that but new Intel gen was affordable now that is lacking of stock is not so affordable.
@@someguywithmtndew5691 when the i7 980x released it wasnt uncommon for someoene to use that platform (lga1336) for their gaming pc, its just that the i7 920 was more popular because the 980 was overkill. Also it was 10 11 years ago so i think a budget gamer could afford something that old
good JOB intel, intel forced amd to manufacture the ryzen IN 2017, and amd forced intel to move in 2020, imagine you have an i7 8700 (i5 10400f) for less than $ 200, this is the competition
psykosonikwarrior PCIE 3.0 is not even close to being fully utilized. PCIE 4.0 is a gimmick to sell consoles. Nobody buys an X570 unless they are using a 3950x anyways.
I was an Intel user for my entire life until 2019, now I switched to AMD because they have done a big favor to consumer benefits. Now don't call me an AMD fan because I used Intel for 11 years ever since my 1st computer/laptop(Intel Core2 Duo). when I was 14. Without AMD we PROBABLY still using quad core in our pc right now. Now that Intel forced to step up their core counts, I hope these two companies keep on racing so they can continue unlocking new possibilities in cpu industry. Just imagine the possibilities of the future both in gaming and productivity side. I hope this will never stop just like when Intel got the total upper hand before and AMD not doing the same thing Intel did(imo they just being lazy because of too comfortable from AMD struggles). Now that I'm getting old(not that 25 considered that old, but you know what I mean), I hope I get to experiences all the cool tech coming near the future. edit: didn't notice I write an essay, I'm copying this comment for future..lol
I just wish intel would get their butt off of 14 nm so they could get back in the game. I used to have so much respect for them but ever since they killed Moore’s law I’ve put my faith in amd.
@@splinterun9005 yeah man, I hope they did. Just heard rumors about the new stock cpu cooler. They realize they can't stay like what they were before. If they did get off from 14nm, it's gonna be great and AMD need to come out with smthg even greater to compete with that as a result we gonna get a greater cpus(and gpus), that's all that matters. Can't wait.
@@splinterun9005 they will get off 14nm in like 2021 or 2022 according to many reports because they can still fight amd's 7nm until then. intel at 7nm would literally be a total beast
@@edward3709 rumors suggest 5nm for Zen3 but if I'm beein honest this will not happen. TSMCs 5nm node is expected to come into mass production in Q4 this year
Ur kinda dumb for being a intel fan boy for 11 years id say amd's best years are behind them 11 years ago but now they're kind of being sellouts and mainstream and it's pathetic right now I would have never gotten amd now is the time to be an intel fan boy look at how little intel is trying and they're still beating AMD and look at how desperate AMD is pushing out CPUs and marketing them and still not being better than Intel
Thank you. Was looking into a new intel cpu until I ran into that stuttering mess called the 9400f. That really turned me off the idea. Hopefully this is a much more stable option @ a great price for a 10th gen.
It's worth mentioning if you read the description he's running a z490 board (£140+) with 3600hz ram, this is an unlikely pairing with a budget cpu like this & the lower end cheaper boards (B460M) are locked @ 2666mz which will change these fps results by quite a bit. I do like the 10400f a lot and was quite tempted to go this route but in the end with the cost of the motherboards for intel the price starts to even out once again making the option locked Intel platform vs unlocked AMD platform & having the option to upgrade to an even better cpu when prices drop in a year or 2. 3600 still gets my vote!
As of June 2021, the prices of these cpu's in my country are: i5 10400F: 145 USD Ryzen 5 3600: 220 USD 10400F + Mobo bundle: 288 USD Ryzen 5 3600 + Mobo bundle: 325 USD
Point to note, he is running a 10400f on a z490 board thus enabling 3600 mhxz ram, the story is quite diff with 2666 mhz, which is the max on b460 unlike b450 which can handle 3600 mhz, watch gamersnexus' video on it, if you are goign z490 you shouldn't go with a 10400f but a 10600k.
@@prostylenoob4574 well did you check the video I said. Even back in the 4 core i5 days digital foundry made videos showing how ram clocks helped fps numbers in cpu bound scenarios with intel, amd processors weren't even competing then. Now gamernexus made a video with the processor's review, they make one of the most thorough reviews.
@@prostylenoob4574 I personally can't, maybe u can place a request on the gamersnexus channel,we don't know yet.shouldn't forget tighter timings help ryzen as well. Even here in the best case scenario, its pretty much trading blows and worse.productivity performance and no upgrade patch, my choice would be ryzen.
Here in Germany the 3600 is about 220€ which is a price that's just too high for this processor. i5 10400f is about 150€ and has better gaming performance. I'm going Intel this time.
Great tests, matches ours perfectly, despite criticism we received on our all core 4ghz / 3.7ghz cache/uncore simulation on the 8700k. We all know it is the same IPC and the games tested have verified to stick to all core boost (no thermal boost velocity on this CPU). The only test we excluded was CS GO as it tends to lean more towards single threads and moves around on the turbo table.
Can anyone help me to chose? In my country the ryzen 5 3600 is 182.90 and the i5 10400f is 178.90. Btw the motherboards is the same price... Which one should i pick :/ , i usually play a lot and sometimes i make editing and things like that, so both productivity and games is important to me.
In my country it's like Thai for a long time (thos prices vary from retailer), most used store is Alza and its: 10400f 145$ 11400f 166$ Rszen 3600 192$ So...i take a 10400f and still have enough for 2x8gb 3000/3200mhz or 500gb NVME or psu or cheaper board or a case or cooler... Basically anything except the card 😉
I support any brand as long as they offer some impresive price to performance stuff,at first AMD but now 10th gen intel seems interesting,but still curious about the ryzen 4000th series on desktop.because the mobile ver is just too good to be true
comparison be like: Intel Celeron vs AMD Athlon GPU : RTX 2080ti x 2 RAM : 64GB 4600mhz Mobo : (insert high end mobo here) Could you somewhat be more realistic?
@@rentojad yeah intel's gonna run slower on those boards, but just a bit below Ryzen 5 3600 on 3600Mhz. So you have a cheap proc, with a cheap motherboard( i hope so) and a cheaper RAM.
Critical Error The CPU is under water. Normal temps are ridiculously high. This specific CPU draws 350 under load while the 3600 draws a max of 150. Source: BitWit Kyle
@@RealPlasmodium None of these cpus consume 350 watts dude. Maybe the i9s and ONLY under full load at 5.3ghz or more...which is stupid because at 5ghz it will consume at least a 100 watts less. For the last 2-300 mhz overclock you always have to apply more volts, it does not scale in a linear fashion.
ReNeGaDe Productions Bitwit corrected his review, it draws 170~ watts. For some reason he was getting 350 watts on intel. Check the pinned comment on his video
Just remember that this is the 10400f with 3600mhz ram. You're gonna lose performance on a price conscious b460 platform where its limited to 2666mhz. Tests have shown that the cpus are basically equivalent performance when you take that into account.
@@gasviation9077 for faster ram on intel, you also need the z490 mobo. And z490 is expensive. That is the main problem. On the other hand, even cheap b450 amd mobo's support 3600mhz ram.
Если есть материнка на AM4, то смысл идти покупать Comet Lake (переделку SkyLake) стремится к нулю, так как сборка на 10400F и B460 будет намного дороже 3600 и B450, поэтому в топку интел, и ждём 4 поколение.Тем более, IPC у 4000 райзенов будет выше.
I was sad that I didn't go for the 10400f over the 3600 a few months ago but then yesterday AMD said that you'll be able to drop a 5000 series chip into a b550 motherboard without so much as a bios update and now i'm happy again. Thats a luxury that intel won't give you (there are also about 20 others as we all know)
@@jamesdavey8675 said that you'll be able to drop a 5000 series chip into a b550 motherboard without so much as a bios update . you meant b450 . b550 doesnt need anything. we saying the same thing
lol don't cry ffs you can easily pair a 2080 ti with that in 1440p and be gpu bound for 5 years, you also got an upgrade path when the 9900k drops a lot in price in a couple of years,
for a z490 they start at $149.. you cant even find an amd motherboard in stock anywhere.. well at least one worth considering. you can also go with a b460 that start at $65.. but I wouldn't use that either.
Can anyone help me to chose? In my country the ryzen 5 3600 is 182.90 and the i5 10400f is 178.90. Btw the motherboards is the same price... Which one should i pick :/ , i usually play a lot and sometimes i make editing and things like that, so both productivity and games is important to me.
@@tiagovieira4492 if you can get a decent z490 and some 3200 or better ddr4, the 10400f would be better at gaming. if you need more performance in things like video encoding, the 3600 would be better. both will have an upgrade path to their next gen counterparts.
@@rozzbourn3653 The thing is that, i dont have the money for that, motherboards i was just about o to spend 85 in max, and on memory i was going with 2x8gb 2666 or 3000, 1 ssd, 500w, and a rx580(then i would upgrade the graphics card)
Need help, im stuck on buying a pre-built pc a 10400F w/ 1650S ( 512 gt M.2 NVMe ) or a R5 3600 w/ 1650s ( 256 SSD ). Which one should i take?. Edit: Btw they are for recording/youtube/gaming/streaming and they are both 649€ (yes in europe)
@@kevinyoliveira68 It won't help them much since even with a 200mhz higher frequency AMD is still trailing by 5-10% depending on the game. It's the latency that's fucking up their gaming benchmarks. Look at the 3300x it's an absolute beast in gaming due to lower latency compared to other amd cpu's
If Intel's cheap MB supported 3200mhz ram, 10400f would have a great value, probably the best cpu value. I don't know why Intel has trouble with thier motherboard's ram speeds.
I mean, i've got the processor and 16gb of ram, but i'm still using a 960, and I gotta say, they both stay pretty cool with a case with 2 fans, one for cpu and one for venting.
10400 is a good CPU for its money. The problem is it was released one year later than it should have. If Intel made 9400f with HT, it wouldn't get so much hatred. But they stuck with their model for too long to make a quick decision. So in retail 10400 is from $195 to $220 while Ryzen 3600 can hit $180 soon. But the biggest problem for Intel is Zen 3 which comes later this year. Ryzen 4600 and 4700x that I can take and put in my B450 Max mainboard is a super attractive deal in comparison with Intel's B460. Even 9th gen owners will have to change their mainboards if they want to upgrade while AMD owners won't. That's the problem. If Zen 3 gets us as much performance boost to Zen 2 as Zen 2 got over Zen+, Intel is gonna be as good as dead. If AMD fucks up, then maybe not.
You can't simply judge the power of a processer by only counting the cores and threads. Ryzen 3 3300x had only 4cores and 8threads but it even slightly outperforms the ryzen 5 2400 which has 6cores and 12threads.
Wow intel surprised me actually (tho amd brought the competition up) but the real question will it hold up against the 4th gen ryzen cpus? Idk actually, I'll wait the 10400f looks like a damn solid deal. But the problem it's not unlocked for overclocking, sucks, I'd like to see a comparison of and overclocked 3600 vs 10400f this would be such a solid comparison!!
people are gonna be so dissapointed when they find out that to get this kind of performance they need a Z490 board because its the only board you can run with memory higher than 2666 which is what the cheap B and H intel boards will normally use. 3600mhz memory in this benchmark compared to 2666 is a 15-20% performance drop. I dont know where the hell you get your pricing from but R5 3600 is going for $160 at microcenter, and $172 on newegg
@Anton Babani did you like..purposely skipped over my second suggestion of newegg? Newegg and amazon has it for $167 at this moment And if the 3600 is more expensive outside america, the 10400 will be even more expensive lol so i dont know what your complaint is
@Anton Babani so you are complaining he didnt put pricing according to your country? Makes no sense as R5 3600 will be comparable in price or probably cheaper and more available in most countries. And you are so conscious about your budget then good look buying a Z490 motherboard that will cost the same or even more than the 10400F you will be pairing it with lmao.
@Anton Babani actually, at the moment the 10400F is not the best buy as you would have to pair it with a Z490 motherboard to go for more than 2666 mhz on ram, wich makes no sense to pair a 180-200$ cpu with a similarly priced motherboard, in that case you are better off buying a 3700X and a 100$ B450 motherboard and you get way better perfomance and more future proof. If you are stuck with a lower chipset motherboard for the 10400F and 2666 mhz on ram, the 10400F performance gets a considerable hit. There is a video of gamers nexus where he explains this and says the 10400F is not a good value for this exact reason. If in the near future they release cheaper motherboards that can go past 2666 mhz then you can make an argument for the 10400F, but I dont think it is an appealing option right now.
@Anton Babani bruh you complained about microcenter not being available everywhere to take advantage of its price. Its not my problem with that. It is what it is if ever is available to you is pricey. Thats the way shit goes
I just got the Ryzen 5 3600. I tried both Intel and AMD in Newegg, the Intel costs like $100+ more with a small FPS advantage in games. I spent the $100 I saved and bought 2 x 512GB SSDs on sale!
@@Daeyae Bruh in my country even Cpus are weird right now i5 10400f is 170€ while r5 3600 is about 230€ for 20€ more u can get 3600x and for 320€ 5600xt while i5 11400f is like 240€ . So intel here is much better buy.
@@pc-broke8348 why the fuck some people talk shit without knowing anything? is does make a difference dummy same for that Volne dude you can't run 3600Mhz ram on B or H motherboards dummy so the performance will be handicapped on the locked intel CPUs using B460 or H490 or whatever they gonna call their non Z motherboards do some fucking research before spilling shit behind you go check GN he did a great video showing how RAM speeds can effect the locked intel SKUs pairing a locked i5 with a Z490 sound dumb and against the soul purpose of buying a locked chip, to SAVE MONEY
if you have the money to buy the whole PC I would say buy whatever you can buy right now. If you don't have the money to buy all the hardware, wait till you can buy all of it. There will always be the next gen, you can keep waiting for 15400F and whatever AMD will have in 5 years or buy what your money can buy right now. The only person I would say wait till september/october is the one that's buying a r9/i9 with RTX 2080 Super/ti, because big navi and Ampere XX70/80 is supposed to release at that time. If that's not the case, buy right now and be happy with your new hardware
@@h0llyn1gga b450 will support the 4th generation of ryzen www.pcgamesn.com/amd/zen-3-b550-x570-chipset-support Edit: Support is still not sure, but tests are being made www.anandtech.com/show/15807/amd-to-support-zen-3-and-ryzen-4000-cpus-on-b450-and-x470-motherboards
Yea the intel chip other than upgrade path is a really good budget option now. But hard to beat ryzens path. I had a 1700x and swaped out for a 3600 on my og asus x370 with no issues just bios update.
Yes, for gaming. You cannot immediately draw conclusions in price to performance with only benchmark games. I bought a Core i5 10400f 2 months ago, and I borrowed a ryzen 3600 from my friend. And I think ryzen is better
As soon as we get new motherboards for the Intel in the 60-80€ range. It will be competitive. Anyway AMD is launching the XT version of the 3600. So we should see a price drop in the 3600 and X.
Yep and that'll take a while. Those motherboards will be 2666 MHZ ram only too so they're shit, useless cpu. You have to get expensive unreliable z490 motherboards to run above 2666 MHZ lmao. So the 10400 sucks because you to buy cheap z490 at 160 or good one at 190, terrible
@@roboticvenom1935 its still pretty good for the price,even if you pair it with a very cheap h410 motherboard that can only use 2666mhz ram, fps only gets reduced by 8-10, temps are also very good
@@lDARKH3ARTl How?? It's not good for the price it's like the same as the 3600 and you don't get an unbearable stock cooler. Have you seen the stock cooler? Makes any build look like garbage. 2666MHZ means the 3600 competes with it in games and EASILY beats it in editing, rendering, and high core/threaded tasks. if it doesn't win in gaming it's a shit cpu, like all intel cpu's all they have is gaming. So this is a trash CPU don't know how you could say it's good for the price. Also that means you're left with slow 2666MHZ ram which is way less future proof then the 3200 or 3600mhz ram you'd get with ryzen, hot garbage.
@@roboticvenom1935 im using it right now, also the difference in performance between 3600mhz and 2666mhz isnt that much, sure it loses out a little bit, but for the overall price with an h410 board its worht it. stock coolers is also fine on this one also r5 3600 is 210 dollars and the 10400f is only 179 here in phillipines, the price gap is huge atleast on my area
@@lDARKH3ARTl Well yeah, you're in the Philippines that country isn't really talked about at all ofc. We focus on the countries that 90% of people are from, Europe, USA, and some Korea/China/Japan. In the US the 3600 is around 180$ which is the same price. you can't say the price is worth it, the 10400 literally sucks. It only works for you because you're in one specific area in the Philippines lol not many PC people are from there. That's because it is an intel system, ryzen does way better with fast ram. And with the faster ram which is dirt cheap 3200MHZ the ryzen is actually faster in most games vs the 10400 which makes it trash because the 3600 destroys it in multi-tasking, streaming and editing and such and doesn't have an abysmal stock cooler. Oh, you can also overclock, unlike garbage intel who artificially limits the 10400 from being overclocked to screw poorer people because they can't afford the unlocked K processors. The 3600 has more upgradability too, ryzen boards are cheaper with more features.
My main pc has a Ryzen 5 3600 installed on a X570 motherboard along with a 5700XT. I own this machine for 15 months now. Nice, fast and capable machine. Couple weeks ago I build a PC with an i5 10400F installed on a H410 motherboard along with a Vega 56 graphics card. I'm an AMD guy, but I'm not gonna lie, imma be completely honest. But the i5 system runs my favorite game on 1440p smoother than my Ryzen 5 system. Idk know why, but comparing the two system, the i5 with Vega 56 runs so smooth, with no stutter at all, while my Ryzen 5 with 5700XT runs it crappier with stuttering. Not particularly lagging, but stuttering.
Can anyone help me to chose? In my country the ryzen 5 3600 is 182.90 and the i5 10400f is 178.90. Btw the motherboards is the same price... Which one should i pick :/ , i usually play a lot and sometimes i make editing and things like that, so both productivity and games is important to me.
You know what will be funny, ryzen 4000 since it’s gonna kill intel off. This performance is basically 9th gen with better temps but ryzen 4th gen is supposed to be about 40% faster than 3000 which will just embarrass intel. What a rare find though don’t see to many intel fan boys still grasping to hold onto their pride. Ryzen 4000 will make you extinct! But hey maybe intel 11th gen will be good right? Maybe by the time and is on 5nm intel will be on 7 or 14+++++++++++ we will see all I know is it’s easy for intel to be beating a almost 2 year old generation of CPU’s with their new ones but they are just barely winning they fucked up this was their chance to make new CPU’s not the same ones with better temps and they fumbled it and ryzen 4 will make a absolute fool out of them and I really think it will be tuff for them to get the thrown back after october
and we are on 7nm difference right ? also to the people bellow you can wait 1 month to get the 10400f at 160$ , forget about getting it now at this price and its not about intel is about the stores that pushing the prices in order to lure the people who cant wait.
Good luck finding the 10400 for 160€ lol, more like 200€+, more expensive than 3600 (which is 170€). Also, unless you buy 200€ z490 motherboard you`ll be forced to use 2666 MHz on you RAM so dont expect performance as is in this vid. And buying such expensive board for budget chip makes no sense.
pretty sure the new b460 support 2933mhz ram + you've gotta keep in mind Intel isn't as RAM speed/ latency dependent as AMD so you'll still get pretty good performance. Though I still agree the ryzen is the better buy.
It's not really cheaper, the cooler box is so bad that you need to buy another one, also you can't overclock it. Price performance is still better on the Ryzen.
Два отличных процессора, если бы брал сейчас, то взял бы интел, но в декабре взял 3600 за 12 тысяч и более чем доволен. По поводу сравнения, стоит учитывать, что 10400 чаще всего будут ставить с бюджетными мат. платами и возможности разогнать оперативку до 3600 не будет, за счет чего амд сильно приблизится в играх.
Gamers Nexus did a really good video comparing these and other processors with various RAM timings and speeds in really good detail that really demonstrates just how strong the Ryzen 3600 is compared to the new Intel line up. I like these benchmark videos but there is way more to this story in the end.
@@totowiranta6353 weird i just checked in store and says its included, i even saw test "Intel's i5-10400 - Can it BEAT AMD's Ryzen 5 3600? " and intel has 77 and ryzen 95 temperatures on stock cooler so why are you spreading misinformation ?
bruh, what crack u on, the 3600 beats the 9400f any day, but loses to the 10400f, got to give it to intel here. but then again z490 is hella expensive os they lost in that section.
@@fizzkhas6653 depends which comparison you are watching check these out for example ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gfNZzO5mYmA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iHa18PDfSc4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-U6hdZTLTf0c.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8vCfYaK8Fn4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uoIG1vFfGpA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Th3WUcRgaLs.html in these gaming benchmark i5 9400f won against ryzen 3600
I have been Building / Upgrading and Repairing Computers for over 25 years. Today when I was trying to swap the CPU Cooler on an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 / MSI B550M Pro Motherboard...I pulled the CPU out of it's Socket !.....Never in 25 years has this happened !...Going back to INTEL until AMD changes it's CPU Hold Down Unit !
@@vickygupta3922 bro i5 9400f acha cpu hai.bro main bhi i3 cpu ko dec2019 me sell kiya tha aur intel 10th generation ka cpu ka wait karn lega.lakin pc ke bina time pass nhi ho rha tha to main lockdown se 15din pahle le liya.abhi pc nhi hota to peta nhi lockdown me kya halat ho jati meri.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
