The Tories should have lost every seat in the country. That they came second is a testimony to how poorly informed a vast proportion of the country are.
@@amcdonald7479 First past the post has been the way of things for many decades now. It's funny that each outgoing party only complain about the voting system when they've been kicked out of office. The Lib Dems had their chance to change things when they were part of the coalition government, as did the Tories in 2015, 2017 and 2019. None of them bothered, instead they set about the boundaries of the various constituencies in their attempt to favour themselves. Nobody gained 'crazy number of seats' with a fraction of the vote. In each constituency, the people voted for their reprsentitive in Parliament. The MP that got the most votes won the seat. That's the system. If we moved to PR we would end up with a parliament similar to that in Strasbourg where no one party has overall control, so no real progress can ever be made.
They lost every tory seat in Wales ... they had 12 and Labour had 18. Now Labour have 27 and the Tories have zero. (Unfortunately Jeremy Punt kept his new seat - just - but at least Rees-Mogg is unemployed.)
Sunak realised that there’s no point in saving people who are unknowingly out of hate digging their own graves! Now in comes ‘poor Afghan, Syria and Iran immigrant’ sympathisers ! Rest of all can leave for Rwanda ! You all have just burned your own house fearing a caged rat unfortunately !
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="146">2:26</a> Andrew Marr: "Does that undermine Keir Starmer's credibility and authority...?" I don't remember the media questioning Boris Johnson's credibility and authority when the Conservatives won 365 seats in 2019.
@@yyy-875 He got about 4% more vote share, still well below 50% of the electorate. People over state how well Boris did all the time. Under a fair voting system we wouldn't of had a Tory government for the last 14 years.
So naive.....enjoy labour's last few years in charge....starmer will do to labour what sunak done to the cons and uk politics will move ro the right again.
@eKko0 nope. Labour have been a shambles since corbyn, tories implosion has taken attention away from that. Labour will end their run in power the same as the tories are now....collapsed vote, they don't realise or care that they are just a protest vote.
I personally didn't feel Reform would win 10 seats. In the end they won 4, with Nigel Farage becoming an MP. Given the state the nation is in, few people would be willing to put their trust in Reform, a political party with absolutely no track record. And so it was. Of course, now he has become an MP, we'll hear Nigel Farage sounding off like never before.
As much as I agree with you mate about the Tories the skeletons will soon be out the Labour cupboard: remember the expenses scandal under Labour the last time they were in…all people are equal but some are more equal than others…springs to mind.
It's easier to hide behind 50 scandals than one. I might not be the biggest fan of this version of labour but the relief I feel from the public finally holding the Tory party to account and ousting them is real. Need sensible boring functioning politics again
Tory plan was always get you immune to their total disasters by getting you to believe the other side was just the same, when that’s patently not true as was already listed above. Some people will always vote / sympathise with Tories even while burying their nearest and dearest unnecessarily from the latest Tory disaster!
14 years of malfeasance, corruption, under investment in public services, austerity, the erosion of civil liberties, economic incompetence, and outright bonkers right-wing policies has finally had time called on it all. Thank goodness for that! Let's hope that Labour uses its huge majority to push through big and positive changes. This country desperately needs it.
Be careful what you wish for! I'll see you back here in 2029 fascinated for your next comment no doubt ending in ... and outright bonkers left-wing policies.
It is the 6th largest economy in the world and the 2nd largest in Europe in terms of GDP...wheres the economic incompetence? Beginning of COVID, Sunak cleared all NHS trust debt.....kinda ignored that right? Austerity, we had just come out of the 2010 collapse and needed to bail out the banks, then Covid hit and gave us another trillion £ on our debt.... What right wing policies? Please name them. AND NO IM NOT A TORY !!
To paraphrase you not forgetting the previous 13 years of Labour malfeasance, corruption, under investment in public services, austerity, the erosion of civil liberties, economic incompetence, and outright bonkers left-wing policies has finally had time called on it all.
With what money? Do you know how much the government has to borrow each year just to pay for current public services and welfare? And do you know yearly interest repayments? (Hint: the NHS budget is £180 billion. Defence is £54 billion. Education is £118. Debt repayment...£122 billion. Let that sink in). And considering we pay more tax now than since WW2, there's only one thing to do if you want more welfare and public spending...
Decimated is bit of an undersell. Decimation was when a Roman Legion was reduced by 1/10, where 9 men would beat the 10th to death, usually for desertion in battle. The Tories have lost about 2/3s of their seats from 2019.
I once saw that someone had vomited their post-pub curry & chips on top of a dog poo on the high street. Even that pavement was in a better state than the Tory party
They were mostly given air time, to smear them. You’re just annoyed it’s back fired. Love them or hate them, they are comfortably the 3rd biggest party by vote share.
Why have you assumed that their vote was due to excess media attention, rather than the much more likely possibility that you underestimated their support?
@@SimonFrack Many of those I've spoken to, particularly the younger ones, have no clue as to what they're really about. Rather like Brexit.... Well it worked once, didn't it?
@@glenm786 "They were mostly given air time, to smear them." They smear themselves - fascists tend to do that. As to third largest party, we have - and will retain - a FPTP system which makes them irrelevant. Ultimately the Tories will tack back to the centre, just as Labour had to do after their own disastrous turn to the Left under Corbyn.
The Tories lost this election, virtually all by themselves!! The public rightly have decided they have had enough of the Tory exceptionalism, incompetence & corruption. Let's hope having some adults running the show, promising to put the country ahead of party, can start to repair 14 years of damage?!
Deservedly an awful result for the Tories but Labour won by default rather than acclamation. They need to deliver if we're not to have a big swing to the far right at the next election.
@@markhepworth yeah 2016 hand book comes out again everyone I disagree with is an Austrian painter, have some actual criticism rather than a bingo card
@@ece2178 The fact you bring up “the Austrian painter” is pretty telling,why even bring that man into this?....what normal person is going to invoke him with regards to British politics..🤷♂️🤦♂️🤡
Personally i am surprised the Tories have ended up with 120+ seats. I would have liked the Liberal democrats to have edged the Tories into second place so they could form the opposition leaving the Tories and Reform on the outside. In 2010 Labour got kicked out and rightfully especially after the Iraq war but these last 14 years the Tories have broken the UK and bad decision after bad decision have destroyed the dreams of the working class. I left secondary school in 1999 excited about my future looking forward to college and university and i had many many dreams and ideas but from the Iraq war, the banking crisis in 2008 under Labour (not their fault), the destruction of our infrastructure and NHS, Brexit and Covid and now corruption and cost of living and housing crisis I've been hit time and time again and im worse off than when i was 22 when leaving Uni. When I left uni i had £18,000 in my account and 2 jobs, also i was taking 2 foreign week holidays a year as well as 2 weekend city breaks. Fast forward to today aged 41 im in overdraft and seeing my wages and disposal income decimated. F@@k Blair and the Tories!!
How many labour controlled areas have gone bankrupt now? Socialism has NEVER worked. Just like last time they were in Power, they'll bankrupt us again. Well done comrade
The lady I am sorry I don't know her name was correct when she said " We feel we are still sitting in it " meaning the past, that's exactly why the Tories were punished people are still living in the hard times their 14 years have caused.
The Tories lied one too many times. They refused to move ahead and had no plan... They just coasted hoping, waiting for revelation. Until EVERYBODY lost faith in them and their indolence...
I don't think it's been an issue of left-right dicotomy. I think it's been monied elites not listening to the majority, also seemly true of Labour right now.
That's because they were almost as left wing as labour. Reform aren't fat right, they're simply a right wing conservative party that wishes to protect our land and culture from being eroded. Every other country in the world has this instinct to protect its civilisation. Why can't we?
@@gazfish I'm not sure Reform voters think like that. They just hear Farage promising them stuff they want. Like Boris promised them more money for the NHS. They don't ask "how" and Reform are happy to not go into any detail. Because it's all BS fantasy politics designed to gain power.
Biggest UK clown? Really? I would hand that joint crown to Boris and Liz Truss. Glad to see him gone, but there’s now way he was anywhere close to Boris and Liz in terms of clownism.
I'm American, so I'm a bit out of the loop. But even here in the states, there's a general sentiment that the UK's Conservative Party is a failing party. At least, in the company I keep. Congratulations to Labour though. Big night for them.
People should question Farage when he says Reform don't want red tape, or the government ruling our lives. He means fewer employment rights, fewer environment standards, and fewer food standards.
Well, there was a worrying trend, usually amongst the generation that came along just after the war, that it was fought to prove that the English, and not the Germans, were in fact the true master race... (You know, the old "Two World Wars And One World Cup" attitude...)
Shocked not to see more comments on what was pretty much the very first discussion point with Ian about Labours massive seat majority versus relatively low actual voter support - FPP is such a wildly broken and undemocratic system, the fact that its at the behest of the two parties that benefit from it the most to fix it is completely insane.
@@jarvis1508Quick question. Cut the benefit of hindsight out. How do you reckon Labour would have dealt with the triple blow of brexit+covid+economy if they faced it for the first time? I have a feeling Starmer is going to be Tony Blair # 2. He has already promised his "unequivocal support" to the US to maintain peace around the world.
@@56NeilWatsonnot only that Look at Labour’s action, their policies. This isn’t a win for us. The NHS is still gonna be privatised, austerity is gonna continue. It’s just the country is gonna be run by a millionaire Knight in a red tie rather than a billionaire in a blue one.
Have you looked at the vote share? Reform did really well. Farage will use this next four years to continue building support and blaming all of the bad, in the UK, on everyone else. Reform will grow and Labour are going to have to really get their skates on to improve things to stop it from growing exponentially
@@asmith6647 What's coming? More shouting? Another referendum? Really not convinced that's what the British people want right now or any time soon. Reform have no real policies because they're not a real party.
4 million Reform votes. Half a million more than the Lib Dems got, and 3 million more than UKIP got in the election which precipitated the Brexit referendum. 4 million votes for what is essentially the modern rebranding of the BNP is absolutely scary.
So glad not to see some of the MPs Tories anymore. Unfortunately David Cameron is still around as well as Boris Johnson in the hope to get the leadership of Tory party.😵💫
They will be back if Labour don’t deliver on their promises. The only saving grace for Labour is that they cannot possibly be worse than the rotten Tories.
How many labour controlled areas have gone bankrupt now? Socialism has NEVER worked. Just like last time they were I. Power, they'll bankrupt us again. Well done comrad.
FPP is inherently undemocratic. Labour need to embrace democracy, and learn to embrace other priorities - unfortunately, Starmer is not the man for that.
One thing Starmer must not forget is that the people did not vote for Labour. They voted against the Conservatives and that is not a powerful mandate. Labour will have to do their very best to convince their voters that they deserve the trust they imagine was placed in them.
Millions of us DID vote for Labour! You are just parroting what you e heard on the telly. You can vote for your own values and standards and still be thrilled to bits the tories have gone!
One of our worst characteristics, as Brits is complacency and apathy. Reform will grow - they have a big share of the vote and remember that all the remainers in the UK are still living with the consequences of complacency
@jamesrowden303 , I hope so too, but Farage (and Trump) have been laughed at and treated as jokes many times before and had the last laugh, so far better to understand why they have mass appeal and why people believe in them than to pretend that they don’t have any influence, because they do.
The Tories haven't been decimated, they're still going to be the second biggest party. Incredibly hundreds of thousands of people have seen the last 14 years and said yep, more of that please. Nothing has been fixed here, give it another 2, maybe 3 parliaments and the Tories will be back and it'll all happen again. Once again I find myself deeply disappointed in the British people come Election results morning.
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Yes what does it take for British people to STOP voting against their best interests! You really couldn’t make it up!
And the only reason Labour has a landslide win is because the votes on the right has been split between Tories and reform. Only a fraction of voters (maybe 7-15%) have actual switched from right to left.
@@pansepot1490lol you think Labour, in its current form, is left? Have you looked at their policies? Their proposals for the NHS? PFIs? Labour isn’t left. Centre right at best.
Populism thrives on disillusionment, these places have basically been abandoned by mainstream politics so someone who can promise anything and "tells it like it is" is going to do well.
When people are neglected, discarded from the decision making process, and left with no hope. Enter a charismatic, smooth-talking, snake-oil salesman promising a utopian, sunny future, with nostalgic memories of a mythical past, parachuted in with gobs of media exposure, and a full campaign finance coffer...hey Presto, Clacton.
Nothing to do with Brexit. We had to endure a further Tory term, from 2019, precisely because voters believed the Conservatives were the only party that would deliver it. Labour under idiotic Jeremy Corbyn were, to put it mildly, less than unequivocal that they'd respect the outcome of a democratic vote. Shades of Trump and 6 January. So we've effectively now had 2 votes on Brexit - in both 2016 and 2019 - and still you people bleat. You remind me of the SNP who still haven't got the message that the people of Scotland don't want independence. They lost a referendum. They then said if they won a majority of Scottish Parliament seats they'd take it as an instruction to seek a 2nd referendum. They didn't win a majority of seats. They then said if they won the majority of Scottish UK Parliament seats they'd take it as an instruction to seek a 2nd referendum. They in fact lost 38 seats and now only have 9 out of 70-odd. This morning they were *still* talking about independence, and not talking about a single thing that matters to the people of Scotland. Some people just never understand when it's over.
I was recovering from operation, just because I was self employed, universal credit showed no support, had to borrow money an recover, never vote Conservative. I'm sure labour would have more care for our country's residents
this new government has got a very difficult job because of the mess left behind but from experience labour governments in the past always make health a priority and I am hoping this will happen again, as a retired nurse labour were always best sorting out the NHS . well it was a labour man who started it after starting it in his own area in Wales and then taking nation wide
@@juliaperry2812 Other than an NHS which cannot cope with Britain's exploding population because so many don't work and pay taxes, exactly what mess has been left behind?
I wouldn’t mock them just yet, 4m votes should be taken seriously! I’m not a reform voter, never would be but we need to take them seriously before it’s too late
And Greens win 4 for the first time yet the media obsessed with Reform. At some point we will learn not to give air and legitimacy to far right culture wars and feel we need to respond to every lie or divisive statement
I'm really impressed with the exit poll this time because I remember (was it 2015?) when it predicted a hung parliament and actual results gave the Tories an increased majority!
Lol, labour acting like they won, when they increased vote share by 1.6% 🤣 Meanwhile Reform got 12% of the vote....Farage unironically did more to help labour win than Starmer 🤣🤣😂
@clairenoon4070 I get that nuance might be beyond you, but they didn't turn conservative voters enmass, as I said farage did more to help labour win than starmer 🤣
@@martynsmith820 Littering your posts with laughing emojis doesn't make them funny. And it certainly doesn't make them right. I'm amused at your talking of 'nuance' but banging on about possibly one of the most un-nuanced aspects of the election - that if the right (or left) wing has its vote split, it's less likely to win a general election. Commentators don't mention this because it comes under 'stating the bleeding obvious'!
@clairenoon4070 the nuance is that starmer didn't win so much as the conservatives lost. As I said, labour didn't turn the vote to them, people didn't actually really buy into what either labour or lib dems offered (as seen by the tiny vote increases for those parties). It was simply that 4 million people voted for farage. That would the nuance missed by you 🤷♂️
@@martynsmith820 Nope, still no nuance there! It's as if you've not yet grasped (or perhaps only just grasped) that Labour and the Conservatives go back and forth being in power, and that there are (all other things being equal, and there not being a 'one-off' issue at play, such as 2019 and people wanting Brexit to be done) 'relatively' few seats that cause power to change hands. This is as true for the Conservatives as it is for Labour. Parties will obviously direct their greatest effort into these seats. There's absolutely no revelation here!
"They are always trying to avoid the last disaster and walk right into the next one" ...a poignant message to counterbalance the seemingly unchallenged adage "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to re-live it". Evidence that all shallow or relative truths are dualistic and hence are able to “cut both ways”?
Why the hyperbole - nobody does think that?! He's just someone who's done a very difficult job well in the last few years, and wants to do another very difficult job well in the next few years.
@@JeanMichael-g1m with lot many ‘peacefuls’ as supporters and with ‘peaceful MPs’, Starmer won’t be able to support Isreal, even if his wife has a jewish background !
I'm politically neutral. But it is staggering that the new Labour government only got about 33% vote and end up with so many seats. By definition, that means 2/3rds of voters didn't want them. The system is a pantomime.
@@thesleeplessmn 2017 was actually pretty accurate as it was largely a race between Labour and the Tories on 40% each. 2019 was a smaller win for the Tories but on a much larger share of the vote (43%). This is a completely different league of fptp fuckery.
@@thesleeplessmn yes - the system is a pantomime and doesn't represent democracy. The system transcends any political party's results - it's all a nonsense
Well thats the end of "Have I got news for you" also known as the weekly "Labour Party Political Broadcast". They will having to say or do other than to kiss Starmers botty each week.
So Labours vote share increased by 1.6% and as aresult it gets 100% increasse in seats share. That's some cool democracy. Looking forward to doing 1.6% more work in my job and getting a 100% pay rise.
Historically it takes about 10 years for the general public to tire of one party or the other. However, for Tories it will take about a nanosecond before they start to complain. There's already some in these comments and Sir Keir isn't PM yet.
@@kevinsmarts9953 Or it will just take another ‘non-peaceful’ immigrant as PM, even if he is a non-believer! If ‘peaceful’ like khan, he and the party might survive
@@Truthsayer-sc9uq So no issue with immigrant Johnson who is American? I wonder what visual difference makes you call people immigrants? Your username is incorrect, btw
And well done to Joseph Starlin, Vladimir Lenin and others of his ilk for the amazing societies they constructed. How many labour controlled areas have gone bankrupt now? Socialism has NEVER worked. Just like last time they were in Power, they'll bankrupt us again. Well done comrade
Sunak realised that there’s no point in saving people who are unknowingly out of hate digging their own graves! Now in comes ‘poor Afghan, Syria and Iran immigrant’ sympathisers ! Rest of all can leave for Rwanda ! You all have just burned your own house fearing a caged rat unfortunately !