On a specific point that Ido makes.. I now work for fairly long periods in a squat position when gardening and cleaning, and it really has opened up my hip flexibility and eliminates knee and back pain. I got this from him 🙏🏻
@@mimig6511 there are many tutorials but basically improve hip knee and ankle rom, and if you have tried or its not enough try different stances like wider feet placement and feet pointed further out
At the onset, when Ido somewhat rejected questions with the rejection of "language," I thought "uh oh. This is going to be hard." But, wow, this conversation evolved into a beautiful inspirational combination of biology and philosophy. I literally went into my home gym and played with movement. He is definitely a virtuoso, as are you, Andrew, not only in biology but also in leading conversation. So respectful.
I took a Yoga class the day after Thanksgiving, and the teacher had us do almost all twisting postures, supine, standing, balancing and more. Joanna Elkhoury told us, that the twists would help with our digestion, because we probably had overeaten. At the end of the class, I felt like a child! It was amazing, hard to describe and has never happened again. It was so physically freeing. Just thought I'd share a unique experience of movement.
@@nonebelievingbeliever3753 Sounds more legit than sadhguru ngl xD. But on a serious note, you have to practice any kind of skill for a very very long time to understand what the fuck Ido's on about. I can totally relate to what they're discussing coz I have a sports background since childhood.
This is going to be one I pause and come back to when I'm in the right frame of mind. I am used to the Huberman Lab podcast being with guests who are very concise and to the point. Whereas here Ido Portal tends to obfuscate the subject in a philosophical way. It'll take a bit more concentration for me to absorb.
The idolatry frame of mind? I tried to listen to this a few days ago... And jeez, this was "cringe," as the children say. I'm still thinking about it! Ha. Whatever underlying philosophy is present under the "guru" veneer sounds quite fascinating, but I have never heard someone so full of themselves dodge the most basic questions. I spent 40 minutes trying to "hear" this guy and came to the conclusion that he is too self-absorbed to have the humility to talk to someone (this was my first impression). Like many people in the business of peddling philosophy and self-improvement, it seems like the more ambiguous, abstract, and indirect you make yourself out to be, the "deeper" it is. And this has nothing to do with the underlying philosophy. Speak to Kipchoge. If anyone can talk movement, it will be someone who can run the 100-metre sprint in 17 seconds--and then sustain this speed for 2 hours. And is generous with his discourse.
@@SP800.69 I felt the same way for the first 45 minutes. It did get a tiny bit better. But again, you describe my sentiments, exactly, with regard to this interview.
@@zorzstankovic4364 ha ha. Yeah man, it’s funny how the more you dance around a topic abstractly, the more credit you’re given as an expert. What I like about Drew is that he’s the opposite: he demonstrates by demonstrating. Bob Marley once said something like, “if you can’t explain it to a baby, then you don’t know it”. The first 40 minutes here were painful to listen to. I get tired of this notion that nothing is anything, language means nothing, we need to forget about definitions, etc. That kinda of philosophy, is the pseudo-intellectualism, that’s destroying our civilization before our eyes. It’s throwing out the baby with the water whilst shitting on our ancestors achievements. I’m tired of it, as many are.
Thank you for posting this! I just finished listening to this wonderful interview. I love both Dr.Huberman and Ido Portal. As a Feldenkrais practitioner, I can definitely see how the work of Moshe Feldenkrais has influenced the work of Ido Portal. As Moshe Feldenkrais said, movement is life. life is a process. Improving the quality of movement will improve the quality of life. Movement practice done with curiosity and without rigid goal oriented mindset can lead to endless discoveries and possibilities = neuroplasticity in practice!
I’m an artist and I draw movement (I call them motion blurs)- it’s like my thing I’ve developed in the art world. The other day I was gonna suggest this podcast and I’m so glad this happened!
As a fellow skateboarder, thanks for providing this conversation. The concepts of movements and movement, human interaction through a movement activity, moving being a type of language, really got me to think how they relate to skateboarding, and why it and the people in the community feel like they do. Plenty to digest.
I have enjoyed all of your podcasts but this one is especially exciting. As a Bioenergetic Analyst I work in mental health in all the ways Ido is talking about. I help people connect to their basic impulse(s), relieve those blocks on movement, find vibration, communicate without words, etc. His philosophy speaks to my heart! As you've said Dr. H, the ANS is the unconscious mind! And Ido knows how to access it! Very exciting. I recommend if people are interested in using movement to heal trauma, anxiety, depression, to find a Certified Bioenergetic Therapist and start moving!! And, as you exemplified, we are in constant moving relationship with one another ✌️❤🙏
I love what Ido says at 31:22. I was a professional classical ballet dancer but developed a disability because of type one diabetics and have mostly stopped dancing. I'm going to start looking at movement practice with more creativity since the container of classical ballet as I have always known it isn't available to me anymore. I really appreciate this conversation. Thank you.
I was a dancer. There was an accident. We can find joy in movement again. I'm holding hope for us both, my friend. Sending love from an internet stranger. 😍
Good luck guys - hope you find a path to channel the happiness through not only movement, but also meditation and taking care of your bodies through healthy diet and sleep
Comment not specific to this episode, but. I am kind of a redneck. Small town Nebraska/SouthDakota raised. 45yrs old now. Fortunate to have a job where I have ample time to listen to podcasts & audio books. Discovered Huberman on Rogan. I have listened to every episode. I have benefited greatly from the information put out by Andrew. I feel like I have found a resource I can trust. I share episodes with friends & family all of the time. Thank you for the time you invest in making this information accessible & relatable to a pee brain working man like me. Truly in debt. Podcast in general, & particularly this one, have changed, & improved my life.
Understanding Ido's metaphors is extremely hard. But his passion to movement is really felt through his words, and that is very captive. Good one Andrew.
Yeah I think he's intentionally vague to try to cut out a niche for himself honestly I mean I said it before the guy is very knowledgeable and he's very experienced at his craft but he's a bit of an ego trip you have to really read between the lines because if you take it at face value he seems very humble but somebody who is really good at what they do cannot be humble all the time that's just human nature
Ido Portal attempts to develop his movement capabilities in as wide a domain as is possible. This involves developing all the core physical attributes (strength, speed, power, coordination e.t.c) and afterwords more subtle ones such as softness, timing e.t.c In order to do this, he always looks for his weakest area and deliberately devises tasks/challenges/practices to develop here. The reason why he can seem to sound vague is that he is much further along the path than most so that it is difficult to relate. Like a child that has never heard of math being thrown into calculus class. I would advise reading all his posts online, beginning from the oldest posts where he talks of more basic topics such as getting stronger and advancing to more complex topics from there. Hope this helps.
@@rider65 it's the way you see it I think. I feel he is grounded and tries to stay meditative. He is trying to create a positive space for Andrew as well to dig deep into the moment.
I felt that too. A niche certainly and an intelligence and intellect but also a huge ego. I thought Andrew built on that and did not let it throw him....which oooooh in a teeny way I felt Ido was trying to do that. I have watched and read him for years. Fantastic concepts etc but I feel the friction of his superiority. Maybe I need to examin myself huh?? @@rider65
I have listened to every one of your podcasts and look forward to Mondays. I could not get past 31:00 with Ido. I am glad it helped others, just seems like the tailor that made the emperors clothes. I liked him better when he was playing touch-butt in the park. Thank you, again, for all that you have given the community.
I get that, Ido's deconstruction of his own philosophy makes it harder to gain interest.. He also captivated me more in the McGregor phase, when his ideas where more digestible and practical.. Still, lots of wisdom in this pod, especially after the first rounds. Maybe you'll give it another shot 😉
Same. Between the accent and the abstract thoughts I couldn’t engage. Am I mistaken in hearing him say he wasn’t planning to answer any of Andrew’s questions pretty early on? Seems a strange comment in an interview.
@@cascott01 I heard him say that he wouldn’t answer questions and that’s was the beginning of when i started to feel like he enjoyed the obfuscation (to prove his superiority?) rather than the sharing of info.
@@hankporcher7948 I think he is trying to provide answers that are more like an entire target versus just the bullseye. He answers things in a squishy nonspecific way to demonstrate there is a whole area not just a specific point.
What a clash of titans!! Two of the absolute best in their fields and a wonderful conversation. I think what Bernstein and the degrees of freedom problem also highlights is how every movement is different. The perfect racket swing must take into account different angles, momentum, posture, and even clothes. Hence practicing multiple variations of a movement under different contexts is beneficial. A single kick one thousand times... Each a little different! And in regards to movement predating language and cognition I love the theory of embodied cognition/semantics. Thanks again for sharing such an inspiring and enlightening convo (as always)!
At the risk of sounding negative, I'd like to share the following. I'm a huge fan of Andrews podcast, my wife accredits some (of my) truly significant self-awareness to Andrews podcast. Ido is just fantastic, huge admirer of his work since discovering him on the London Reel interview several years ago, but this interview felt very labored at times. I think Andrew's commitment to the scientific method and forensic analysis of topics didn't (at least on this occasion) meld well with Ido's abstractions and more philosophical approach. The effort made to be relatable and such was excellent, but it still did feel awkward at times. Cultural and language hurdles without doubt plays into those hurdles, I'll leave it at that. Thank you both! *always* learn something from the great Mr Huberman.
I understand what you mean and knowing Ido's approach and way of explaining things I was expecting some difficulties like these to appear, which they did. Yet still have to give Andrew credit for being a good listener and trying to build the bridge towards the scientific world he's coming from.
This was like watching a volleyball game in very slow motion. One lob over the net and a beautiful, gracefully positioned lob back with soft gentle fingertip control. Just fantastic content. I’m going to be 60 soon and do HIIT training. I’ll really have to explore other options as well. I was preparing my chuck roast for the crockpot while I listened to this and decided to dance my way around the kitchen ❤️
I have a lot of respect for people who keep their promises. At 12:10, Ido said that he would try not to answer any of Andrew's questions during this interview and he did exactly what he said! No questions were answered directly :) Though still a good discussion.
I loved it when he said: „the lower tech your tools are, the more high tech your body is“. I’m going to tell that to my ballet, contemporary dance and yoga students 😅
What a uncommon way to think of and examine movement. Very mystic, holistic and tribal even though he has all the scientific knowledge and understanding. So interesting that he retains such a ‘fluid’ perspective but it fits with his message on this podcast. It was refreshing and informative. Thank you again Dr. Huberman.
Glad to see some unconventional guests coming on your podcast. Ido is on a different level if one hear his words. He was sharing some serious spiritual philosophy while talking about movement. Mr Miyagi of movement !
The first 50 minutes drove me crazy as even philosophically it seemed like we were entirely avoiding, “movement”, as something that even exists. The interview got a lot better after we were able to get passed the idea that there’s no such thing as ideas and actually discussed some ideas.
@@worthy81 nah, I don’t think I did. But thanks for making a statement that you didn’t have time to back up with a rational explanation that could’ve swayed other people to your, “enlightened”, view point.
@@worthy81 I feel the same way about you, it’s hilarious actually, that the random guy, who is, “in peace”, is telling others they misunderstand things without believing he then has a spiritual obligation, when portraying himself as an ever enlightened being, to give a rational explanation/justification/argument to persuade others of his enlightened validity, after taking the time to project a certain image of himself in public forums…it’s as if the rest of us are just waiting patiently for such a guru to grace us all with his opinions. 👏👏👏 a real beauty bro. 🤣🤣🤣
Ido Portal attempts to develop his movement capabilities in as wide a domain as is possible. This involves developing all the core physical attributes (strength, speed, power, coordination e.t.c) and afterwords more subtle ones such as softness, timing e.t.c In order to do this, he always looks for his weakest area and deliberately devises tasks/challenges/practices to develop here. The reason why he can seem to sound vague is that he is much further along the path than most so that it is difficult to relate. Like a child that has never heard of math being thrown into calculus class. I would advise reading all his posts online, beginning from the oldest posts where he talks of more basic topics such as getting stronger and advancing to more complex topics from there. Hope this helps.
Wow! I am thrilled that I do experience what I call spontaneous yoga or flow-ga and I understood exactly what these two men were discussing. It’s a beautiful state of being that has changed my life. When I feared the movement, I lived in constant pain and suffering. I was so afraid of moving because many times when I did, I was hurt. I have Ehlers Danlos syndrome, hyperadrenergic pots, and numerous emotional and physical traumas, and my body has suffered incredibly for most of my life. Now I welcome the movement with joy and love and most of all, curiosity. I feel like my body is unwinding the past with such grace and ease, and I am amazed. I feel like a dancer has been released, and I never knew that was ever possible. I think my life has started over. At 56. Thank you! Thank you!
WoW....how Amazing that you have discovered a beautiful and curious way through moving your body to free yourself of the past....flowing & flowering 🌸🐝🐿🦄🐉🦋🌸
Thank you Andrew!!! For having invited Ido. The living "Movement" on a "first person perspective" is so paramount... and yet so rare in our discussion circles. Your choice for Ido was specially valuable. On the "types" of movement... I feel MUSIC in a core element of movement. Not in terms of listening to music... It's something much more fundamental, like Luria's "Kinetic melodies"... The way that tonus flows within the sense of movement, rythm, dynamics, background posture and foreground voluntary movement, "frases" and the "story telling" that animates the movements of our ACTIONS. The whole orchestration of the flow of tonus in the living canvas of our neuromuscular systems! Movement than goes far beyond space and brings a kind of coloring to time. I see and feel music in there, in here. Well.... THANK YOU AGAIN, Dr. Huberman, for all!
I struggled with this one, Huberman did well to navigate a vague and arrogant Ido who avoided questions and had no science backing to any of his romantic theories. Didn't hit the mark for me. Thank you for the work you do sir!
I agree. This was hard to listen to. There was an arrogance and lack of substance and science - forced myself to listen until the end but still came away with nothing sensible other than knowing to avoid any future podcasts or features with Ido in them.
@@emeraldroadracing8061 You were expecting realism from abstract expressionist. Why? Science is about going into unknown and making sense of it. Therefore, Ido Portal may rather triggered more science than any other episode
@@jklumel no he didn't anyone can say gobbldy gook about anything and seem abstract. Ido is a run of the mill grifter who makes you think ONLY he knows the answers and if you don't understand you just aren't "ready". He is the definition of a cult leader and gave way to no science in this episode. Thinking he "triggered more science than any other episode" is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard.
Ido Portal attempts to develop his movement capabilities in as wide a domain as is possible. This involves developing all the core physical attributes (strength, speed, power, coordination e.t.c) and afterwords more subtle ones such as softness, timing e.t.c In order to do this, he always looks for his weakest area and deliberately devises tasks/challenges/practices to develop here. The reason why he can seem to sound vague is that he is much further along the path than most so that it is difficult to relate. Like a child that has never heard of math being thrown into calculus class. I would advise reading all his posts online, beginning from the oldest posts where he talks of more basic topics such as getting stronger and advancing to more complex topics from there. Hope this helps.
25 minutes in...I love how Andrew tries to get structured and practical advice but Ido just does a contemporary dance with his words and ideas.... Love the abstractions and hopefully we'll get moving to some practical guidelines...
Sometimes I feel modern self help culture can drown us in practicality. Ido’s style of abstraction allows us to realise life is a process of discovery; that routine, standardisation and habits eventually fall short to life’s eternal nature. That’s where the fun lies. In improvisation, finding out new ways of doing things. But Ido is deep diving in the unknown right now, language can wait haha.
@@Utopian22 I think you're right. But there's also deep value in the capability for succinct structuring of ideas/practicalities, especially difficult ones. Andrew is a master at that imo, and that's fundamental for people like me to have at least an introductory understanding to whatever field of study... Now, that can be compromised, stupified and calcified... and that's a problem... Love Ido's abstractions, they're much needed and valuable explorations to help in this, but some are also some intelectual levels above practicality to begin with imo. I feel Ido's communication of his movement ideas is more balanced in this way in other interviews (for my own taste at least), so that the average guy like me gained the interest to put a foot on the door and stick around for more.... I guess I want to say that I would've liked that Ido answered Andrew's questions more directly, not so laterally, but I'm not complaining at all. Great pod!
I would love to know about how body dysmorphia and skin picking disorders relate to a Movement practice, and how for some people there’s an inability to be aware of your own body without any physical or mental discomfort, anxiety, or fear (a whole episode on this would be great). What Ido describes seems to be a pathway out of such discomfort that I find super promising. What a fantastic and unexpectedly enlightening episode!
Start moving your body and the brain will follow. Give yourself a real focus/goal and it will start to move you out of that collapsed/anxious place. Hope that’s helpful
As a life long martial artist, (@1hr38), I very rarely plan sessions now. I assess who is attending class and we work on whatever is going to be the biggest value to the people that are there. This is normally planned after a warm-up/mobilisation. If I cannot decide and start getting too cerebral and overthinking, I will leave it up to chance and my unconscious mind. I will prepare everyone in sparring gear then drag one of my fighters out and say "throw a technique at me"..... Then, as a practitioner, I will work with options/counters/reactions from this one attack. A lot of people would say this is "winging it" but this explanation of virtuosity is perfect. Thank you
The next question after this, when looking at how the eyes move, the gaze is in peripheral vision mode. From Huna (hawaiian spiruality) its called Hakalau.
It is amazing how this man says things that make you get goose bumps in almost each line he says. Very smart to have invited him to your "lab", he added a perfect component to your project. Congrats to you and thanks for letting us know him.
I had to listen twice because it was hard to follow, but I am truly captured by this type of content. I remember his quote “I am not my friend” or “you are not your friend” as being the ONE thing that changed his practice forever. I think it’s similar to saying “we are our own worse enemy”. The struggle with commercialism, capitalism and so powerful that we fall prey upon it, hence this takes us out of the practice of movement. Lastly, I did get a lot about what Professor Huberman and ido portal we’re saying about variability (it’s life). Thank YOU. Replies are greatly appreciated.
As a medical doctor (neurologist and psychiatrist), whose job is to observe human beings, I have to share my Eindruck: I find this man not completely mentally in Ordnung. He shows symptoms of mental issues. I would be very interested, to discuss this further, if anyone is interested. He has little to no affect, and the speaking isn't normal. He could be damaging people, who goes eagerly to him, to "learn" He definitely should be examined by psychiatrists. Er lebt ganz offensichtlich in seiner fast wahnhaften Welt. Ob es sich bei ihm um einfach eine Grunderkrankung handelt, oder durch/nach Sunstanzabusus ist noch differentialdiagnostisch zu klären. P.S.: and dear Andrew, from observing you I'd just say: no matter how much enthusiasm you have for someone, TRY TO STAY OBJECTIVE. You were here like some innocent child listening to a guru! I would definitely NOT call this man an intellectual. At most smart.
I was struck by how Portal would take Huberman's questions from a meta-perspective and avoid niceties in sharing his point of view, often questioning the question itself. Huberman, in turn, found a remarkable grace that I think most folks would not muster. This was not just a meeting of two very different humans, but of two contrasting worlds, and I for one am left with a wealth of exciting possibilities to explore.
The most beautiful, inspiring conversation I ever heard. It affected my thoughts about movement, teaching, the evolution of vertebrate movement and even though I am 70 years old, I am dumping my chi kong lessons and hope Ido has a workshop for seniors in Jerusalem. Thanks to both of you for a life changing video.
If you are here to learn interesting facts, science or protocols in a time efficient manner, SKIP this episode. Entire episode was romanticised word play that was 98% ‘hot air’. A summary of anything useful in this podcast would be; - Always question and don’t be constrained in normal ways of thinking or be rigid with what everyone thinks- experiment and experience. - Humans should probably move more than they do these days, a culmination of 30 minutes crouching could be beneficial. I was so excited when I saw this titled episode and thought there would be at least some general mobility exercises or protocols to do regularly however, there was literally nothing here. I checked the comments after about 7 minutes to see if there were recommendations not to bother with this episode and wished I saw something along these lines so I could have saved 2.5 hours. Regardless, thank you very much Dr Huberman and team for continuing to improve and do podcasts!
Words can’t convey the gratitude that we feel for the people who make this type of content, instantly available, for free. God bless you all Fair winds and following seas.
I love this interview. I appreciate the level of inquiry with a level of freedom that most people have not experienced. It is clear to me, and part of my personal practice to include stillness and the development of consciousness in a continuum of movement. I love working with my students with the Anat Baniel Method® and witness the flood of possibilities that result. I would like to suggest to Andrew Huberman interview Anat Baniel. She would be a fabulous follow up to the brilliance of Ido Portal. She studied with Moshe Feldenkrais for 16 years and was his personal assistant.
This conversation was unlike anything I have listened to, a dance in and of itself. So much general language from Ido's side and masterful reaction and respect towards it from dr. Huberman. It was amazing to listen, even more than the actual content. I understand that Ido didn't want to give any protocols, but this one was so out of the ordinary Huberman podcast flow that I will have to listen to it a few more times. Thank you for this discovery, dr. Huberman.
When he talked about walking around Hong Kong without bumping into anyone, I must admit my reaction was "but that's just how women walk all the time". There's been studies done on it: women move out of the way, and men expect people to move out of their way. I'm surprised that someone who is supposedly an expert on movement hasn't noticed this.
I was like, what’s the big insight here? Then it hit me, whilst Andrew Huberman 👨🔬 grew up in a research lab, I was a barista moving around all day, 🕺 goofing, 🎭playing, and making music by clanking cups, steaming milk, & closing refrigerator doors. ° Twisting and turning through crowds instill do this day. And dancing backwards down stairs. ° I would enjoy a trip through crowds with Idol Portal. May we knowingly cross paths one day. 🤞🤞🏹🤞🤞
Ido is great! But maybe also consider interviewing Professor Rob Gray from Arizona State University on topics related to perception action coupling, anticipatory control of movement, specifying vs non specifying informations, dorsal and ventral visual processing streams, etc. If you want to discuss Bernsteins, Gibsons, Brunswick’s, Dreyfus, Ponty’s, etc as it pertains to skill acquisition and development in a sporting context that’s your man.
In my 47 years, I've sought out/stumbled upon/enjoyed/savored/studied - very, VERY deeply - many, MANY a highest-level and (necessarily, of course) extremely intelligent and nuanced long-form conversation between (or even among) masters and virtuosos who offer themselves and their focused, in-tune state of being to both themselves and their conversant, as well as of course any and all who listen. I do say - this discussion, between THESE two masterful men (who're, in addition to all else wonderful here, both seemingly ABOUT my age, judging from their beards), is indeed among the most IMPORTANT, enjoyed and savored discussions that I've ever experienced. Been playing it and rewinding it, minute by minute, all day long now. THANK you, Ido and Andrew - for the content, the style... the _nature..._ of your reflective giving to the rest of humanity. These things echo throughout time and human experience.
What a stunning conversation between you both. Together- you’ve offered so much intricate detail. This is an incredibly valuable podcast. The juxtaposition of detail, the use of terms, and the many concepts brought up in this graceful dialog. It’s truly thrilling to have this opportunity to be able to learn from you and the amazing guest that you invite to explore the many facets related to the brain/body. Thank you 💪❤️🙏👏🐛🦋
Thank you for this! Will watch later in the evening. Movement quality is the foundation of most athletic ability, it's so underrated and underutilised. Ido knows his stuff. The 30 day squat challenge he conceptualised is a good starting point for older individuals and those new to mobility exercises. Sitting in a deep squat for 30 minutes a day for 30 days can transform your flexibility and improve your neuroplasticity in regards to squatting which is a fundamental human skill (doesn't have to be in one go.)
Thanks Huberman for this podcast. I really liked every second of it and I am also on the same page with you that Ido is indeed special and wild and wise. I also very much liked the word you used to present Ido which is the intellectual. Listening Ido’s thoughts on movevement and life itself is always fascinating and makes me to find new angles to feel the world from other perspectives. I am happy and grateful to know him. All the best.
Re 'wordlessness,' this is already something this podcast has tuned me into more with simple instruction that pausing and doing nothing, even for only ten seconds, during learning, aids retention. In practice, I've felt a much more immediate benefit from it, a meditative shift of focus, making me more in touch with the present moment (to use a shorthand for something that barely really even exists) and with a sense of beauty. A little later, the podcast offered up the idea that focus could be improved by staring at a point for as little as thirty seconds - another basically meditative practice. This is something I've found really lovely. It's interesting how both this and the occular defocusing more commonly recommended here feel relaxing. A little more of a personal angle on wordlessness: for a long time I've been trying to figure out screenwriting and something I still do too little of is writing/imagining silent scenes. It's a completely different way of thinking about a story - especially for people as verbally oriented as writers - and often has a very immediate pleasurable effect. I think it was something like this in movies by other people that first made me really want to write screenplays: art house movies, often with fairly sparse dialogue, that sent me back out into the world with what felt like heightened perception.
I did not like this episode of the podcast very much. I feel like Ido is purposely obscuring things in order to keep an aura of mystery and exoticness around his practice. The difference between movements and 'Movement" (capital M) is a really old trope of philosophy and literary studies - "this is not a truth, this is the Truth", "not meaning, but Meaning" etc. This kind of essentialism and vagueness is precisely what science is supposed to dispel, isn't it? Then, later in the podcast, we learn that part of the practice is squatting for 30 minutes a day. Doesn't this contradict Ido's earlier intention of not grounding his practice? Andrew's interventions were always the clearest, and I felt like they brought my feet back on solid ground. This is because he often (and if not, he announces this) speaks with the science in mind, and doesn't offer the audience personal conjectures packaged as ultimate mystical truth, which I feel is what Ido does. On this same note, I found the dynamics of Andrew's conversation with Ido to be very different when compared to his conversations with other podcast guests (see, for instance, the episodes with Alia Crum, David Spiegel, Wendy Suzuki). In the latter, you feel like you're hearing a conversation, a back-and-forth of ideas - Andrew often comments on what the guest has just said, or picks something up from what they said and takes it further, perhaps in a different direction, but nevertheless flowing from what the other person has said. Here, it's almost like a mechanical collection of questions that attempt to clarify (by Andrew), and refusals to clarify, followed by semi-mystical ramblings, at least in the beginning of the podcast (by Ido). Perhaps it's to be expected when Ido begins by saying "I will try not to answer any of your questions!". I don't think that is good faith, I think that is obfuscation. I really wish Andrew had acted more as a devil's advocate, pushing Ido towards a more obvious consilience (to use a term mentioned in the podcast) of his practice with science. Instead, I feel like Andrew played the role of the curious, but convinced, apprentice here, and Ido the all-knowing guru, which was uncomfortable, in my view.
As a medical doctor (neurologist and psychiatrist), whose job is to observe human beings, I have to share my Eindruck: I find this man not completely mentally in Ordnung. He shows symptoms of mental issues. I would be very interested, to discuss this further, if anyone is interested. He has little to no affect, and the speaking isn't normal. He could be damaging people, who goes eagerly to him, to "learn" He definitely should be examined by psychiatrists. Er lebt ganz offensichtlich in seiner fast wahnhaften Welt. Ob es sich bei ihm um einfach eine Grunderkrankung handelt, oder durch/nach Sunstanzabusus ist noch differentialdiagnostisch zu klären. P.S.: and dear Andrew, from observing you I'd just say: no matter how much enthusiasm you have for someone, TRY TO STAY OBJECTIVE. You were here like some innocent child listening to a guru! I would definitely NOT call this man an intellectual. At most smart.
Ido Portal attempts to develop his movement capabilities in as wide a domain as is possible. This involves developing all the core physical attributes (strength, speed, power, coordination e.t.c) and afterwords more subtle ones such as softness, timing e.t.c In order to do this, he always looks for his weakest area and deliberately devises tasks/challenges/practices to develop here. The reason why he can seem to sound vague is that he is much further along the path than most so that it is difficult to relate. Like a child that has never heard of math being thrown into calculus class. I would advise reading all his posts online, beginning from the oldest posts where he talks of more basic topics such as getting stronger and advancing to more complex topics from there. Hope this helps.
It is impossible for a specialist mindset to understand a generalists expression. You are clearly looking for facts, answers and direction and he gives none of that. He just wants you to think for yourself and explore in order to discover your "answers" . I believe this was achieved based on your comment. To know and not do is to have never really known. Stop trying to know and attempt to do and you'll find yourself answering your own questions.
Thank you for your work! Future-episode ideas: 1. How to mitigate the damage of excessive chronic, traumatic stress. Assuming that a person is *unavoidably* in such a multi-year situation: --You have addressed dealing with trauma *after* it occurs; how about while it is occurring (external causes fixed)? --You have addressed reducing stress, often (not always) self-imposed; any suggestions in addition to breath control (thank you) directed to how to manage one's reaction to unremitting external stressors? --How to mitigate hypersomnia, or on the flip side, sleep hunger, even if appropriate amounts are achieved without apnea or external causes other than stress/trauma? 2. Avoiding liver damage when taking supplements. Or maybe appending episodes that mention supplementation with the why and how of protecting the liver.
Ido Portal is the Most inspirational person in my life since discovered him a few years ago. Thank you for bringing him on the podcast. What a treat !!! 😊💜🙌🍾
Thank you for getting an interview with Ido! He certainly kept his word to not directly answer any questions asked :) and he really did give a lot of ideas. His public work from 5-10 years ago is much more concrete than he was here. It’s unfortunate if this is someone’s first exposure to him and his work. Despite how many may not follow this, Ido seems to be controversial to some, I appreciate the philosophy and the details both of you brought.
I've been working on improving my mobility for over a year now and it has greatly improved my health. Most of my problems, both mental and physical, seem to stem from mobility issues due to being still for the past several years. Excited to learn more!
I'm grappling with this right now, illness left me bedridden for 2 years and now I'm recovering I'm left with so many problems and pains from inactivity 😭 I find the lack of physical movement has robbed me of my forward movement of all other sorts in my life. Right now it feels insurmountable but your comment gives me hope of recovery. ❤️
@@sophie4636 I'm so sorry to hear that, my heart goes out to you! I've had great results with even a small amount of feldenkrais, qi gong, and general playfulness in day to day activities. It seems to me that new, unfamiliar, and irregular movements help a lot, especially things like balancing that requires a lot of focus. Don't be afraid to go weird and see what happens, haha. Best of luck to you my friend!
I am humbled by how wise I am while still being just a regular Joe. I feel the respect of everyone around me in any interaction I chose to participate in. Squatting has changed my life, never forget that.
Your Podcast are just exquisite.I am an MBBS aspirant and I am so curious about how human physiology,mind and nature functions. I feel so relieved to listen to you sir.Lots of Thanks 😊
The flow state and free-flow movement not only saved my life, but it is what catapulted me into human development working with children long ago. 13 years later I am determined to save the world with neuroscience tools and spread the knowledge of movement benefits, and beyond! Low flow and hoop dance was what specifically changed me/ what I used daily for years to rewire and regulate.
This was great! Ido doesn't define most things movement related because as soon as that happens limitations also happen. I believe defining movement, for him, is like trying to define life. Defining a starting point in movement is like trying to decide on a starting point in a circle. It doesn't matter, just move.
That is the big lesson here. And we can apply it to much more than movement. I have noticed with any philosophical system, no matter how internally consistent, the definitions are where it is most easy to argue and challenge the philosophy. And that is because the definitions are the limitations of the philosophy. So how interesting to see a guy all about protocols and practicality in contrast to somebody who does feels that the very act of making rules will restrict the possibilities of the practice. But then how does one start? The paradox is that by living we have already started. Anyway, it is interesting.
Dr. Huberman. Sir I vividly recall the moment during the Lex Fridman podcast that you decided to have one of your own to help humanity. I have been privy to the loss of Costello and witnessed your transition or rather evolution. Not as a scientist but as a conversationalist. As a podcaster. You have helped millions with the wealth of your knowledge and your immense research and sense of purpose. But with this one I felt you have allowed yourself to be vulnerable as a human being, open to possibilities. I applaud you Sir for this momentous undertaking to bring science to humanity at no cost. Thank you so much. Thank you.
...also, get Bren Veziroglu on the podcast, a long time student of Ido, and to be honest, in many regards a more open thinker! As a bonus: he has studied/worked in two different labs at stanford, so basically a local ;)
I stumbled over an Ido video years ago and found him to be wise and intuitive about the human body and human nature. I’m so glad that he’s making more video and coming on new channels. His perspective is so unique. I’m 60, and when I hear him talk about movement I feel empowered to move despite my age. Movement is not just for young people, it’s how we stay young mentally and physically. His mother practices his method as well. If you have him back, invite his mom. I’d love to hear her thoughts.
Andrew your time and energy is truly changing the world! The ripple effect of sharing these insight and understandings is positively influencing so many more than we can imagine ✨
Life is a dynamic process, to bring awareness to this and how we orientate into reality, could be seen as evolved yoga.His awareness is inspiring!! We are in an unfolding dynamic process that requires attention, within this space is the potential to heal, to connect, into ourselves, each other, nature and ultimately into wholeness. There’s no frills with Ido, he’s zen without trying to be zen, he’s a yogi without trying to be a yogi. He’s learning to surf reality, this interview is rad !!!!! No pretence, just real-time.
Hmm unsure what to make of this episode tbh. There were some interesting ideas for sure but the thread of conversation was quite hard to follow and quite jarring compared to the usual delivery, which I find fantastic btw. I suppose it does well to keep an open mind.
As a medical doctor (neurologist and psychiatrist), whose job is to observe human beings, I have to share my Eindruck: I find this man not completely mentally in Ordnung. He shows symptoms of mental issues. I would be very interested, to discuss this further, if anyone is interested. He has little to no affect, and the speaking isn't normal. He could be damaging people, who goes eagerly to him, to "learn" He definitely should be examined by psychiatrists. Er lebt ganz offensichtlich in seiner fast wahnhaften Welt. Ob es sich bei ihm um einfach eine Grunderkrankung handelt, oder durch/nach Sunstanzabusus ist noch differentialdiagnostisch zu klären. P.S.: and dear Andrew, from observing you I'd just say: no matter how much enthusiasm you have for someone, TRY TO STAY OBJECTIVE. You were here like some innocent child listening to a guru! I would definitely NOT call this man an intellectual. At most smart.
As a martial artist and dancer/teacher (argentine tango and Latin rhythms), I would love to hear more ideas and discoveries about movement and neuroscience, also biochemistry while doing these activities. I have been exploring these fields for 2 decades and found some very interesting things. Thank you
I appreciate this offer of knowledge that ties together so much of the scientific and the romantic , acknowledging the whole essence of a living being. Fascinating. I can’t say I understand everything but the parts I do recognize , stimulate my mind and motivate me to reflect more deeply about practical ways in which this knowledge applies to life. Thank you 🙏 for sharing
This was beautiful. Especially due to your willingness to openly and mindfuly ''take in'' what Ido had to say. I am in awe of the humblness with which you approached this discussion and your ability to ''translate'' and apply his conepts and practice based knowledge into a more scientific discourse.
Being mindful of my movement has really helped me begin to recover from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. I call it couch yoga 😂 I’m also legally blind now from optic nerve drusen 🙄 and brain swelling from the RMSF. My 🧠 is doing much better. Thank you for all the great information 🤗
I have never heard of Ido before this interview, I find myself "working" to understand his concepts. I am however, only early in the interview still..I am interested in learning what this idea of movement practice is...so I am going to continue on listening, pausing to internalize what I think he means, then keep listening. I think that if he is on this podcast, he must be very interesting and valuable. 💗
@@lindsayhaskins2848 Absolutely, he completely changed the way I see movement, training & my outlook to my body. He used to train Conor Mcgregor, I feel one of the reasons Conor has been going down a more visual , ego driven route is because he hasn't trained with Ido for some years.
This was BY FAR THE most interesting and inspiring interview I ever seen/ heard. I recognize myself in Ido - the anti specialist of movement. Incredible man. I am so glad there are people like him alive and energizing the world. THANK YOU Hubermann for picking this topic and this man!!! I love your reports, but THIS was special...
I'd be interested too. At 62 it's so hard to know what to do movement wise. A lot is difficult if you're limited due to pain and all those other things that happen as you age.
@@RoedhamHouseRanch if you’re in New York, I teach an open level stretch class that equally emphasizes mental state mobility and physical. I have plenty of seniors much older than you as well as pro dancers in class so it’s for everyone and all bodies!
I love this podcast. I have improved my body following Ido's work. Some of the thoughts that I loved in this podcast are: the entry of movement; movement being an open entity where the practitioner goes from doing" movements" as they walked towards " movement" . The concept of evolution- I have always thought the same thing. What drives the species is it is ability to change and orientate. The concept of unique postures and always seek to learn more, if I understood clearly and lastly the Moshe Feldenkrais idea of nervous system, environment, muscular structure and skeletons being connected structures that are in constant communication. A good book to read is Moshe Feldenkrais's elusive obvious. Thank you gentlemen.
I HAD to watch this twice today! Learned so much from this and definitely inspired me to keep learning more about movement and keep playing while working out. Thank Dr. Huberman and Mr. Portal! Lifetime of knowledge and definitely lots of inspiration
I have to admit I was not totally convinced of the usefulness of this information but the more I listened and the more I understood the more it made a lot of sense and yet again I’m very thankful for this podcast, and I experienced a much needed reminder to myself to try to understand before judgement .
Your constant conversation and informative discussions that you selflessly share with the rest of the world is priceless, I imagine there are many of us that have made amazing and positive changes as a result of this discourse,much appreciated. It is people like you that deserve the accolades for giving back to humanity.
This has changed my life. This is what I can concretely changed my thinking as a a clinical about chronic pain and addressing the root problem as opposed to the pain present by inducing fill movement and neural activation at the same time.
After reading the comments I can see Andrew has spoiled us because he never wastes a moment when he is teaching us. There are many ways of learning. I say we enjoy this round about approach.
Please consider doing an episode on Tinnitus. I have developed it from Covid, looking for ways to understand and manage. Want to understand what aspects are physical vs neurological (tho I understand in the past you’ve argued that nerves are also physical and that distinction is perhaps not entirely clear). Mechanisms. And as always ways to manage, both behavioral and supplemental.
I have tinnitus from abusing my ears with loud music. Thought at the time it was almost life threatening but my brain adapted to it to the point where I don’t even know it’s there anymore unless I think about it. Usually thought about when stressed. Hope this helps
Replacing the habit of watching social media or gaming after lunch with listening to podcasts and going for a walk. Couldn't have been a more apt video. Movement is indeed fascinating and necessary
Ido Portal attempts to develop his movement capabilities in as wide a domain as is possible. This involves developing all the core physical attributes (strength, speed, power, coordination e.t.c) and afterwords more subtle ones such as softness, timing e.t.c In order to do this, he always looks for his weakest area and deliberately devises tasks/challenges/practices to develop here. The reason why he can seem to sound vague is that he is much further along the path than most so that it is difficult to relate. Like a child that has never heard of math being thrown into calculus class. I would advise reading all his posts online, beginning from the oldest posts where he talks of more basic topics such as getting stronger and advancing to more complex topics from there. Hope this helps.
43:20 I think about how a mother talks to their child just above their capability/capacity for language to facilitate growth. Movement is a language, and we can sorta "mother ourselves" with enough honesty and self awareness. I'm loving this talk btw 🙏💯
What an utterly beautiful episode, your conversation went in so many directions I wasn't expecting. You have both caused much movement in me - in both thoughts and delight! As a poet, I was particularly fascinated by Ido's thoughts on the movement of language. This is the first of your podcasts episodes I know I have to listen to again, almost immediately. I've already been writing some poems inspired by previous episodes, I think more will come from today's. Thank you both!
Wow this conversation really blew my mind. Spoke to something deep in me. I'm feeling really impacted & still processing days after stumbling upon this. Thank you for bringing this out to the world.
