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IDRIVEACLASSIC reviews: 80s Talbot Solara Rapier (Simca 1510/Talbot Alpine) 

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If you're hard of hearing, this is what I'm discussing on the walkaround
Today’s review falls into that trap: you either think this is a classic car or you think it’s a load of rubbish which deserves to be used, scrapped and forgotten about.
Personally, it’s a bit modern for me, but with it being such a rare car, I decided it deserved a spot on IDRIVEACLASSIC.
Now before we kick off talking about the car, let’s discuss what Talbot was all about. Talbot was launched in 1903 as Clement Talbot but after a year pumped for just Talbot, which were a company in London assembling the components of the French Clement-Bayard cars. It existed until 1934 when it had a financial collapse at which point it was bought out by Rootes and then it was sold onto Simca, who were bought by Chrysler Europe in 1970.
It was then all packaged up by Chrysler when their marques were sold onto PSA Peugeot Citroen in 1978 - which then put the name into use for any car formerly badged Chrysler in the UK for any car sold after 1st August 1979.
This meant the last of the Avengers got badged as Talbot until 1981.
And then with that, The Talbot Solara was launched in 1980 in the UK, but if you’re watching from France, you probably know this as a Simca 1510. It was essentially brought to market to fight for space in the UK fleet and travelling salesman marketplace, hence why it’s a bit sensible and a saloon to boot. It was also drafted in to replace the, in my opinion, more stylish Hillman Avenger.
The Solara came about from a jazz up of the Chrysler Alpine of the 70s which had been sold with the 1.3, 1.4 and 1.6 engine types and a fastback/coupe styling.
The facelift saw the Solara launched as a 4 door saloon alongside the facelift Talbot Alpine. If you’d wanted any other body shape, the Chrysler team would’ve expected you to pick the newly facelift Alpine.
It’s worth mentioning that the designer of the Alpine which then of course influenced the Solara is none other than Roy Axe who started at Chrysler working on things like the Sunbeam Rapier and Hillman Hunter, but moved over to Rover in the 80s and designed both the Rover 800 and the Rover 200 and 400 series and was jointly involved in the design of the Montego.
As we aren’t able to take the car for a drive today, I thought I’d share some specs with you. These cars were only available in the UK market on a 1.3 and 1.6 petrol engine and on your 1.3 you’d expect 0-60 in around 14.6 seconds and a top speed of 96mph - with your 1.6 performing above this - but I sadly couldn’t find a reference for precise figures.
Talbot wasn’t a dominant market name and the salesmen and buying public already had a firm idea of which car manufacturers they liked, which meant that although the Solara was pretty successful, the Cavalier and Cortina really held their market share and that’s without mentioning both Ford and GM offered far more choice for the discerning buyer than just two engine options. Realistically, massive opportunities were missed for the Solara by deciding not to go for a 2 litre engine.
Which leads me nicely on to explain the Solara Rapier. As the 80s marched on and the team over at Chrysler realised that the Solara was being thrashed by the competition, including the Sierra which had launched in 1982, they decided to come up with a few special editions to try and revive some interest.
This led to the introduction of the Solara Minx, Rapier and Spectre. The naming conventions were simply down to trim level and Rapier was the top trim level available.
Now sadly, despite healthy early sales of the Talbot marques when the name was launched in the UK in 1979, it just didn’t make it. The name was quietly shelved in the mid 80s and stopped being used in 1987 on new cars when the production of the Horizon finished. However it’s worth noting the Talbot Express vans continued being made until 1994 - which is officially when the marque ceased to exist.
Now let’s meet Simon, who dug up this relic from a garage and intends to bring it a small screen near you…

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@doktoruzo
@doktoruzo 3 года назад
It is most definitely IS a classic and should be saved.
@julianw1627
@julianw1627 3 года назад
In the same way the Tata Indica with Rover badges is a classic. Keep one as a curio for some oddball museum and crush every other sorry specimen to save our sanity.........
@nnnormski2208
@nnnormski2208 3 года назад
There is a railway bridge , close to the the former Peugeot/Talbot plant in Linwood , Paisley , that still has an advert for the company clearly visible with “ Home of the Sunbeam & Avenger “ written on it.
@gc5384
@gc5384 3 года назад
That's interesting . Thanks for that need to have a look sometime
@75maxdv35
@75maxdv35 3 года назад
The causal cigarette in the boot is the most 80s thing ever
@anthonygregg862
@anthonygregg862 3 года назад
My dad worked for talbot/peugeot and had one of these as a demonstrator. I then had a Horizon as my first car. This brings back happy memories. Thanks Steph
@gyost8147
@gyost8147 3 года назад
My dad worked at Chrysler Plymouth dealer in the US that also sold Simcas and English Chryslers (Avenger as a Cricket...). I knew many people who owned them and I was allowed to drive the cars that had been traded in when helping move parts on the back lot of the dealership. I remember when the Solara/Alpine/1510 were new and reading the reviews. Some people loved them but there always seemed to be a dedicated group that hated anything made after Chrysler took over Rootes group/Simca until the end of the Talbot name. I ended up owning a US version of the Horizon as the first car I bought.
@Drdee1
@Drdee1 3 года назад
Hello Steph, I grew up in the 80s in Birmingham near to Coventry where a lot of Talbots were made. My Dad had a Horizon - not the greatest car in the world, but we liked it! Solara's were a common sight on the streets, but died away pretty quickly while the Cortina carried on. Here's a challenge for you - find a Talbot Tagora , Talbot's Granada equivalent
@mikewysko2268
@mikewysko2268 3 года назад
The UK market had so many interesting small cars that were not available here in the USA. I find the unique style of the 1950-1960s British cars the most appealing. Well done Steph!
@shepshepherd
@shepshepherd 3 года назад
In my eyes, Solaras are very stylish, especially the two-tone models. It's a real shame that so very few survive these days.
@graemew7001
@graemew7001 3 года назад
Its such a shame that this car isn't going to be recommisioned and used again, its in really decent condition and so rare. I always preferred the Solara to the Alpine. (Added later) Steph you do make a valid point there about a few Winter's, so as long as its preserved that's all that matters.
@graemew7001
@graemew7001 3 года назад
@Paulie Gualtieri Well if the rust is kept on top off then there's no reason why not but I suppose so long as it exists thats all that counts.
@huwdavies6650
@huwdavies6650 3 года назад
I learnt to drive on my father's Solara Minx. A much underrated car that handled pretty well and was extremely comfortable. The biggest issue with them was the Scimca based engines while quite powerful for their capacity had a tendency to get a bit tappety after a few years. That one however sounds quite smooth. When Peugeot carried the 1.3 over to the Talbot Arizona which became the 309 they modified something in the timing gear to make the engine a lot smoother.
@Jaxs2
@Jaxs2 3 года назад
I'm in total shock it hasn't rotted away, them Talbot's used to see water and desolve , it's astonishing ☺
@stuartwilkie4887
@stuartwilkie4887 3 года назад
I think they had it sorted out by about 1985 - as did everyone else. My 1985 (sorry Fiat Regata) didn't have a drop of rust on it except for a poorly resprayed door panel.
@simonblake5563
@simonblake5563 3 года назад
I live in New Zealand, the rustproofing was very good, Even today you still find rust free Alpines
@stuartwilkie4887
@stuartwilkie4887 3 года назад
A guy from NZ once explained to me how they gave cars extra rust proofing. In the UK Ziebart rust proofing was an aftermarket treatment. In the early 90s it was very clear to see which ones had been done. The breakthrough year for these cars from the factory in Europe was around 1981. In about 1990 there were almost no 1979 cars left, but plenty of '82s. On a differemt note the last of these were given special edition names the Minx and Rapier in 1986.
@GreyTheFloydianSergal
@GreyTheFloydianSergal 3 года назад
my Alpine minx only needed minor welding after ten years off the road in the elements & in any case, all cars rotted before the nineties. Talbots were no worse than any other car from the era
@Jaxs2
@Jaxs2 3 года назад
I'm pleased some people have had a more positive experience than myself 👍 (The rot on my car was extreme it didn't seem normal I had never experienced it neither before nor since thank goodness)
@AQUAHOLIC
@AQUAHOLIC 3 года назад
You should see whether you can find a Talbot Tagora next - its 'executive' car! Now that is a rare beast.
@TheDarkPhoenix23
@TheDarkPhoenix23 3 года назад
You're right about the "trap" of classic cars. I live in the state of Pennsylvania, USA and our dept of motor vehicles lists a classic car as being 15 years or older, and an antique as 20 years and older. I'm pretty comfortable with that range, so that's what I personally choose to go by. Another thing that I believe alters our perceptions of what's a "classic" is our age. For instance, if you grew up seeing a ton of brand new, we'll say Ford Cortinas on the road, then it's something you've aged with and therefore don't really perceive it as a classic or antique car because you've become accustomed to them being common. I think perhaps it's because we don't want to consider ourselves as classic or antique that we often get the pushback about certain ages of cars and their classifications.
@fruitychink
@fruitychink 3 года назад
My memory was a dreadful tappety engine and serial corrosion. I had a Simca 1501 which was a better car but my Dad had a Talbot as a company car and hated it ......he had an Avenger before that which he did like . Great video as always .
@alanhunter2051
@alanhunter2051 3 года назад
Yes the 1301 and the 1501 were far superior cars in every way. I crashed my dads 1301 into the caravan which was wreaked and made into a trailer.. the Simca had a tiny ding on the bonnet and a twist to the bumper.
@07wmtc
@07wmtc 3 года назад
@@alanhunter2051 I don't think they had better comfort, road handling, and performance, and even better safety, than the 1307/Alpine.......
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 3 года назад
There’s no denying that it is a good looking car - very clean styling, and for a short while, way ahead of the Cortina and Cavalier. It’s a pity it wasn’t replaced. Nice car.
@RetroRatz
@RetroRatz 3 года назад
I love the Retro 80s squareness of this! Also the two tone paint work 👌♥️🚗
@sambone8194
@sambone8194 3 года назад
As an American Chrysler fan, these cars are fascinating. I'd love to have a Solara, Tagora, and Horizon to play with!
@stanwbaker
@stanwbaker 3 года назад
And to think this might have been ours in lieu of the Plymouth Reliant.
@eggy1962
@eggy1962 3 года назад
I had a horizon thankfully mine had the pug 1.9 non turbo engine, it was quieter than the petrols and had great economy
@julienbee3467
@julienbee3467 3 года назад
@@eggy1962 was it fun to drive ?
@eggy1962
@eggy1962 3 года назад
Julien Bee it was ok no ball of fire but very economical and practical , i also towed my trailer full of disco gear. My sister had a tired 1.3 petrol which she loved but the engine was rubbish.. Btw mine lasted for many years after i sold it .it ran till rust killed it, the pug xud engine was still good
@gti505
@gti505 3 года назад
I have both a Solara AND a Tagora. Driven the Tagora today.
@peterweaver5919
@peterweaver5919 3 года назад
Wow, that took me a trip down memory lane. Served part of my apprenticeship at a Peugeot/Talbot dealer. Worked on many a Solara, Alpine, Horizon and Tagora. Yeah, that engine was noisy on the top end. Set the tappets and 500 miles later they'd be rattling like a bag of spanners. Fond memories, cheers for that.
@TheStobb50
@TheStobb50 3 года назад
Every car needs to Remembered just one turning of the page in the history of the car
@avtomad722
@avtomad722 3 года назад
Thank you Steph from another great upload, great presenter and you keep uncovering these forgotten relics from my childhood and it's fascinating. Amazing this survived at all really, I remember growing up as a kid in Surrey and these were usually driven by old ladies with blue rinse hair-dos!
@jeromeoc200
@jeromeoc200 3 года назад
Thanks Steph, this brings back good childhood memories!
@RichieRouge206
@RichieRouge206 3 года назад
Really lovely to see it! So incredibly rare! Great and sympathetic test Steph!
@glmm2001
@glmm2001 3 года назад
As a little kid, I found the Solara very beautiful. An uncle had the Solara Escorial, the loaded model for the Spanish market sold by the end of its life and, while good looking, suspension was quite soft and it had no aircon, being really hot inside! Same for my dad´s 1978 Talbot 150, Alpine in teh UK
@legionnairegonk4425
@legionnairegonk4425 3 года назад
My dad had a Solara after he had had an Alpine. He was a hatchback man, so a saloon was a new thing. He had a nice gold HLS model I think it was ( one below top of range SX ). I remember two things: the annoying on board 'computer' that was pointless, and the (for us) revolutionary electric front windows which my mum started a row about after she accused my dad of showing off with them when he used them - "how else I am going to get the bloody windows down...!" came his reply. Silence ensued for rest of journey..... Needless to say a divorce was not many years away 😁.
@markkimberley3083
@markkimberley3083 3 года назад
Nice job Steph good to see you not afraid to be out of your comfort zone keep up the good work
@joepublic200
@joepublic200 3 года назад
I had a Talbot Alpine Rapier (C143RPF), that Peugeot gearbox, also used in the 309, was awful! Demisting the windscreen in winter was torturous. Thanks for the trip down Memory Lane!
@stuartarundale6219
@stuartarundale6219 3 года назад
Ahhh my first motor was a 1980 solara. I absolutely loved it, did some crazy miles in it. The styling appealed to me then like it does today, clean, sharp and lots of glass. It was comfy too, despite it's tappety engine, and floppy gear change. It never actually left us stranded though. I only ever saw one Tagora in the flesh, in about 1990, it was the top car in a stack of four in a scrap yard :(
@jaggass
@jaggass 3 года назад
I just about remember Solara's. It looks like a cross between an Audi 80, Austin Ambassador/Ford Granada mk2 and a Volvo 360. The Talbot logo was similar to the BT logo at somepoint.
@vazza7504
@vazza7504 3 года назад
In the very early 80's I bought a 1.5 litre chrysler alpine in red. TUV 153S was a badly neglected car, 1978 model that in early 1982 when I rescued it from the scrapyard looked 25 years old with 40 years of rust on it. :-( I was only 18 at the time and was excited to own any car at all. A neighbour was scrapping a purple 1.5 alpine so I bought the car off of him for £20.00. The gearbox replaced my bad broken box. They all have trouble selecting first gear. Nearly all the bolts snapped like a carrot when I tried to undo them. I then discovered easy outs for the first time, holes quickly drilled and easy outs did there job of removing the offending bolts made of Swiss cheese I think. Linkage changed too, much better gear change now!!!! Well better than it was before on the broken box, (jumping out of second gear) radiator was swapped too but that leaked just as bad, had the replacement rad re cored as it seamed in the best condition. Alternator was reconditioned as the spare was knackered too. Whole interior including door cards was changed too, immaculate condition and same colour. Garage set the tappets and it sounded quiet for the first time ever I think, actually whistled in a nice way. Garage mechanic told me it would be a quick car but told me inner and outer sills plus sections of the floor where it joined the sill needed replacing. Gave me a fair price of £90.00 to fix all the rust, brakes were borderline so he replaced all the flexi hoses, some of the brake lines, and fitted new pads and rear shoes. Handbrake cable and mechanism. Passed its MOT and was running lovely at last. I did notice how quick a car it was for a 1.5 when I easily pulled away from a friend's 2.0 mk1 Capri. He was gutted my ordinary looking Chrysler Alpine left his gorgeous Capri behind. I was getting the engine oil and filter changed at the garage that did all the work for its MOT, told him how it beat the Capri in the traffic light Grand Prix. He was not surprised and said the engine had an angled cylinder head so the fuel went through better, the standard exhaust was quite sporty too. Also he told me and I took his word for it that the cylinder head was a cross flow head. Standard head but crossflow. :-) I actually loved that car. It ended sadly one night having a drive around the Cronton area, the radiator I had re cored came away from one of the 3 bolts that held it in place (Swiss cheese bolts strike again). It fell onto a part of the wiring loom that ran below it causing a short which caused an engine bay fire, totally burnt out the engine bay before the fire brigade put it out. :-( sad end to my Chrysler Alpine. Rip TUV153S :-( bought a Rover P5 straight 6 after that, proper planetary gear overdrive. 15mpg though. :-( that's another story. Thanks for this vid. :-) Vinny.
@briforks7681
@briforks7681 3 года назад
That engine was quieter than I remember,those simca engines gave good performance and economy but were known for sounding quite noisy which put a lot of people off.
@kennethcroll6972
@kennethcroll6972 3 года назад
yip the tappets needed doing all the time
@pit_stop77
@pit_stop77 3 года назад
Yes, I remember mine was rattley, but it never stopped it going 🤣
@kennethcroll6972
@kennethcroll6972 3 года назад
@@pit_stop77 very true
@jonost24
@jonost24 3 года назад
The tapping Talbot. I had a 1.3 GL 1978 Chrysler Alpine. No matter what you did, you couldn't silence those tappets. A complete rotbox, but a very reliable car, and would start in any weather condition.
@martinhypnosmith3416
@martinhypnosmith3416 7 месяцев назад
My first car was a 1984 Talbot Alpine (hatchback of Solara). My father bought it new and gifted it to me 9 years later. With 105k on the clock I still have it garaged and awaiting a tidy up! The engine noise in the video was quite normal, the joyful sound of a high ish reving pushrod engine that suffered from tappet wear. Curiously those air vents weren't so adjustable, the middle two only being fresh air delivered by ram effect with no temp control.
@christmassnow3465
@christmassnow3465 3 года назад
I remember my neighbor had a Simca Chrysler station. As a passenger at the front seat, the oversized gearbox meant I had no legroom. I sat with my left leg bent to the right , which was awkward, and often painful at long rides.
@tobeycat2007
@tobeycat2007 3 года назад
Interesting review , you mentioned the Avenger in it, we had 3 of them be good to see a review of one of those, very popular cars back in the 70s.
@davewilliams7565
@davewilliams7565 Год назад
My Dad had 2 company car Solaras! An orange 1980 and then a 1984 (registered 1985) red Solara Minx B810 WNC. I learnt to drive in the Minx. it was a 1.6 with 90bhp Peugeot twin choke Weber carb engine (XU5 I think) and would keep up with XR2s! So possible sub 10s to 60mph and got 110/115mph top end It had torsion bar front suspension and power steering. No rear anti roll bar and found it cornered flatter with the handbrake slightly applied. The idle jets on the carb used to block regularly so it cut out when pushing the clutch in, so you lost the power steering going round corners. Sold it at over 160k miles on the clock. Brings back memories from nearly 30 years ago! Love the glass coolant expansion tank!
@alistairvenning7329
@alistairvenning7329 Год назад
My dad had one of these,omg how comfortable was it,absolutely lovely,not see one on the road for years
@discerningmind
@discerningmind 3 года назад
Thanks Steph, and as always I enjoyed this. The exhaust has a wonderful note to it. Wonderful sounding exhaust's seem to be an English thing to this American. I'm recalling the beautiful note of my '77 MGB. And other English car's I've had the pleasure of hearing.
@andrewentwistle515
@andrewentwistle515 3 года назад
Omg that takes me back to my child hood. We had the Alpine version in Orange. I certainly enjoyed being in the car. What a great example of a rare motor, I wish I could own one.
@zebedep
@zebedep 3 года назад
I've not seen one of these in a while - what a great find!!
@bonkeydollocks1879
@bonkeydollocks1879 3 года назад
Had one for my first and second cars, first one a 1977 R registration in poo brown and the second one a 1978 T registration in metallic blue with WHITE bumpers. Boy did I have some fun in them, this was mid 80s, me and my mates went all over the place in it, then when i met my girlfriend it became our passion wagon. Great Times blasting out Lloyd Cole and the commotion, the smiths and Duran Duran. It rattled like two skeletons bonking, smoked like a chimney and was as rotten as a pear but your first car is always a special car and I remember it with fondness.
@timbutterworth2350
@timbutterworth2350 3 года назад
An interesting one this. My dad had one. A 1983 on a A plate. It was a series 2 LS model with the same 1.6 engine. Power steering and a five speed gearbox so well specified for the time. Rust always a problem even when fairly new. The wipers would self park so a fault with the one you showed. Not a bad car and definitely underated.
@davidc2d
@davidc2d 3 года назад
Such memories. My first ( and second) cars were red 1.6 Talbot Solaras. Y reg 4 speed, then B reg 5 speed. Both LS models.
@simonblake5563
@simonblake5563 3 года назад
Brilliant! Great car, Lovely handling. Thank you so much. The Solara was a very important car for Peugeot. Basically they replace the talbot bits with Peugeot bits (the 2litre motor and suspension) updated the body and called it the 405!
@edwardkennedy9919
@edwardkennedy9919 3 года назад
The engines sounded like a bag of chisels. CHRYSLER RUINED THE ROOTES CAR GROUP.
@GreyTheFloydianSergal
@GreyTheFloydianSergal 3 года назад
technically speaking it was more Simca that ruined Rootes, Chrysler just managed the books pretty much. Also, coming from someone who owns an Alpine, they're no more tappety than any other pushrod engine from the era & can be tweaked to be near silent
@stuartwilkie4887
@stuartwilkie4887 3 года назад
@@GreyTheFloydianSergal I've always wondered about that. What technically speaking made them do that? I don't remember the later ones sounding so bad, but the pre-1980's ones all seemed to do it.
@Locost59
@Locost59 3 года назад
@@GreyTheFloydianSergal Me and my brother had three. We tried the tappets over and over on the worst and couldn't get them to sound OK. It turns out the camshafts and followers would wear prematurely. The clatter was horribly loud. Bluntly they are a _LOT_ worse than other pushrod engines of the time, which is a shame because in many respects (not the gearbox) they were reasonably good cars for their time.
@07wmtc
@07wmtc 3 года назад
@@GreyTheFloydianSergal How come SIMCA Ruined Rootes? Since SIMCA even in FRANCE, had to follow Chrysler rules. Chrysler didn't let SIMCA do what they wanted to, for instance Chrysler didn't want to launch the 1100, on top of that on those tappety engine, SIMCA back then was about to put a chain tensioner to make it quieter, but Chrysler didn't want that, because it cost 1 dollar per car more.
@edwardkennedy9919
@edwardkennedy9919 3 года назад
@@Locost59 that's what I'm saying very noisy tappits, I owned a datsun 120y it was a pushrod engine but so quiet you could only hear a whisper from fan belt movement.
@fostexfan160
@fostexfan160 Год назад
I had one in the early 90's with the exact same colour scheme. Great car, very reliable and very comfortable. The weak points were the front drive shafts and their CV joints, changed about 3 of them.
@StBlazeyModelWorld
@StBlazeyModelWorld 3 года назад
Oh my, I had one of these. Great video, gorgeous presenter x
@kwikbit
@kwikbit 2 года назад
Great - thanks for that - filled a nostalgia need ! I learned to drive on a blue Y -plate (GL I think). Eventually my folks let me have it (it was about 8-10 years old by then I think) and so it was my first car. Drove over 100K miles on it (over 200K in total for the car - 2 learner drivers and still the original clutch) before eventually I had to change it.... Definitely a classic !
@slepycitron
@slepycitron 3 года назад
We had the Alpine. 14 years in the family. Wonderful car.
@MGBetts1
@MGBetts1 3 года назад
I had one of these back in the day, as did my next-door neighbour. I'm sure the wipers are faulty on this one, because I'd have remembered them parking where they shouldn't.
@MGBetts1
@MGBetts1 3 года назад
Grey The Floydian Sergal, the owner of Annie the Alpine will be able to confirm this.
@Mancozeb100
@Mancozeb100 3 года назад
No - they’re faulty. Pretty well every mainstream brand, built after 1960, had self-parking wipers.
@Howlingd0g
@Howlingd0g 3 года назад
@@MGBetts1 Why am I not surprised to see Grey's name appear in a video about an old Talbot? 😂
@MGBetts1
@MGBetts1 3 года назад
@@Howlingd0g Because Annie the Alpine is famous!
@Howlingd0g
@Howlingd0g 3 года назад
@@MGBetts1 Oh really? I didn't know that but I'm glad to hear it all the same!
@11carbuff19572011
@11carbuff19572011 3 года назад
I love that car. Really do. I loved the Alpine from when it first came out as well, it was Car of the Year for 1976 as I recall it being. Love your great car reviews still Steph, you do it a darn sight better than those lunatics Clarkson, Hammond et al.
@colinpratt3399
@colinpratt3399 Год назад
I use to work at the factory in Ryton near Coventry where these were made. Also had a solara sx. Loved it.
@gryfandjane
@gryfandjane 3 года назад
What an interesting survivor... a true time capsule. Thanks for another good one, Steph!
@robertngreen6
@robertngreen6 3 года назад
Would love to see this back on the road. So few remain but they are quite charming.
@Naebothernosey
@Naebothernosey 3 года назад
I've always liked seemingly innocuous eighties saloons - the Volvo 340, the Ford Orion, and these. Disappointed to see that there's so few left, I'd found one for sale in the last couple of years but didn't go for it. Also on the hunt for a Fiat Regata to add go my Volvo 340 and 360, but I know they're just as rare as the Solara is. Was good seeing this one.
@avtomad722
@avtomad722 3 года назад
*I think the last Talbot badged car was the Peugeot 104 based Samba that lasted up until 1986
@Channel205UK
@Channel205UK 3 года назад
Your correct about the Samba wearing the badge, however the body was not the same as it had a different skin on the 104Z shell.
@nangar2550
@nangar2550 3 года назад
In France, we say that the real last Talbot was ... The Peugeot 309. Even it was never branded Talbot. "The 309 had been conceived as Projet C28 as a replacement for the Talbot Horizon, and as a result its development had been performed by the former Chrysler/Simca wing of PSA. Styling was the responsibility of the former Chrysler-Rootes design studios in Coventry, whilst much of the engineering was done at the Simca site at Poissy in France. The only stipulation from PSA management was that the new car had to use as much existing architecture as possible; hence the use of a stretched Peugeot 205 floorpan and door shells, whilst the Simca engines and transmissions from the Horizon were also carried over."
@avtomad722
@avtomad722 3 года назад
@@nangar2550 I've read a lot about the Talbot Arizona project, and I certainly agree with you. I think in the long term it was probably better the way it turned out, look how well Peugeot are doing now!
@ABCDEF-yf4yu
@ABCDEF-yf4yu 3 года назад
The Talbot Solara was introduced as the saloon version of the Talbot Alpine hatchback previously Chrysler. But I would say it was the replacement for the Hillman Hunter. The Hunter was launched in 1966 with the more upmarket Singer Vogue with the bigger engine. In 1967 came the Hillman Minx and Singer Gazelle with the smaller engine, and also the big engined luxury Humber Sceptre and coupe models, Sunbeam Rapier and the cheaper Alpine. By 1970 the Minx and Gazelle were dropped, and the Vogue continued briefly as the Sunbeam Vogue. The Hunter Sceptre and Sunbeam coupes continued until 1976 after the Anglo French Chrysler Alpine appeared called Simca outside Britain, but the Hunter was still available in small numbers as the Chrysler Hunter until 1979. The Chrysler/Talbot Alpine/Solara have almost vanished in Britain, only a handful survive particularly the late 1985 limited edition Minx and Rapier models.
@waynecrothers9441
@waynecrothers9441 Год назад
My dad had a hillman hunter for years, resprayed from original light blue to a beautiful deep blue metallic, that car served our wee family so very well.... Sometimes I wish I could go back to those simple carefree days but I'm lucky, I'm just turned 50 and still have both my parents, I dread losing them, I never married but left home at 18,although my folks are divorced 30yrs man I will miss them terribly.... Sorry didn't intend delving so deep.... The hunter was a great car 😊❤
@PaulinesPastimes
@PaulinesPastimes 3 года назад
More 80s goodness. It seems to be in very good condition and the interior is very nice too. It has to be saved for sure. Really good review. Cheers
@MegaBreadvan
@MegaBreadvan 3 года назад
Will watch the video fully later (am working LOL), but have just seen a bit of it. Cars can bring back memories can't they? For me, this Solara's paint job is identical to a car which knocked me off my bike when I was 16 (I broke my leg). Then when I saw the reg "JU", it was a bit weird. This is a Leicestershire reg mark - where I'm from originally and where the accident happened. Sounds a bit of a strange comment, but it is just so odd that when you see a car - it makes your mind jump to events in the past. I would doubt this was the actual car... but that would be funny, wouldn't it? Keep up the good work Steph!
@mr.dmr.d9348
@mr.dmr.d9348 3 года назад
A guy I worked with purchased one of these of an old couple....as he needed cheap car fast, He paid $200 for it and it was absolutely immaculate with only 26,000 miles on it, They must have taken great care of it as it was an A Reg Light met-Blue with powder-Blue valour interior n brown plastic fittings. When me and my mates where young we used to laugh at anything that was not Ford,Vaxhall,Rover, Peugeot ect.... You know not mainstream ?? But I love to see cars like this get rescued now, I would love a hot little Sunbeam now. Thanks......(:
@gc5384
@gc5384 3 года назад
Another good one Steph hope all is well
@darrensmith6999
@darrensmith6999 3 года назад
Thanks Steph (: Had one of these in 1987 we had a really bad winter back then and my Solara ploughed on like a tank nothing would stop it Haha. The gear linkage and pushrod Simca engine are pants however car handled well enough though and is roomy. There was a larger Talbot as well called the Tagora don't suppose there will be many of these left either ):
@leeallen7491
@leeallen7491 3 года назад
Ain't seen a Tagora for years
@Harbourmaster68
@Harbourmaster68 3 года назад
Nearly bought a Tagora in 1987 - it was about £800. Loved the styling of that car.
@fatduck3344
@fatduck3344 3 года назад
Wow really cool, never heard of this because I'm in the U.S, really cool review, thanks!
@socialghost4400
@socialghost4400 3 года назад
I remember these from when I was a kid, back then everyone hated them and couldn’t get rid of them fast enough....and because of that, this one needs to be saved
@terryglidden9647
@terryglidden9647 3 года назад
I’m always impressed how drivers in the UK shift gears with their left hand. I know it’s easy for you guys because that’s how you do it but I can’t imagine even trying it without failing miserably 🤣🤣
@mikewysko2268
@mikewysko2268 3 года назад
That had to be very difficult for the Americans driving around the track on Top Gear.
@televisionandcheese
@televisionandcheese 3 года назад
It's not even easy, it's just instinct. You subconsciously reach to the left when you hear the engine revving high and such , and the same thing for you guys on the other side of the road But changing side is not much of an issue! Many people drive south and go through the tunnel or ferry to France , and get to drive a left hand drive car , and after reaching into the door a couple times looking for the gearstick in the wrong direction , it becomes easy and natural using your right hand The real issue from left hand drive cars is you're used to sitting on the right when driving, and you align your car in the lane based on your view. Being on the left makes you end up driving very close to the left edge of the lane as your used to the rest of the car being over there
@Locost59
@Locost59 3 года назад
Even on the first lesson it's easy enough so I'm sure you'd get the hang fast enough. Come on over, rent a car and have a go before they all become automatic.
@patrickgill8231
@patrickgill8231 3 года назад
Lovely cars...good review. Had 2 sunbeams, wrote both off☹, then a horizon. Loved them. Horizon could hold the road like no other. Shocking simca gear box tho. Never had the solara or alpine. Ball joints, track rod ends and engine mounting were always a big prob with them. If only u could find a tagora or a rancho. That would be special. I wonder are there surviving in lreland or England
@jamesgibson5606
@jamesgibson5606 3 года назад
The two tone paintwork is amazing love the interior too
@no1trafford
@no1trafford 3 года назад
There were some pictures of a Solara Rapier posted to the 'cars you don't see anymore' page on Facebook a while back. It was at a supermarket with an elderly couple in who didn't appreciate the attention. They don't realise their car is one of only two on the road.
@michaelclarkson2218
@michaelclarkson2218 2 года назад
I once owned one of these cars in the '80's. I had the 1600GL model. it has got to be one of the most comfortable cars I've ever owned but sadly it suffered from many reliability issues. It was frequently breaking down despite two or three garages looking at it and non of them including a Talbot specialist could trace the fault. It seemed jinxed. The gear change linkage came adrift and the gear lever collapsed on the way home from work one day leaving me stuck all the way home in 2nd gear. I got it fixed only for reverse gear which was unable to be selected and I had to push the car out of my drive. It was a real pain in the butt. The heater never worked properly despite changing the matrix a couple of times. You had to wear an overcoat and gloves in the winter. On the fewer good points was pretty outstanding fuel economy for a 1600cc when it was actually running between breakdowns!! and of cause as I said earlier it had lovely plush seats. A great shame as it was quite a good looking car and very spacious. Very noisy engines though and no power steering.
@tankboyful
@tankboyful 3 года назад
these unusual vehicles seem to find you. no one else but hubnut seems to have that talent. good job and good find hun!
@nickfoord750
@nickfoord750 3 года назад
A work colleague had a Chrysler Alpine back in the mid eighties. To say it was rusty was an understatement. He replaced it with a two year old Galant which was like a Rolls Royce in comparison.
@mattw8332
@mattw8332 3 года назад
I do love a car with a two tone paint job. My parents owned a 1980 Talbot Horizon 1.3 LS in the late 1980s. I didn't much care for it at the time. An Alpine or Solara would have been more preferable.
@seancooke4127
@seancooke4127 3 года назад
I always thought that the Rapier special edition looked good with the two tone paint and of course the use of the Rootes Sunbeam Rapier name. I drove my Boss's Solara 1.3 a few times in the 80s. It went well and was roomy and comfortable. It was well worn but always seemed to start. She leaned quite a lot in the corners but the steering was quite direct. Oh and in sharper bends increased levels of lean would bring on the oil light, probably your dodgy sensor issue because she always seemed to be ok for oil. The little lift up thing for reverse is usually called a collar, as in reverse lift up collar. I think that the collar lifts up a pin to allow the gearshift to move across the gate to reverse. The pin is in place to avoid accidentally selecting reverse while moving forward. I really think that these are rare enough to be classic nowadays.
@O1Richard
@O1Richard 3 года назад
Having been in one and a Talbot Tagora in the 1980’s I can confirm they were comfortable cars, a nice Marta rancho was on sale not long ago. The alpine was copied by Moskvich, a rival to wartburg and lada of their time.
@sl3839
@sl3839 3 года назад
I remember my Solara rev counter needle used to swing from side to side when the indicator was on! Cars don't have that sort of personality anymore.....more's the pity!
@joepublic200
@joepublic200 3 года назад
I think McLaren have taken up the mantle for quality issues now 🤓
@Howlingd0g
@Howlingd0g 3 года назад
What a gorgeous old thing, it would look fantastic sat next to my Proton Saga, two forgotten old budget boxy beauties together. I really hope this one ends up back on the road again soon!
@xsduprwd3937
@xsduprwd3937 3 года назад
Quite a few Saga's survive in NZ. Budget boxy beauties.. brings the Hyundai Stella and Pony to mind!
@Howlingd0g
@Howlingd0g 3 года назад
@@xsduprwd3937 Ah, that's great to know! I actually found a Stellar for sale recently, first one I've seen in well over a decade... it sold very quickly! I'm glad you guys held on to your boxy boys much better than we did here.
@northstar1950
@northstar1950 3 года назад
We a bought a brand new 1.6 in 1980, at the time it was a really good looking car but although it never let us down it did have various little problems like coolant leaks, low oil pressure light on and it went when it used to cut our for no apparent reason usually somewhere really inconvenient.
@1961kickboxer
@1961kickboxer 3 года назад
The engine sounded like a skeleton in a dustbin ,but they were dead reliable ,a nice motor back in the day.
@Seele2015au
@Seele2015au 3 года назад
idriveaclassic The main part of the original London Clement Talbot factory became the Warwick Wright car dealership for many years, now refurbished as an event venue. The original generator room was preserved with a huge plaque on the wall, originally marked "Clement Talbot"; the merger with Sunbeam made the company "Sunbeam Talbot", fortunately "Clement" and "Sunbeam" had the same number of letters.
@sebastienclavel7603
@sebastienclavel7603 3 года назад
My dad had one, good memories, thx for the vid
@gti505
@gti505 3 года назад
I got one, but you should come to the Netherlands to drive it. A Talbot Solara GLS of 23-12-1980. With even SIMCA on the trunk. Original.
@neilhall676
@neilhall676 3 года назад
The Alpines were a common sight on the roads at the time, the Solara not so much. I think these came out later. It’s just an Alpine with a boot. I much prefer the Alpines style. I nearly bought an Alpine 1980, I am glad I didn’t, as somebody has already said these engines sound very tappety after a few years. I bought Japanese instead!! Keep up the good work and stay safe.
@petergouldbourn2312
@petergouldbourn2312 3 года назад
Great video. Pete 🇬🇧
@geoffsullivan4063
@geoffsullivan4063 3 года назад
At first glance I thought it was a ford Granada ghia x ! Looking as stunning as ever steph ! :-)
@carlgriffiths8482
@carlgriffiths8482 2 года назад
Sorry to say I've only Just came across your channel and it's brilliant My parents always only bought Hillmans right through to Talbot Then switched to Rover This and the Horizon were the cars I learned to drive in With my father shouting at me for being to hard on the clutch 😂
@tz6414
@tz6414 3 года назад
Engines too small to compete with Cortina etc. Reps wanted a 1.6 minimum, with a 2.0 option to aspire to. Absolutely agree with your analysis
@grayfool
@grayfool 3 года назад
Now there's a rare one. It looks to be in remarkable condition too. Rust was a huge problem for that whole range. The engine is very quiet too, they often were extremely rattily from the top end. The wipers should self park. Please include any car on your channel if it's as rare as this one. It's great to see all these more ordinary cars from the eighties and earlier as they tend to get ignored by most of the other channels. Yes, I know that Matt, Ed and Ian do a great job too but you can never have too many, and you alll get different stuff. Is it me or are supercars getting boring? Thanks Steph.
@BungleBare
@BungleBare 3 года назад
I can understand the reasoning behind the Solara - the Avenger was old and due to go out of production, so basing its replacement on what they already had (the Alpine) was a sound move. Though maybe a short-term one, as basing it on a car that had been on the market for 6 years already was always going to leave it looking a little dated from the off. The only puzzling thing was why they didn’t develop an estate version too, as the Avenger estate always seemed to sell well. An estate version of the Solara/Alpine could have been a useful addition to the range, and retained a few loyal Avenger estate customers. I always got the impression that the Alpine and Solara were a kind-of odd in-between size of car; not quite the size and price of a Sierra or Cavalier, but bigger than such things as an Orion, Belmont or Acclaim. A bit like the Datsun Stanza, which seemed to be a partial step down size-wise to the Bluebird.
@bromyardcoachouse4876
@bromyardcoachouse4876 2 года назад
Owned an Alpine bought new and drove from Sicily to Portsmouth in 24 hours only used motorway to Naples. Good reliable car with good performance. Mine had the 1450 engine. Only minor comment - very tapety.
@Parknest
@Parknest 3 года назад
This was one of my first cars bought before I'd even passed my test. Mine was a similar colour and was a 1.6 (HJX 909W). I killed that godawful engine and I'd sourced a replacement but I scrapped it before I could arrange to have it fitted.
@gregstory7014
@gregstory7014 3 года назад
My dad inherited a Horizon from my grandad which was trouble free for about 7 years, then he bought a 1.3 Alpine and he hated it! No power and it broke down, a lot! Had it about a year and bought a Carlton from work. By the way, he sold his Cortina 1600e for the Horizon!
@jamesnunley1241
@jamesnunley1241 3 года назад
Nice heater vents yes, but they and the Alpine were renowned for having heaters that just flat out didn't work. Lol I had a little 12 volt hairdryer to demist the screen in winter.
@avocado71
@avocado71 3 года назад
My dad had a Solara 1.6LS, he wrote it off after skidding off the road one night in Church Stretton on the long drive back from South Wales.
@TheFusedplug
@TheFusedplug 3 года назад
I had a Talbot Alpine Sunbeam which is a slightly different but ever much the same which was given to me by my Grandad (I think I owed him £100 for it tbh he was kinda going to scrap it anyway but anyway RIP Grandad who passed away 5 years ago @ 94 followed by my Nan same age 4 DAYS LATER). Thanks for this upload I'm aware that a lot of Talbot badged cars are rare I part exchanged mu one for an Xr2 back in 1999 (Mark 2 XR2) which turned out to be in worse shape than the Talbot Sunbeam Rapier (I'm sure that mine was made by Chrysler though? Something else to research). It's ironic you mentioned the Avenger my Grandad also owned a HILLMAN AVENGER in a beautiful gold colour on the old K plate (1970 at a guess) which he parted company with in or around 1988 -ish but that car which was 1300 cc was SUPERB and very stylish imo. I'm a FORD nut and a Capri lover but an Avenger is a car I'd own "as well as" alongside any Ford I happen to own . (Sorry I'm adding extra text to my comment as the video runs SUBSCRIBED) :)
@neilpiper9889
@neilpiper9889 3 года назад
My friend had Simca 1501 and I had a Simca 1300. Both great cars.
@1961kickboxer
@1961kickboxer 3 года назад
That car is so rare now ,what a beauty.
@carsonbarclay5360
@carsonbarclay5360 3 года назад
What a beautiful car. I had a horizon in the day. So comfortable and easy to drive.
@ethanlittle776
@ethanlittle776 3 года назад
This does deserve to be on the road and used as it was designed but also keeping it for filming is a good way to keep it safe and stop it getting crashed into and damaged out on the road
@philseager1255
@philseager1255 3 года назад
Had an alpine & horizon back in 80's. Alpine was OK with 1.4 engine but horizon had the 1.1 which on trips up to Scotland at the time wasnt the best drive. But as Steph says, spot any of them on road today if you can.
@Bates.Eral1
@Bates.Eral1 3 года назад
good video steph!
@josephmifsud8261
@josephmifsud8261 6 месяцев назад
It's a great survivor. It's a shame it couldn't be driven but it needs to protected however this is done. I remember seeing an Alpine in the exact colours at a car show a few years ago and it is a classic
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