I have heard it, time, and time again...'Bruce Lee was overrated'. But was he, or is there some form of jealousy lurking? Let us know what you really think.
There are plenty of martial artists after Bruce Lee who were just as good. His son Brandon Lee,Jean Claude Van Damme,Dolph Lundgren,Jet Li,Tony Jaa,Jackie Chan,Donnie Yen,MJW,Chuck Norris,Jeff Speaksman,Jason Statham... I would say Scott Adkins is the best martial artist i've ever seen in movies. Who was better we will never know because we have never seen them fighting Bruce. I think anyone of these i mentioned are capable of beating Bruce Lee and there are no fake records about them,people know all they do is movies just like Bruce and there is no reason to think he was invincible other than be a great fan of him. I am a fan of Van Damme but i don't think he is invincible,i think he is very good.
Reg Great post. Being of chinese origin myself my uncle who is older than Bruce and was raised there said there were some masters in China who had superior skills/knowledge (not necessarily superior in speed) to Bruce but remained unknown because it wasn't their ambition to be world champion or movie stars. It's deep knowledge etc of martial arts passed down generations and hundreds of years. Stuff that won't be taught in any western dojo. When I went to China years ago I saw some physical feats that I wouldn't believe if I didn't see it myself. However in the known world from the 40+ years I've seen in martial arts I've never seen anyone as fast, balanced, agile or as conditioned as Bruce.
Bruce Lee had the greatest combination of physical gifts as well as mental gifts. He had speed and power but also skill and reflexes. There are many legends in martial arts history, but Bruce Lee is the greatest anybody has ever seen to date.
They are simply angry that at that time, no body could reach that level of training and skill and fiscal ability ,he was 30 years ahead of his time, and he was fast as lighting.
KERRY DAWKINS sure in the movies its guys better then bruce lee out here now back then martial arts want that main stream back then so there was people doing it unknown
'All the time people come up and say "Hey Bruce, are you really that good?" I say, Well, 'If I tell you I'm good, probably you'll say I'm boasting, but if I tell you I'm no good, you know I'm lying!'-Bruce Lee-
@Money Luna and we will never have another Jackie chun. but then again that bullshit. there can be. who the hell wants to be another bruce lee or Jackie chun.
Bruce lee is very influential to martial arts and spreading chinese culture,but he is not,absolutely,the best fighter of all time, thats absurd,he was not even the best fighter of his time
He was one of the best, but not THE best... Simple as that, so yes he was and is overrated by his fans who are fanatical to the point of being ridiculously over biased...
before bruce lee came along no one cared about martial arts or fighting! bruce lee put martial arts and action films on the map and made them famous and popular! he also made physical fitness popular! there is no disputing that! most 'intelligent' people agree! i absolutely agree about point fighting! chuck norris is totally overrated as a fighter! he is good at acting tough in movies but he does not have the killer instinct of a full contact fighter! bruce lee was beyond full contact fighting! he was a creative genius and an anomaly!
silverfox silverfox is back with his anti bruce lee comments! he argues against bruce lee on all the videos and websites! there is no sense trying to convince him of anything!
Donnie Woods - chuck norris was a point fighter and actor! he does not have the heart to fight full contact and he definitely does not have the heart of a street fighter! chuck norris is known to be a gentlemen in real life and that is good! he is a good role model in martial arts and he has accomplished some things in his life! he is a good businessman! his intelligence is not even close to that of bruce lee nor is his conditioning or charisma! without 'Return of the Dragon' which bruce lee asked him to be in no one would even know who chuck norris is! chuck norris always rides on bruce lee's coattails because he knows that bruce lee made him famous!
Silverfox Silverfox - that is fine with me! i am pretty sure floyd mayweather is also a huge fan of bruce lee! bruce lee inspired many professional fighters and actors! there are many interviews on youtube by professional fighters including mike tyson who say he inspired them! if you like bruce lee why not just say he is a great actor and give him credit for his accomplishments and then say that there are other martial artists and fighters who may be better or equal to bruce lee who have not gotten their fair share of recognition! it may just be that your comments sound like you are against bruce lee instead of in favor of those who are 'underrated' or not given the credit they deserve! it is true that some people overrate bruce lee but for the most part his fans usually are students of his in some way and they know his teachings! like i said before this is all just our opinions! there are a few people who are always degrading bruce lee in all his videos! it is basically the same people who do it over and over again! brother teacher is saying no one has paralleled his accomplishments and personally i have not seen anyone in the history of martial arts who has!
There's no proof of anyone not thinking Bruce was the best. There's lots of trolls. But the sad fact people troll means they have forfeited their right for their opinions be believed. So until you give original printed results of polygraph test you are lying about your criticism of Bruce.
indywannabbee, and what and where is the prove that Bruce is the Best? You are the bigger troll who come on the internet to suggest someone is the best at something when they have not proved it in deeds. I mean point me to one real fight Bruce has ever been in and we have a conversation.
Sunday Aito Greatest testimonies of all time man. Your heart wants to think they dont mean nothing. But your head tells you otherwise. Stop trolling to make yourself feel better. Its selfish.
I have been following Bruce Lee since the 1960s Green hornet TV series years. I remember reading karate magazines about Bruce written that one time he beat up 20 Thai Boxers simultaneously. Bruce Lee made Chuck Norris famous. Bruce was ahead of his time.
Carl Parish, yep, Bruce Lee made Chuck Norris famous; that is old news. But to suggest that Bruce Lee beat up 20 Thai boxers simultaneously is the most ridiculous and craziest thing to say. I don't care where you gleam your story from. This just isn't true. It is comments like this that does more harm than good to Bruce Lee's legacy. The source of your story are only projecting themselves as idiots and I am hoping by extension, you do not wish to be classified as an idiot yourself.
Sunday Aito : the same magazine article talk about his one inch punch, and also how he can take a coin from your hand before you close your hand. That was back around 1971 in a karate magazine. Too bad there’s no video to prove this about Bruce beating 20 Thai boxers. Keep up the great work. I love your videos.
Carl Parish, lol, man. That isn't my video. That isn't me in video but a gentleman by name( bro) Reginald Stroud. I have subscribed to his channel and have found his videos to be fascinating. Anyhow, about what you read in that karate magazine: the one inch punch and Bruce's ability to take a coin from a person's hand are demonstrations and feats that are well documented with Bruce and as such factual. As for Bruce beating up 20 Thai boxers, that is purely the figment of someone's imagination. Sometimes, people say outrageous things about Bruce Lee so as to sell their magazines or whatever it is they are selling. They do this because they know Bruce Lee fans are fanatical about their hero and are ready to believe hook line and sinker, anything that is being fed to them about Bruce lee.
Who was better? Any professional boxer or collegiate wrestler could have beaten Bruce Lee (if he had ever actually agreed to fight anyone). I think it's pretty obvious after seeing 20 plus years of MMA that Bruce Lee was not a real fighter. He was an incredible "martial artist", but not a fighter. If he were a fighter, he would have actually fought, instead of wasting time making movies. Instead, we have a few clips of some old grainy film and third person anecdotal evidence to attest to his supposed skills, but no ACTUAL evidence of him actually fighting anyone. The entire idea that Bruce Lee was some next level fighter is ridiculous.
+Sunday Aito brother Jim Kelly was a great man he told it like it was wow Bruce was a lie it catch what I'm getting out of here telling me my comment s*** so is yours have a great night
Joseph Taverna, brother Jim Kelly, bless his soul, did not tell it as it is. He only said things people wanted to hear. How is saying Bruce Lee is great at sparring prove of anything? Every time brother Jim Kelly turns around, he is being questioned about Bruce Lee. This happens where ever he goes, whatever he is doing, and the moment he is recognized. He figured, okay, since there is no prove of a real Bruce Lee fight, he might as well tell people the little he knows about Bruce Lee that will impress them hence the famous line that, "people don't know how great Bruce Lee is" and then went on to say, "Bruce is great at sparring using either hands or legs" this to me doesn't say much of Kelly telling it as it is.
My friend those are the can do nothing and just pure jealous, ass holes that say Bruce is over rated, you can not even compare these punks to Bruce . Bruce lives on,his art of fighting without fighting. No one is as good as Bruce.
All the greats at any level of sports or business had to prove it. What if Jordan said I'm the GOAT in basketball but never proved against his peers. You would call him a fool and laugh.
Bruce lee was a great Martial artist. He was physically strong. He created Jeet kune do. There was a video in which his friend say that he had a punching bag which is heavier. His friend also was a martial artist but he couldn't even move it. But Bruce he DID. He it made it swing. There could be people equal to him but I don't hardly believe that. He was a legend. They call him cause he really is. His power is amazing. His speed. He was asked to be much slower since the camera couldn't capture the movement. I personally think Bruce lee is the best.
Bruce Lee's lead sidekick to the knee was virtually impossible to stop. If your weight was on your front leg for a faction of a second, there is no way to stop that kick from landing. Your knee would be destroyed. The great Joe Lewis stated that he could not block or move in time to stop the lead sidekick to the knee. The fact that Bruce wasn't tall actually gave him an advantage when throwing that kick. He would feint to your head and throw that kick. In a street fight, I don't think anyone on the planet could stop that kick or move out of the way in time. Now ponder the mechanics and visualize this. His sidekick was his forte. The speed, the snap and the timing of that kick was mindblowing! That single technique meant it was game over!
Bruce lee was the best. People who say that bruce is overrated are just kids. As mature adult, you value and honor what a man accomplish in history, while being a kid you just value what you see in present time or on tv. For example a kid would say that soldiers who fought in ww1 are not real soldiers because they didnt have modern artillery.
To be honest, I haven’t seen anyone today with Bruce Lee skills. The first time I witness kung fu was around 1957 when this school bully was picking on me and my brother. One of my brother Chinatown friends beat up this bully in a dancing style of fighting. I was 8 years old. Bruce Lee Green hornet during my high school years was the first time seeing this style of fighting on television.
Bruce Lee was and still is the greatest martial artist that ever lived. Some martial artists are just jealous of him cause he was so good and invincible. Nobody could punch or kick better than Bruce Lee and nobody could touch him.
Bruce Lee's been dead for almost 50 yrs! And still he's being talked about till this day! That says a lot about him. He's a legend!. He is for real!. End of story to all the Bruce Lee haters. Bruce lee was great at his time and ahead of his time..
Vic Moore said otherwise. Last time I checked he was one of the greatest Champions of all time. You know how I know that because there is evidence of him competing. Just because everyone says something is true doesn't mean it's true. A whole bunch of people thought the Earth was flat at one time and a small few proved that wrong. So you question doesn't change facts. Fact is he never competed against his peers. Fact: Renowned mixed martial artist are now ripping apart his technique that he displays in videos. Like the famous one inch punch (I mean push) that has been debunked over and over again. I'd like to pose a question to you would Michael Jordan be considered the greatest if he didn't prove against some of the greatest of his time? I think you fandom is blocking you objectivity sir.
Best at what exactly? Best at fighting? Best at holding exhibitions? Best at giving interviews? What do you people mean by ( best martial artist ) ever? Zero fights on camera, zero championships in any art, zero altercations caught on tape. You bring up point karate as not legit fighting, well when did anyone ever see Bruce Lee actually fight someone no holds barred mma style? Furthermore lets bring up the idea that he somehow birthed mma and modern day martial arts. How many of Lee's students or jeet kun do practitioners have been champions in either Pride k1 fighting , ufc or any other mma tournament? How come we have never seen anyone in 40 years replicate or use Lee's techniques to any degree of efficiency, let alone dominate the fight world? The answer is simple, it's all theatrics. The fact you people think a 5"7 135 lbs man was the most dangerous being on the planet is laughable. Remember this one thing, most people believed kung fu and chinese martial arts to be real life effective fighting techniques until a man named Bruce came along and showed the world it was mostly horseshit. Want an answer as to who was a better fighter than Lee? Literally every single boxer of that time. Why? Because I can find footage of them fighting.
Brother Teacher in my humble opinion Bruce Lee was the greatest of all time but if I had to mention some who was just as good as Bruce Lee would be Yip Man IP Man because he trained Bruce Lee please correct me if wrong but Bruce was the real deal past, present, or future
It's easy to Talk about someone when there gone!! But no one was talking that B.S when SiJO ! Bruce lee Was alive !!! I still haven't seen anyone Better Yet!! Haters !! Keep Hating!! He did something right !!
this guy is on point one issue is ppl dont know true martial arts Bruce was a genius in the game we play but not all like to do the show. look at mas oyama kelly many of the unknown one hit kills many high skill fighters out their look how the mma guy when put in a situation with only hands got beat. if you open your eyes you will see many at the Bruce level when you read his work you learn he just got to the door of true combat
Brother teacher Bruce Lee was truly the Greatest in his time. No other master existed in Bruce Lee era could match him and superior. He is the only martial artist that transcend tradition and style. No one Brother teacher comes close to matching Bruce Lee strength power speed and skill. Bruce Lee is original. He is the rarest of the martial artist in the 20th century. Like Jim Kelly said Bruce Lee is untouchable and invisible in the martial arts because he has no Style. Bruce Lee obsession with his martial art lead to his assination. Captain Jesus Incarnate Son of Jesus Christ God of gods. END OF LINE
The little fly weight dragon , was a movie star an actor and filosof. He never had a black belt in anything , so he created hos own jeet kune doo to be a master in his own sport.... Tottally overrated , never had a title fight , never become pro ..... Just an actor and filosof
my issue with the bruce lee detractors is alot of them first off are MMA fanboys who just cant get passed the fact they what they do doesnt measure up to any and all that bruce lee accomplished .It's why dana white name dropped bruce lee or should i say hitched his wagon to that legacy cause lets face facts long term MMA is dead theres no foresight in that sport its 15 mins in the lime light are over you know i dont usually believe in get rich quick schemes but MMA is proof that you can get rich quick like dana white did he'll never have to work again as for his fighters .well theres always WWE just ask Rhonda rousey ..They only want to focus on the 4 movies he did when he was alive they completely ignore/neglect the fact that he spent his life before 1970 developing his fighting system .Bruce lee was also a business and he understood what better way to advertise his martial art philosophy than through the movies .If you watch the movies they mirror his teachings and philosophy on martial arts any one with a martial arts school in some form or another understands marketing and advertising for your school "business" As dan inosanto said in the book "Fighting spirit"Lee planned on opening up a chain of martial arts school across the nation like mcdonald's .Bruce lee earned the title of action star AFTER HIS DEATH its what the fans labeled him as but before that he was a martial arts instructor practitioner.Now as a lee fan im practical in that i know lee wasn't no superman or unbeatable but as a fan i think we need to give him is proper dues Lee saw the movies as a platform to promote his martial art and get more people into his schools thats why he got involved with movies it was to promote the one thing he was actually good at and had mastered by the time of his death which was fighting MMA fan boys and haters seem to ignore that
You sound so much like me, and i couldn't have put it any better. Thank you for understanding the real contributions of Bruce Lee. And Jay, you are also correct about the mma guys, they are late bloomers, i am from the Bruce Lee error, but these guys are eighties babies. They don't anything about the legend, we know as Bruce Lee.
im a 80's baby "bebe kid" as we used to say but i got a clue on the matter alot of the late 80's babies who would become the internet generation have no clue outside what social media says its sad that that is their world perspective which is a limited one ..great video none the less its nice to see lee fans putting out the truth plowing through the bullshit in the process cheers
The answer is simple by giving an comparison. What Bruce Lee was for Martial Arts is the same as what Michael Jackson did for the Dance. He enhanced a lot of moves/steps which by itself were invented (many of them) by someone else. Michael looked around, studied and made it better. Even the energy he used was the same, fluently and explosive movements. And of course the characteristic sounds they both made. (Hihi and Bruce's WHATAA!) They both had to fight racism. Back to your question: Lee and Jackson made a career in the spotlght. Both were child stars. (Bruce in acting, Michael in Singing and dancing) Can we honestly say that there were no better dancers of fighters? We just do not know that because we only see what is in the spotlight. But I am convinced that both Lee and Jackson were incredible masters and no human on earth could match them.
When you say he was the greatest martial artist of all time that's kinda describing his impact on the world In general as apposed to his literal fighting ability ,i mean he was literally the spirit and force behind almost all action movies ,combat training courses,ufc,mma,books, plays ,for the last 50years and into the foreseeable future his impact was extremely potent so I can see how many people could see him as a larger than life figure
Bruce Lee was the real deal & I don't care what some people say Bruce Lee was the best & no one will ever duplicate him ever bcuz he was the original icon of martial Arts in the world
Perhaps Jackie Chan was close (He was in fact Bruce's stunt devil) in Athleticism and was more classically trained, I would put my all money on Bruce any day because he was just too dedicated and obsessed with training. It's very likely that he trained himself to death....literally.
I am a real Bruce Lee fan myself. I don't know of anyone before him that was as good as he. Bruce Lee bridged the gap between East and West. He broke all racial barriers
Critical thinking tears this apart. No proven tournament record, no grading or mastering, confusion between trained WITH and trained BY, timeline doesn't add up, physical size and lots of very strange stories about his time in China, a country where simply speaking wrong of the 'Chinese Way' can make you socially outcast. Without a doubt he was an icon and he did well at martial arts, his acting was always mediocre except where his role involved him being Bruce Lee. Obviously we cannot put Bruce into a combat situation as he is not with us anymore however many people have verifiable abilities and proven track records especially now with MMA being so popular. So if I was to compare Bruce (bantam, feather, light, welter weights) against fighters in these weights he would probably be competitive but not necessarily dominating.
i am only gonna say i am more impressed with these cinese martial artist but i respect Bruce Lee ! in my opinion Jackie Chan ,Jet Li, Wu Jing ,Donnie yen, Sammo Hung , i even think Andy On is better .
Gyorgy Hirschleger - who do you think, inspired all the people you just mentioned? But them being better? I DOUBT THAT! All the people you mentioned RESPECTED Bruce Lee!
OK let's just clear something up here, MMA, KICKBOXING,, JUDO, POINT KARATE, BOXING none and I mean NONE of this formats or styles are full contact, the closest to it is possibly MMA But even then there are rules and it can be stopped, I'm a former kickboxing instructor, yes I'm a black belt, I've also trained in krav maga, like the man in the video rightfully states point karate is Not fighting, other styles of combat sport such as kickboxing or MMA is much more intense and you WILL be tested, But that is still what I simply state as continuous fighting or even sparing, hence yes it can get nasty but it can and will usually get stopped, Gentlemen the real and true turmoil of full contact is outside on the streets, real full contact is primal because it's not about a trophy or a title, in fact it's about being able to walk or run away from an incident that could end up in intensive care or indeed death, this is FULL TRUE FULL CONTACT, we mean strikes to the groin, finger jabs in the eye sockets, snap or sweep kicks to the knee breaking a leg or arm locks to full extention causing snappage, wrenching someone's keck to breaking point, people I'm sure you now get the picture. This is the sort of criteria that Bruce Lee constantly practiced, he didn't see the point in hitting something half hearted cos he saw it as a waste of energy expense, a kick or punch should be used to its full purpose, all you people saying chuck morris would beat Bruce are deluded, chuck was a champion at a game to see who was first to score points and you were not even allowed to even make contact most of the time, chuck was a champion at pretend fighting, he most certainly was not an actual fighter because that was Not fighting, Bruce Lee had street fights with no rules, he learnt what worked and what did not, it was because Joe Lewis spending time with Bruce that got Joe more into heavier contact competition and they came up with kickboxing, and Lewis was the first to bring it to the public and reigned supreme because he was training with Bruce Lee, so please stop this nonsense that oh these so called champions could beat Bruce, they did a sport that had rules and regulations, Bruce trained for survival in the most extreme methods possible, he was in a totally different league to them its about time you realised this. Even Mike Tysoe knows this and he was a real fighter aswell as boxer.
gary cole thankyou I'm glad you agree, it gets on your nerves when people say oh Bruce didn't fight but chuck norris did and so would get beaten by him, these people just don't have a clue about combat or Bruce lee
All here say. No proof that he was ever in any of these so called street fights. For a guy who supposedly had been in all these legendary street fighter where are all the scars and cuts. I know he was a bad man but no visible evidence of injuries on his body. You named all these moves are you telling he never got caught with any of these moves. Once. I have scars from just falling when I was a kid but the man who was in all these street fights as no scars on his face or body. He was just that great. Stop. Stop giving theory and wild tells. Here's evidence check out Bruce punching display on the heavy heavy bag. That technique he's using would get him destroyed against any professional striker. His 1 inch punch is a damn push. His hand speed that could not allegedly could be recorded is on a camera. We have footage that we can witness and see that his hand speed could be recorded by a camera. For a supposedly former kickboxing instructor you sound more like a fan than someone who teaches. Your objectivity seems lost.
Thank you my brother for your many talks on defending Bruce who can no longer defend himself. His spirit must be so proud for the truth that you speak on behalf of his name. Not that he can be crushed by negative lies about him for to the evolved and continuously growing Soul this has no meaning but to see other beings who are courages enough to speak the truth this brings joy to their hearts. God bless and long live the Dragon.
What Elvis Presley was to early rock and roll and what Muhammad Ali was to boxing is what Bruce Lee was to the martial arts his charisma is Persona his skill and style and his many talents cannot be denied Bruce Lee was the best I live in Boston I used to go downtown all the time my grandmother used to take me to see all of his movies back in the 70s Bruce Lee will always be a legend
@@reginaldstroud1123 those are my heroes growing up and I still love all three of those guys Bruce Lee Elvis and Muhammad Ali they were all here for special reasons and God gave certain individuals special Charisma and talent to touch the world I just wish Bruce Lee had done the TV series Kung Fu I heard he was considered for the part but for some reason he never good a chance to play the role with Bruce Lee dying so young the world never seen all his talents and I always thought he was a great actor do facial expressions in everything he had it down Pact yes Bruce Lee was one of a kind Happy New Year
Bruce Lee was ahead of HIS time, comparing how he would fare TODAY is a little unfair as many martial arts have developed, training and fitness programs improved. (a lot of that thanks to the influence Bruce Lee had btw). He also didn't compete as competitions have restrictions/rules. He trained for all out unarmed combat, and would have stood his ground, also if he was alive and 32 years of age today. (in fact Bruce would be 76 today (2017) ) Would he lose, that depends on who he would be fighting and the circumstances, but he would at the very least inflict some serious damage to whoever attacked him. Is there a better fighter out there today, possibly, we'll never know , it would be pure speculation as Bruce is no longer with us. Fact is, he was incredibly good, incredibly intelligent, founded a unique martial art (and it isn't a bunch of things borrowed and cobbled together, almost everything was analysed, adapted, modified to suit him and his art, if it didn't fit it was out, if it fitted with adjustments, it was modified etc all on solid scientific foundations) and the martial arts world has changed for the better thanks to him. He opened many people's eyes. There's no one else I can think off that has all those qualities and could say the same. This is part of the reason why he is still popular today, and continues to be topic of debates like this and that alone should make people take notice. This guy was (and is) a legend.
Name one fighter who has used jeet kun do, or was a student of Lee or any of Lee's disciples and went on to be successful in any full contact fighting sport or tournament. Bruce Lee just took the chinese model of fake martial arts, tweeked it to seem more legit, logical and believable and let the money roll in. Why fight when you can just convince your buds to tell everyone you are invincible.
@@Fightingat40 Easy, Joe Lewis was a student of him and went on to win many fights thanks to the advice and teachings Bruce Lee gave him, (Chuck Norris did too back in the late '60's) There are probably others in later years but I don't follow combat sports that closely I'm not sure who in the current day and age that have JKD training and use/used it in the ring . In regards to Bruce and his martial arts, you clearly haven't done your homework. If you had even the slightest knowledge on Bruce Lee's martial art development and background, you would know what you are saying on how he developed it is completely based on misunderstanding and or fabrications. There are several fighters today and in years gone by, that had / have huge respect for Bruce Lee's martial arts accomplishments, Manny Pacquiao , Mike Tyson, Bas Rutten, to name a few, you may not like those fighters, but you can't deny their accomplishments and they would know / recognise a thing or two about Bruce Lee's abilities and knowledge of fighting. Bruce was the real deal, but he's dead now, so all we have left are his writings/studies, as well as his students and their students. If you are at all interested, I suggest you go and seriously study his work (start by reading the books that have his writings/notes in it, if you have any understanding of fighting you will hopefully understand his notes and see that he knew what he was talking about), and not rely on what people tell you, or what you read on social media perhaps. You'll see that he was far ahead of his time, his knowledge on how the human body works, nutrition, strength and cardio training and of course martial arts was second to none. Of course the alternative is that you choose not to do so, it's up to you.
@@koosfockens1707 Joe lewis was a karate champ before even meeting Lee, Norris was already a karate champ as well. Neither ever "trained" under Lee. Bas Rutten has said many times Bruce would have his ass handed to him by today's fighters. I suggest you do more research.
@@Fightingat40 Joe Lewis was already successful yes, but he himself stated publicly that he improved loads by taking advise and lessons from Bruce Lee (there's an interview here somewhere on youtube where you can hear him talk about it), and that helped him further in his career as a fighter. Bas Rutten has indeed said that Bruce Lee would lose a UFC fight (but he IS a big fan of his ideas and approach, which were revolutionary for his day, again, Bas understood that Bruce was not 'just an actor' and is very clear about that too) and has said that if Bruce Lee had had the opportunity to refine his training to adapt to the way UFC fighters work, he'd be quite successful in his weight class. BTW Bruce Lee never claimed he was unbeatable, but he simply stated that he was very confident in his abilities, and if someone would pick a fight with him, he'd give it his all and not be intimidated. These superhuman attributes that people attach to him are frankly BS, but to put him down as 'just an actor' and that he couldn't fight is equally BS. People seem to want proof of those abilities and for a lot of people it isn't validated because he never did any fights, simply because he wasn't interested in tournament fights and being restricted by rules etc. It seems to be however that you don't recognise his accomplishments, or understand them. That's fine. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Bruce Lee trained "every part of his body" (lol) but he did so with the intent of creating the ultimate fighting machine, as opposed to a bulky overly muscled body. When you're talking of fighting, of course one should search for the champions in the "ring/caged sports". (which personally I would go with the K-1 style champions in the stand up, and the BJJ style in the ground game. But Bruce Lee was a "anything goes type of fighting that included eye gouges, and throat and groin strikes. So it is difficult to compare since there is no organized competition in this field of fighting..
Bruce Lee was not a fighter he was an actor . He never had a pro fight record 😉 He never had a black belt in anything. He never was a master in anything. IP man train him for only 4 years
Who was better? Hundreds and hundreds of fighters! For God sake if Bruce fought in MMA would he be taking on the big guys? No. he wouldn't. So many daft people act as if Bruce was some sort of alien being capable of leaping tall buildings at a single bound. He wasn't. Get over it.
Bruce Lee is a martial arts icon and world class martial artist. He taught excellence and inspired people to reach for all they can be. From what I understand he was also very kind and polite in everyday life to others. However, if I had to pick someone from his era that might give Bruce a good fight it would be Gene LeBell.
Robert Greene, it isn't about hating but about telling it as it is. I have no doubt Bruce Lee is someone special. But people such as my self have issues with somebody who is rated the best fighter ever but has fought no one of note. Now, how's that look like in your eyes?
This subject always fascinates me. No one thinks Sylvester Stallone is the best boxer ever because of his Rocky movies. Yet people really think Bruce Lee is the best fighter in the world because of his movies. Weird stuff.
I can tell you all a true story , that happened to me . After watching Enter the Dragon in the late 80's for the first time it blow my mind . I was only around 11 at the time and I watched the greatest piece of marital arts ever made . At the time I just enjoyed it and couldn't get enough of it . Later I realized that I was so amazed by it for a reason .After watching it I convinced my friends about bruce lee Only one friend liked him and started buying his posters like myself . The others all liked Van Dame and the blood sport movie . Till this day I have never loved and felt so inspired by someone famous like I do with bruce lee . Even thought bruce lee was way before my time I felt a joy like he was still around at the time . So do I think his the greatest of all time ? my answer is absolutely with out a doubt .Bruce Lee has been rated the best by real fighters like Jerry Poteet his original student , Chuck Norris , Dan Inosanto , Jim kelly , and many , many more . Bruces speed can not be beaten .
"Real fighting" is something we kinda forgot, which is a good thing because we are less war-like. Example. The javelin in the Olympics. "The javelin harkens back to the The Peloponnesian Wars." I learned that in Revenge of the Nerds. The javelin was used to make shish kabobs out of your enemies. The javelin was used to kill deers to put food on the table back in the days. In the Olympics, you throw the javelin and you hit NOTHING! Fencing in the Olympics is a game of tag, like point Karate. It's nothing like real swords that can cut off limbs and stab. And you don't win because you stab first but still get stab second. That's in the Olympics, not real life. Boxing is not even real fighting. A boxing rule is you cannot hit from behind. Hitting from behind the best way to hit. That's how fighter pilots hit. They call it dog fighting. That's how dogs fight by going behind to they can bite and not be bitten.
Michael Davis, Bruce Lee is the greatest undisputed martial artist champion? Champion? In what sense or context do you mean he is undisputed champion? Bruce Lee is a practitioner of the martial arts and have advocated in his thesis, a great way to improving ones self as a fighter. In this sense, yeah, he is a champion for the advocacy to being a better martial artist. But in the sense of having fought anyone to prove his greatness, I am sorry to burst your bubble, he has not been a champion in this sense....
Sunday Aito You did not burst my bubble(lol) Cuz you would have burst a whole lot of bubbles who think otherwise. The fame of Bruce Lee lives on!!! Just my humble opinion!!!
Michael Davis, I do agree his fame lives on, and I personally like him for his swag and charisma, particularly in his movies. Seeing the accolades you shower on him, do you also believe he is unbeatable regardless of size? Do you believe he is untouchable even by the heavyweights fighters in the UFC today? Do you also believe that Bruce Lee took out 20 Thai boxers in a real fight? This is all bearing in mind that Bruce Lee is not a proving fighter. (The story about the 20 Thai boxers was definitely made up.) I ask you these questions because most of Bruce Lee's fans appear to have a mind set that will believe the most insane and ridiculous thing ascribed to their hero. At what point will you say wait a minute, Bruce is only 5"7 and weighs 135lbs, there is surely a limit to his strength/ and or invincibility. I am curious to know your thoughts on these questions posed. Thank you.
Only a "ding dong" would make an asinine remark like that. Who's been "ding donging" your bell idiot!!! Master of what? being a jackass, that your are!!!
“i do not believe in styles anymore. i don’t believe that there is such a thing as a chinese way of fighting, or a japanese way of fighting… styles tend to only separate men, because they have their own doctrines which became the gospel truth, but if you don’t have styles, here i am as a human being, how can I express myself… that way you won’t create a style. because style is a crystallization; not continuous growth.” -B.Lee. This Is STILL a more than relevant philosophy. A man with a mindset like that is a very dangerous man.
Ali got beaten by Frazier and Norton. Foreman destroyed Frazier and Norton. But Ali KO'd Foreman. There is always someone better because of dif styles. No disrespect intended
Ali beat real fighters. Bruce demonstrated on how he might beat someone in a fight. One proved his greatness and let you know about it. The other just talked about it.
Anybody can compete after a few months of training. But that doesn't make them Bruce Lee. Even if he was an inexperienced fighter, you can`t deny he was way much faster and acrobatic than Norris. Norris could have been a better fighter but Lee was a way better martial artist.
Erika Rohac I guess we'll never know because Bruce Lee never competed on any level. I don't recognize hypotheticals as greatness. Put up or shut up Mr Lee chose the latter. While Norris at least has a body of proof to debate.
“Then who was better?” Every top 15 ranked dude in the ufc from flyweight to heavyweight. He’s a legend but not a fighter. And that’s just facts. millions of people believe he’s the best of all time but millions of people also say pineapple belongs on pizza, and that’s just false. Jokes aside he’s a legend but not a fighter, there’s no magic in the fighting game. I’ll give you some names on who’s better: • khabib nurmagomedov • Jon Jones • Petr Yan • demetrious johnson • Israel Adesanya • Conor mcgregor • Henry cejudo • Alexander Volkanovski So basically every dude in the ufc. Not bashing Lee or his legacy. Just saying he’s not a fighter and would get smashed today and back then (IF) he ever fought professionally.. sorry Lee fanboys
@@vickyninthou1673 you clearly never seen my comment, I don’t hate Lee. Just not blind and I can see that he’s not a super hero and would get mauled in a real fight
Every actual fighter that ever existed! 1) Watching him punching the heavy bag was painful. 2) His one inch punch is a fraud. My sister can do that to me. 3) There are tones of fake videos of him doing ridiculous stuff (ping pong video) or stuff that even 5 year-olds can do, like breaking wooden boards. Great martial artists don't need fake techniques and videos to boost their myth. The people that met him are simply being polite when asked about him. They know the consequences of hating on him, so they won't risk their popularity.
You made a lot of points that makes answering this question difficult. For example if someone says Bruce Lee was overrated in the sense that he was not some demigod who could beat everyone easily does that automatically mean he wasn't good at all? There are Bruce Lee fans who are extremists the "fanboys" who say that Bruce Lee was the absolute best FIGHTER of all time and if you say anyone could beat him they will get very defensive and insult you. I think that is not only immature but a disgrace to Bruce Lee's legacy because instead of talking about his contribution to the popularity of Martial Arts including his iconic movies, philosophy, physical fitness, skill and knowledge of Martial Arts we start arguing over a myth. If we're talking about greatness as a Martial Artist vs. ability as a fighter those are two entirely different things. You can be influential and respected as a Martial Artist and be an average fighter. You also said to keep the discussion restricted to Bruce Lee's era but mentioned Michael Jai White. White is not relevant to Bruce Lee's era as he was only 5 years old when Bruce Lee died. So neither Michael Jai White nor any Martial Artist his age or Professional Fighter competing in MMA can be named as being greater than Bruce Lee in his era. Otherwise I could give names like Anderson Silva, Georges St. Pierre, Jon Jones, Demetrious Johnson and many other great MMA champions who could have beaten Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee would be a man out of time against them which is hardly fair. But I get the impression that this isn't a "who could beat Bruce Lee in a fight" sort of discussion and more of a "If Bruce Lee wasn't a great Martial Artist who would you put above him" sort of debate. I do not hate Bruce Lee and do not wish to disrespect his legacy so this question doesn't really apply to me. You also acknowledged that there were Martial Artists on his level or better who just weren't as visible so you're not even saying Bruce Lee was the best just that he had clear talent which no one should deny. I believe the determination of greatest Martial Artist is subjective. Bruce Lee was famous for his movies but he wasn't just an actor. He lived and breathed Martial Arts. In terms of fighting skill I do believe he could handle himself against many in his era and several Martial Artists who trained with him acknowledge that. If he had gotten in to a full-contact combat sport like MMA and trained like a modern fighter I think he would have gotten even better as a fighter which I believe is a separate issue from being a great Martial Artist.
MysticNinjaJay, well said man! As usual, the only man so far to have a viable argument, weighing the pros and cons of brother teacher Stroud commentaries. Well put.
When did he say that? If so, yes of course that is a lie. Conor McGregor has already been beaten by Artemij Sitenkov, Joseph Duffy, Nate Diaz and Floyd Mayweather. I did hear Conor McGregor say that he believes Bruce Lee could be a champion in the UFC and that he was very impressed by the fluidity of his movement. In fact they teach Jeet Kune Do at Straight Blast Gym where Conor McGregor trains. My opinion on that is if Bruce Lee were resurrected from the dead and immediately had a fight with a UFC champion in any of the divisions he would lose. But if he had time to train for MMA properly and build on his skills with some experience I think it is possible that he could be a champion. So let's say that he trained for 3-4 years at a top MMA gym and got 10-15 fights against progressively better competition and got to stay in his prime then I think he stepped in the Octagon and fought a current champion he might be able to take a belt. But he would need that experience. This is essentially the same opinion as Bas Rutten. I don't doubt that Bruce Lee was an amazing Martial Artist and a good fighter by the standards of his era but he would need more training and experience to be on the level of modern Mixed Martial Artists.
I just looked it up and there is a RU-vid video with that title: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zUzD_ODGmuQ.html However after watching the video this is a misquote by Beerdy. Conor actually said that Mayweather can not bring any other MMA fighters that are like him to spar with and that he would have to reincarnate Bruce Lee to mimic McGregor as only he could move like him. This is definitely not the same as saying if Bruce Lee was alive today he is the only man who could beat him which wouldn't even be true if he said it. A lot of MMA fighters respect Bruce Lee. He was the most famous Martial Artist in the world and many fighters today were inspired by Bruce Lee. Some fighters consider it a great compliment to say that they fight like Bruce Lee in the movies. You may recall that Anderson Silva named his documentary "Like Water" and quotes Bruce Lee. Cung Le said he got his famous Flying Scissor Sweep from watching Bruce Lee do it in Enter the Dragon. Conor McGregor clearly takes a lot of inspiration from Bruce Lee and wants to be considered the Bruce Lee of this generation. Many fighters and Martial Artists including movie stars like Jet Li and Donnie Yen admire and respect Bruce Lee. When it comes to actual fighting I think if Bruce Lee were alive in his prime today with the opportunity to train and he wanted to do MMA he would be eager to learn more and improve on his Martial Arts skills.
MysticNinjaJay I believe Anderson Silva said (BL'S stand up striking would be studied and put into practice by future MMA fighters)and that seems to be the case with Anderson Silva Jon Jones and Conor McGregor to name a few.If you go back and compare the techniques of the previous fighters I just mentioned they all take Q's from BL's JKD. My point being the top MMA fighters of today didn't just respect BL as an actor but as a true fight scientist.
Hahaha hey for you bruce lee haters for one bruce lee was faaar more faster and had more punching and kicking power then every professional martial artist back then hahaha so you tell me how could any of those professional martial artists professionally in the ring or not compete against that his speed and power NONE COULD and if so try and name one guy just one that ever could and we'll all just sit back and laugh at you all for trying cause their ain't none that could and dont forget back then the professional fighters would only just do karate, judo or boxing or kickboxing thats just it just only 1 martial art back then but bruce lee he learned and mastered 6 or 7 different types of martial arts when the other professional only learnt one so TELL ME HATERS how could any i mean any of those guys back then compete against that how could they possibly win with his speed and his power and learning and mastering every one those of martial arts in a straight fight they would loose and thats it plain and simple
These are YOUR VIDEOS. THIS IS YOUR CHANNEL. I love hearing about Bruce. People get tired of hearing about him...they are not a real fan. This is a man who LIVED AND BREATHED MARTIAL ARTS. He was a martial artist...then a actor. It has been said that he and Chuck did indeed square off at some point and Bruce beat him. If this is the case...Chuck has not admitted to it.
The problem is lack of evidence, friends of his and people that idolized his myth don’t make it better. I wouldn’t say he was the greatest fighter if he were unproven but as far as he being a great representative of martial he is the best
Mr Legendary Grandmaster uncle Bruce Lee was not over rated at all above all pass and present head above all,How come Bruce Lee had beaten so many great Grandmasters from many different forms of Martial arts,Bruce Lee was better off Screen than on Screen,For Example Jim Kelly said no one that he knows could ever beat Bruce Lee in any real street combat fight,Chuck Norris even said in one comment that No one could beat Bruce Lee he was to fast above all,Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris had the greatest love and respect for each others abilities as Combat fighters train hard together.Chuck Norris in a real showdown street fight he was not scared of anyman or Martial artist he would defend himself and kick their butt.God bless lv to all From your Christian bru Tiger Stanna Changlee Platt JKD Grandmaster and family worldwide.
Delgado said Bruce was the most difficult guy he ever sparred with and he was in awe of Bruce. Louis Delgado was the last fighter to beat Chuck Norris in a tournament.
Dude... most of the people bashing Lee don't say he wasn't good for his time... but when people start saying crazy shit like: Bruce Lee would rule MMA today... you gotta draw the line and call bullshit. He was ahead of his time, but he was behind THIS times.
Depends on what you mean by better. It’s impossible to compare him to any fighter because, in spite of all the hype, he left behind a trail of zero filmed bouts. All we have is a string of stories. We all know how stories build into legends. He may be a great martial artist but anyone claiming he was the best fighter is doing so with no substance.
1970 Bruce Lee was observed by myself and others at Lost Battallion Bixi g Gym , and he was unreal speed a blur power and mobility evasiveness and he was astounding , but now he is dead and the haters are amongst us . Also he was at Ron Austin Shotijan School in queens visiting.
The people out there that could beat Bruce Lee never cared about being famous or proving anything . I give Brice all the props in the world for all he has done for this world . But he is just a man and all men are beatable . There are billions of people on this planet . There is no way you are going to be able to beat everybody . The best Martial Artist hide in the shadows . They do not seek the fame and the glory
People either misunderstood him, or are yealous. Was he beatable, probably, he never claimed he wouldn't be. People have given him some godlike status, something he disliked. He didn't like the name 'superstar' . This is not to say that he wasn't good, he said himself that he was selfsufficient, and he didn't fear anyone. He had a true fighter/warrior mentality. That alone makes him a formidable opponent. Don't forget he was a human, and there is probably someone out there today, that could give him a run for his money. He would give a tremendous fight however and not at all easily defeated in a one on one fight, in fact I'd still think purely because of his deep rooted understanding of total combat, he would be able to deal with many different opponents and probably defeat them sooner or later. But don't just view him as a fighter. He developed his own martial art, he was a very philosophical man, and had figured out how to live his own life. That to me, is an even greater acchievement, than just being a martial artist. Not many of us manage to figure out how to live our lives and live day to day. He set goals, and strived to acchieve them, every day, all day.
Donnie Yen !!! He is just good as Bruce Lee Because he have quick hands and feets and power Both of them are the same Only different is the style of Martial art
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Only Bruce Lee himself could have been better than Bruce Lee but we never got to see it because he died.
There is a rumor that Bruce put on his school's door that he would take any challenge, anywhere anytime from anybody, and they say he offended the invite martial arts community in California by that and did receive many challenges of which he did have issue with two of them.
You left out the experts who came to the conclusion that his technique was amateur at best. There's no evidence of him fighting and the people that promoted him were actors playing roles in his films. Of course they're going to back him up and lie to keep the myth going. Any professional boxer, judo artist or MAA fighter of that time would have beaten the crap out of Bruce. Anytime he sparred he was well padded, he never won one fight and never enterred one tournament. He's just like any of those teachers out there who claim to be this and that who then get beaten up by MAA fighters. Anyone and punch into thin air or hit pads but to get in the ring is a different ball game. He was an actor who was very good at making himself look good but his technique wasn't good according to professionals who studied him.
Some People think Bruce didn't really proved himself as a real fighter but he was great so thats the dilemma. He died young and was small so they think he was bull shit. But how do you compete if you are a dirty street fighter. That you had to because of your small size and where you grew up.
bruce lee was a true martialtist. these people that say bruce lee was overrated, dont relise that a tornament fighter is not equal to a street fighter bruce lee trained realisticly for the street thats higher than a karate world champion iv seen those tournaments you cant fight like that in the street,bruce lees fighting method changed history and the mind set of martial arts
in real life Bruce Lee did not have any enemies, so he really didn't fight in no one enough to show off his martial art abilities he didn't have trouble until he went to Hollywood and start making movies and being famous that's where his troubles came in at.
Your argument is really weak...public perception can easily be distorted,and great public figures always get overhyped by the masses,search the story of Big Boss (a videogame character), it's a great metaphore for how,trough time,legends are told and passed on about people that were not the real deal. Bruce Lee has no recorded fights,no recorded tournaments,and all accounts of his fights are from his disciples ir admirers...of course no fighters in his time talked about him,because he was not a fighter... present to me a FACT about bruce lee's so called"supreme skill" and ill be impressed,but the catch is there are no proofs,aside from his movies,that are,of course,movies
michal jai white knows how to fight no doubt not going to take anything from him at all but he's bigger bulkier slower than lee who has speed advantage in spades .He knew that being bulkier would slow down a fighter and was not effective for a fighter to be be big and bulking .Also lee didnt train for weight classes he trained real life self defense he knew how to fight guys twice his size verses someone who is trained in a fixed environment with weight class and rules
Real people versus movie people. Stallone saw Chuck Wepner took a beating against Muhamad Ali for 15 rounds. In that moment, he WISHED he could be Chuck Wepner, and wrote Rocky. Who is more famous? Sylvester Stallone or Chuck Wepner? Bruce Lee was in the movies when he was born, literally.
Jim Kelly said Bruce Lee spared many top Martial Artist and no one could touch Bruce top martial artist won't tell you that they sparred Bruce because he embarrassed them.
If Bruce's abilities weren't verified by legendary martial artists like Joe Lewis ("father of American Kickboxing"), Chuck Norris, Mike Stone...etc. Then I too would be questioning Bruce's abilities too. As all of it is heresy. With no photos of his street fights or competition fighting (which he didn't believe in). Very few of us knew him personally. Were around him in his personal life. Was he ever challenged by name fighters? Etc. Yet, as said..hard to argue with numbers. Hard to pull the wool over millions of eyes. And he has millions of fans. To this day. Martial artists and non. People are questioning the credentials of Frank Dux (Bloodsport character played by JCVD). As there is no documented proof of the Kumite. And in his case no credible martial artists vouching for Frank Dux's abilities. So amazing decades after the death of Bruce Lee we're talking about him still on RU-vid. Magazines still feature his story. His techniques. Can we say that of any other martial artist?
I remember watching a documentary on Bruce Lee where a guy said he didn’t even cry when his own father died but he cried when Bruce Lee died that shit was funny.
Reginald Stroud it's easy to talk BS after Lee been gone.Bruce Lee was better then any martial artist of his time.He was 40 year's ahead of his time.They MMA fighters finally caught up and surpass Bruce Lee ideas on full mix contact fighting arts.
