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If I Was Starting Again - This Is The Beehive I Would Buy!

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If I Was Starting Again - This Is The Beehive I Would Buy!
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@joecreaser8885 2 года назад

Forgot to add the frame and foundation price. Glad you answered my question from the forum. If I had 20+ hives I would probably go down just the deep route but as I haven’t I still like having shallow supers as my extractor doesn’t like deep ones. Still only £125 for complete Lang on thornes but the ashforth feeders are pricey on there. As always, great video Laurence!!

@patrick_laslett_allotment 2 года назад

Yes. Ashforth feeders. Really useful. If I was starting again (I'm winding down now) I would make sure that each of my hives had it's own Ashforth feeder. I only have 15 of them - but one per hive is the way to go. So useful.

@BrooklandsHoneyBees 2 года назад

Fantastic video! Great to see what other people's opinions are, personally I'm a fan of the 14x12 hives but have found that buying a 2nd quality deep and a 14x12 extension in the sales has saved me a good few quid. I will however be taking a better look at your underfloor entrance. For me the killer in cost always seems to be foundation and cant seem to find it much cheaper than £20 + p&p for 10 sheet's. But as always great video thanks for sharing

@sararassner Год назад

I much prefer the wire queen excluders. The plastic ones never line up properly and keep sliding around when you stack your hive back together. I will happily pay the extra money to not have that hassle every single inspection. I do use them when I put the MAQS strips though, as the formic acid won’t damage the wire QE.

@parkinsonga3092 2 года назад

I'm sticking to homemade, I have used watering trays for roofs but I currently use solid plastic sheets. It's all by products from a shed manufacturer, frames and queen excluders plus any other bits are from Thorne.

@ianwatkins3002 2 года назад

Ha! I thought you were going to say Langstroth 🤣Another option for the roof is 4mm correx (or 2mm from somewhere like Wickes) - The Apiarist has a post on those. Even cheaper than the horticultural tray - which is a very good idea.

@foxslocalhoney 2 года назад

Great video I am going down the poly route with just brood boxes, as you said keep it simple.

@norfolkhoneybee273 2 года назад

Deep boxes only,i make under floor entrances with slider so I can , full open ,close, part open and 2 bee space aswell.

@parkinsonga3092 Год назад

Just a tip for frames buy a pack of commercial top bar seconds, £5 for 50 and make your own frames by cutting your own top bars, bottom bars and sides from these.

@arronbwabw504 8 месяцев назад

I set up my first hive last winter, weekends on the internet and I would question the prices quoted. Secondly all those items will have a £10 P&P to be added on. And still with both the set ups illustrated you couldn't keep a single bee, no frames and wax which add up to a good cost.

@barryduke8329 2 года назад

6th to 8th march Thorns have a spring sale, national brood £17, super £14. Another very thought provoking video, thanks again.

@lorus511 2 года назад

Make a simple 4" eke for your feeder, gives you the space you need and in the winter you can top your hive off with a wool blanket that will fit inside keeps the bees warm and absorbs any moisture.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

But you still need to then go and buy the feeder as and a crownboard. I think best off not buying either of those two and getting the insulated poly feeder. Makes life so much easier and something you never have to store

@lorus511 2 года назад

@@BlackMountainHoney 👍

@lasource811 Год назад

Me one flat plywood floor, I have two brood boxes with two holes in them as enterances at each side. I use corks to close them if need be. Then two 10cm shallow empty boxes for the supers, with two lids with holes in them, for on top of each super, for cut comb. A hesian bag as a crown board cut to size and a sheet of old tar roofing felt as the roof. All my twenty colonies are like that. Cost very little. I think the way to make money in beekeeping is not spend a fortune too.

@sinisterhipp0 2 года назад

(Different manufacturers out there) My mate had a plastic QE he had problems we measured with callipers. His size was noticeably smaller than my wire QE and his bees struggled to fit through it. Detrimentally.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

Yes. There was a couple of duff batches that went out. Hence, need to deal with a reputable firm for these

@parkinsonga3092 Год назад

I've just bought a couple of complete national hives from Thorne in the winter sale, I was sad and bought as soon as the sale opened. Less than £100 each, all ready for my nuc from BMH.

@paulrobertson3036 2 года назад

Another really good subject and video - lots of different, healthy opinions. Anel in Greece sell some really good equipment at reasonable prices. I'm in Netherlands and use Langstroth sizes from Anel. Insulated, recyclable plastics - my bees have no issue. Wooden frames/wax foundation in the brood, plastic foundation in some of the supers - again no problem for the bees. Anel have some excellent optional equipment - in built roof feeder, queen excluders, pollen collectors etc. I started by building my own wooden hives to typical Dutch sizes (spaarkast) and although I love woodwork the cost and time was more than purchase price from Anel. I know what I would do now, but thats just my thoughts. Excellent channel 👍.

@jeremybaker4979 2 года назад

nice one. I am going homemade base, poly brood,plastic queen excluder, homemade supers, poly feeder and plastic roof depending what the garden centre has. Going langstroth because easier to make. 8/4 ply gives me 5 supers a lid and a base for £40 and bandq cut it for free. Well thats where your queen will live when I get her. Wish abelo made a poly feeder their kit is great quality. Try and go skip diving and make a poly feeder. Made supers for my nucs from insulation for free. Maybe we can start a collection of ideas to make poly typekit from what we can find and compare notes.Poly brood boxes and roof/feeders now seem to play a big part in bee survival but are very expensive.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

I think bees will survive in pretty much anything. My drivers are longevity of equipment and time to taken to procure/make, which is different for people who are time rich.

@veragiles981 2 года назад

I've got cedar supers and deeps. It would make much more sense to have all brood but I'd have to convert to poly as I don't think I'd be able to lift a wooden deep that was filled with honey. I love the look of the poly feeder; makes great sense as it's so multipurpose.

@MrJustinWheeler 2 года назад

Good info Lawrence. Already at 11.5k subs. Right on schedule. (;

@bluelab5019 2 года назад

Thornes have a sale in March, so keep that in mind.

@stuartmackenzie6767 2 года назад

A clear plastic sheet replaces a crownboard. Thsts all i use.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

I really struggle with the clear plastic sheets for BBS hives like the Paynes. Just feels like an after thought. What do you use for your feeding syrup?

@stuartmackenzie6767 2 года назад

@@BlackMountainHoney for syrup i use miller feeders, but im talking about damp proof course type plastic not the thin perspex ones paynes/Maismore sell( though they work just as well) the only job a crownboard does is stop the hive gluing the roof down.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

@@stuartmackenzie6767 Don't you find if you just leave the Miller feeders on all year the bee space underneath means the bees don't stick it down and then you can do away with the CB?

@stuartmackenzie6767 2 года назад

@@BlackMountainHoney it certainly does over winter, but i take them off for bleaching in spring and dont see a point in putting them back before autumn ( never used one other than autumn) besides my hives are too tall in summer already !!😁

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

@@stuartmackenzie6767 Ha! Nice problem to have and at least the DPC is super cheap. For people buying CBs though I'd say either of these options are superior though. CB for £10 is a waste of money and much better spent on a decent feeder

@CastleHives 2 года назад

If I could only go back and talk to myself before I bought some of the first equipment I bought. .

@rangersteve2279 2 года назад

guess this would work if you could extract deep frames OK. i like the simplicity of your thinking though... cost of equipment + ease of operation. great for a serious professional beek going forwards. my current extractor can take 9 shallow frames of various types but only 4 deeps i think but needs cages. so additional cost in time extracting and in additional equipment, but thought provoking video. Many thanks Steve

@craigjackson6450 2 года назад

great video, especially for me who is planning to start beekeeping next year after I move back to the uk, so thanks a lot! I did read through the description a few times and I couldn't find the link to the underfloor entrance plans though

@rayryan6460 2 года назад

Great video as always. Is using brood boxes for supers not a back breaker or is it manageable?

@bengibbon9229 2 года назад

Personally I’d put frames in my hives... 🤣

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

Majority of hives are sold without frames

@killianmurphy4616 2 года назад

If I had to start over again I would have gone with Langstroth. I have wasted €€€€ on National hives over the last few years.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

True but unless the entire nuc market switched at the same time then its national for us

@stevedom1 2 года назад

protective clothing, smoker,tools??

@rossabram2742 2 года назад

Lots of postage, buying from different suppliers!

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

Makes less of a difference when buying in bulk but you can get pretty much everything from Thorne apart from the feeder. Most suppliers do free delivery over £200. Also tend to do collection of sale items at the bees shows

@stevedom1 2 года назад

frames, any foundation, wax treatment, verroa catchers, ???

@citrumpet1 2 года назад

Love your videos. Just one question. How do you do oxalic vapor treatments with a wide open screen floor?

@ednic114 2 года назад

Nice one, great video, very helpful. Few question, where is the link to the design of the floor? Where do you recommend looking for the mesh for it? Also, do you not get the runners with the brood box? Thanks

@mervynshute880 Год назад

What about dadant. No mention here about the dadant. Could this be a no waste of time option

@markmurphy8303 2 года назад

Hi Lawrence, any old langstroth equipment you are going to burn I’ll have it mate, I will swap ya I’ve got about 10 of those plastic queen excluders spare I’ve never had much success with them I’d rather use the metal ones thx mate great vlog

@davidgarner3171 2 года назад

How does the swienty feeder compare to the abelo?

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

Swienty is rubbish. You need to mod the bottom to add the beespace otherwise its entirely unusable. The mod is quite difficult as well as you need to bond wood to plastic. Could try and glue plastic strips but its a right old faff. Abelo is just ready out of the box

@davidgarner3171 2 года назад

@@BlackMountainHoney thanks, swienty should hire you as a design consultant 😂

@benjamindejonge3624 2 года назад

Did you ever checked out the South African bee bunker?

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

I did.. I'm collecting one this weekend! 😀

@sinisterhipp0 2 года назад

Bruv! Where are you buying mesh screen from in bulk? I’m struggling to find a good source at good price.

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Expanded-Galvanised-Varroa-Mesh-National-Hive-Beekeepers-Roll-10m-x-46cm-0-5mm-/324252228211?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0

@BlackMountainHoney 2 года назад

20 x floors for 59.99 out of that roll.

@vytbbb7146 2 года назад

2 supers is enough?

@researcherAmateur 2 года назад

A complete double deep Lang, with 8 or more brood frames, last year queen, all frames built, full of bees, used hive = 110€.. in Croatia. This spring queens will be 10€. Plastic bottom pollen collecting board from Serbia 10€. Maybe less. Plastic frame feeders, excluders, all kinds, from Turkey. 10 for 10€.. The number of beeks around me, way too many. The amount of hives for the flow = crop, unsustainable. Better we get, more hives we keep, more modern it becomes.. now, we're at the point where only honey makes money

@pcelarskisokak 2 года назад

The grass always looks greener on the neighbor's backyard. Let beekeepers be beekeepers.

@researcherAmateur 2 года назад

@@pcelarskisokak it looks like my island is the greenest of them all, in my fall flow. Nobody can make a crop with a container every 200m. That 200m rule is the worst mistake we ever did

@pcelarskisokak 2 года назад

@@researcherAmateur I am not agree, containers sellers probably have made nice crop till now.

@researcherAmateur 2 года назад

@@pcelarskisokak you don't know how it is when you are on an island with your normal number of local stationary yards. All ready for the flow. And then in September they arrive and park 4 trailers around every yard to winter their hives on what used to be our strongest flow. Imagine 10 containers on your yard, on your flow

@researcherAmateur 2 года назад

@@pcelarskisokak l can stay in my yard and watch 800 hives in the 500m around me. We can talk to ich other on a nice day