@@carsismyaddiction6919 ''slowest car on the grid'' You are talking about the car which had finished in the points (top six) in three of the five races prior to Monaco 1984. What can be clearly said is Bellof's car was easier to drive at Monaco in those conditions than the turbo cars. How can you say Bellof would win? He could have crashed or broken down.
Just a reminder: Stefan Bellof's Tyrrell car was disqualified from the entire championship, due to being illegal - below minimum weight. Bellof probably was a good driver, but we will never know because his Monaco performance was much overshadowed by the car being illegal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrell_Racing#1984_controversy
@@jensonbuttonfan Lets be real, even with it beeing illegal it was not a top car. So the fact that the car was illegal doesnt take anything away from Bellofs fantastic drive. Also that Tyrell-Ban was/is kind of controversial and was probably more political then actually performance based.
The first thing that struck me watching this was actually the turn 1 crash. Seeing Tambay limping and carried to a stetcher after what at my initial reaction was a 'nothing' accident Realising today there are many crashes far worse than that where i expect the driver to just jump out and walk off This just really made me realise how when such a small accident caused that type of injury that realisation was truly there at all times that those inevitable big crashes would be horrendous
The early 80's was really bad for leg injuries, they had moved the drivers so far forward in the chassis chasing perfect weight balance that there was little to nothing between their feet and the nose of the car. The group C Porsche prototype was infamous at the time for having the drivers legs in front of the front suspension they were so far forward on the chassis.
Everybody seem to forget that was not only Senna and Bellof who made the show. Mansell did aswell. That overtaking on Prost in the tunnel was something
@@Christian-no8qq The problem is that by winning the race, which was stopped by a red flag, Prost received half the points allotted for victory (4.5 points instead of 9). If the race had not been stopped by a red flag, Prost probably would have passed Senna to first place and would have finished second, but would have received a full 6 points for second place. In that case, based on the results of the entire season, Prost would have 1 point more than Lauda, and Prost would become the champion.
I used to talk about Senna and the marvellous racing he did (i am argentinian), today I´ve realized there was someone else who gained 16 positions from start Stefan Bellof
I am brazilian and i agree with you. Belof was also an amazing driver. It's sad he passed away in 1985 while competing in SPA 1000km. It would be great seeing him competing side to side with Senna, Prost, Mansell, and Piquet.
@@foilguard lt was not a shitbox. It was a traditional team (Tyrrell) with a car that was ILLEGAL, and being underweight it gave him a huge advantage against his competitors. No, it was not an impressive drive. It was pure simple cheating.
@@jensonbuttonfan Benetton Renault cheated with the secret option 13, though. And I don't read you complaining about. I see you can't recognise Bellof's effort with a NA F1, more over a cheat that driver might didn't know about.
Of the 57 starts in their five seasons in Formula One, Toleman achieved 3 podium finishes. They were all achieved by Senna in his rookie year. One of very few drivers who could make uncompetitive machinery competitive. Very beautiful graphics.
I agree, but don't minimize the work made by the team. Toleman was arising in that time. Moreover, in 1985 Toleman was selled and renamed to Benneton, the same Benneton that gave the 2 first Schumacher's world titles. Toleman's chief designer was Rory Byrne, which designed not only TG184, but the cars driven by Schumi in ALL his world titles. Senna's talent certainly did all the difference in 1984, but the car wasn't that bad.
that is true, however let's not forget that the TG184 was a pretty decent car, and was a solid leader of the midfield. of course Senna's outstanding talent pushed it to the front occasionally, but it is not to fair at all to call it a bad car
@@gmantov decent car? why the other drivers didnt have similar results to senna. it was shit car that is made to look decent because of senna driving it.
Pra mim ,a maior corrida de f1 de todos os tempos Pista de rua Chovendo A corrida que nao teve fim Mas teve um vencedor moral Chegando em 2o lugar,numa equipe media/mostrando seu talento . O rei de Mônaco, até os dias de hoje,ganhando 6 vezes
Chegou em primeiro,vencedor de fato,o vencedor amoral e oficial foi o frances narigudo,vitória dada por seu compatriota balestre,incluside antes de morrer em entrevista disse ter ajudado muito o prost,essa foi uma das vezes.
Small suggestion, Mclaren and Williams logos are too modern, for example McLaren wouldn't have orange as their primary colour at the time due to Marlboro branding, I think if this was adjusted to the specific era it would be perfect. Great work on the graphics regardless!
Stefan Bellof. Lapping the track faster than anyone else. Too bad he gone too soon. Otherwise late 80s and early 90s F1 will have a very strong field of drivers, almost parallel to GP500 at that time. Interestingly enough he becomes the favourite driver, idol, and role model of a certain seven time world champion when the latter was growing up.
@@jensonbuttonfan disqualified later in the season, not after the race. Even then the disqualification is questionable at best. Still didn't take away the fact that Bellof is a great driver; his Nurburgring lap record in Porsche Le Mans car stands for many years. To say he is a lousy driver just because his car is illegal is just pure crime.
@@wanr5701 doesnt matter when, he was disqualified, the car was illegal, end period. It does take away since the car was illegal. Try to sell your Bellof agenda to someone else. Here with me it won't fly.
@@jensonbuttonfan you are entitled to your opinion but not entitled to tell everyone about it. Nor forcing it upon others. Thank you for your great insight.
@@wanr5701 its not forcing if I am telling the real facts no the bullshit youre selling here. The car was illegal. FIA is the undisputed regulator of the Formula One Championship. You cannot question their decision and their investigation. Tyrrell car was illegal, was caught cheating, therefore the disqualification was valid and correct. Since the car was illegal, Bellof's performance was not real. It's simple facts, it's simple pure logic. I am sorry if you missed your school class about history and logic.
If Senna was incredible, Bellof was oustanding. I dreamed to watch them in the same team being great rivals and great friends. Two phenomenoms, aggresive drive style, accurate know of the machine, Poseidons of the track.
The graphics for McLaren need to be Red, not Papaya and you use the wrong logo for Williams, Williams did not have their current logo in the 1980s! Those are inaccuracies that should be solved better.
I've a funny fact: in Monaco in 84 Prost asked to stop this race so he won BUT* only half of the points were awarded and AT the end of the Season Prost Lost the championship by 0.5pts to lauda so it means that if Prost didn't asked to stop this race and this race would complete all laps even if Senna would have won and Prost finishing in 2nd place Prost would have been World Champion in 1984 LOL with full points awarded in Monaco
People who say that the issue is the racetrack and not the car size and the regulations, and people who say that Hamilton is the goat and he would do great even with a crappy car, have probably never seen this
Senna was under intense pressure and scrutiny this day as he was serving a suspended 3 race sentence (meaning if he infringed any rules he would get a 3 race suspension) for "bringing the sport into disrepute" the previous month. This is because a few weeks earlier a "Race of Champions" was organized at the Nurburgring with many past F1 champions plus several current F1 drivers all in identical Mercedes cars to celebrate the opening of the new Nurburgring GP track. Prost, Senna, Lauda, Reutemann, Moss, Rosberg, and many other champions. Prost qualified on pole, Senna 2nd. At the start Prost started to drive away, so Senna cut across the chicane to ram Prost out of the race on purpose. Naturally this was a big scandal because who the hell does that, especially at an exhibition race where the proceeds are going to charity. Senna would later admit to his good friend McLaren team boss Jo Ramirez that he did this on purpose because "Prost is the man to beat and I want to get in his head" Anyway, at Monaco team boss Ted Toleman said in the post-race interview that they were extremely lucky the race was stopped when it was because Senna had hit a wall and broken the suspension, the car wouldn't last another 2 laps. Initially the damage wasn't so bad, but Senna ignored team orders to not use the curbs at the Chicane du Port to not aggravate the problem. He kept using them, which made the problem much worse. So despite the pressure everything went perfectly for him this weekend, literally could not have gone better.
Didn't the FIA rig this race result because Senna was closing the gap on Prost, and the FIA president being French, didn't want his French racer dropping points to an amateur.
You know what's the funniest thing of this robbery against the greatest Ayrton Senna?? Ballestre suspends the race so that Prost would not be humiliated by the rookie (who ate everyone else alive with his driving), thinking he was saving his predilected driver. BUT... Do you know that this one was the championship that Prost lost to Lauda by HALF A POINT?? that half point they gave him in Monaco (in that year, the points in race was 9-6-4-3-2-1) and if Ballestre didn't stick his nose where he wasn't called to protect his driver, Prost would add 6 points from second place at the end of the race, instead of 4.5 for having won a race with less than 75% completed. This "win" cost Prost's title.
@@jensonbuttonfan of course was Ballestre's decision! Prost was begging to stop the race, Ballestre called Ickx ordering to stop the race and the belgian put the red flag. In those years all the decision are coming from FIA, not from Race's director
@@gmantov he would then be disqualified, since the car was illegal, which was proved and then Tyrrell got excluded from the 1984 season. Whatever Bellof was doing there, would mean literally nothing after the race and the DSQ.
1:47 here Ayrton Senna passing on the kerb that cause a damage in the suspension, if the race continue on, Senna would have retire by suspensión failure.
correct, the red flag did not ‚steal‘ him a victory, it saved him a second place. Ayrton Senna himself admitted that he could see his right front wheel moving forward and backward under braking.
Mansel não ganhou mais campeonatos pq nao se segurava nas pistas, não tinha controle e por isso não está entre os melhores pilotos. Nessa corrida mostra quem é o melhor de todos os tempos. O melhor piloto é aquele que ganhava de todos com o carro igual e ganhava em pistas difíceis como essa de Mônaco! Quem foi melhor que Senna nessa pista? Ninguém!
Aquele sujo do Jack Ickx tirou com a bandeira vermelha a vitória certa do Senna, mas a vingança veio ao final do campeonato com o Lauda se tornando campeão por apenas meio ponto em cima do Prost
Dificil saber o que aconteceria se a corrida continuasse. Senna já disse mais de uma vez que o carro vinha apresentando problemas na suspensão dianteira a cada volta e ele não tinha certeza se terminaria, por isso pisou fundo daquele jeito. Existe também um ponto que pouca gente nota: O Steffan Bellof, que vinha logo atrás em 3o, estava mais rãpido que os dois da frente, e é possível que passasse os dois se a prova continuasse. Aí o Prost teoricamente chegaria em 3o e perderia o campeonato do mesmo jeito. Ou seja, dificil dizer o que aconteceria já que não aconteceu.
@@gmantov durante a maior parte da corrida o Ayrton e o Bellof mantiveram tempos semelhantes só nas últimas voltas qdo a chuva apertou que o Bellof fez tempos melhores que o Ayrton, mas é difícil dizer o que ocorreria daí p diante
Aquele sujo do Jack Ickx tirou com a bandeira vermelha a vitória certa do Senna, mas a vingança veio ao final do campeonato com o Laura se tornando campeão por apenas meio ponto em cima do Prost
@@TheColinChapmanSorry to disagree, Ayrton never admitted that he would never reach the end of the race. He said it was dangerous to drive with damaged suspension but not that it was impossible to drive and reach the end of the race. He hit the chicane on lap 10 and was going to pass Prost on lap 32 or 33. The race would end within two hours with Ayrton winning for sure. They did everything for a Frenchman to end up with the victory, it was like that with J.P. Beltoise in 1972 under the same conditions. It's always better to have a Frenchman win in Monaco than a Brazilian... which leads me to doubt the fairness of the marshals in this race
@@TheColinChapman Sorry again and with all due respect. But I believe you should hear Ayrton's post-race statement (unfortunately an interview in Portuguese) where he does not mention the possibility of not completing that race instead of reading third-party books.
@@malquezare with the same logic, I would say that the personal statement of a driver regarding his own matter is biased. I personally go with the verdict of the Toleman mechanics. I know that you are trying to glorify your national hero here, but we won‘t agree on this. Either way, thanks for your interest in replying, I wish you well.
Senna damaged his suspension by jumping on the curb. the engineer who disassembled and checked his car said that Senna would not have been able to finish the race if it had continued to the end. Senna thought that the victory was stolen from him, but in fact it was not so, he had no chance of winning at all, because behind him bellof was driving even faster in the slowest car of the championship. and no, Tyrrell's car was completely legal and didn't break any rules. the FIA disqualified the team because Ken Tyrrell, using the right of veto, did not allow to increase the fuel tank of the car (refueling is prohibited after 1983) a large fuel tank would deprive Tyrrell of the last advantage of an atmospheric engine, so the FIA delegates were constantly looking for something to disqualify him, and they succeeded, Tyrrell was disqualified for using ballast in the fuel tank. in fact, there was no point in this, and given the ban on refueling, there was no way Tyrrell could fool the FIA with the weight of the car. as a result, the following year, Tyrrell accepted an increase in the fuel tank and switched to Renault turbo engines himself.
@@carsismyaddiction6919 he was still 14 behind Senna, while Senna was 7 behind Prost. With a Ferrari and a McLaren he'd have to overtake on track before going after Senna, now in clean air.
@@Lightriks No. I am brazilian, but I know Senna's car had some issues he might as well DNF that race before it ended. I am no fanatic. That's the point.
