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Eurovision 2024 drama continues as radical fans continue to bully anyone who share a different opinions. Where discussion hide? Where Eurovision spirit has gone? Can we have it back? Let's talk!
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@asgerpetersen7936 Месяц назад

The fact that Marko first told about his experience in a podcast months after and didnt dared to tell it during Eurovision, really shows How oppressed some opinions are. Thanks to Bambie T for that 😡

@MarYan30 2 месяца назад

I saw this interview with Baby Lasagna (I'm Croatian) and this all is so exaggerated. Who ever translated this interview to English probably did a very bad job otherwise noone would pay any attention to it. It's like kindergarten.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

exactly

@millegoya 2 месяца назад

Whoever did translation of that part of podcast did such a terrible job that one must ask was it purposely with bad intention. He did not said Bambi barked like a dog but "she was screaming: "This is a festival of love and peace!" while foaming like dog with rabies". Bit unfortunate term but it is very in use in ex-Yu region when someone is angry and yelling. And it happened, obviously, we all saw it.

@mayamills5174 2 месяца назад

Love you Jan ❤ Thank you for speaking the truth and being so level-headed

@daphnewong8319 2 месяца назад

Thank you, Jan, for speaking on this issue in such an unbiased manner. Hopefully Marko isn’t affected by the undeserved hate he’s getting and continues to be who he is

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

no doubts about him :)

@Milvusmilvus-jo8vq 2 месяца назад

Marko showed everyone how professionals behave in their workplace - the environment they like or dislike. Professionalism of performers on stage and off stage is one of the most important things that the EBU community must insist on. Another thing is that "verbal agreements" more they don't work on this platform in these tense times.

@ds5379 2 месяца назад

Baby Lasagna saying out loud what we all think

@e.o.9094 2 месяца назад

Not all

@in_wino_veritas 2 месяца назад

@@e.o.9094he's definitely not speaking for me. Or for most western, open minded people.

@ds5379 2 месяца назад

@@e.o.9094 well let's say he's speaking for those who don't have styrofoam for brains

@drazenbicanic3590 2 месяца назад

@@in_wino_veritas Western open-minded thinkers who take away the right of others to have their own opinion and view of the world. About the same as Roberspier and Danton.

@robertrobert596 2 месяца назад

@@in_wino_veritas He speaks for me. Not everyone can speak for you, because otherwise it is not a democracy and it is a path towards radicalization of opinion if everyone spoke the way we would like. Marko is one of the examples of how an opposing opinion can be poorly presented, and this is not in the spirit of European democracy.

@misshippeia 2 месяца назад

Marko spoke out loud that all of us already knew - that horrifying woke squad of freaks ruined the ESC.

@JiajunYuPiano 2 месяца назад

We need Zibbz to perform their anti-bullying song "Stones" as an opening act of the semis.

@roy.moreno 2 месяца назад

Whatever Marko's opinions are about different topic, as you said, he kept them all to himself and kept Eurovision clean which is admirable, unlike those who kept pushing political agendas and trying to gain votes by supporting one side of a conflict which has nothing to do with them. Some of the artists were so vocal against Israel this year to a level in which they had been talking about it even before they were selected as their country's act. The EBU has let the contest become more and more political and we see artists coming to Eurovision with the sole purpose of promoting their own agendas, while forgetting they represent a whole country with many different opinions, in a contest which was created to unite people. If the EBU wants the contest to stay alive and become a-political, they should start disqualifying people for political statements. That letter, signed by 10 countries, is a clear political statement during a Eurovision season, using that platform to gain more views. They can think and say whatever they want before they try to represent a country and of course when the contest ends. Besides that, the fans should really chill. Marko spoke about Bambie and other artists being too dramatic and described the Israeli delegation as not as bad as people might think, and look what fans forced him to do - release a statement about the war, as if anything in that interview had anything to do with it... That is how "woke" people are destroying everything - using fear. The fans are as political as some of the artists, and they are destroying the Eurovision spirit they claim they want to save. We could all argue about the Israeli song, whether it was political or not, but one thing is for sure - the Israeli delegation did nothing wrong. People in the arena were overreacting when it came to Israel. All the dangers and the toxicity of the season was caused by those artists, fans and tons of protestors. Hoping for a peaceful contest in 2025, and of course, a peaceful world.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

I will just say, that right to protest or giving political statements outside of Eurovision has anyone, this is a right I will fight for. Also the right to criticise it is at the place. What I think should follow further punishments are political statements inside the Eurovision bubble, just simply don't belong there as you say, this contest represents hundreds of milions of people with different opinions and it cannot put artists agendas in front, however they feel its important. It's an absolute selfishness and unprofessionalism if you even say, how many other outlets they have. Ofc somethings were funny - like, one artist would boycott Eurovision but... yes, not that stupid to don't have a promo out of it. Basically made the amazing promo. Not sure if it worth it those 5 minutes of fame... but thats it. People are different, but again, the ones who screams for the most tolerance and respect are the ones who has no clue what those words really mean.

@roy.moreno 2 месяца назад

@@JanBors Of course if people want to protest, they're allowed to. What I meant was that some protestors were extreme and their protests were quite violent in their spirit, and not peaceful protests, and that's what made the environment dangerous. Obviously protesting is allowed :)

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

@@roy.moreno yes, but woke is killing every nice emotion we can have... for a better world probably. Feels rly like a communistic movement where we all must be equal (read the same) for a bigger purpose... fuck it

@markus_ch 2 месяца назад

I couldn’t agree more! Social media makes many people think, everything is only about themselves. Just don’t take yourself too seriously and treat everybody the way you want to be treated: in a nice and respectful way and with a generous mind.

@lauravalentine123 2 месяца назад

I just love how some people will attack Marko for speaking fact s and the truth. It s soo sad honestly. It s just soo funny to me how eveybody today is like: Oo we need to tell the truth and be honest bla bla bla. But when somone actually does that they are getting attacked and shamed and other stuff. Pls for all of you delusional freaks leave Marko alone. He didn t do nothing wrong. It s not his problem for speaking the truth. Tnx goodbye😊

@daphnewong8319 2 месяца назад

Agree 💯 Many people have been urging and encouraging artists from this year’s ESC to speak out on their experience, and yet when someone says something that challenges what they believed in, they dismiss or bash. Such hypocrisy. But those people are irrelevant. I will continue to support Marko no matter what.

@lauravalentine123 2 месяца назад

@@daphnewong8319 same Marko is the best😁

@isi9061 2 месяца назад

As usual you are very gentle and patient. What Marco described was a bunch of Immature condecending brats with anger managment issues. Yes the EBU is useless but it is also the role of the broadcasters to check who they are sending to eurovision. Comparing it to the olympics such scenes did not happen and I guess it's not just the level of singing that ia law in Eurovision.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

@@isi9061 I agree, many delegations failed this year. But this maybe is for another video. I just feel even talented people among producers resigned on the fact, they cannot rly act like producers, make decisions and being a bit more tough. Their parenting role is killed to this - I hope your soya latte is not too hot - behaviour. Nothing good out of this and EBU is just opportunistic. This is how you destroy trust for institutions from the inside.

@CoxaBranca 2 месяца назад

There are quite a few important differences between the Olympics and Eurovision that exacerbated the latter. Do people vote for athletes? Do athletes communicate hidden messages when they perform their sport? Does the Olympics have a shady title sponsor? There's a lot more to what went down at Eurovision than "politics", "war" and "religion", even without those things there were other issues that if you can start acknowledging you can start building a bridge to a solution (for Eurovision, not the conflict).

@isi9061 2 месяца назад

@@CoxaBranca The main differance is that in the olympics the judges ruled according to quality and achievments. In eurovision they vote according to where you come from' not just in connection to Israel but whether you are from the "enlightened" west or not. And the sponser is shady why? because the owner is a jewish woman?

@CoxaBranca 2 месяца назад

@@isi9061 When the EBU doesn't follow its own rules about song submission, judges can use their ethical judgement to consider voting or not, and several did vote. It's the equivalent of testosterone in the Olympics. Just because you can't test positive at the competition, doesn't mean you can juice up ahead of the competition. This is the effect submitting, on purpose, a song with lyrics that are not allowed before the competition and then singing a song with lyrics that are allowed at the competition. As for the company, it has nothing to do with gender or religion, they are shady because of cultural appropriation and we don't know how much monetary influence they are having on EBU decisions. As Jan suggests, the EBU is having a lot of problems with communication, it can't just be because they are dumb, there are other powers at play.

@isi9061 2 месяца назад

@@CoxaBrancaThe problem w using big words like" cultural appropriation" is when you have no idea about the culture. Some jews that came from morrocco have strong tyes to the culture. And just reminding you that the company was a sponsor when Michael ben david failed spectacularly in eurovision 2022. But I understand that you like concpirasy theories, so good luck w that.

@dragonblossom-qw2pl 2 месяца назад

Marko baby lasagna show how is nice behaviour normal person

@Trollsk_322k 2 месяца назад

Jan, thank you for putting words to my thoughts. I went on Baby Lasagnas IG and there was a post with him feeding cats in a shelter (with sponsored food), and there were so many hateful comments it made me sick. It’s sad when we let anger and disappointment blind us from what’s good. I think this rash cancel-culture is alarming and I agree with you that communicating is so important, especially if you disagree.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

@@Trollsk_322k at some point we stopped fighting stupidity, we tolarete people with zero tolarance and we ignore those facts. Ofc anyone can have a different opinions, this is our biggest diversity but if we let stupidity and hate wins, we will meet a big degress and less freedom afterwards. Imagine giving those poeple a power, immediately there will be only one opinion to follow. And Eurovision should be fighting it, EBU should be very vocal, broadcasters too. Instead all of them just look around not to piss someone

@Trollsk_322k 2 месяца назад

@@JanBorsI agree 100%. Hopefully this an other incidents has been an eye-opener to some of us.

@daphnewong8319 2 месяца назад

On the positive side, the hate comments on IG are only a minority, there are many more who defended and supported him, both Croatians and international ones. Cinan from Wiwibloggs and some fan pages and fan artists also made posts in support of him. This gives me hope that there is still love and understanding. And I can only hope that the hateful people can reflect on their actions and be better people.

@Trollsk_322k 2 месяца назад

@@daphnewong8319 Yes you’re right, and I do hope we can all work on our ability to be more understanding.

@elaychscrazyworld4173 2 месяца назад

Whilst I was a fan of Ireland, and an even bigger one of Greece (I was also a massive fan of Switzerland, who was playing the role of the calm one in this debacle) I defo think that Ireland was trying to use technicalities to express their known opinions, despite previously admitting that this was the EBU’s remit, and I think too many people are using their biases dogmatically and completely failing to use the needed theoreticals. People need to use these, which work in multiple ways, and be open minded. I miss the fact that in 2023, we were able to get plenty of times Israelis had good interactions with people who had known anti-Israel views a long time before October (I was very delighted to witness a Netta and Dadi insta story during the 2023 contest on Merseyside in spite of having known him like this since the petition incident - he would of course be my 2nd fave of 2020 and 4th of 2021 despite my full awareness of this)

@prairiefarmgirl 2 месяца назад

Please be 'tolerant' unless we don't like your political or cultural view then we will cancel you or destroy your life. Hypocritical - double standards! It is very sad and I agree with you Jan. I don't have to like all the performers but I can respect them, unless they are attacking others...antisemitism was at Eurovision or at least anti-Israel. (renewed membership after this...)

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

🙏❤️

@oravenheart 2 месяца назад

I think the fact that they are busy rehashing petty drama from months ago instead of how to leverage the huge exposure they got to advance the artistic career shows how much ESC lost focus.

@Klayhamn 2 месяца назад

You're a good man, Jan.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

thank you🙏

@gabesalgado789 2 месяца назад

Everyone who booed the Israeli artist should be ashamed. That's not what Eurovision is about.

@GrantESC 2 месяца назад

Ah yes, let’s ignore genocide. Also, the Israeli delegation were bullying and harassing everyone the whole time anyway.

@e.o.9094 2 месяца назад

I am actually very proud. NO tolerance with genocides.

@in_wino_veritas 2 месяца назад

@e.o.9094 yes, I agree. Plus, they also booed its government committing genocide, not the artist, who's actually Russian anyway.

@voltproduction7474 2 месяца назад

Actually her father is Latvian and mother Ukrainian@@in_wino_veritas

@josephnewsome2935 2 месяца назад

@@in_wino_veritasand the whole booing the artist is dumb when you remember Tali is also Israeli and we didn’t boo her

@Carois78 2 месяца назад

Welcome to the abyss: once again Pandora's box opened / the exposing of political double standards 👿 According to the motto of: 'Fight fire with fire'. Just sad.

@David.Lee-CM-THAI 2 месяца назад

As for the music in ESC - for me that last good show was 2021. Since then musically it's been an abyss. Ghastly.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

for sure there is so much more potential than whag countries are sending

@trickexp 2 месяца назад

I'm back! I had to see this... even though I'm a tier down. Other than that, great video! :) - That's pretty sad. || - Another hypocrite/spineless one, just like Käärijä and others. Overall, they should drop the politics and what he said about Bambie is just the right attitude, as they behaviour doesn't belong in the ESC. It's a pity that he disappointed some of his fans that appreciated his neutral and open view, which left the politics aside.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

@@trickexp its hard, that some can openly say whatever including antisemitism, hatred, waving ideological flags and demands respect, but when you have a difference stance, you are pure evil. Even though, he did not say anything bad. Just an opinion and his view. Those agendas are wild. Issue is, there is noone from any authority to rly say it out loud. Incopetence on the most important levels.

@daphnewong8319 2 месяца назад

I am not disappointed by anything Marko said. In fact I applaud him for saying something that challenges what people assumed and believed in.

@11o3964 2 месяца назад

he did not engage in politics in the podcast. He condemned politicking and asked what the problem was, so these people were quiet and did not harass anyone and why so much noise. Not for a single moment did he touch on the politics of the war of Semitism and anti-Semitism. A man commented on the harassment of a girl. I adore Marko because he was raised the way I raise my children. They mistreated the girl even before she arrived, and that has nothing to do with the reaction of Israeli television. The people who waved the flags of love are mental abusers who put all the participants in danger. Yelling and threatening people holding automatic weapons a meter away from you is abnormal. All the participants were scared.

@in_wino_veritas 2 месяца назад

I don't know, if this fits here, but yes, juries should be abolished at Eurovision. They can leave it at the national final stage, though, otherwise people with well known names in their countries with mediocre songs could win against better songs. But at Eurovision itself? No.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

juries are must, absence of them in semifinals already showing that quality is missing and all is about stagings, not music. But reformed juries principle for sure

@sirena3470 2 месяца назад

During the Eurovision week, Israeli songwriter had been recording and posting Bambie in her Instagram stories without Bambie's consent (even wrote threatening and ridiculing captions about Bambie). Israeli channel KAN's commentators told the audience to prepare their "curses and insults" before Bambie's semi final performance. Baby Lasagna probably didn't know those details and that's why he was confused when Bambie snapped at being recorded by the Israeli delegation

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

how is this connected? ... Bambie said lies about Israel and brought politics constantly to the show. She never mentioned even Ireland, it was all about other stuff. Anyway, he just was talking about overreactions. Which we saw also... nothing else. What is important, that what he said got mad and stupid people to write him threats... if you think this is normal regardless whatever context, idk what to think..

@sirena3470 2 месяца назад

@@JanBorsWhat lies did Bambie say exactly? And tbh, it was Israel who brought politics to the show by sending a political song to compete. And if you actually had followed Bambie's interviews throughout Eurovision season, you would have known that Bambie talked about Ireland, lgbti/non-binary identity and art all the time, talked about politics too yes, but it wasn't the only thing Bambie talked about. I never said it's okay for people to write nasty things and threats about Baby Lasagna. I dont think he had bad intentions anyway. But he shared only his experience and other artists had different experiences with Israeli delegation, he probably wasn't aware of that

@asgerpetersen7936 Месяц назад

@@sirena3470You are so naive if you really believe on bambie. She talks about love and peace while not accepting other opinions than her own. Then starts to cry like a baby to get support. She is everyhing that the contest is not about.

@sirena3470 Месяц назад

There is literally video/photo proof of Israeli delegation members and Israeli channel commentators bullying Bambie (and some other participants). And after Bambie made an official complaint to Ebu about those incidents, Ebu admitted that Israeli parties broke the rules and they started an investigation. The investigation is still open by the way, you can google it and see yourself

@mike.a5726 2 месяца назад

Although ganging up against a 20 year old girl is stupid, you can't blame all those artist for being political when ebu was in the first place by allowing Israel to participate and use the contest as a propaganda tool as any other country would in this kind of a situation. Baby Lasagna's comments could have been avoided. We shouldn't go on a witch hunt but he stirred things up himself. The contest is on a weird path since 2022 and it's not looking good ...

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

Well, EBU members should be against israel participation in such case and they werent. So EBU is not here to cancel it members without other members want to. case closed. Fans bullying artist - for sure it doesnt belong. BL commented in podcast. Why not. Others were commenting the situation all the time, so why not him. The contest feels rly weird and for various reasons. One of them is just this wrong communication of EBU

@elaychscrazyworld4173 2 месяца назад

@@JanBors the problem is that it isn’t really in the remit for YLE, RTE or RUV whereas Russia is a nation which borders Finland and wants a war with wider NATO, which, whether Israel is acting disproportionately, and whether people in its government have more extreme designs, doesn’t really have more than on extremist groups, even though it’s the ordinary people who suffer.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

@@elaychscrazyworld4173 this has nothing to do with my comment. But ok. Once again. Israel was attacked. Israel dont use propaganda against othet nations. KAN whatever you want to think of it doesnt have shows where hosts are saying to Nuke Prague, Warsaw or marching with armies to Lisbon. Russia was expelled completely from EBU. EBU is much more than just Eurovision.

@elaychscrazyworld4173 2 месяца назад

@@JanBors there are some issues, but it’s clearly not on that scale. Israel is a competitive, open democracy still reeling from a horrific attack on a community that had a diverse array of opinions, and which has led to a lot of it feeling alienated. Eurovision is a major opportunity for people to see the diversity of Israel and its democracy, and an opportunity for those in Israel who support it to keep it alive! I have Israeli roots and progressive views so it is important for people like me to be included in this world

@josephnewsome2935 2 месяца назад

@@JanBorsif that’s the case can everyone stop mocking Isaiah ( Australia 2017 ) for one voice crack he had in the semi final Cmon he was 17 do you think he could hold everything perfectly and everyone just ignores his final performance

@escziva69 2 месяца назад

It's very clear that Baby Lasagna is clueless on this issue, when he claimed the Israeli delegation was kind to Bambie. - KAN has bullied every single anti-bibi contestants online and the Israeli narrators made very mean comments on those artists... after all the harassments from KAN, no wonder why Bambie was frustrated! - Bambie, Nemo, and Marina said literally nothing dedicated to Eden Golan, yet they are called "bullies"... I agree that screaming to KAN members or acting sleepy during Eden's speach is not so gentle, but it's pretty far from actual bullying and not even close to what KAN did! - Eden Golan know the consequences she'll be facing when she decided to represent a country with a heartless government, yet she's playing the victim.

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

@@escziva69 well, he was sharing what he saw. Why would he lie? This is exactly what I am talking in the video. Also bullies just wanted to be interesting. Fulled all the radicals. You are an amazing example. Basically you can be given facts and you'll have your own truth. Its sad but what can I do.

@nanon8501 2 месяца назад

There are two sides to the coin and it is very sad that you choose not to address Bambi's horrible behavior. From the the beginning she was open about her desir to boycott the Israeli delegation, put politics in Eurovision and Literally poisoned others participants on Israel. She is anything but innocent so enough to describe her as such. You are acting hypocrisy and we all know because it's Israel. There is no place for boycotts, faces and disrespect at Eurovision. Bully behavior is not acceptable.

@escziva69 2 месяца назад

@@JanBors BL had no clue how pro-bibi KAN treated these artists so... giving an interview on it is pretty much pointless? Also what exactly makes Bambie, Nemo and Marina a bully? Because they stood up for themselves and boycotted Israel's participation? How is it bullying, but mocking several contestants publicly isn't?

@JanBors 2 месяца назад

@@escziva69 why are you bringing this to this conversation. We talk about how behaviours were there. How it fulled hatred instead of discussion. I think I commented on this matter a lot. This video is about that if an artist says something else, than you expect, it creates madness. As I see also from your comment, I was right with this. Sadly

@nanon8501 2 месяца назад

@@escziva69And you are sound like pro HAMAS. There is no proud of support terrorist organization. The pro Palestinians movement not helping Palestinians just spread more Jew hatred. Israel still participates and I hope all Haters of any participant measured by the consequences of their actions. See you there in May ❤🇮🇱