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Not sure that is accurate last century in Europe when they tested the bioavailibily of protein and the essentials amino acides they found in their try that collagen added to protein had a negative effect and reduced the bioavailibily. They recommended to not mix it
Been adding 15g of collagen for about two years on top of 30g of whey protein - nice to hear it has apparently more benefits than just helping keep my joints healthy👍
Adding 15g collagen to my whey & casein shakes has seemed to clear up a long standing joint fatigue issue that I had from lifting. I can't think of anything else that could account for it.
That’s so crazy that I somehow knew this instinctively. I take 5 grams leucine, 5 grams creatine, 10 grams glutamine along with 48 grams of whey + 15 grams of collagen. I just figured if I’m spiking mtor post workout like that I would likely benefit from throwing my collagen in for enhanced protein synthesis and partitioning… sometimes it really does help when you understand the science behind certain things. You don’t really need the studies to assume it would be effective 30-60 mins post workout for the last insulinogenic protein spike for the day
I’ve been consuming 30g of whey and 15g of collagen and 5g of creatine mono and 3g of HMB post workout for the last few years and I love it. My skin is healthier, hair doesn’t fall out in the shower, joints never hurt anymore and recover “feels” faster. The only 4 supplements you’ll ever need if your diet is on point 👌🏻
So i make some kind of pudding with the gelatin leaves made from connective tissue and joints. Like with cream aka Panna cotta. Or with berries. Do you thibk it would fit the same purpose?
Thanks Thomas. Good information here. I have been managing rheumatoid arthritis without shots for over 4 years. I get a LOT of help from your channel. The establishment medical "professionals" claimed that I had to stop eating red meat completely as the type of fat in red meat would trigger inflammation. I cut out red meat for over a month and felt WAY worse. I started to bring red meat back in as a cheat. I felt WAY better after consumption. I have gradually added red meat back in and now consume a good amount every week. Especially lean burger. Along with supplements, diet and exercise, I have proven the establishment doctors wrong, at least in my personal experience. If I ever decide to supplement collagen, I will try out Bub's. Thank you again. I hope that your wife is doing well in treating her auto-immune issues, as well.
Low carb, no processed food, no inflammatory food like glutens, minimal pesticides in vegetables that too something like tomatoes, zucchini instead of something like kale, cooking vegetables, beans thoroughly with pressure to not cause inflammation, along with animal meat cooked well and sleep and some or a little more exercise and less stress in life is the right path for you. Use boney animal meat, animal bones for making bone broth (pressurized cooking). Drink as soup. This is mainly for your joints. This is collagen. This is good.
@@simplehealthyliving4681 Thank you for the advice. Very sound. I appreciate that you took the time to share that information with me. Have a good day!
I remembered to tell you, a few things: In case you eat some beans, eat only the beans that are more widely eaten (meaning easily edible that do not cause inflammatory problems when eaten in limited amounts). Soak with water for several hours before cooking. *Throw away this water.* Pressure cook with water. *Throw away this water again.* Strain out the fully cooked beans, make whatever dish you want to make with it and in a meal eat at most a handful of it (unprocessed animal based cooked food is your central food).
…taking psyllium with your supplements absorbs much of its water content…which will slow absorption of the protein and can cause gas and bloating…better take alone in the morning with lots of water…this affects the gut more effectively as a prebiotic….
Thank you Thomas, for all the hard work and effort you put forth to produce your videos... Everytime I watch one of your videos I learn something that is vital and critical-- thanks for doing the research!
I didn't know this but have been including collagen peptides with my whey protein in a post workout shake for a long time now. I take collagen for the benefits to skin health and tissue repair as I age. When I don't have a shake I just eat a steak lol
I eat a lot of pork rinds. It's half protein, half fat, but the protein is collagen rich and doesn't support other tissues. It's good for epithelial cells wherever they are.
I make a raw milk milkshake most days. Here's my recipe if you want to try: 8-10oz Raw grassfed milk 20-30g collagen 4.9g glycine powder (has l proline and taurine) 25g unflavored whey concentrate 3-5g raw cacao powder 3-5g cocoa (nice flavor) 1-2g colostrum 2-4 raw eggs I usually add a few ice cubes and some additional water. You can also go for a berry smoothie with strawberries and blueberries if you want to skip on the chocolate. Sweeteners - stevia drops, raw honey sometimes ( whatever you like for healthy Sweeteners.)
Is glycine made in a lab or extracted from meat and is lab-made glycine safe to consume in spoonfuls (with regard to heavy metals or preservatives)? I appreciate any help. Thank you.
I put a scoop or two of collagen in my black coffee every morning...then have a whey protein shake mid morning. With very light lifting and simple things like pushups and walking (8-12k steps a day) I've dropped about 20lbs and a few inches on my waist in about 4months...look and feel much better. Basically I focused on increasing my protein and walking more with less chips/snacks/sugar.
@@stevebeef4818 I just put one scoop in...dissolves and doesn't change the taste or anything. I use the Orgain collagen peptides from Walmart, 20g per scoop
As someone older, who resumed weights after a very long lay off, I intuitively added collagen to every whey or milk protein shake I consumed. I reasoned that there was zero benefit to building muscle if the joints, ligaments and tendons were not built up accordingly, especially as we get older. With collagen, being the principle components of these supporting structures, adding it to whey simply seemed to be a sensible idea. It's now reassuring to know, from this research, that it was a wise decision. Thank you Thomas
OMG, I've been taking collagen peptides, EAA and leucine along with the whey protein all along because I thought it was a good idea! PS: I've been getting more ground beef in lately, and I've been eating my share of pork rinds all along, too. Lately, I've been on a lamb loin chops kick. Since I've been aware of the challenges with connective tissue at ages past 50 (it's hard for my connective tissue to keep up with skeletal muscle) I've been loading up on collagen in many forms.
Dear Thomas, i was impressed by your honesty about your background and especially the compulsive aspect.. can it be possible that there is a need to have to bring out so many videos because of this? Who are you serving then ? Your goodwill towards the health of others and/or your compulsive tendinsies.. I am sure there is a big heart towards the world behind all those muscles ❤️💪😘
eat oats soaked in milk and put whey protein in after workout. Oats do have a significant amount of glycine even though it is plant based. Or eat some walnuts.
Collagen is very important. Especially when you are older. My diet has a lot of collagen rich food like beef/pork tendons. I really like the texture and chewiness.
That makes a lot of sense. I've been having more joint problems since I've been neglecting my collagen intake which I'm not going to do anymore. I will take whatever collagen Thomas recommends and combine it with My Body Fortress Whey protein
I take a scoop of collagen powder each morning. Is this ok, or does the collagen and whey protein have to be taken together in order to get the benefits described in this video? Thank you Thomas, I enjoy your work and have learned so much from you.
Good info for sure. ** Word of Caution to those who get Cold Sores ** Collagen Peptides have way higher levels of the Amino Acid Arginine compared to Lysine. Making it a possible trigger for outbreaks similar to other foods. Whey protein, especially the isolates, have higher Lysine to Arginine ratios. Making them much more safe for those of us that suffer from sporadic Cold Sore outbreaks from trigger foods. Cocoa butter is also a big one I had to learn the hard way...
This is all you need for collagen, you don't need to buy it seperately. Intersting this video guy doesn't say food's that contain collagen! just the discount code 😀
I've been adding collagen peptides to my whey protein for a couple of years. A few months ago I started adding about 3000mg glycine powder to my whey and collagen shake. I have noticed an improvement in my joints .
Been doing low carb, high protein diet since March. Lost 20lbs total (140lbs now), I felt the best I have in over 15 years. Then out of nowhere this weekend my pancreas got pancreatitis. I am no longer allowed to eat fats until it calms down. Have to go to carbs instead. Weird that when I ate crap, drank and didn't exercise regularly everything was fine. Then after going intensely healthy for months, no alcohol, no sugar, only clean meals, daily exercise, I get a random angry pancreas. Life sucks sometimes. Damn murphy's law.
Yeah Murphy's an a-hole. In time, maybe you can get past OR figure out the pancreatic problem/issue - but I can't IMAGINE that those fundamental improvements you've made - and will continue to learn and make - won't improve you from the inside out, for your entire life. 👍
Good to know. I've been taking whey and bovine collagen for breakfast, clear whey alone post workout, and glycine before bedtime (which also helps with sleep). I'll just continue doing this!
The video/studies is most likely talking about collagen peptides. Collagen peptides are the building blocks of collagen and can be used by the body to synthesize proteins
This is technically true of when you eat protein too. Taking callogen and protein, your body will break it all back down into amino acids and then use those amino acids to create the proteins that it needs. Thomas has a video explaining the function
I have been consuming 40-60G a day of collagen and 10G a day of additional glycine a day, and it has been life changing. (M 218 LBS, 6ft, 180G protein a day for context). I am 41, and train 5 days a week pretty hard. I fully believe the collagen is keeping my joints healthy. Everyone at their 30s talks about joint pain -- me on the other hand, broken ankle, broken knee, hip arthritis, and I'm doing 350 lb deads, 275 lb squats, tabata, and rucking 60 lbs 3x a week with no issue. Before my collagen, I could only train once a week, or my ankle, knee, hip etc hurt. Other than this, over the last year my wrinkles have decreased, and my hair has been growing in longer. I found siim land on youtube a couple years back and followed his collagen dosing video, and added some. Life changing.
Nice. I have been taking 20-30g of collagen a day with 25g whey in a protein shake. I also take EAAs on top and take them first thing in the morning before my workout
Which type of collagen are you mainly taking? Type 2 would seem to be fhe best for what you're describing but im finding it in very few brands if anything. Its mainly type 1 and 3.
Sorry to ask I am not too sure if it's appropriate to ask here, can plant protein be used as replacement? Mainly on count of lactose intolerance and hence, whey digestion is issue. Appreciate your guidance. Thanks in anticipation (India)
since glycine has a sweet taste i add it to my tea and since i drink tea all day everyday i probally get around 15g of glycine from drinking tea alone + 3g? from 15g collagen.. enough for collagen synthesis atleast wich is 12grams/day. Shout out to Siimland
Obviously didn't have a clue about this study. Started adding up collagen to my whey protein a few years ago. It really nice to know that scientists confirmed my theory and I was doing right thing 😅
Ive been doing this for several months now, mixing whey, casein and collagen in my shakes. I was taking the collagen for my skin, but its nice to know it helps in other ways.
Question Thomas: if you’re taking 20 gms whey protein a day in a smoothie but doing this as part of a weight-reduction program not for muscle building, are there any downsides? Would appreciate your thoughts, we have been on this strategy for about six weeks and it seems to be providing energy and satiety and assisting weight loss
i have been using beef protin whey and collo together for a long time! I am well never had an injurey! 30grams of beef 29 whey 15grams of collo. Yes i take testosteron. 350 sus a week.
Because they didn't sponsor the video. You could argue that collagen also adds proline. I don't think that is really an issue, but it sounds like an convincing argument you could use to make other people buy your product instead. I like glycine. It is only about 5% in most proteins, but a third in collagen, so it does seem reasonable that you have a deficiency in that specific amino acid. But if you make sure you eat enough protein, I don't really think that is an issue. In this study the participants had 1.27 g protein per kg body weight. That's not ideal. With 2 g/kg the study may not have found a publishable result.
To add to that, last couple of days content creators about lifestyle/health/nutrition seem to me to have gone batshiz crazy with these video titles, all seem to be fishin for clicks, clickbait titles.
@@bultvidxxxix9973 Trainer recommended I take 15 or so grams with EAA's in am since I was training on empty stomach because being a women I needed some protein to help my body know protein is coming and helps women to to build more muscle mass eating more protein via a supplement ( this I have to have) I can't seem to reach my goals enough. I did feel great through entire work out .
I purchased this to gain, not loss weight. Will this make me lose weight? Anyone, please. I've been going thur a thing and have loss weight. The Doc said I should shed a few pounds because of my height, but I'm uncomfortable . I'm just trying to gain back at least 10 to 14 pounds. Thanks if anyone can help.
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buy some beef shanks or cow heels and boil em. Throw out water after and hour, get fresh water and boil, for another hour..add aromatics, potato, carrot (maybe a little butternut squash from anice buttery texture) , stock, seasoning and boom. meat collagen and broth. I make it weekly!
Hi, I bought 2 kg of Pea protein thinking that I do like the taste of peas; I Had one sip, I couldn`t drink it; and so, even though I dispies throwing especially food away, it went into the garbage after lying around a year.... Maybe you can try it somewhere??? Most of the time I use the unflavored whey with fresh milk, (unheated)
I have seen many studies that a big procentage of protein powder supplements are contaminaded with melamin. But I haven't found information about specific brands. Has someone tested any protein powder for melamin?
No brand pays for these kinds of test, I have aks many personally. Absolutely no state agency tests for melamin either. The reason people put melamin in the protein powder is to trick the test for protein content. This test actually measures the amount of nitrogen and based on that it calculates the protein percentage. If you put melamin the test will show much higher protein content. For example the supplement might have only 35% but any test will show 70% with just a few grams of melamin. So you have to test each powder for menalin specifically. Any other test won't do. Even the most respectful brands get their whey from China, and don't produce it. So there is no guarantee.
Give me a brand that has been tested. I would be very happy to buy from them. Melamine is not plastic. It is deadly only to babies as far as I know. But it causes kidney issues. Don't tell me you don't know bodybuilders suffering from those. Anyway, I might be a cinic, but I would only believe tests.
It's not as though if you take a whey protein supplement drink you aren't getting the "right" proteins for connective tissue synthesis from other foods as well. Unless most of your protein is from this source, and it really shouldn't be, this is a non issue for the vast majority of people
In the context of longevity, do you think it's important to mention that animal protein is associated with decreased lifespan? "July 13, 2020, by JAMA Internal Medicine, looked at the survival rates of more than 416,000 people who'd reported their diet and lifestyle information 16 years earlier (when they were 50 to 71 years old). In this study, shifting just 3% of calorie intake from animal protein (meat, poultry, fish, or dairy products) to plant protein corresponded with a 10% decrease in death from any cause over that period, for both men and women. In particular, replacing eggs and red meat with plant proteins appeared to reduce death risk by as much as 24% in men and 21% in women - especially in people with high intake of eggs and red meat."
I’ve been doing this after my workouts anyway just to get both in one drink. I’m 60 so I need all the help I can get. My son uses just the Whey after lifting, but he is 24, should he use collagen too or is he young enough to have an adequate amount already?
Brothers, does the carnivore diet cure rheumatoid arthritis??? Is natural butter allowed with the diet? Is natural obesity allowed? I have rheumatoid arthritis and I have a deformity in my knees and I don't know what the solution is!!
### Key Takeaways from Thomas DeLauer's Video: 1. **Two Types of Protein Synthesis**: - **Muscle Protein Synthesis (MPS)**: Primarily stimulated by whey protein. - **Connective Tissue Protein Synthesis (CPS)**: Important for maintaining and building connective tissues like tendons and ligaments. 2. **Impact of Whey Protein**: - While whey protein effectively promotes muscle growth, it does not support CPS and can decrease glycine levels, which are vital for connective tissue synthesis. 3. **Historical Diet vs. Modern Supplementation**: - Historically, humans consumed whole animals, providing a balanced intake of muscle and connective tissues. Modern supplementation often isolates proteins like whey, leading to potential imbalances. 4. **Study Findings on Combining Whey and Collagen**: - Adding collagen to whey protein post-workout increases glycine levels. - Higher collagen intake correlates with increased glycine but slightly reduces muscle protein synthesis due to reduced whey protein. 5. **Recommendation**: - Maintain your usual whey protein intake and add collagen to ensure both muscle and connective tissue synthesis are supported. 6. **Glycine's Role in Muscle Health**: - Glycine prevents muscle wasting and supports muscle protein synthesis. - Enhances leucine’s effectiveness, improving protein synthesis, especially under stress or inflammation. 7. **Practical Advice**: - Mix collagen with whey protein in your post-workout shake. - Consume whole cuts of meat, including gristle, to naturally intake collagen and glycine. 8. **Product Endorsement**: - DeLauer recommends Bub's Naturals collagen for its quality and charitable contributions. ### Conclusion: Combining whey protein with collagen is crucial for balanced muscle and connective tissue health. Adequate glycine intake is essential for effective protein synthesis, preventing muscle wasting, and supporting overall recovery.
Really good info. ...If you have an in with them, can you chat with them about the plastic containers? Would love to see less wasteful packaging, like how AG1 and Kion use sealable bags.
Maybe this is contributing to my insertional Achilles tendon problem. It has been a persistent problem that comes back when I put stress on the area. I take both Collagen and Whey protein, just not at the same time--until now. Thank you for the info.
I have been doing something similar. I do 20 whey, 10 collagen and 2 leucine post work out. It is important to be getting adequate B's if you are eating a lot of protein. But always have at least one complete protein meal, meat/fish/chicken/day.
@Thomas Deauer I've been counting macros and calories for several weeks now, and find the information available out there is quite confusing. I just did a search for calories in cooked Jasmin rice and for the same 100g, I get calories ranging from 129 to 225. Do you have a reliable source for nutritional iformation ? As well, if you or your team do get to read this, have you done a video on how to calculate our individual caloric needs for maintenance (how to determine the line below which I am in deficit, or above which I am in surpus) ?
I guess it’s about the differences of cooked or uncooked, and how much water the rice absorbed while cooking will affect the final weight. Best is to measure it dry before cooking
nutritional labels are not accurate. they can easily vary by 20%. there is nothing you can do about that. also rice and grains will have a different nutritional profile depending on where and how its grown and what the exact subspecies is. as for the cooked grains, it's completely pointless to look at that because you can cook it with little water or with a lot of water, which will further dilute your nutrients
Interesting! A few weeks back there was a sale on whet protein isolate (haha I know).. and I also have a container of college (beef), and combined them just to make my life simpler when consuming, I was hoping I was doing the right thing.
@@omoton802 it does not have negative impact over muscles when eating properly and has many benefits like increase insulin sensivity, accelerated autophagy. plus you give a rest to your digestive system which is not meant to work many hours daily.
@@catalinrota4140 I know what intermittent fasting is "supposed" to do. I'm telling you that recent studies have found no benefit for time restricted eating over eating the same food in a "normal" time window. IF has many negative outcomes one being lack of muscle growth or even loss during fasting hours. As muscle mass, quality and strength is a good indicator of longevity and health in general, IF can have a negative effect without any gains. IF can be good for weight loss but only because people who use IF tend to restrict calories but the outcome would be no different to restricting calories any other way. Also autophagy which is a benefit of fasting in general needs much longer that 24 hours to have an effect, more like 2-3 days at least.
Gonna ask the dumb question: doesn't that mean the "bad/cheap" protein bars and whey that has collagen-protein as a second or third source is actually not bad at all?
