Maybe ask your buddy Asmongold who keeps feeding this tribalism with his non stop clickbait takes. Maybe open your eyes and admit the truth. Him and other drama merchants are a big part of why the issue is so widespread now.
There are three big controversial topics ART, religion, and politics. Unfortunately the gaming space is definitely a grouped into art. Its gonna be pretty hard to get away from criticism. However I agree people seem to enjoy being polarized now a days.
I think Kitty brings up a lot of valid points and criticism. I think if we just listen to what she is trying to communicate, our gaming lives and our lives in general will be that much better. Thank you Kitty for keeping it real. Hoping for a speedy recovery.
Especially about Kitty's point about going outside :p Though, to be fair, going outside (at least in the daytime), is hazardous to your health in my area.
Kitty is clearly very educated as we can tell by the excessive meowing. But I fear she too is completely one sided and blinded by her desire to go outside.
I discovered your channel via the Diablo review; I thought it was a well-balanced POV with a human touch. You show empathy, and this is needed in gaming. Please stay focused on the net positive you bring to this genre. ❤
I agree completely, I think if we complained less or didnt put our expectations too high for our own joy to even be extrated from a game, I think watching and hearing people hate on diablo I wouldnt be so bothered by it, So I'll just say that its the PLAYERS resposibility to not absorb the frustrations of other peoples oppinion on what ever game we play.
This seems to be a thing with the world in general. Social media echo chambers have turned our conversations about basically anything these days completely polarized. I hope that people like you and Raxx noticing it in gaming makes us all notice it everywhere and start to change it.
I was going to post something similar. It sadly isn't just a gaming thing anymore. The people that are most vocal and passionate about something seem to be the extreme ends, and they go at it over everything.
Please continue to use your videos as therapy sessions. Reasonable people share your feelings and you’re the most engaging and relatable advocate of these thoughts I’ve seen on this topic.
This is very important, because most reasonable people won’t engage with polarizing statements, as there’s no point in arguing a stranger who has their mind set on something.
I agree, look competition is good but when all someone is doing is comparing it to another game it just feels like they are trying to justify why there choice is better. Very childish. Talk about why you are excited for the game, not why x game is better than y game...
this comment was my opinion. I appreciate your opinion and that's why I subbed. The world is full of toxic people and as your fan base grows naturally you will get more and more. Don't let them get you down. Feed on the positive and know you will always have people in your corner. Your Killin it. Looking forward to seeing other games on YT.
"I got sick of my own negativity", really well said and poignant. I think the gaming industry and fandom alike would benefit greatly from your philosophy on this.
Poignant doesn't mean what you think it means. I was making the exact same mistake in the same way as you, and so was one of my best friends until someone informed us
Fandom has become toxic. Look at Star Wars. Ok, the new trilogy wasn't great, if you ask me, but I was entertained, and sometimes that's good enough. Star Wars fans couldn't appreciate a movie, if the Godfather 2 of Star Wars movies landed at their feet. They'd find something to complain about. And that's essentially all of internet culture and fandom nowadays.
@@jesperbcexactly man.. the cancel culture has spread into complain about everything and anything just to complain and never be happy🙄 Life’s too short for all that🤷🏻♂️
@@Pickle_Riiiickprobably entitlement stemming from being spoonfed quality without knowing what it takes to create something good since most of these whiners hace never done something productive?
This is honestly why I subscribed here. I really appreciate this perspective and the realistic attitude. It doesn't feel overhyped or played into and it's SO refreshing to see someone legitimately trying to enjoy things for what they are and acknowledging flaws reasonably. I remember your first D4 playthrough, not looking at guides and just trying to HAVE FUN. We need more of that.
here's the thing...... Games were meant to be a side hobby to real life. we have now made such a manic following of gamers that it has really put a damper on the industry and in turn that makes these companies monetize everything because they know followers of streamers and people who make money playing these games are going to throw money hand over fist at those said companies. Games were meant to be a hobby not a career and that is where we got off track because now everyone thinks they can be a gamer and make a living off of it..... dont get met me wrong there is massive skill involved in high level gaming..... but overall the fun of games has dipped dramatically over the last decade
The silent, balanced players are out there, we just observe the extremes in silence. I got tired of the extremes as well, but this is why I consume content from you or asmongold - to look at objective information. Keep it up, take breaks early, don’t burn yourself out over people that just hate stuff for the sake of hating.
Me honestly man, I had to stop watching Asmongold for the exact opposite reason. He’s gone from good, balanced takes to honestly just inciting arguments and making baseless, and bad, takes about the game or whatever he’s talking about. He goes out of his way to make humorous content about what’s being said rather than ACTUALLY making a backed-up, solidified point like DM consistently does. He bitches about the game having certain mechanics that only existed because he was refusing to play the game in a way that would bypassed or fixed those mechanics. He lets his specific moment to moment experiences and thoughts dictate his entire viewpoint on something rather than being able to make an overarching opinion. He’s close to unbearable to watch at times because of how much he makes apples to oranges comparisons to back his thoughts and arguments and doesn’t delve into anything past the humor or original statement. Edit: and don’t even get me STARTED on his community. Holy fuck. Biggest cesspit of negativity I’ve ever seen who collectively circlejerk everything asmon has to say
Asmon objective? I think he’s entertaining but the man is Whitney man child. He literally rage quit cuz necro minion was supposed to be bad yet it’s prob the most op build this season. Didn’t even wait to see what was possible. Got triggered by an easy capstone dungeon. He made some points but he also is part of the crowd exaggerating things
@@thisdamnguyagain4450 EXACTLY what I’m saying as well, thank you. He lets his emotions dictate his entire current opinion about whatever he’s talking about and it’s getting unbearable to watch
I'm a 45 year old gamer , and you've become my favorite RU-vid gamer to watch because you're someone I could picture actually being friends with. Keep up the good conversations my man. I understand your frustrations, but thank you for bringing to light what a lot of us are thinking too.
Ya sadly gaming is all about sponsors and streamers nowadays. That's why games are trash and older games are gaining popularity. Deva actually cared about gamers back in the day.
You're seeing it in the comments now, and you'll keep on watching this evolve as your channel grows. We like your content because we feel like there's finally some middle ground and an actual constructive conversation to be had. It sure is frustrating and a bit tiring at times, but we need more people like you in this business. Someone who is able to voice his thoughts reasonably, without going out of his way to bring down or overpraise a game, but actually find both the good and the bad in the product that he is trying out. I personally am very glad that a person like you, who is seemingly simple and down to earth, has made something unique and quite frankly great out of his hobby, has matured, and so far doesn't seem to have taken an sort of snobby attitude towards his audience, just because he "Made it". The world needs more genuine people like you to show that it's not always black and white. D4 will flourish as it continues to evolve, PoE2 is gonna be great, Last Epoch is well on it's way of becoming another great ARPG title, and we're all here to listen to what your thoughts on these games are going to be. Never change DM. Hope you have a wonderful day!
Yep it is everything. As a hobby I mess around with drum machines and keyboards. There are a lot of RU-vidrs creating content on this subject, if someone is even remotely passionate about a particular product and expresses it theres always someone waiting in the comments (or even different content creators) ready to jump down their throat and accuse them of being wrong / a fanboy / a shill / dumb etc etc. Whatever the subject, people just want to oppose what is being said and be seen to be doing so.
"I got sick of my own negativity" You figured it out, man. Takes a lot of people a looooot longer to break that cycle. Some never get there. And that's why we fw you, DM. You're a real-ass dude just trying to shoot the shit with other emotional adults that have broken out of the matrix of endless negativity and bullshit, and it's so damn refreshing.
Some of our internal negativity is residual from our childhood and adolescence. The frustrations of growing into a valid adult can leave a lot of baggage that only fades through some type of catharsis. Venting and complaining can be therapeutic in that regard. The crux of the problem is when it becomes the common mode of release/relief. Two things happen at this point: it becomes habitual/compulsive and it detracts from addressing issues in better or more constructive ways. That's why people who complain all the time, typically feel less mature than they should. TL; DR Personal growth is hard.
One of the silent viewers here. Just want you to know that your nuanced takes and willingness to acknowledge pros and cons are greatly appreciated. Right now everything is either flaming, toxic positivity, or people talking about the game but unwilling to tackle anything outside of statements of neutral fact for fear of being lumped into one camp or the other. Take care of yourself first and foremost, but you're doing an excellent job and are a positive and valued voice here.
"Maybe I'm in the wrong business." You aren't! We desperately need more people like you to move the pendulum the other way from toxicity to kindness!!! Thank you for staying!!
The cat is probably tired of watching the same trash game too. It's blatantly obvious this game is awful and that the fanboys are doing anything and everything to cope and pretend like it's actually fun when they know damn well the game is a chore
I rarely comment, but I think you deserve praise for being constructive and neutral. People polarise because we’ve entered an era where if your not obnoxiously aggressive, you’re not heard and this fuels trolls. People are also frustrated with life (we won’t go into why, that’s a dissertation in itself) and this is one of the few ways they can make themselves feel better for a moment. Your approaching this the best way possible, creating a place where good well-balanced people congregate. Don’t stop what your doing. More will follow and you’ll be able to create a place where normal people like you and I can have balanced conversations.
Please comment more :) I feel the vast majority of us have opinions down the middle and aren't inflexible on shifting them slightly. However we are the minority of the comments and then not bumped up by the algorithm the same as a crazy emotional comment. Still, there's something wrong with me wasting my time putting comments into the ether, but over the years I've had a few conversations that have changed my view on things and that makes it all worth it. I do hope that sometimes my posts are seen as the sole voice of reason amongst a sea of insanity and of late I've seen a few more voices of reason. However we need more, we always need more :)
I don't even like D4 that much (although I have played it quite a bit), and I find the people criticizing the game to be insufferable. I stopped watching Asmongold's D4 videos after the infamous patch and the way he's shifted how he talks about the game.
@@SuperLotus Asmongold had many reasonable points. The game isn't that great, but I'm still having fun, the new coming patch should make it a lot better. The battlepass is trash, the end game is mostly not there. Some classes are better than others. Which point of Asmongold didn't you agree with? Why do you find people sharing their opinion of a game insufferable? I did not find him to have an extreme view, he liked some things and not others and he backed it all up with sound reasoning.
@therotten6152 I agree everything you said was right on the mark, except one thing. Yeah, it's been worse in the last 5 years for sure, but I've been noticing it getting worse for almost 30 years. In the early days of the internet if you wanted to search for an issue to a technical problem, you either had a bunch of experts giving advice or you had to solve the problem yourself because the answer wasn't on the internet. There was a barrier to entry. Then later the internet grew and you could find your answer but you had to sift through people asking silly questions, giving answers to different problems or saying well I don't have a problem so it's all fine. Then later still it got to the point where all you could find for obscure issues was the noise and it was back to solving things yourself. I correlate this to dial-up internet or broadband becoming more common and easier to use. Then the growth of Facebook and smart phones made this issue much worse. Over time it just steadily got worse. Yeah there were some spikes but I don't know if we can narrow it to a single cause, it was probably a bunch of factors. I wish I knew the solution to this problem. It's got to be normal majority views outweighing the extreme fringe views but I don't know how they'd do that, except by altering the algorithm in a socially healthy direction rather than a monetary direction. Still I wouldn't mind if all social media was gone tomorrow, leaving behind the more personal forms of communication where you could actually have real conversations.
This video is why we like you. You're a reasonable, real person. The world being the way it is is exactly why we need more people like you who are calm, reasonable, real people.
Genuinely refreshing to hear this, honestly. I think this all the time and it is so frustrating. Thanks for voicing it and know that you're not alone in this opinion and feeling this way.
Honestly.... society in general like this. You're fine, man- I hope you keep releasing videos like this- it's really nice to see someone just be down to earth in this day and age.
Dude, thanks for starting the conversation on this. I've been feeling this way for a while now. You mentioned you feel like you can't have normal conversations with anyone anymore, and I completely agree. It makes me sad when I raise a point of criticism and am called whiny, or entitled. Or when I sing praise am told that I'm a shill or a bot. It's genuinely crazy and has been pushing me away from social interaction tbh, but hearing that someone else is experiencing this too is helpful. How we can change it, I have no idea. But at least we're not entirely alone.
i feel you bro. everything you said is why i deleted my facebook and twitter. People are soo divided these days. it's really sad. i'm one of the lurkers you spoke of but i wanted to give some support today. just keep doing you. peace
I remember the early days of online games when we still had to pick up our copies of a game or expansion at the local store at midnight. Back then, I would go with my dad, who had just retired from the Navy and loved games as much as I did. Our favorite part of any release was meeting and talking to fellow fans and gamers who loved the same games we did. We would spot each other across the parking lot by our hats or shirts and even made new friendships that persisted for years from some of these events. Now, I won't even wear a game t-shirt in public for fear I might run into another gamer with a strong negative opinion about it. The last time it happened was in 2020 and I was wearing a graphic t-shirt with a deathclaw's face on it. A person I had never met launched into a tirade about Fallout 76 and was literally purple faced over it, and all I wanted to do was pick up a breakfast burrito. Like everything else, the worst people in gaming are probably 20-percent of the fans, but that 20-percent is unhinged and the other 80-percent is no longer worth the risk you might meet one of the bad apples. I doubt this is limited to gaming, either.
DEFINITELY agree about not wearing a shirt or something so as not to attract maniacal haters. I get people have strong opinions about the things they like, but nowadays it seems to be less about WHAT you like and more about HOW you like it.
The problem now with social media is everyone has the ability to express in some way an opinion, no matter how rude, ignorant or poorly informed. Like this comment
@@steveh87 The problem isn't being able to express an opinion, it's the fact that people think their opinion is the most based thing since sliced bread and their inability to critically think about anything beyond the end of their nose.
See it in other types of software as well. Users will roast the team on Twitter for features that aren't as robust as they want then come to the conference and be so kind and thankful in person. To others point social media is so polarizing.
This video actually made me realize how important you are to the gaming community. Not just D4. Your video describes exactly how I feel about the gaming community, and I've lost interest in engaging in gaming conversations the last couple of years. I really hope this video get's the room it deserves, and that a lot of streamers watch and react to it as well. Because it's needed to make a change in the community. Thanks DM for sharing your thoughts with us! I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way, myself included.
Absolutely true. I mean its the same when people compare every new game with the so praised "Elden Ring" (which I never cared about and also did not think that it was that groundbreaking). The issue with D4 is that it has so much potential, people waited 10+ years for a decent arpg from blizzard, but a lot of people are so frustrated that they just did the "bare minimum". I had my fun with D4 for sure and I'm fine with my money investment. But it is so terrifying when you watch the campfire and think: This is really your focus? You really give us a game that has less social features than D3, but think the shared world builds up a community? There are so many flaws in this game where you just think: Is there no one working for blizzard anymore with a passion for gaming? It looks like the whole team only is some professional developers that came from university but have absolutely no idea of gaming. All the talents went to smaller companies. And it is not just d4 currently... It's more a situation about AAA production... Overwatch 2 with the PVE Cancel... Ubisoft destroyed "The Setter"... Bioware went from a great rpg maker to Anthem and Mass Effect 4... CD Project Red with Cyberpunk (while it is a decent game now)... and then stuff like Baldurs Gate 3 or Elden Ring where AAA devs talk about this is an anomaly and all that shit just to defend that they are unable to make "games"... People are loosing trust in blizzard and AAA companies so hard... i think that is what people frustrate a lot - because they love these games or their previous games but it is like getting hit with a hammer more and more till some people explode... bet let's be honest: It is not only about gaming... this is 2023 society thanks to social media and all that shit mostly. We just had a better time in the 90s. I personally am frustrated of D4 because I really like that game but damn it is so hard to love it when you have the impression that the blizz devs never really cared about something you want to like and at least there is stuff like business decision like battle pass in it, but the game basis is broken af. Like he said the game is a 6-7/10 currently and I'm not mad about it. It is just so sad how obvious a lot of issues with the game are and they developed the whole concept of many systems only on the paper, but never really tested it. Like all the missing QOL, Lootfilter, sell items for gold, stash tabs etc. It all feels so that they just tried so hard to "create" a time waste instead of letting people have fun. All I wish was that i could kill 3-4 times the monsters in endgame with even half the loot or only loot at the end. I do not want to stop all 10 seconds for every yellow item i have to check if its an upgrade or not. And everyone who ever played a arpg should know that this is the fun of d3, last epoch or poe. There are so many games out there blizzard could have learned from. Instead they actually did the oposite: No balancing, 3/4 abilities are uselss, skilltrees are obvious, aspects are mandatory for builds, gear is exact the same on EVERY class and every item (DR, CDR, RES, RCD, Krit+VulnDmg+XDamage, Stat, Movementspeed, Kritchance), paragon is a joke (2-3 level only +5 attribute upgrades), some uniques and hearts are fine but still far too low on options... I mean it's 2023 and even D3 had so many stuff in it. D4 should at least have EVERYTHING good from D2/3 in it. I will look forward for D4 one day and it is not a bad game... but it also is just not a good ARPG. It's not an issue for the first hundred hours thats why im fine with my investment... but i think the big issue is that no one trust this dev team because of it. These are not minor issues... it is more a d3 release situation when the game only became better with ROS but no one cared about it after that... and the fear while it could be an amazing game that they keep beeing such a stiff company not trying creative stuff out like they do in PoE. I mean look at the 3.22 patch and all the content: THIS is a season. What we got could have been also on release - there was barely a reason why the season even started 2 months later. Just for 3 sockets? Congrats.
Silent viewer chiming in! I follow your channel for two reasons. The nuance you provide is very interesting, and your positivity is very entertaining. Seriously great combo! Regardless of which way the nuance is leaning on a particular day, you maintain this “it’s still just a game” attitude, which I love and find hilarious. As an optimistic anecdote, minecraft seems to have a pretty positive community, and I think you are a great source of nuanced positivity that I can find outside that minecraft bubble. If there’s so much flak from both sides of the fence, than maybe it’s a sign you’re trailblazing a channel that’s truly differentiated from the others. Take breaks and don’t burn out on me! Your opinion and attitude is too rare and valuable for us 90% silent ones. P.S. more kitty! what’s his/her name?
Ive never commented before, but as part of the silent majority this absolutely resonated. Additionally, im commenting to show my appreciation for two things. 1. Your decision to continue to put out reasonable, rational, wholesome and healthy content rather than the toxic and immature approach taken by most of the gaming community; and 2. Your decision to continue putting in the effort to produce content, rather than giving up (given the toxicity). Im new to the Diablo franchise and ARPG generally, but ive stayed because of you and the refreshing and reasonable way in which you approach things, rather than because its predominantly diablo at the moment. Keep going, even when the vocal minority make you feel like its all negative. The silent majority support you and that should be the focus to keep a healthy mindset.
you're not part of the problem, bud. i recently discovered your channel just after d4's launch. im very glad i found it too. your community has taught me a lot about the ins and outs of the game and im very thankful for it. i value your input and guides and im sorry youre feeling so burnt out. take some time and hit the reset button. keep doing what makes you happy and avoid the negativity.
I couldn't agree more. Just found him as well, and someone who seems to legitimately care, and who is willing to examine deeper issues is entirely too rare these days.
@@jotuthegamingguru8809 bro take a step back and ask yourself why you’re going out of your way to leave shitty comments on multiple channels. I know its youtube and this probability wont mean a thing to you and you’ll probably just flame me without taking a moment to critically think about your motivations for being unpleasant. The message from this video (did you even watch it?) was just earnestly expressing an opinion about wanting to cultivate an audience that can relax and be kind to each other. Do you feel personally slighted that someone’s channel makes money off of playing a game like Immortal? Do you feel that strongly about it that you have to take time out of your day to be negative? Im being sincere here not just trying to flame you. Take care of yourself bro. Being kind, even to people we don’t like or agree with, is a less stressful way to live.
This is one of my favorite videos that you've made imo. You are a great content creator because you aren't afraid to just be honest and real, and you are able to communicate in a very intelligent and succinct way
Honestly I miss the days when we played a game and if it was fun, we continued playing it. If it wasn't, we'd give it to a friend, trade it in, or let it collect dust. These days, people find ways to compare games, and be nothing but negative about it.
As I 40 year old casual gamer trying to balance life and trying to squeeze time out to game and wind down at the end of the day. I don’t have time or care about why gaming is so divisive nowadays. I am a lurker 99% of the time on social platforms but I know exactly how you feel and want to drop a comment. I enjoy your content because you are a well spoken person with reasonable mindset when it comes to gaming criticisms. It’s very rare in today’s media. I often feel like gamers feel entitled for whatever reason just because you dropped $70 on a game and if it didn’t live up to your expectations the world falls apart? If people feel that way the only thing I have to say is grow up. Doesn’t matter how young or old a gamer you are. You made the decision to buy a game, if it’s bad, learn your lesson and be a smart consumer. Last thing I want to say is keep doing what you’re doing. There are people like us who aren’t normally vocal in chats and comment section that agree with your take. Don’t let the negativity of others get to you. It may be hard but if you believe and walk that line, let people that disagree with you fade away, and you maintain the core audience that shared with your mindset and let foster that culture. It’s not always easy but it’s worth it if you believe in it.
If course you shoud feel entiteled that a 70 or 100 dollar game is good . Meaby its not alot of money for you but for most it is not everybody can just pay up 70+ dollar and then just drop it becouse the devs trashed it in the first 2 weeks and pay for aother 70+ dollar game not haveing any expactaions or care if its good or not . As soon as i spend any money i want a product that is good . If the game woud be free to play i woudnt care at all becouse i didnt pay anything for it in the first plays
I’m on the same level as you. I realized listening to negative energy on social media about games I enjoy are giving me heartburn. I just want to play and I have come to the conclusion just stop watching the toxic people pushing out content.
@@xythiera7255"good" is subjective, so no... Nobody can expect a game to be good unless they've played it. If you care about your money that much then watch reviews before buying so you know if you'll like it.
Games are meant to bring joy and happiness, when I’m not gaming your videos bring me the same satisfaction. Take a day for yourself man. We aren’t going anywhere
You've become one of my favorite streamers because of how wholesome your content and community is. You also make very informative and straight to the point videos that are also very positive. Keep doing you; we love you for it! 😁❤
This video earned my subscription. I feel like this problem worms it’s way into every aspect of our lives. God forbid we enjoy something without comparing it to something else. Especially video games.
This is exactly the point I’m at. I stopped watching so many RU-vidrs that I had watched for years because I’m a bit older now and realize all they do is complain about the game they’re playing. It honestly ruins those games for me as well. Your channel and some other select channels I’ve recently come across have felt like a breath of fresh air. While you might offer criticism to the games, you do so in a positive and constructive manner that gives me hope for a game even when it’s bad. Keep doing what you’re doing and hopefully the gaming community as a whole will come around
Man this is a comment from one of your "lurkers". I never comment on any videos, but this video really spoke out to me and I hope I speak out for all of my other fellow "lurkers". I think that most people watch you for your mature realistic opinion on video games. I couldn't tell you how many times I quit watching someone for there hyper over reaction of a game mechanic. So after a while I quit watching RU-vid on game reviews until I ran across your channel. You are a very nice guy don't let the hate get to you man, and remember every career has path has negative. Keep the positive vibes and let that be your calling card.
You bring up great points, and sadly I think this isn't even just a gaming issue; this is a society issue, specifically for the United States. Gone are the days when you could be moderate about literally anything and like certain things about a particular topic and not like other things about said topic. Now, you have to pick a side. And if you're not with them, you're against them. Regardless of side. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I do not think this is something new. I hope you guys realize there are enough people out there who do want to have a decent discussion. I know the negative people or trolls or whatever you want to call them are prevalent and hard to ignore. But that is what we should do. Ignore them. Some guy suggested here on social media we should get out more. But this was happening before the internet and social media too. People always had these strong opinions. It's either evil or good. Honest opinions are hard to find, but they do exist. DM is an example.
You’re not alone, man. Our society as a whole has slowly been conditioned by mass media to take a side on everything. Look at where we are and the mentality that we as a society has taken on. “If you’re not on my side, you’re a degenerate that I won’t acknowledge as a person.” I try to stay away from it, but it’s leaked into every aspect of our lives. You’re just having to deal with it more actively because it’s your job. I feel for you and hope that this doesn’t burn you out. Keep up the positivity in your community and hopefully it’ll flush out the detractors. 👍👍
The saddest part is, this isnt only about gaming but pretty much anything nowadays. Reasonable, ideally fact based discussions between people with different oppinions seems impossible. These days it too often people take their own oppinions as facts first. Thank you for this video.
Most people don't even actually feel this way. It's simply a loud minority beating everyone else into submission. Go talk to people in real life and you'll find this behavior evaporates. The people who behave like this get socially shunned...as they should because they are obnoxious
Dude I so empathize with your approach and explaining the weird division in the gaming community. I have the same frustrations. You make amazing videos with a meaningful thought process behind them, and that's what is missing for so many of these people. Thank you for doing what you do. 🙏🏻
Feel this. The reason I'm a sub and swing by the livestreams is because I think you're NOT part of the problem. I appreciate the way you call out the BS, of the games, and the community. We need more of this. Less echo chambers and yelling into the void, and more conversations and sharing opinions. Show them how it's done.
As someone who works in games, this furstrates me as well. This is spot on. There's now nuance in game commentary. I really appreciate your videos, DM. Thanks for being a rational voice in all of the noise.
i think its because people are so egoistic nowadays. i find it really weird for people to compare all the time. its like identity politics just with games. people pick a side and defend it or attack other games. i also noticed this weird talk about diablo 4 in the poe2 stream chat. streaming chats in general are so toxic nowadays.
@@nahbro3240I wouldn’t be so harsh tbh. People just have to understand, that gaming is no in his early 90s anymore. That’s a huge industry nowadays and everyone wants to make money. Especially because producing a videogame nowadays is so fucking expensive. They are doing those games not because they are your friends or really care about the player. But people defending games as they would be a family member or something.
@@AlwayzSkateboarding i think its because these people have mostly video games as their lives. its literally identity politics only for games. some people identify themselves over their gender, they get into huge arguments over genderpolitics, others become feminists or anti feminists. and nerds tend to identify themselves with games. its weird. its like the consol wars of the 90s only with games. games literally anyone can buy and play. and yet people make huge flamewars about games lol. like you cant play d4 AND poe2...thats impossible nowadays lol. its not only nerds who behave this way. i am sure a lot of normal gamers behave that way too because we are conditioned by identity politics everywhere, to behave that way.
You hit the nail on the head. Everything has got to be a competition nowadays, and a simple discussion is treated like a heated debate with everything on the line by some.
People desperate to find a war to fight, and seeing battlefields everywhere. Finding that outlet with products or entertainment is just far easier than what would be required to address real structural issues.
I'm very much part of the silent majority that you alluded to. I got Diablo 4 on the presale, blitzed through the story within a week, finished it at level 38. Started to grind levels for my capstone dungeon for WT3 for a few hours and got bored, haven't touched the game since then. I really enjoy your videos and personality that shines through, so I stick around and happily listen to your thoughts on the game that I have no interest in playing. When you mentioned the tribalism within gaming, it motivated me to leave a comment for once. I think the hyper reactionary stuff isn't a coincidence at all, it's just a symptom of how popular gaming has become. When you look at the most successful games, in terms of revenue at least, you'll notice that most demographics that are catered to are those in teenagers/early 20s. Call of Duty, GTA, NBA/Madden etc. These are your primary audience when you're talking about, or making content for, a mainstream triple A game. These teenagers that are playing these games for hours upon hours will make their hobby their absolute identity. They might not be excelling in school, they might not have a great social life or be particularly fit and healthy, but they do have games. Games is who they are. As social creatures with a need to fit in and be liked, it's super important for somebody who's entire personality and identity is 'This is the game I like' to be perceived as "correct". If someone else thinks that you like an awful game, well that calls into question everything about you as a person. You like shitty games because your values are wrong and messed up and you're not a 'real' gamer like the rest of us. This kind of tribalism heavily promotes the overly negative diatribe you hear, and a lot of content creators are to blame for that. You can look at any of the mainstream twitch streams with 10k+ regular viewers and you'll often hear the kind of 'This kid is so bad at the game / These devs are absolutely clueless / This game is trash' rhetoric that young minds will mindlessly parrot because the relatively famous figurehead said it and I want to be just like him/her. This negativity and vitriol unfortunately makes for the most clickthrough engagement, and that's not just limited to gaming, but in every facet of media. You'll never hear about a puppy being saved from a tree on the 6pm news, but you'll sure as hell be told about every stabbing, bombing, and murder that the 24 hour news cycle can churn out. Just look at /r/LiveStreamFail for a 2m+ strong community that lavishes the chance to laugh at somebody's misfortune. Unfortunately, if you want more of a nuanced take on anything to do with your hobby, gaming or otherwise, you've got to go niche. The less people are involved, the less chance that the idiots will flock to it. If you're consuming meta information about a triple A game, you'll never escape it.
I did the exact same thing. Beat the game in late 30s level, got to wt3 and stopped playing because I missed 40k darktide. I only watch DMs videos because he's a nice guy.
It’s been great to be your friend and see your evolution this last 4+ years. Great perspective as always and I completely agree with every word you said.
This video topic really resonates with me. Im at a point in my life that I live by the adage I love games but I really don't like gamers. I put on blinders now. Which is super disappointing because so many fanbases have polarized themselves into black and white trains of thought and mob mentality where like you said its reactionary and lacks nuance entirely. It's exhausting. I used to love to engage in communities, and now so many are garbage at large.
Internet ruined gaming it feels like lol. Grew up on halo and cod and Pokemon and stuff, and you didn't have anyone bitching about Shiny chances and shit like that
Everything you said here is basically what I've been thinking for quite some time now, its like we live in a age of comparison, non-constructive criticism and factless opinions. Also you are literally one of the best grounded and sincere youtubers, so keep on being you good sir
I feel you, my friend. This is a societal problem that we are faced with. It seems that we all have to agree 100% or we have an enemy before us. It’s very exhausting.
Hey, I’m one of those constant lurkers who tries to take a nuanced approach. I just don’t think engaging online in debates is productive (it wasn’t productive 15 years ago when I started diving into online communities and I stopped engaging at large then). You’re one of the creators I care to sub to because it’s not just a controversy channel, and you put out solid, engaging content. Keep up the great work, and if you don’t hear from me or my kind it’s because we have you on in the background while we’re enjoying playing a game ourselves. ❤
So, I went to school to be a game designer and swapped majors because of this exact feeling. Combined with I was realizing that some companies don't want to make good games, just quick cash grabs. Keep this up, and hopefully, more of the silent, balanced people will rally around you and help balance out this polarized world.
Dm the last part of this video was literally how i feel in my heart. You are by far my favorite streamer don't let people drag you down because miserable people loves making miserable company. When people know your name it comes with problems especially people that like to be left alone and do there thing
It's important for everyone to grasp the concept of constructive criticism - a space where diverse viewpoints are shared without offending fan sentiments. It's completely okay to have preferences and root for your favorite teams, but it's not okay to undermine others when they disagree with you. Gaming, after all, is a choice, not a compulsion - it's about having fun, spending time and momentarily escaping the hurdles of daily life. Thanks for your insightful videos and here's hoping the algorithms change in favor of promoting positivity in the future.
@archangelgabriel5316 Brand tribalism is something I've never been able to fully grasp or comprehend. I understand the concept, but besides a little brand loyalty, (in the sense of comfort with brands you've successfully engaged with that had a favorable outcome) I don't understand defending any big entity.
Your first video I ever saw was the one about a year ago, hard hitting emotional "I'm not fine" kind of video. It hit hard cause it pretty much nailed how I had been feeling. This hits the nail too. Few people seem to talk about a game without comparing it to another game. They want to hate you for playing said game they think is trash, even in a game like D4 where your character has zero impact on their character's experience in the game.
One of your tiktok videos popped up on my for you page a few weeks back. I liked that you articulated things about Diablo without completely dumping on it. You allow us to form our own opinion of it. I’m new to the Diablo series and admittedly, it’s a little intimidating of a game. I’m usually on FPS types. Your videos are always very informative and cut right to the chase. I decided to check out your twitch channel and I stayed a while. Your community was great and welcoming. They responded respectfully to my questions. You’re the kind of streamer I hope to be some day. Keep up the great work, DM!
Kitty had some great extra points to put in, hope she's brought back for more guest talking gigs :) PS - Great points I feel very very similarly in a lot of chats trying to be reasonable but the world seems to have gone the way of you have to either love or hate everything and we're losing the room for nuance.
Tribalism at it's best. It's no longer about sharing the enjoyment of gaming and asking for better games. It's about justifying to yourself and everybody else that you made/make the best decisions.
Yep. We can't celebrate for what it is, but for what it isn't. In this case, it feels like a lot of people want to celebrate PoE2 because it isn't D4, not because it's a sequel to a beloved game.
@@MrSirocko It is incredibly depressing. It's not even about games, i have a nephew who's almost 8 and i can see a huge difference between his behavior and mine when i was his age about 25 years ago. Truly sad how internet fucked people up. Glad i've missed that period and grew up in relatively normal times before the instagram/tiktok era.
As always, love this input DM. You aren't crazy, I personally feel aligned with this especially because gaming has been my "escape" my entire life and it seems now it becomes a debate when i'm just trying to vibe out. The worst is that it rubs off very easily and when you do have a bad day on a game it's easy to succumb to the problem. Thank you for sharing
The reason your Twitch chat is wholesome is because you are wholesome. If a streamer has a toxic troll chat its often because they reflect that attitude. DM, whether you know it or not, you are fighting for the highest cause, which is spreading goodness in a community who really needs it.
I hear you 100%. The gaming community at large is exhausting. Now avoiding Reddit and just stick to talking with people I know-- who are able to have those real conversations. Love your work and perspective on the matter! Even if folks don't comment every time, know that it's appreciated
You hit the nail on the head, not just in the gaming space. Across the board extreme polarization setts in. In essence, a part of humanness is dying off, the one that was embodied by empathy, compassion, tolerance and respect.
Your community is what you cultivate. I've seen it a hundred times, the more wholesome/toxic you are the more wholesome/toxic community you cultivate. Keep up the wholesome attitude, there's a market for wholesome content out there in every community. Thanks for being that guy DM
This feels like when your class finally pissed off that really genuine and caring teacher. And that is part of the reason the nice comments are still coming in, it is easy to see the genuine effort you put in to being fair and positive about life in general and, I for one, just really want to see you succeed and be happy for that reason alone. And for me, on top of that, there is the perfection in balance of factual vs entertainment in your videos. Thanks for sharing your time, your vibes and your passion.
Hey man, I feel you. I am the Quiet Lurker, in your Lives near every day because of your Positivity. I am Sorry to hear us Quiet ones not showing how much we appreciate your Mature attitude is being lost in translation. DON'T let this Current situation make you crazy, YOU ARE GOOD at what you do, your are NOT in the wrong business you give me Hope for the Social media world we live in. Keep streaming I (we) will keep watching, and I personally will Try and pipe up more when im around. Peace!
Man this video is a perfect example of why i have become such a fan of you and your content. Your fair, rational, and wholly positive outlook on these games and topics are an extremely welcome reprieve from the exact type of people you also spoke about in this video. People dont seem to want to build anything up anymore just tear down, and so long as you continue to create this type of content i truly believe you and your community will flourish. You deserve all the love you get from your audience because its the same energy you put out. Thank you DM.
I completely agree with you man and I feel the same way. It's near impossible to talk about things in a civilized manner, be it games or just about anything where there are different opinions floating around. It's an all or nothing battleground out there and I'm so tired of it. Great video and thank you for sharing your thoughts and stay strong.
Thank you bro, you are whats good on the gaming world. Maybe more people actually can hear you and stop acting like this was a battle royale to the death
You’re referring to more of a societal issue. It’s a broader issue that’s been taking place for years. It’s the moral decay of our society. Specific to gaming, especially when people are hiding behind the guise of anonymity, there is no such thing as “consequence”. When there are no consequences for their actions, in this case words spoken, then of course there will be no civil discussion. You will never have civil discussion via Internet, or any type of medium like this due to people being anonymous. The only way to make it semi civil is to bring consequence back into the picture.
I really appreciate the level-headedness with which you approach D4 and other games. Thanks for being vocal and calling out the negativity for what it is!
Do what you love man. You clearly have a talent for this. My favorite moments in gaming revolve around memories made and meeting new people who stay in your life. The games created an opportunity to connect with others as we all tried to interact with the game and each other. I’ve enjoyed watching your content and I do hope you continue to be successful.
I love your cat comming on the show! 🥰 I have played videogames since 1978 (Pong) and the main problem nowadays is that the attensionspan of the playerbase today is so short that no game has a chance to succeed. If players dont get new content every week they loose interest. Another problem is the gameindustry. The short term greed is destroying most games. All focus is on the psychology of the playerbase and keeping us online, not on having fun!
Oddly enough, I was driving when I listened to this, and laughed when you said: you just watch because your driving and its a podcast. I am one of your silent majority that don't interact, because I come here for news and analysis. I don't really need to partake in it any further. You are right in that there is a very vocal minority; always is. But if you want a detailed nuanced brakedown, here it is. I have played Diablo since D1; I particularly enjoyed D3. I am enjoying D4 a lot less than I would like, and I will unlikely play much beyond the 1st season, unless I see major change. I will likely go back to V Rising, and keep playing WoW; looking forward to Ashes of Creation in a few years. Things I love: the story (truly fantastic), the voice acting, the immersivness of the world, the general feel of the classes (for an ARPG), the communication of the Devs, the art style, the incredibly gorgeous landscapes (especially the moments where the camera pans back and up to show something amazing), about 85% of the main story line, the main cities that feel unique, the zones, the paragon board system as a whole, the NPCs, the continuation of the story thats been told over a 20 year period of time, and many more things - I think are done really well. So much of this game is really great. Things I’d like to see improved: lag when transitioning to practically anything, inventory management time sink, party members portaling directly to other members instead of just major cities, everything about the mounts (collision, lag, jump point interactions, and especially removing the remount counter), general performance, notifications of world events with timers, resistances, being able to use a portal while mounted, the camera standard zoom perspective (needs to be pulled out further) and so many more things. Things I’d like added: group finder, stash search functionality, load outs, better looking cosmetics (in game and in store) Things I’d like removed: respec costs, off screen one-shots: cross bows, triple lightning pillars, charging boars (and the bloated corpse guys too) - one shot mechanics from non-boss, non-telegraphed content is really unfun. Final thoughts; I spent $100 for the premium version of this game, and I'm the type of gamer that would spend on their store cosmetics too, but I won't be paying $28 for a cosmetic set. I would definitely pay 5, and maybe even 10 - but they have lost my normal store purchasing business already. As stated before, unless major changes happen, I'm unlikely to play much beyond the first season - which is a sad statement for me to make, given how much D3 I played. I'd almost rather just play D3 actually - maybe this just isn't my game. I hear you on the sentiment of the opinions from some very vocal people being entrenched in absolutes. There has been a marked increase in the amount of people standing around decreeing that a game is "total dogshit" for a few things that aren't perfect out of the gate. I would agree that this game is currently a 6/10 or 7/10 at best. Some really good stuff, and some really awful stuff. (loading other player stashes? c'mon guys!) I find it sad that people feel the need to say a game is dead with out any empirical evidence. The game will be "dead" when Blizzard shuts off the servers, and not a minute before. Overly embellishing one's own personal beliefs (that are unfounded) is some kind of attention seeking, and I truly feel sorry for the people who feel the need to engage the world in that manner. To that point, I would encourage you (DM) to just ignore them. If their attitudes don't bring you anything of substance or value, then let them scream at the dark all they want, and keep doing your thing.
Thanks for this. It's not just gaming, it's at any hobby that gives people any sort of emotion, be it either positive or negative. We need more people like you that push back at all the polarized comments.
Great video. As we grow older we realize energy is heavily wasted on negativity and we attract what we put out. There will always be those who can’t see the light in things. Ty for your content and your growth in progression. Keep up the good work.
Yo! you're doing great and thank you for being so damn authentic. The ones who complain in polarized ways haven't matured as gamers/people yet, so just let them live their lives. You do you and keep on attracting the nice community that you've built here.
I love the self awareness and the overall understanding of the horrible state of the gaming community and above all else MOST gaming journalists and theor outlets
I feel you on this. During the first week I posted my thoughts on the D4 subreddit, and because I was critical of the game, I received multiple death threats via DMs. People take this shit WAY too seriously.
I posted I was t doing world bosses anymore and was instantly grilled I was under leveled and under geared when I mentioned NONE of those things. And was only talking about how unsatisfying it was to fail a boss.... The community is toxic AF.
Wow. You both have had INSANELY different experiences there than I did. I left the sub cause of the crazy ass hate train they have for the game and anyone like me who likes it. Got tired of being shit on. Weird. Hate you guys had that though. There's reasonable discourse, and then there's being an ass who can't handle someone having different opinions.
Hey man, your Contant is always awesome and you all you have built a fantastic community. Don’t let the loud 5% of people who can seem like they’re the majority ruin the entire experience and what you’re doing you have to remember us chill people stay quiet and just are relaxed, whereas the hectic 5% are loud and they seem like they’re the majority.
so true dude. Negativity is everywhere but how we handle it is what will make or break a community. As long as we keep being positive those people will catch on and start to mature a little and realize "wow you play games to simply have fun"?. It's like yea dude that's kinda the whole point. Just need to ignore the hate and spread positivity. Hate is contagious in of itself, we don't need to help it lol.
@@slavplaysgames You need to grow up and quit having an issue with games people OTHER THAN YOU play. That's the problem, You upset at a game FINE DON'T PLAY IT, But leave people who are enjoying it alone! people throwing fits because people are different than them, and like different things than them should be rare not flipping standard!
@@Mystical_Goddess well people should just admit they got scammed because they are consumers and have no brain of their own to think but they won't they just try to justify the game being good and coping by saying "give it a few months" and because of these brainwashed people these corporations are getting worse and worse with the dlc's and buggy unfinished crap ... WHY FINISH A GAME AND SPEND EXTRA RESOURCES WHEN YOU CAN JUST RELEASE UNFINISHED CRAP TO THE AVERAGE TIK TOK SCROLLER AND SHORTS VIEWER WHO WILL CONSUME ANY GARBAGE YOU THROW AT THEM .enjoy living a passive delusional life avoiding reality and facts
@@Mystical_Goddess also i can't take any adult female calling herself a godess seriously when you have to rely on man on literally every aspect of your life xD from plumbing and electricity to roads and most probably your income ah yes and your food it's all from man ...
Wow definitely earned my subscription. This is so well said. DM please keep promoting these ideas and opinions. These are games and I honestly don't even know how some people always trying to find everything negative about them. Well done DM. I appreciate this video a lot.
I literally drive for a living and I bring up your videos while driving to listen to it cause it keeps me awake and my brain engaged. Thank you for doing what you do partner.
I’ve felt like this for a long time and I think a lot people who have have separated themselves from from having these discussions and kept participating socially in these communities to a bare minimum. I’m sure it’s sucks a content creator because the people left now interacting the most seem (often) to be some of the most volatile
Yeah the fact that another ARPG will exist in the same space is just good for business for both games. Competition is always good for similar games. I wish a lot more games had direct competition. For example if Pokémon games or NBA2k had direct competition I guarantee those games will be a lot better than rehashed yearly nonsense. Also I feel what you feel with the cat lol. My cat has been meowing nonstop since we put him on a diet. Stay positive DM, we here for you and try and block out the negativity.
I subbed a few weeks back because you’re literally the only honest and rational content creator. I can relate to what you have to say. So thanks for that. Keep up the good work.
You’re not in the wrong business, you’re really good at making succinct, clear, and helpful videos and an entertaining streamer. You just gotta block out the toxic, negative, and useless people. Negativity breeds negativity so don’t pay them any attention - don’t think about them, if you have to read something they say, just laugh, and then especially don’t talk about them cus that just hypes them up even more. I totally understand you wanting to make this video to vent and all - your real fans are here to support you but I think the best thing to do moving forward is to just completely ignore negative people and their comments and only associate with positive people. People who can hold these civil discussions and respectfully argue (what arguing used to be and should be… not the political mindless brainwashed bickering it is today - might as well talk to a wall) opinions over games without belittling the other’s character/intelligence. It’s ok to disagree and often exciting - opportunities to gain or at least understand different perspectives. Head up man and come back tomorrow refreshed.
Hey man, I appreciate this and all your viewpoints. You are a person of calm during a series of crazy reactionary chaos. Take your break, but please return.
I imagine doing this type of work is a lot like being in any service industry. You're gonna have to take the good with the bad. You can't mute all the hate but you can chose to not let it get to you. Just know that if you're feeling downed or bummed out it is totally cool to take a little break. You seem like a genuine and good dude and find solace in knowing you're a beacon of positivity.
I agree with this sentiment. I'll add too that I believe he is in the right business, and a lot of others who feed off the negativity are in the wrong business ❤
This is not a service industry job. It's an entertainment job. Service jobs have consequences. Bad food prep, bad repair job, and in the Healthcare aspect if you make mistakes people can be hurt. DM is an entertainer, a very good one. However is if he decides not to work a day or week, no one else suffers. No other employee has to pick up his work. There's a huge difference between service and entertainment.
Not really, keep in mind that people irl not on the internet when they think are anonymous, normally they will just sit in the corner quietly and on the internet they are imaginery giga chads.
Hey man! I recently started a new job and I felt pretty lonely, until some of the guys asked me about gaming! I’m now making friends over games we all think are bad but still have fun playing. This restored my faith in humanity
